Re: Practical web-site-specific traffic analyses

2010-08-01 Thread Steven J. Murdoch
On Fri, Jul 30, 2010 at 12:32:43PM -0700, Seth David Schoen wrote: The simplest threat scenario for Tor users would be when an attacker in a position to observe a particular user's traffic, but not any exit node traffic, hypothesizes that the user is likely to visit a particular site and

Re: Practical web-site-specific traffic analyses

2010-08-01 Thread Seth David Schoen
Steven J. Murdoch writes: Yes, this has been a known risk with all currently deployed low-latency anonymity systems. One recent paper which looked at the problem was discussed here: Thanks for these references. -- Seth Schoen Senior Staff Technologist sch...@eff.org

Re: Padding again Was: Practical web-site-specific traffic analyses

2010-08-01 Thread coderman
On Sun, Aug 1, 2010 at 8:02 PM, Gregory Maxwell gmaxw...@gmail.com wrote: ... The overhead of padding schemes that I've seen, either end to end type, or hop-based for free routed networks as presented above, are simply too large to be practical. perhaps DLP with SFQ and datagram transport.

Re: Padding again Was: Practical web-site-specific traffic analyses

2010-08-01 Thread Robert Ransom
On Sun, 1 Aug 2010 23:02:53 -0400 Gregory Maxwell gmaxw...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Aug 1, 2010 at 9:07 PM, Steven J. Murdoch tortalk+steven.murd...@cl.cam.ac.uk wrote: [snip] To fix this attack, systems can add dummy traffic (padding), delay packets, and/or drop packets. Tor adds a bit of

Re: Practical web-site-specific traffic analyses

2010-07-31 Thread coderman
On Fri, Jul 30, 2010 at 12:32 PM, Seth David Schoen sch...@eff.org wrote: ... The researchers suggest that web application developers should use padding to make different activities on their sites less distinguishable.  That sounds pretty optimistic to me.  I've heard other privacy

Practical web-site-specific traffic analyses

2010-07-30 Thread Seth David Schoen
While trying to find more information about the Hansen and Sokol talk at BlackHat, I found that Hansen had recommended this recent paper http://www.informatics.indiana.edu/xw7/WebAppSideChannel-final.pdf which describes practical traffic analysis of particular sites that use HTTPS (just by