Re: Some sites recognize TOR

2010-05-24 Thread andrew
On Fri, May 21, 2010 at 03:01:36PM +0530, fromwindowstoli...@gmail.com wrote 
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: I have encountered this on several sites,
: some upon registration or sometimes in google search that the site would
: recognize that I am using proxy and would ask me to do otherwise.

In Google's case, it's unlikely they care enough about Tor to use any of
our exit/dnsel lists.  They simply use their metrics of number of
queries per IP address and treat it accordingly.  I as understand, it is
an automated system that once you trip some threshold, you see captchas.  

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Some sites recognize TOR

2010-05-21 Thread emigrant
I have encountered this on several sites,
some upon registration or sometimes in google search that the site would
recognize that I am using proxy and would ask me to do otherwise.

How do they find this out?

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Re: Some sites recognize TOR

2010-05-21 Thread Marco Bonetti
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emigrant wrote:
 How do they find this out?
probably using this: https://www.torproject.org/tordnsel/

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Re: Some sites recognize TOR

2010-05-21 Thread Jerzy Łogiewa
Wow! And how can this be fixed? Ultimately this makes blocking Tor a lot 
easier!

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On May 21, 2010, at 9:08 AM, Karsten N. wrote:

 or fetching the exit node list from a tor status site like:
 
 https://torstatus.kgprog.com/ip_list_exit.php/Tor_ip_list_EXIT.csv
 
 or fetching it from check.torproject.org
 
 https://check.torproject.org/cgi-bin/TorBulkExitList.py?ip=xx.xx.xx.xx


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Re: Some sites recognize TOR

2010-05-21 Thread Damian Johnson
This is not something to be 'fixed', see:
https://trac.torproject.org/projects/tor/wiki/TheOnionRouter/TorFAQ

and search for You should hide the list of Tor relays, so people can't
block the exits. (sorry about the lack of an anchor, guess it was lost in
the move to trac). Cheers! -Damian

On Fri, May 21, 2010 at 8:37 AM, Jerzy Łogiewa jerz...@interia.eu wrote:

 Wow! And how can this be fixed? Ultimately this makes blocking Tor a lot
 easier!

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 On May 21, 2010, at 9:08 AM, Karsten N. wrote:

  or fetching the exit node list from a tor status site like:
 
  https://torstatus.kgprog.com/ip_list_exit.php/Tor_ip_list_EXIT.csv
 
  or fetching it from check.torproject.org
 
  https://check.torproject.org/cgi-bin/TorBulkExitList.py?ip=xx.xx.xx.xx


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Re: Some sites recognize TOR

2010-05-21 Thread Damian Johnson
Doh! My stupidity, sorry. Here's the anchored link:
https://trac.torproject.org/projects/tor/wiki/TheOnionRouter/TorFAQ#YoushouldhidethelistofTorrelayssopeoplecantblocktheexits
.

-Damian

On Fri, May 21, 2010 at 9:20 AM, Damian Johnson atag...@gmail.com wrote:

 This is not something to be 'fixed', see:
 https://trac.torproject.org/projects/tor/wiki/TheOnionRouter/TorFAQ

 and search for You should hide the list of Tor relays, so people can't
 block the exits. (sorry about the lack of an anchor, guess it was lost in
 the move to trac). Cheers! -Damian


 On Fri, May 21, 2010 at 8:37 AM, Jerzy Łogiewa jerz...@interia.eu wrote:

 Wow! And how can this be fixed? Ultimately this makes blocking Tor a lot
 easier!

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 On May 21, 2010, at 9:08 AM, Karsten N. wrote:

  or fetching the exit node list from a tor status site like:
 
  https://torstatus.kgprog.com/ip_list_exit.php/Tor_ip_list_EXIT.csv
 
  or fetching it from check.torproject.org
 
  https://check.torproject.org/cgi-bin/TorBulkExitList.py?ip=xx.xx.xx.xx


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Re: Some sites recognize TOR

2010-05-21 Thread Drake Wilson
Quoth Jerzy Łogiewa jerz...@interia.eu, on 2010-05-21 11:37:58 -0400:
 Wow! And how can this be fixed? Ultimately this makes blocking Tor a lot 
 easier!

Argh.

https://trac.torproject.org/projects/tor/wiki/TheOnionRouter/TorFAQ#YoushouldhidethelistofTorrelayssopeoplecantblocktheexits.

   --- Drake Wilson
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Re: Some sites recognize TOR

2010-05-21 Thread kuhkatz

Am 21.05.2010 17:37, schrieb Jerzy Łogiewa:

Wow! And how can this be fixed? Ultimately this makes blocking Tor a lot 
easier!


i made some good experiences by using
 me - tor - ordinary webproxy - target site
on sites which try to block tor users.
of course you would want to use a webproxy which does not send
X-FORWARDED-FOR etc headers.
also, be sure to not do such things for submitting very important data
in plaintext (like, without https) because the proxy might log you.

but as others noted, doing such things is not exactly what the fine
people which made tor hat in mind, and if a website is blocking tor
for what reason ever, you should consider not using it at all.
most if not all content on the web is accessible via various sites,
no need for ones blocking proxies.



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On May 21, 2010, at 9:08 AM, Karsten N. wrote:


or fetching the exit node list from a tor status site like:

https://torstatus.kgprog.com/ip_list_exit.php/Tor_ip_list_EXIT.csv

or fetching it from check.torproject.org

https://check.torproject.org/cgi-bin/TorBulkExitList.py?ip=xx.xx.xx.xx



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