Re: Answer by perfect-privacy.com Re: perfect-privacy.com, Family specifications, etc.

2010-05-20 Thread Sebastian Hahn
All that would do would be to say to all clients, Don't include this node in the same circuit as any of the blutmagie nodes. How would that be an attack? I can list all the nodes I don't control... *** To unsubscribe,

Re: Answer by perfect-privacy.com Re: perfect-privacy.com, Family specifications, etc.

2010-05-20 Thread Scott Bennett
On Thu, 20 May 2010 08:23:34 +0200 (CEST) Sebastian Hahn m...@sebastianhahn.net wrote: All that would do would be to say to all clients, Don't include this node in the same circuit as any of the blutmagie nodes. How would that be an attack? I can list all the nodes I don't

Re: Answer by perfect-privacy.com Re: perfect-privacy.com, Family specifications, etc.

2010-05-20 Thread Jim
Roger Dingledine wrote: On Mon, May 17, 2010 at 09:44:21PM +0200, Moritz Bartl wrote: Original Message Subject: Re: - Medium - Tor servers, Tor community wants to disable your nodes - General Date: Mon, 17 May 2010 13:46:04 +0200 From: Perfect Privacy Administration

Re: Answer by perfect-privacy.com Re: perfect-privacy.com, Family specifications, etc.

2010-05-20 Thread Moritz Bartl
On 20.05.2010 06:25, Roger Dingledine wrote: The trouble here is that if we make family declarations one-sided, then I can tell everybody that I'm in blutmagie's family (and X's family and Y's family and Z's family and ...), and suddenly I'm influencing the path selection of other clients in a

Re: Answer by perfect-privacy.com Re: perfect-privacy.com, Family specifications, etc.

2010-05-20 Thread Oguz
On 5/20/10, Moritz Bartl t...@wiredwings.com wrote: On 20.05.2010 06:25, Roger Dingledine wrote: The trouble here is that if we make family declarations one-sided, then I can tell everybody that I'm in blutmagie's family (and X's family and Y's family and Z's family and ...), and suddenly I'm

Re: Answer by perfect-privacy.com Re: perfect-privacy.com, Family specifications, etc.

2010-05-20 Thread Flamsmark
Though I appreciate Jim's signature proposal, that could become difficult and convoluted to implement quite quickly. I think that perfectprivacy's initial suggestion was actually quite compelling: allow ``#include'' type statements to be used in a torrc. Currently, an operator of multiple relays

Re: Answer by perfect-privacy.com Re: perfect-privacy.com, Family specifications, etc.

2010-05-20 Thread Damian Johnson
The trick is that both parties need to list each other as family for this to work. As per the man page.. When two servers both declare that they are in the same 'family'... The attacker would need to be listed in every other relay's torrc for the attack you described to work. I'm pretty sure

Re: Answer by perfect-privacy.com Re: perfect-privacy.com, Family specifications, etc.

2010-05-20 Thread Damian Johnson
Oops, apologies - didn't realize this had already been answered. (a pox upon thread forking...) On Thu, May 20, 2010 at 7:03 AM, Damian Johnson atag...@gmail.com wrote: The trick is that both parties need to list each other as family for this to work. As per the man page.. When two servers

Re: Answer by perfect-privacy.com Re: perfect-privacy.com, Family specifications, etc.

2010-05-20 Thread xiando
[snip] The trouble here is that if we make family declarations one-sided, then I can tell everybody that I'm in blutmagie's family (and X's family and Y's family and Z's family and ...), and suddenly I'm influencing the path selection of other clients in a way I shouldn't be able to. We

Re: Answer by perfect-privacy.com Re: perfect-privacy.com, Family specifications, etc.

2010-05-20 Thread Scott Bennett
On Thu, 20 May 2010 12:31:17 +0200 Moritz Bartl t...@wiredwings.com wrote: On 20.05.2010 06:25, Roger Dingledine wrote: The trouble here is that if we make family declarations one-sided, then I can tell everybody that I'm in blutmagie's family (and X's family and Y's family and Z's family

Re: Answer by perfect-privacy.com Re: perfect-privacy.com, Family specifications, etc.

2010-05-19 Thread Robert Marquardt
In the meantime, perfect-privacy.com should advise this list as soon as its torrc files are in compliance, while the rest of us should feel free to use the NodeFamily information I posted earlier with, apparently, the addition of 17 more node fingerprints that I missed when I grepped the

Re: Answer by perfect-privacy.com Re: perfect-privacy.com, Family specifications, etc.

2010-05-19 Thread Roger Dingledine
On Mon, May 17, 2010 at 09:44:21PM +0200, Moritz Bartl wrote: Original Message Subject: Re: - Medium - Tor servers, Tor community wants to disable your nodes - General Date: Mon, 17 May 2010 13:46:04 +0200 From: Perfect Privacy Administration ad...@perfect-privacy.com

Re: Answer by perfect-privacy.com Re: perfect-privacy.com, Family specifications, etc.

2010-05-19 Thread Scott Bennett
On Thu, 20 May 2010 00:25:33 -0400 Roger Dingledine a...@mit.edu wrote: On Mon, May 17, 2010 at 09:44:21PM +0200, Moritz Bartl wrote: Original Message Subject: Re: - Medium - Tor servers, Tor community wants to disable your nodes - General Date: Mon, 17 May 2010 13:46:04

Answer by perfect-privacy.com Re: perfect-privacy.com, Family specifications, etc.

2010-05-17 Thread Moritz Bartl
Hi, What I did was just file a report at the company's website. It took them only minutes to get back to me. Scott, I don't know why, but you probably didn't get their response in the first place. Original Message Subject: Re: - Medium - Tor servers, Tor community wants to