Hi Daniel,
Thank you so much for solving part of the mystery. This is the best explanation I've
got yet. I think you may be right. Our avg. row len. is more than 5K and our database
is 8k block. I can't believe that the 1G is spread EVERY single 4G block. So how does
Oracle determine which 5
Yes, doing this all the time, all in a Dos window,
Use 'find' to search through your log files, extracting the lines you want
to another file, which you can mail to yourself. eg:
find /N ORA-1 G:\dos_work\work.log G:\dos_work\pk_violate.txt
I use a simple dos mail utility called Postie
Maybe if u can contact me directly I can help.
I doing it directly from the database without Enterprise manager.
Regards
PG
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[mailto:Murali_Pavuloori/[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Enviada: quinta-feira, 2 de Outubro de 2003 23:15
Para:
Title: RE: Seems odd to me(bug?)
something other than a table?
Synonym that the inserter only has select on?
see what you can find in all_objects or all_tables
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Sent: 10/2/2003 5:39 PM
Subject:
Craig,
Thanx for your tool.
Right now,let us (developers) use it
with Jboss and let u know if there is
any issue.
Thanx a lt for your support.
Regards,
Jp.
02-10-2003 21:41:15, Craig Munday [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Jp,
I've forwarded you a separate email with the tool included as an
Thanks
Do you feel you learned anything from this exam?
My initial answer was : If there is one thing that I have learnt from this
exam , its that studying for an exam is different from studying. This
principle doesn't seem to apply so much to backup and recovery ,
adminstration fundamentals
Hi Jared
Interesting article that is quite current. I have just started to use
ultraedit on windows very recently after using textpad for years for
development. I use vi of course on unix.
I moved to Ultraedit mainly for the reason it allows macros to be
edited, this is the one failing with
Interesting to see the reference to Ultraedit. Been my regular editor for
many years now. Macros are particularly useful, but also the ability to
column edit. Often used it in association with spooled output, macro
manipulation, then subsequent data input (in migration work, for example).
peter
I use Postie with Perl also. Perl does the log file searches for error and
uses postie to send mail.
Tom Mercadante
Oracle Certified Professional
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Sent: Friday, October 03, 2003 5:14 AM
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
Yes, doing this all the time, all in a
Hi All,
Today I saw an archived thread on orafaq about striped volumes in an EMC
Symmetrix. Gaja mentioned that writing to a striped volume is performed in a
sequential fashion i.e. spindle B will not start writing block 2 before
spindle A has completed writing block 1.
Is this still true for
Hi Tim,
Good questions.
As you mention, the memory Oracle says and thinks it's released and what
it actually releases to the kernel has generally been two different
things. However, the behaviour with P_A_T is somewhat different. A simple
little test for the unconvinced is to simply issue
As far as I know, with all current releases of Oracle,
determinism is purely for function based indexes. The
deterministic keyword indicates that the function
values when you created the index are still preserved
when you query it.
Thus the first execution was during index creation,
and the
i got my copy too from bookpool.
.need to start reading it.
happy weekend (with cary's book in hand) everybody.
Jp.
30-9-2003 22:54:27, Stephane Paquette [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I've also picked up my copy yesterday but ...I'm assuming everyone else has
theirs by now and
are busily
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Hi Hans,
Absolutely not true, and has not been true for a long time. Writes to an
EMC never go directly to disk anyway, and when they do go to disk is purely
determined by the microcode algorithms, and will often have nothing to do
with stripe layout at all.
Thanks,
Matt
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You guys should look harder ;-)
If you go to technet download area there is a developer release for
Oracle for the Mac. After you select it you need to take a survey to get
to the download area. There you will find the client software for Mac
OSX. It's not an easy install but it works. It
Ran into somthing like this when MS Access (Old Microsoft ODBC drivers) was
used to create or copy a table from access to Oracle. It created a table
with lower case letters. The table existed but when SQLPlus is used all SQL
is converted to upper case. I don't know if this is your case but it
Use blat
http://www.interlog.com/~tcharron/blat.html
using blat is as simple as copying the exe to the windows system folder
install as
blat -install yourmailserver [EMAIL PROTECTED] 5 25
then call as shown below
here is an example of blat used in a script
Chris, normally you should get only the table or view does not exist,
but you are also getting ora-0604 which leads me to the conclusion that
there's more to it them meets the eye. Also, the recursive SQL level 1
is confusing. My suggestion would be to catch the offending SQL, on the system
Hi Dennis,
There's no need to apologise.
I don't blame you for trying to get the OCP in manner that's reduces risk
and improves one's chance of success. The path of least resistance is one
that is followed by human nature and if I were in your shoes and had your
pressures I would do exactly the
Sorry Matt,
Just checked with EMC netherlands, unfortunately, I'm right.
About the cache: a shared cache is easily flooded with large io's.
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Hi Hans,
Absolutely not true,
Hi Faan,
I really do sympathise with folks that are kinda dragged into this whole OCP
debacle by people who have obsoletely no understanding of how it's
implemented and administered (HR heavies, higher management, recruitment
agencies, outsourcing and system integrating organisations, etc.). And
This could be true on the request level. But it will not stop it from
pipelining other requests on the spindle level, so that when spindle A is
done for request 1 it works on request 2. This increases the overall
throughput of the system.
Then using Async IO should help here.
I'm talking about
One of the optimizations behind the DETERMINISTIC keyword is that Oracle
caches previously computed values. If you pass the same values into the
function twice, the function body will execute at least once and at most
twice. You can NOT count on the function body being executed for each call.
I'm in the process of doing the same thing. You can go to
http://www.cmve.net/~merijn for a compiled version of Perl 5.8.1 that is
prepared from DBI and DBD::Oracle. That will save you from compiling it
yourself. My understanding is that you will still need gcc (or the HP ansi
compiler) to compile
If you want an SMTP enabled mailer, similar to mailx, just send me a note, privately.
Your absolutely welcome to it.
Dick Goulet
Senior Oracle DBA
Oracle Certified 8i DBA
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Sent: Friday, October 03, 2003 5:14 AM
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Yes, doing
I enjoy immensely reading Cary's book, but I have some questions that
I want to ask publicly. Recently, I made a comment about Chris Lawson's
book being a Dale Carnegie book for a DBA and now I see that Cary is
also advising feeding the hungry business users (buy him a sandwich).
It is true that
Leng,
I am going to have to defer to others on the freelist algorithm. I have not done any
examination/testing and don't want to make assertions that would cause more problems.
Daniel
Kaing, Leng wrote:
Hi Daniel,
Thank you so much for solving part of the mystery. This is the best
A...I wasn't sure about the ANSI C requirement. And I see on the HP box
that I've installed DBI on that gcc is installed. :)
One other note: if you do use gcc, I've had a truckload of problems with
v3.3.x (mostly on Linux) -- stick with v3.2.x.
Rich
Rich Jesse
Hi Tim,
Good questions.
As you mention, the memory Oracle says and thinks it's released and what
it actually releases to the kernel has generally been two different
things. However, the behaviour with P_A_T is somewhat different. A simple
little test for the unconvinced is to simply issue (this
What am I doing wrong here?
SQL alter system set events '942
trace name errorstack forever, level 10'
2 ;
System altered.
SQL insert into sbc_global.employee_role
values ('d','dd',8);
insert into sbc_global.employee_role
values ('d','dd',8)
*
ERROR at line 1:
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Is this documented anywhere?
SQL drop sequence test_seq;
Sequence dropped.
SQL
SQL create sequence test_seq;
Sequence created.
SQL
SQL select test_seq.nextval
2 from dual;
NEXTVAL
--
1
SQL
SQL select test_seq.nextval
2 from dual
3 order by dummy;
select
I personally feel that its managements call to make these kinds of decisions. If they
are bad decisions its both their fault and their problem. If this forces you to work
an incredible amount of hours, quit and go somewhere else. Hard to say that in a slow
economy though.
To be fair, I feel
Are you connecting through a dedicated server connection?
On Fri, 2003-10-03 at 11:29, Chris Stephens wrote:
What am I doing wrong here?
SQL alter system set events '942 trace name errorstack forever,
level 10'
2 ;
System altered.
SQL insert into
We has problems with another undocumented parameter that changed when we
migrated to 9i in August last year. _B_TREE_BITMAP_PLANS change from false
to true and caused a number of issues with sub-optimal execution plans.
Another possible trap for the unwary ...
Cheers
Richard
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Hi Peter
It does seem to be a very good editor from what I have read about it and
seen from my use so far, as i say quite recent use. I write quite a lot
of pl/sql and C and Pro*C and I wanted particularly to explore the
macros and tools to see what code i can generate. I am a fan of
generating
Thater, William scribbled on the wall in glitter crayon:
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was a note in there to start with.
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I'm going to work
How much you open your mouth depends on who you work for. You can open your mouth to
the unemployment line. Alot of managers feel that you are undermining their authority
if you correct them in meetings. I had one manager tell me that I was doing just that
simply by answering co-workers
Sorry for replying on your private email. Here it goes again:
Robert, no doubt that what I called a geekish culture is at fault here,
and to the large part, at that. Personally, I do speak up, may be even
too loud. But consider this: I've recently changed jobs, because of a
row over something
Mladen, this is not directed specifically at you, but you have raised
something in my mind that often just irritates the heck out of me.
I often hear the term Damagement, damagers, etc... and I understand it, and
have had more than a few occasions where a damager has killed me
Management is
How many more of these undocumented but seemingly crucial optimizer
parameters has changed from 8i to 9i? I'd think these are a bit
more important to know about.
Anyone have a list of these changed parameters? Are they noted in the 9i docs?
boss
We has problems with another undocumented
Mladen Gogala scribbled on the wall in glitter crayon:
accept a pay cut. So I left. So far, so good. I'm new at the company,
I don't have enough business knowledge in this new line of work and
the company is a well entrenched company with power players whose
roles I don't understand quite
Mladen,
Hard times present problems because people do
not want to pay for a competent DBA but frequently hire a shaman or a
witch doctor who improves on the system based on snake oil type
techniques. If I cannot get more money then some bozo after a
If you know you're better than the bozo
Hello,
It appears that Toad does not run on the Linux desktop, or
at least the system requirements mention only Windows platforms.
Does any one know of any toad-like tools that do run on Linux?
Specifically, Red Hat Linux? The server would be a 9.2.0.4 database
also running on Red Hat Linux AS
Looks like this discussion is moving into peopleskills-l.
Gudmundur
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Thank You!!!
Found this in the trace file
ORA-00942: table or view does not exist
Current SQL statement for this session:
INSERT INTO SBC_GLOBAL.MLOG$_EMPLOYEE_ROLE
(dmltype$$,old_new$$,snaptime$$,c
hange_vector$$) VALUES
(:d,:o,to_date('4000-01-01:00:00:00','-MM-DD:HH24:MI:
SS'),:c)
Tora. You can get a copy for Linux free of charge, although the Windoze
version has a commercial license charge.
For more info:
http://www.globecom.se/tora/
For the Linux/Oracle 9 rpm:
http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/tora/tora-1.2.4-1oracle9.i686.rpm
HTH
Mark
Title: RE: Cary's book
That only works up to the point where they are willing to pay. It's sad, but you can STILL get a job with the OCP letters after your name, regardless of what you can or can't do. The idea is that they are paying you bottom line because you have no experience... but
Title: RE: toad on linux
TORA you'll love it. search on sourceforge.net ...
Raj
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Subject: toad on linux
Hello,
It
Bill.
There is a TOAD like producty called TORA that runs on linux. Google
for it and download the tar file.
The new EM 4.0 ( due out with 10G) is suppose to be browser based
allowing you to run it from and os browser.
Ron
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 10/03/03 12:24PM
Hello,
It appears that Toad does
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education and my life in general. No, until there aren't more jobs, I'll
keep on the safe side. That's the part where crisis and CYA methodology
jump in. I have no solution, but, unfortunately, I don't have
Christ-like qualities that are asked from me in every
Robert,
Well said. I think the problem goes farther back than just us sitting in our
cubes. I hate to stereotype, but there is some truth in saying that 'geeks'
tend to be somewhat introverted, where many in management are somewhat
extroverted. This year's IOUG-A Live was a great example. Here we
Tora
http://www.globecom.se/tora
Works great.
On Fri, 2003-10-03 at 11:24, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hello,
It appears that Toad does not run on the Linux desktop, or
at least the system requirements mention only Windows platforms.
Does any one know of any toad-like tools that do run on
Marketing is as much as how you present yourself as it is anything else.
I've seen uncertified and unexperienced guys who could write a resume that
would make you think they could walk on water, reorg, defrag, code in C#,
asp and java all while designing the newest, latest, greatest hybrid
Title: RE: Cary's book
This
is a difficult question that I've had to face more than I would have liked in
the past 2 years. The way to do it is to mark your prices down and say
that comparing bang for the buck, you've got a bigger bang... and maybe they can
squeeze out a better buck... and
Why worry about how it gets written. The cache will make any implementation sing like
a bird. And if you think
you are having problems just add more cache and that will take care of it.
- As told to us by a past EMC Sales Weenie
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I guess this means it is breakable
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Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2003 11:35 AM
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Hello All:
We had purchased RAC to provide high availability of datawarehouse to our
customers.
Yes, unfortunately those of us who have had the courage and accepted
the responsibility of bringing children to the world have to sometimes
take the bad with the good.
Well I've brought my share of children into the world, thats for
sure I'd wager I have more than just about anyone
I agree that TOra (http://www.globecom.se/tora/) is a fine program and the
best Linux alternative to TOAD, but it still lacks a lot of the
spit-n-polish of TOAD that makes it more usable to me. Try it out and see.
And after further review, the Bears still suck...
Rich
Rich Jesse
Freeman Robert - IL [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] on Friday, October 03, 2003
12:09 PM
Well I've brought my share of children into the world, thats for
sure I'd wager I have more than just about anyone else here on
Oracle-L
in fact... Anyone have more than 5??
I've six here.
~brian
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Offshore impacts are killers on rates these days... However, It is my
feeling that this will be self correcting in about 2 years when everything
is totally screwed up, and mark my words, things will be. I've seen way to
many offshore projects fail. Big projects will be way over budget, way
behind
Daniel,
I agree 100% with what you said Somehow we must find a way to come out
of our shell. I am among those coming out of my shell is HARD
standing up at IOUG-A, or UKOUG or wherever and speaking to that room full
of people is one of the hardest things I do. I just make myself...
I've spent a lot of my life in highly structured corporate America --
cutthroat corporate.
I've managed not to make enemies, to gain credibility, to make my
issues known, to learn when to fight and when to compromise.
The techniques I used are in the presentation I'm giving at UKOUG :)
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Ooops, did I send private instead of public? Apologies
if so. It's late here and I'm half asleep already.
Just waiting for the flu pills to kick in.
in fact... Anyone have more than 5??
3 here. Only 2 now.
Also, I'm rapidly becomming a single
parent, as
Ah, yes... No kids here, but I do have pet potbellied pigs to support. Anyone
have more than 2?
;)
Dan
Brian Dunbar wrote:
Freeman Robert - IL [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] on Friday, October 03, 2003
12:09 PM
Well I've brought my share of children into the world, thats for
sure I'd
About 20 years ago, discussing this very trend, a friend mentioned that what
we need is a computer professional union (CPU, we called it), but that geeks
were disinclined to go that direction because we were a bunch of cowboys and
wouldn't make personal sacrifices for common goals. Now that all
Let me clarify things further. In Cary's book, there is a part when
he describes a meeting when a manager was saying things that were
plain stupid and nobody would correct or interject his monologues.
He further ruminates over that not being a proper way to handle a
performance problem.
Well,
Title: RE: Seems odd to me(bug?)
1 select owner, object_name,
object_type, status
2 from all_objects
3* where object_name='EMPLOYEE_ROLE'
SQL /
OWNER
OBJECT_NAME
OBJECT_TYPE STATUS
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Freeman Robert - IL scribbled on the wall in glitter crayon:
Daniel,
I agree 100% with what you said Somehow we must find a way to
come out of our shell. I am among those coming out of my shell is
HARD standing up at IOUG-A, or UKOUG or wherever and speaking to
that room full
Title: RE: Seems odd to me(bug?)
see ... it says recursive SQL ... it probably mean some trigger is firing ... on the table.
Raj
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Sent: Friday, October 03, 2003 10:19 AM
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
your firedsecurity will be there pack up your things and escort you to
your car
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Sent: Friday, October 03, 2003 12:40 PM
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
About 20 years ago, discussing this very trend, a friend mentioned that what
we need is a computer
7 cats, 3 dogs and kittens on the way!
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Sent: Friday, October 03, 2003 12:40 PM
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
Ah, yes... No kids here, but I do have pet potbellied pigs to support.
Anyone
have more than 2?
;)
Dan
Brian Dunbar wrote:
Freeman Robert -
Very interesting and relevant discussion.
One point that stands out is that we must make ourselves valuable
to the business we work for. If we don't, then we're just too easy to replace.
My manager ( who is definitely *not* a damager, thank goodnes ) has made
me the IT lead for Sarbanes Oxley.
Tom,
If you're mailing from Perl, why not just use 'use Mail::Sendmail'?
Jared
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On Fri, 2003-10-03 at 12:54, Daniel Fink wrote:
Robert,
training, OCPs/OCMs, etc, but how many of us have taken a corporate
communication class or engaged a business/personal coach?
I've actually taken Dale-Carnegie class. You can judge my success
by my emails. Introvert is one thing I've
Reply is inline.
On Fri, 2003-10-03 at 14:19, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Very interesting and relevant discussion.
A good one for Friday. TGIF.
I see this as an opportunity to make myself more valuable to the
company, and
intend to take advantage of it.
Jared, you are valuable to us,
Title: RE: Cary's book
HEY... I took those classes. Didn't help a wit.
I REMEMBER one of the laws... but it is just SO hard..
Don't criticize, condemn or complain.
April Wells
Oracle DBA/Oracle Apps DBA
Corporate Systems
Amarillo Texas
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Title: RE: Cary's book
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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Friday, October 03, 2003 12:40
PMTo: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-LSubject: RE:
Cary's book
If you can't get through the screeners that say... oh, you
have X amount of
experience is far more important than the OCP and degrees. In a tight market there are
multiple people with experience and degrees.
To be fair, experience is more important than skill. Employers often assume that
someoen with alot of experience has alot of skill. We have all worked with people
Hello,
I cannot use order by in with my xmlagg clause. Any ideas???
Disconnected from Oracle9i Enterprise Edition Release 9.2.0.1.0 - Production
With the OLAP and Oracle Data Mining options
JServer Release 9.2.0.1.0 - Production
SELECT XMLELEMENT(Department,
XMLAGG(
OH NO!!!
7 cats, 3 dogs and kittens on the way!
reminds me of Ghostbusters:
Dr. Peter Venkman: This city is headed for a disaster of biblical
proportion.
Mayor: What do you mean, biblical?
Dr. Raymond Stantz: What he means is Old Testament, Mr. Mayor, real
wrath-of-God type stuff. Fires and
If you have a mean SOB of a boss, the first rule is that he's always
right. The second rule is that in case of a doubt, the 1st rule
applies.
I disagree, and most strongly. If you are a newbie, no experience type, then
by all means SIT DOWN, SHUT UP and LISTEN. If, on the other hand, you are
Jared,
I know
you sent me this once before. My problem is that I don't have control of
my servers - I'm not the Admin on them. So I can only use the Perl stuff
that was installed. And it's very basic stuff. So your suggestion is
not available to me.
thanks
Tom Mercadante Oracle Certified
Bill - Well you could get their attention by crashing a hummer into their
building. JUST KIDDING. Actually, I think the book for you might be What
Color is Your Parachute. The system is set up to favor someone with the
right experience and credentials and age. There are many people that don't
fit
Since everyone is jumping on this non technical thread I thought I would
too...
Certainly the first chapter was fresh and brought some aspects of
performance tuning into perspective. Specifically keeping a big picture
perspectivehow true...
in that vein I ask..
Why do we do the work we
I have often wondered if the problems between DBAs and management stem from
mutual disrespect.
The manager feels awkward in being forced to hire an expert in an area
he/she knows nothing about. Tries to make suggestions in order to flush out
whether this expert really knows anything.
The
Here's a script to show differences in default parameter values between releases.
Kind of interesting results.
Jared
-- parmdiff2.sql
-- show init parms that differ between instances
-- a parameter is displayed only if it appears
-- in both database, and is set to default
--
-- the purpose of
Title: RE: Cary's book
The only way you can look bad to the bottom line is
if what you charge for your work costs more than the business gains by what you
have done/are going to do. If you spend 40 hours shaving 5 minutes off of
a 4 hour batch job that has a 5 hour window to run then you're
Check out a dos program called BLAT. I
think that is what you are looking for.
Erik
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Subject: RE: how to send mail from
training, OCPs/OCMs, etc, but how many of us have taken a corporate
communication class or engaged a business/personal coach?
I've taken several. Citibank was good about training people to deal
with people.
--- Daniel Fink [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Robert,
Well said. I think the problem
Guys,
Very impressive discussion. Here's the bottom-line. We cannot afford
to be technically efficient/competent without also understanding the
politics of the organization we work in. As DBA's we cannot just manage
the backups, maintenance, tuning - nor can we ignore the applications
we
In the end... They will remember who you were as a person.
Hmmm... Is there a certification test I can take to prove I'm a real
live boy.
Pinocchio
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Since everyone is jumping on this non
DBAs, for the past three or four years, have been on top of the food chain
when it comes to rates. I'm a bit of an exception to the DBA world, having
been a DBA for 15 years, a developer for 13 years, a system
manager/administrator for 9 years and a team lead/tech lead for 10 years, I
can pretty
On Fri, 2003-10-03 at 15:29, DENNIS WILLIAMS wrote:
The manager feels awkward in being forced to hire an expert in an area
he/she knows nothing about. Tries to make suggestions in order to flush out
whether this expert really knows anything.
And you call a guy who makes suggestions about
A few years ago being an experienced DBA was a valuable commodity and
we
really enjoyed that. But the managers were very frustrated by having to
search hard for a DBA, pay spiraling salary demands, etc. I think some
managers look on these times as their revenge. What some DBAs see as pay
cuts
On Fri, 2003-10-03 at 15:49, Rachel Carmichael wrote:
I've taken several. Citibank was good about training people to deal
with people.
Navy seals do that as well.
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Odland, Brad scribbled on the wall in glitter crayon:
Why do we do the work we do...??
because after 35 years of programming, database design and development and
DBA work, when i get to solve the problem in an elegant manor the rush is
still there.
--
Bill Shrek Thater ORACLE DBA
As Robert said...some battles are best left unfought (or at least given
some attention)
Or, as some of us in the Southern U.S. would say:
A dog will whip a skunk every time. But sometimes, it's not worth the
stink.
Gotta love OT Fridays. :)
Brian
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| Brian
management here doesn't believe in time off for user group meetings.
which is sort of to the point of this discussion. They want me to be up
to speed on all the latest, greatest, bells and whistles of Oracle but
they won't give me the time or money for the acquisition of that
knowledge.
--- Bob
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