test mail -- plz ignore

2003-11-12 Thread Prem Khanna J
-- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Prem Khanna J INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services

RE: Multithreaded server - effect of POOLING=ON option

2003-11-12 Thread Sinardy Xing
Hi Peter, pooling is for: user that connected but idle will be disconnected temporary for new incoming or outgoing request. ON or BOTH or YES or TRUE is to turn on OFF or FALSE or NO is default to turn off IN for incoming connection only OUT for outgoing connection only Sinardy

RE: Clean temporary tablespace

2003-11-12 Thread Sinardy Xing
Hi, Restartup your database if possible. If you set the datafile autoextent on then you have to recreate that tablespace, if you set it to not autoextent on for some query may fail due to not enough sorting space. Sinardy -Original Message- Sent: 12 November 2003 14:24 To: Multiple

Re: PCTFREE, PCTUSED and ASSM

2003-11-12 Thread Richard Foote
Hi Mladen, Don't desert me now, I thought we've come a long way !! Although, I'm not a listed Oracle guru, let me try and explain further ;) PCTFREE works in almost exactly the same way as it does for non-ASSM objects. PCTFREE determines how much of the block we want to reserve for subsequent

RE: OT (DB2)

2003-11-12 Thread Robertson Lee - lerobe
Many thanks. I am back on again. Regards Lee -Original Message- Sent: 11 November 2003 21:59 To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L -Original Message- From: Robertson Lee - lerobe [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, 12 November 2003 00:45 To: Multiple recipients

Re: (looong) PCTFREE, PCTUSED and ASSM

2003-11-12 Thread Tanel Poder
Yep, the situation can get bad for parallel execution, especially if blocks read aren't cached... But for serial FTS I haven't seen such a problem, I did even a test to verify it on 9.2.0.4, and did see behaviour as I expected - all blocks were scanned using multiblock reads and rows were returned

bug info, not displayed!!

2003-11-12 Thread rahul sharma
List, i need some help on this... i am trying to get information on this but , and the patches available, the bug no is 1809113. but metaling does not allow to display this bug !!! even when i use my PARTNERS login !!! a.. The bug is not classified as publicly accessible (non-public). b..

RE: bug info, not displayed!!

2003-11-12 Thread DENNIS WILLIAMS
Rahul Are you certain you have the correct number? What is the bug about -- you may be able to search using alternate words. Dennis Williams DBA Lifetouch, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 6:30 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L

RE: bug info, not displayed!!

2003-11-12 Thread Jamadagni, Rajendra
Hmmm ... you saw only a through d ... that's why ... There is another bullet point .. e. This bug is caused by one of our stupid developers, but it is embarrassing for us to discuss that in public. ps: if you want details on that bug, log and itar ... and pray. Raj

Logical StandBy question

2003-11-12 Thread Juan Miranda
Hi It is posible to create other schemas on a logical stand by database ? I mean, schemas that don?t exist in the primary database. -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Juan Miranda INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051

Re: Logical StandBy question

2003-11-12 Thread Rachel Carmichael
yes. Well documented in the manuals --- Juan Miranda [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi It is posible to create other schemas on a logical stand by database ? I mean, schemas that don?t exist in the primary database. -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net --

Fwd: Looking for help.

2003-11-12 Thread Jonathan Gennick
I don't usually forward my reader email to the list, but the question below strikes me as rather interesting. In this case, SQL*Loader appears to be causing all SQL statements that refer to the table being loaded to be invalidated. Is this normal behavior? Does anyone know why it might be the

AW: Looking for help.

2003-11-12 Thread Stefan Jahnke
Hi We do something similiar, but instead of deleting the tables beforehand, I just use the SQL*LOADER REPLACE option. No such problems as described in the original eMail occured so far. The platform is Oracle 9.2.0.3 on Win3k. Regards, Stefan -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: Jonathan

RE: Looking for help.

2003-11-12 Thread Nelson, Allan
Windows 3000? -Original Message- Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 7:44 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Hi We do something similiar, but instead of deleting the tables beforehand, I just use the SQL*LOADER REPLACE option. No such problems as described in the original

RE: Clean temporary tablespace

2003-11-12 Thread Hemant K Chitale
Or you can 1. Create another Temporary Tablespace with CREATE TEMPORARY TABLESPACE new_temporary_tablespace TEMPFILE . SIZE ... AUTOEXTEND ON NEXT .. MAXSIZE ... 2. Issue ALTER USER TEMPORARY TABLESPACE new_temporary_tablespace commands 3. If running 9.2 with a Default Temporary Tablespace,

anyone take the 8i performance tuning ocp test?

2003-11-12 Thread ryan_oracle
Im reading the Sybex OCP book on tuning and it is absolutely loaded with inaccuracies. Is the test the same way? If so do they improve it in 9i? The book is loaded with all types of hit ratios, discussions about committing frequently to IMPROVE performance, and other garbage. anyone know the

RE: Logical StandBy question

2003-11-12 Thread Muqthar Ahmed
Juan, How can you create Schema in STANDBY database that does not exist in Primiary database?? Can you give me an example? Muqthar Ahmed -Original Message- Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 8:24 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L yes. Well documented in the manuals

Re: Re[2]: var source_data varchar2(12)

2003-11-12 Thread Mladen Gogala
I never use those. I find it better not to be overly smart with sqlplus. Sqlplus is a program for ad-hoc queries from the command line and for the administrative functions (startup/shutdown, alter database/system), nothing more and nothing less. If I need a program, I can either write a PL/SQL

RE: Logical StandBy question

2003-11-12 Thread Rachel Carmichael
Short answer: look in the manuals. Longer answer: a LOGICAL standby database does not get updated in the same manner as a PHYSICAL standby database. Logical Standby is simply a database which is updated via SQL statements generated from the archived redo logs, not application of the archived redo

RE: bug info, not displayed!!

2003-11-12 Thread rahul
the bug no. is correct, it relates to forms 6i (running on web) is not able to connect to the DB when using ASO, and third party authentication (securID) we have configured sucureID authentication for our DB, but out back office app using forms6i does not connect to the DB when this is

RE: bug info, not displayed!!

2003-11-12 Thread rahul
the bug no. is correct, it relates to forms 6i (running on web) is not able to connect to the DB when using ASO, and third party authentication (securID) we have configured sucureID authentication for our DB, but out back office app using forms6i does not connect to the DB when this is

RE: bug info, not displayed!!

2003-11-12 Thread rahul
the bug no. is correct, it relates to forms 6i (running on web) is not able to connect to the DB when using ASO, and third party authentication (securID) we have configured sucureID authentication for our DB, but out back office app using forms6i does not connect to the DB when this is

RE: bug info, not displayed!!

2003-11-12 Thread rahul
the bug no. is correct, it relates to forms 6i (running on web) is not able to connect to the DB when using ASO, and third party authentication (securID) we have configured sucureID authentication for our DB, but out back office app using forms6i does not connect to the DB when this is

RE: (looong) PCTFREE, PCTUSED and ASSM

2003-11-12 Thread Khedr, Waleed
I believe it's direct read from files in parallel execution, nothing gets read from cache. Cached blocks for the table get flushed to files before the direct read. Regards, Waleed -Original Message- Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 7:10 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L

Re: Fwd: Looking for help.

2003-11-12 Thread Jonathan Gennick
I wonder whether the invalidation comes about from the use of TRUNCATE, which is considered a DDL statement. I'd guess that any DDL to a table would invalidate existing SQL statements. Best regards, Jonathan Gennick --- Brighten the corner where you are http://Gennick.com * 906.387.1698 *

Re: Logical StandBy question

2003-11-12 Thread Yechiel Adar
The question was about LOGICAL standby database. From your point of view it is like a regular database and you can create schema in it. Yechiel Adar Mehish - Original Message - To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 4:14 PM Juan,

RE: bug info, not displayed!!

2003-11-12 Thread rahul
the bug no. is correct, it relates to forms 6i (running on web) is not able to connect to the DB when using ASO, and third party authentication (securID) we have configured sucureID authentication for our DB, but out back office app using forms6i does not connect to the DB when this is

RE: SQL comparison addition:

2003-11-12 Thread Chris Stephens
I'll try tracing the session. Global.client_dim is just a table with client info and a column that corresponds to client logins to enable row level security. Thanks for the suggestions. As stated earlier..i'll post the resolution. chris -Original Message- Sent: Tuesday, November 11,

RE: bug info, not displayed!!

2003-11-12 Thread Robertson Lee - lerobe
alright already. I think we got the message ! ;-) -Original Message- Sent: 12 November 2003 14:30 To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L the bug no. is correct, it relates to forms 6i (running on web) is not able to connect to the DB when using ASO, and third party

Re: Re[2]: var source_data varchar2(12)

2003-11-12 Thread Mladen Gogala
I never use those. I find it better not to be overly smart with sqlplus. Sqlplus is a program for ad-hoc queries from the command line and for the administrative functions (startup/shutdown, alter database/system), nothing more and nothing less. If I need a program, I can either write a PL/SQL

Re: Looking for help.

2003-11-12 Thread Mladen Gogala
That's the target year for the stable and secure release of MS Windows. HAL:What are you doing Dave? David Bowman: I'm turning you off, HAL. On 11/12/2003 08:49:26 AM, Nelson, Allan wrote: Windows 3000? -Original Message- Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 7:44 AM To: Multiple

Re: Fwd: Looking for help.

2003-11-12 Thread Daniel Fink
IIRC, direct path loads invalidate indexes. As the execution plan may use this index, it makes sense that any statements referencing these tables will be invalidated and need to be reparsed. I've never tested this, but it makes sense (at least Oracle sense). As for the 4031 errors, could they

Re: How do you genrate primary keys?

2003-11-12 Thread Jerome Roa
sandali- may tatapusin lang ako. I'll call you in 30 minutes. wrote: You're much too nice. Rachel Carmichael To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] wisernet100 cc:

Re: (looong) PCTFREE, PCTUSED and ASSM

2003-11-12 Thread Tanel Poder
As a strange thing, from 10046 trace I saw that normal table scanning was done using direct reads, this was expected behaviour, but the lookups of migrated rows were reflected as 'db file sequential reads'. And even more, there were 3 subsequent sequential read waits for the same datablock in a

RE: bug info, not displayed!!

2003-11-12 Thread Igor Neyman
Enough already! Igor Neyman, OCP DBA [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- rahul Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 9:30 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L the bug no. is correct, it relates to forms 6i (running on web) is not able to connect to the DB when using ASO, and

Re: Clean temporary tablespace

2003-11-12 Thread Jared Still
Perhaps you could clarify what you mean by 'it grows up faster and faster'. What exactly does that mean, what script or tool is showing you that, what is its output, and why is it a problem? Restarting the database seems extreme advice for such a meager description of a problem. Jared On Tue,

Re: Logical StandBy question

2003-11-12 Thread Jose Luis Delgado
Hmm... I'd like to know where in the manuals... :-) I do not think so since the standby database stay in permanent recovery mode. JL --- Rachel Carmichael [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: yes. Well documented in the manuals --- Juan Miranda [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi It is

RE: (looong) PCTFREE, PCTUSED and ASSM

2003-11-12 Thread Dunscombe, Chris
Tanel, Maybe a PQ FTS needs to resolve migrated rows immediately as it's possible that the migrated row is located in a block that's allocated to a different PQ slave. Chris -Original Message- Sent: 12 November 2003 15:49 To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L As a strange thing,

RE: anyone take the 8i performance tuning ocp test?

2003-11-12 Thread DENNIS WILLIAMS
Ryan - I took the 8i OCP for Tuning. I used Couchman to study with, and don't recall any big differences with the exam. The exam is prepared from the Oracle Education Student Guide for Oracle 8i. That would have been a couple of years ago, and if Oracle Education was teaching hit ratios back then,

OCP 9i New Features for DBAs

2003-11-12 Thread Dunscombe, Chris
Hi, I'm currently studying for this exam but can't find info to say whether the exam covers 9.2 or just 9.0. Anyone any clues Thanks, Chris Dunscombe -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Dunscombe, Chris INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network

RE: (looong) PCTFREE, PCTUSED and ASSM

2003-11-12 Thread Khedr, Waleed
Using PQ, the segment is split into multiple sub-segments using rowid range scan. Since there is no guarantee that the migrated row will be in the same sub-segment that has the pointer to the migrated row, the PQ slave might need to resolve the issue real time. I mean the migrated row might

Re: Logical StandBy question

2003-11-12 Thread Paul Baumgartel
There are two kinds of standby database: physical and logical. The original post referred to logical standby. The normal state of a logical standby database is open, and it can contain schemas and objects that do not exist in the primary. Check the manuals again! ;-) --- Jose Luis Delgado

Re: Logical StandBy question

2003-11-12 Thread Walt Weaver
I think you're confusing physical and logical standby databases. Logical standby databases aren't in recovery mode. --Walt Weaver Bozeman, Montana On Wed, 2003-11-12 at 09:09, Jose Luis Delgado wrote: Hmm... I'd like to know where in the manuals... :-) I do not think so since the

Re: Fwd: Looking for help.

2003-11-12 Thread Denny Koovakattu
Is there a primary key on the table ? Regards, Denny Jonathan Gennick wrote: I don't usually forward my reader email to the list, but the question below strikes me as rather interesting. In this case, SQL*Loader appears to be causing all SQL statements that refer to the table being loaded to be

RE: Re: Logical StandBy question

2003-11-12 Thread Stephane Faroult
Jose Luis, What you say refers to the physical standby database (which works well), not to the logical standby database (which on the paper looks great, allows you to open the database, create additional tablespaces, create additional indexes on replicated objects etc) but which in practice

RE: OCP 9i New Features for DBAs

2003-11-12 Thread Pete Sharman
Runs on 9.2 but there's nothing specific to 9.2 rather than 9.0, IIRC. Pete Controlling developers is like herding cats. Kevin Loney, Oracle DBA Handbook Oh no, it's not. It's much harder than that! Bruce Pihlamae, long term Oracle DBA. -Original Message- Dunscombe, Chris Sent:

Re: (looong) PCTFREE, PCTUSED and ASSM

2003-11-12 Thread Yechiel Adar
Maybe, the process that read the block use the same logic to pass the rows out, no matter if it FTS or direct block read. So this logic resolved migrated rows in the block that was passed to him. Yechiel Adar Mehish - Original Message - To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL

Re: Logical StandBy question

2003-11-12 Thread Rachel Carmichael
took me exactly two clicks to find the following: Oracle9i Release 2 (9.2) New Features in Data Guard The features and enhancements described in this section were added to Data Guard in Oracle9i release 2 (9.2). * Logical standby database Until now, there has been only the physical

Re: Fwd: Looking for help.

2003-11-12 Thread Ron Rogers
Jonathan, I don't see where the TRUNCATE command is used in the original request message. The 20 staging tables have a delete action against them. The data is sqlldr action to load the tables. The final tables are loaded from the staging tables using a PL/SQL procedure. The final tables are

Re: Fwd: Looking for help.

2003-11-12 Thread Daniel Fink
Jonathan, I don't see where truncate is being invoked, though I am not a big user of sql*loader. Truncate should invalidate statements. Daniel Jonathan Gennick wrote: I wonder whether the invalidation comes about from the use of TRUNCATE, which is considered a DDL statement. I'd guess

RE: Re: Logical StandBy question

2003-11-12 Thread Walt Weaver
Stephane, What sort of problems can one expect from logical standby? I'm toying with the idea of using it as a replication database -- no additional schema objects will be created, but users will have read-only access to it. It's one of the options I'm looking at. Seems to me like there was a

RE: OCP 9i New Features for DBAs

2003-11-12 Thread DENNIS WILLIAMS
Chris I'm betting on 9.0. For it to cover 9.2 would have meant that Oracle would have had to go back and recreate the test. And Oracle would have felt compelled to change the name of the test. However, I think it possible that any question whose answer would be true for 9.0 but false for 9.2

Re: Looking for help.

2003-11-12 Thread Yechiel Adar
There are two options to replace all data in the table: REPLACE and TRUNCATE which are equivalent to truncate and delete sql statements. If you have staging tables without RI or triggers then use truncate. Using delete just takes a lot longer and use a lot more resources. We use TRUNCATE almost

RE: Re: Logical StandBy question

2003-11-12 Thread Carel-Jan Engel
Hi all, As Stephane told, logical standby (LSB) has a lot of tiny little exceptions and special issues to cope with. I've done one implementation in production until now (did appr. 20 Physical Standby sites as well). But, even that site uses 2 LSB's as reporting systems, and has a PSB for the

Re: Looking for help.

2003-11-12 Thread Rachel Carmichael
yeah but... if you attempt (as I do) to isolate the schema owner from the users which have select/insert/update/delete privileges, TRUNCATE won't work unless you have granted DROP ANY TABLE (I *really* hate that that is required) to the account which does the actual sql load. So I use REPLACE,

RE: Re: Logical StandBy question

2003-11-12 Thread Rachel Carmichael
there was a thread -- Paul Baumgartel started it looking for information on logical standby. IIRC, he found that there were a few gotchas -- check the fatcity archives. I do know that since it's based on Logminer technology, it has the same limitations that Logminer does --- Walt Weaver [EMAIL

New interface on Metalink to do queries ...

2003-11-12 Thread Jamadagni, Rajendra
Title: New interface on Metalink to do queries ... I found it today ... http://metalink.oracle.com/metalink/plsql/ml2_documents.showFrameDocument?p_database_id=NOT_id=102421.1 Raj Rajendra dot Jamadagni at

Re: Fwd: Looking for help.

2003-11-12 Thread Ron Rogers
Daniel, How does using the TRUNCATE command is a sqlldr invalidate anything? The sqlldr truncate command reuses the storage that the table originally used and does not change the HW mark. If there are indexes on the tables then they are placed in the DIRECT PATH state during the load and updated

Re: Fwd: Looking for help.

2003-11-12 Thread Yong Huang
KamYee, Can we take a look at the SQL*Loader control file? Also the output of select * from v$sql where lower(sql_text) like '%yourstagingtable%' and invalidations 0 Yong Huang --- Jonathan Gennick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I wonder whether the invalidation comes about from the use of

RE: New interface on Metalink to do queries ...

2003-11-12 Thread Jesse, Rich
And yet it STILL returns articles about DEC's RDB. Wasn't the new/improved MetaLink supposed to be out Q1 of *this* year? All I want is valid HTML, no %$#*( frames, and no hits that I can't view or that don't apply to my search (e.g. DEC RDB, Apps, etc.). Rich Rich Jesse

Help Interpreting TKProf

2003-11-12 Thread Barbara Baker
Hi. I'm running tkprof on my PC with a version 9i client. The trace file was generated on a Solars version 8.1.7.4 database. (I'm using tkprof on 9i to get wait statistics.) The trace is 10046 level 12 I assume the time waited is in addition to the elapsed time for the call -- correct? Since

Re: Fwd: Looking for help.

2003-11-12 Thread Daniel Fink
Ron, I don't know about the TRUNCATE option w/ sql*loader, but the regular DDL TRUNCATE invalidates sql that references the table. Example: 1 select sql_text, invalidations 2 from v$sql 3* where sql_text = 'select * from emp' SQL / SQL_TEXT

Re: RE: OCP 9i New Features for DBAs

2003-11-12 Thread ryan_oracle
im going to take it soon. I was going to just read howard rogers guide then the otn one. you think that is enough? I just want to pass it and get my piece of paper. I already know the 9i stuff that is useful to me. From: DENNIS WILLIAMS [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2003/11/12 Wed PM 12:19:32

anyone looking for development dbas in northern virgnia?

2003-11-12 Thread ryan_oracle
My company started offshoring jobs to India. Ive been told Im safe, but in a corporate environment, your boss doesnt know much. He didnt even get advance notice about the layoffs that occurrted today. I believe long term they want to outsource the whole department overseas. My boss doesnt know.

Re: New interface on Metalink to do queries ...

2003-11-12 Thread Mladen Gogala
On 11/12/2003 12:59:25 PM, Jesse, Rich wrote: And yet it STILL returns articles about DEC's RDB. Wasn't the new/improved MetaLink supposed to be out Q1 of *this* year? All I want is valid HTML, no %$#*( frames, and no hits that I can't view or that don't apply to my search (e.g. DEC RDB,

Re: Fwd: Looking for help.

2003-11-12 Thread Tanel Poder
Yep, truncate invalidates parsed SQL: SQL select count(*) from t3; COUNT(*)-- 0 SQL select sql_text, optimizer_mode, invalidations from v$sql where sql_text like '%select count(*) from t3%'and sql_text not like '%v$sql%'; SQL_TEXT OPTIMIZER_

RE: Looking for help.

2003-11-12 Thread Johnston, Tim
Or... Create a stored procedure that truncates the table... Grant execute on the procedure to the user... The user executes the procedure and then calls sqlldr... Tim -Original Message- Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 12:45 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L yeah but...

RE: Re: Logical StandBy question

2003-11-12 Thread Paul Baumgartel
Walt, I'll step in here--my experiment with Logical Standby convinced me that it is not ready for prime time. 1. Major bugs caused apply process to crash repeatedly. 2. Difficulty filtering out DDL from apply stream. 3. Horrendous performance of apply process--frequently the elapsed time to

Re: Help Interpreting TKProf

2003-11-12 Thread Mladen Gogala
Barbs, what this trace file tells you is that the client program takes much more time delivering the data to oracle then it takes for oracle to deliver the data to the program. In other words, your program takes its time between the calls to the database. Maybe you should run the profiler and see

Re: Help Interpreting TKProf

2003-11-12 Thread Daniel Fink
Barb, This is a great example of where reading the trace file will tell you what you need to know. Is the 10 centiseconds of time in 8 1.25 centisecond events or in 1 10 centisecond event and 7 .1 centisecond events? The location (parse/execute/fetch/post tx) are also important. Daniel Barbara

RE: anyone take the 8i performance tuning ocp test?

2003-11-12 Thread Michael Milligan
I'm studying for the 9i Performance Tuning exam, too. I'm glad to hear about the inaccuracies in this book. I have this book and the Oracle Press book by Pack. I also have Oracle Online Learning and I think I will stick more closely to that. Also, hopefully the Self Test Software gives a good

RE: Re: Logical StandBy question

2003-11-12 Thread Carel-Jan Engel
Walt, drop me your email-address, and I send you the handouts of a special I presented about DG for Oracle University in Stockholm. I'm going out now for a few hours (it's 19.30 over here), but I'll respond later this evening. regards, Carel-Jan At 09:19 12-11-03 -0800, you wrote: Stephane,

RE: Help Interpreting TKProf

2003-11-12 Thread Cary Millsap
Barb, I think tkprof prints output in seconds, so I think you're looking at 10.73 seconds of response time here. First, some definitions: - The SQL*Net message from client event maps to an OS read() call to the file descriptor to which SQL*Net is connected. - The SQL*Net message to client

Re: Logical StandBy question

2003-11-12 Thread Stephane Faroult
Walt Weaver wrote: Stephane, What sort of problems can one expect from logical standby? I'm toying with the idea of using it as a replication database -- no additional schema objects will be created, but users will have read-only access to it. It's one of the options I'm looking at.

Re: Help Interpreting TKProf

2003-11-12 Thread Mladen Gogala
In other words, you can finish performance analysis of the client only by finding out where the time is spent on the client side. If it's an interactive program and you have a homo sapiens interacting with it, then think time is a factor. If, on the other hand, it's a batch program, then run a

Moving CDC data to a staging area

2003-11-12 Thread Jesse, Rich
Hey all, After reading the article in the latest OraMag about 9i's CDC -- Change Data Capture and not Centers for Disease Control (cool reading that MMWR is) -- I'm wondering how most folk get that CDC data to the staging area of a DW/DM. The three ways I can think of are by using DB links,

Re[2]: Fwd: Looking for help.

2003-11-12 Thread Jonathan Gennick
Wednesday, November 12, 2003, 12:04:35 PM, Daniel Fink ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: DF I don't see where truncate is being invoked, though I am not a big user of sql*loader. DF Truncate should invalidate statements. Sorry. He mentioned in a later email to me that he was using the TRUNCATE option

Re: Help Interpreting TKProf

2003-11-12 Thread Mladen Gogala
Daniel, it's seconds, not centiseconds. The tkprof writes things down in seconds. If it's a 9i trace, then the times within trc files are in microseconds. In trc file produced by 8i, it's centiseconds. By some magic, tkprof knows the difference and usually gets the right times. On 11/12/2003

Re: Help Interpreting TKProf

2003-11-12 Thread Barbara Baker
Daniel: Does this mean I was supposed to be paying attention in class?? Here's everything I can find associated with sql*net message from client in that cursor. Can't figure out from this how it came up with 10.73 (although that one wait matches up with the max wait of 10.71) Am I being

Stop using SYS, SYSTEM?

2003-11-12 Thread Smith, Ron L.
We are being asked by Auditing to stop using the SYS, and SYSTEM accounts. They would like for us to create an Oracle Role with the same permissions a SYS and SYSTEM, then grant the role to each of the DBA's. Don't ask me why. Nothing is being audited in 99% of the databases. They just say it in

Re[2]: New interface on Metalink to do queries ...

2003-11-12 Thread Jonathan Gennick
Wednesday, November 12, 2003, 12:59:25 PM, Jesse, Rich ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: JR And yet it STILL returns articles about DEC's RDB. But isn't that the solution to all Oracle problems? Just upgrade to DEC RDB? Best regards, Jonathan Gennick --- Brighten the corner where you are

Re: Fwd: Looking for help.

2003-11-12 Thread Ron Rogers
Daniel, I understand what is you are saying and what you tested but I don't the why or what it means. Does it mean that the sql command is not going to work? Does it means that you have to issue it again to get it to work? Ref: Doc ID: Note:123214.1 invalid Type: PROBLEM Status:

Re: Stop using SYS, SYSTEM?

2003-11-12 Thread Jared . Still
That won't work if you're using RMAN. The account that makes the backup needs to be able to do so as sysdba. You can't grant that through a role. The reason for separate accounts is accountability. But if you're not auditing, that won't help much, as you already stated. Jared Smith,

Re: Fwd: Looking for help.

2003-11-12 Thread Daniel Fink
There is a difference between a statement that is invalid (i.e. won't execute) and one whose execution plan has been invalidated in the shared pool. When the statement is 'invalidated' all it means is that if a process wants to reexecute the statement, it must be reparsed. At this time, the

Re: Logical StandBy question

2003-11-12 Thread Walt Weaver
Thanks for the info on logical standbys everyone. The opinions on it seem rather unanimous.:) --Walt On Wed, 2003-11-12 at 12:14, Stephane Faroult wrote: Walt Weaver wrote: Stephane, What sort of problems can one expect from logical standby? I'm toying with the idea of using

Re: Help Interpreting TKProf

2003-11-12 Thread Daniel Fink
Barbara, I know how distracted you were with all the jokes being tossed about, but really... It looks to me (with just this snippet of trace) that the cursor #3 did some communication and then waited for 10 seconds for a response. Without seeing the raw trace file and sequence of events, this is

RE: Stop using SYS, SYSTEM?

2003-11-12 Thread Jesse, Rich
Or if you're auditing in a pre-9i DB, which won't audit SYS and SYSDBA. Rich Rich Jesse System/Database Administrator [EMAIL PROTECTED] Quad/Tech Inc, Sussex, WI USA -Original Message- Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 2:30 PM To: Multiple

RE: Stop using SYS, SYSTEM?

2003-11-12 Thread Goulet, Dick
Personal Opinion here: I don't use SYS or system for anything where it is not absolutely required. All of the DBA's have the DBA role granted to them we log on as ourselves. This is simply so that we don't accidentally step on something really important. In general one should never create

RE: Stop using SYS, SYSTEM?

2003-11-12 Thread David Wagoner
Title: RE: Stop using SYS, SYSTEM? Jared, I followed Robert Freeman's advice and created an RMAN user in all my DBs called backup_admin with SYSDBA privilege so that RMAN doesn't use SYS or SYSTEM. This allows you to change system passwords at will and not interfere with backups. Works just

RE: Stop using SYS, SYSTEM?

2003-11-12 Thread Mercadante, Thomas F
I agree 100% with Dick. Nobody should be using SYS or SYSTEM. If RMAN requires a SYS connection, then so be it. Tom Mercadante Oracle Certified Professional -Original Message- Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 3:45 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Personal Opinion here:

RE: Stop using SYS, SYSTEM?

2003-11-12 Thread Thater, William
Smith, Ron L. scribbled on the wall in glitter crayon: We are being asked by Auditing to stop using the SYS, and SYSTEM accounts. They would like for us to create an Oracle Role with the same permissions a SYS and SYSTEM, then grant the role to each of the DBA's. Don't ask me why. Nothing

Re: Fwd: Looking for help.

2003-11-12 Thread Ron Rogers
Daniel, That is what I thought I read in the doc's, Thanks, Ron [EMAIL PROTECTED] 11/12/2003 3:29:27 PM There is a difference between a statement that is invalid (i.e. won't execute) and one whose execution plan has been invalidated in the shared pool. When the statement is 'invalidated' all

RE: Stop using SYS, SYSTEM?

2003-11-12 Thread Jamadagni, Rajendra
We avoid using SYS as much as we can, but we use SYSTEM ... cautiously I might add. Raj Rajendra dot Jamadagni at nospamespn dot com All Views expressed in this email are strictly personal. QOTD: Any clod can have

Re: Stop using SYS, SYSTEM?

2003-11-12 Thread Peter Gram
David You can remove the create session priv from the RMAN user and this will make a little harder for most users to connect, but RMAN will work fine :-) David Wagoner wrote: Jared, I followed Robert Freeman's advice and created an RMAN user in all my DBs called backup_admin with SYSDBA

Re: Stop using SYS, SYSTEM?

2003-11-12 Thread Arup Nanda
Ron, It is a good practice, in general, to stop using SYS and SYSTEM accounts for everyday use. The simplest rule of thumb is accountability somehow increases many times over when you link a database named user to a physical person, not a ethereal entity like SYS. This is especially true if you

Re: Stop using SYS, SYSTEM?

2003-11-12 Thread Stephane Faroult
Smith, Ron L. wrote: We are being asked by Auditing to stop using the SYS, and SYSTEM accounts. They would like for us to create an Oracle Role with the same permissions a SYS and SYSTEM, then grant the role to each of the DBA's. Don't ask me why. Nothing is being audited in 99% of the

RE: Stop using SYS, SYSTEM?

2003-11-12 Thread Stephen.Lee
And for an opposing opinion: Let's see now. We create another user and grant that user all the privileges needed to do ANYTHING. And that makes things so much more secure? If that's the prevailing thought among the database world, then it's safe to say that the Unix admins have infinitely

RE: Stop using SYS, SYSTEM?

2003-11-12 Thread Jesse, Rich
And as Arup's Oracle Magazine's DBA of the Year for 2003, he's probably right. Congrats, Arup! Rich Rich Jesse System/Database Administrator [EMAIL PROTECTED] Quad/Tech Inc, Sussex, WI USA -Original Message- From: Arup Nanda [mailto:[EMAIL

RE: Help Interpreting TKProf

2003-11-12 Thread Cary Millsap
Barb, What you're really after is called forward attribution in the book. You need to see the dbcall that immediately follows each WAIT nam='SQL*Net message from client' event in the trace file. This will tell you what database call's execution it was that ended the read(). Cary Millsap Hotsos

Re: (looong) PCTFREE, PCTUSED and ASSM

2003-11-12 Thread Tanel Poder
Yep, that's exactly what I thought, that due migration the row might go to a PX granule read by another slave... but I still don't see enough reason why migrated rows are handled different from serial scan. During serial scan you also might have rows in beginning of segment migrating to end of it,

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