Title: RE: Oracle License for Training
For me the question is not If? but When?
Any prognostications?
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From: Cary Millsap [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
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Whoever is going to help do it, please make sure it has a really good wait
interface from the beginning :).
Orr, Steve wrote:
RE: Oracle License for Training
For me the question is not "If?" but "When?"
Any prognostications?
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It never hurts to diversify your skills. As everyone on this list will
tell you MySQL is no where near on equal footing with Oracle. However,
it is used in A LOT of small shops in the Linux/Apache/PHP/MySQL
combination. Keeping your options open and current is always a good
idea.
Rodd Holman
Rick - I agree that it can't hurt. Looking at another database can even give
you a fresh perspective on Oracle. Some assignments involve converting an
application from MySQL to Oracle. The critical question in my mind is
whether you see yourself as more of a development DBA or a production DBA? I
by then,
and it wont' matter much.
Jared
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A question
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A question for the DBA Gods on this list:
Is it worth the time/effort to download MySQL and learn it? Is there
going
to be a viable (meaning $$) market for the product in the future? Or
should
I leave all the egg$ in the Oracle basket
The business models for Education partners are a little different:
Microsoft will let you pay some fixed amout per year - and they require
you to be certified instructors - and then you can keep whatever you
make from teaching those classes.
Oracle will let you pay pretty much the same fixed
I always wake up when somebody uses the words "every effort". Probably because
English is not my first language. Maybe not.
I'm not sure what legitimate education institutions are with respect to Oracle
education :). I've seen Oracle taught at universities, and it's not necessarily
as
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Quoting Ora NT DBA [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
Hi All,
This conversation didn't start out in dealing with educational
institutions, it
started out as a group that wants to use it to make money.
Oracle is making every effort to work
I guess if I was going to download and learn another database it would
probably be PostgreSQL http://www.postgresql.org/ it seems to be a bit more
in the enterprise level of databases in comparison to MySQL but I have not
been following MySQL development for some time so perhaps things are coming
On Wednesday 12 February 2003 09:58 pm, Post, Ethan wrote:
I guess if I was going to download and learn another database it would
probably be PostgreSQL http://www.postgresql.org/ it seems to be a bit more
in the enterprise level of databases in comparison to MySQL but I have not
been
Maria,
Here's something you may want to consider with this licensing. If it comes to blow$ with Oracle, and you do have to pay, go for the standard edition not the enterprise edition. It is much cheaper on a named user basis. Cost is in hundreds per user vs. thousands per user. You could
This sounds like Oracle is pricing/licensing itself out of the market.
This is not good because I see a lot of new student with MS SQL skills
and no Oracle skills. Guess what, they will want to work with MS SQL
when they finally start working. Some of these grads will become
bosses one day and
I totally agree. I alway thought Oracle should just give it
away to class rooms. The more people knows Oracle, they will
want to use it at their work. At a small, mid size company is
often the tech guy who will have a big saying over what technology
to use.
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Quoting Richard Ji [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
I totally agree. I alway thought Oracle should just give it
away to class rooms. The more people knows Oracle, they will
want to use it at their work. At a small, mid size company is
often the tech guy who will have a big saying over what
technology
Richard - How do you think the Oracle Education division would react to this
proposal? ;-)
Never underestimate the power of corporate politics. But seriously a
large organization succeeds to the extent that it can look at the long-term
good of the organization. Overall I think Oracle Corp. has
I have to manage MySQL and ORACLE for the web likewise.
There seems to be a strong tendency towards MySQL if people newly enter the area of
webpresence, students or profs doesn't make a difference.
PLEASE spare me the pain: I *DO* know the differences between ORACLE and MySQL. (...
at least
Quoting Markus Reger [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
I have to manage MySQL and ORACLE for the web likewise.
There seems to be a strong tendency towards MySQL if people newly
enter the area of webpresence, students or profs doesn't make a
difference.
For web work. MySQL is very popular (Together with
Quoting DENNIS WILLIAMS [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
Richard - How do you think the Oracle Education division would
react to this
proposal? ;-)
Never underestimate the power of corporate politics. But
seriously a
large organization succeeds to the extent that it can look at the
long-term
good
Oracle makes money there too. I teach Oracle classes at a community college.
They pay a fee to Oracle and use the same books, powerpoint slides, etc.
It's the exact same class, just taught by someone other than Oracle. It's
amazing that more people don't take these classes instead of through
Hi All,
This conversation didn't start out in dealing with educational institutions,
it
started out as a group that wants to use it to make money.
Oracle is making every effort to work with legitimate education institutions.
The
Oracle Academic Initiative does exactly what you describe.
You are WRONG! The Oracle Academic Initiative has 100's of members. In California
there are more than 200.
John
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Quoting Markus Reger [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
I have to manage MySQL and ORACLE for the web likewise.
There seems to be a strong tendency towards
Quoting Keith Moore [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
Oracle makes money there too. I teach Oracle classes at a community
college.
They pay a fee to Oracle and use the same books, powerpoint slides,
etc.
It's the exact same class, just taught by someone other than
Oracle. It's
amazing that more people
Quoting Ora NT DBA [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
Hi All,
This conversation didn't start out in dealing with educational
institutions, it
started out as a group that wants to use it to make money.
Oracle is making every effort to work with legitimate education
institutions. The
Oracle Academic
Lyndon - Lost cause. Everybody is already teaching a lot of Microsoft
products. But Oracle benefits because there is a cachet from being the
high-end product. Cray Computer was good at exploiting that.
Dennis Williams
DBA, 40%OCP
Lifetouch, Inc.
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The Madison (Wisconsin) Area Technical College has several Oracle classes
available. Some of them are in their CIS-Certificate in Oracle Database
Administration Associate Curriculum.
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Quoting Ora NT DBA [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
You are WRONG! The Oracle Academic Initiative has 100's of members.
In
California
there are more than 200.
I should move to Californiaa.
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Hi All
Hello Mogens,
I really got interested with your reply.
You seem to know a lot about how Oracle works with their licenses.
Is this information just your opinion or you know it for a fact?
I'd really appreciate if you could give your legal opinion,
about what we plan to do.
For starters, we plan
When Klaus Andersen (the guy who hired me into Oracle Denmark in 1990,
and now is Managing Director of Microsoft Denmark) was head of Oracle
Education world-wide he put into the standard license terms that you
cannot use Oracle software for training of 3rd parties.
Klaus is a very smart guy.
Maria - Actually, I would think the best time to contact Oracle sales is
when you don't have money. Good sales people can smell money. ;-)
Some software companies are very liberal about providing their product
for development and training purposes. My impression has been that Oracle is
NOT one
Title: RE: Oracle License for Training
From: DENNIS WILLIAMS [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Maria - Actually, I would think the best time to contact
Oracle sales is when you don't have money. Good sales people
can smell money. ;-)
Heh.
Some software companies are very liberal
Did you ever consider that your (prospective) trainig candidates get the (for testing
purposes freely downloadable) oracle software themselves and install it themselves (or
assisted by you) on a good (linux - one might hope ;-)) box and then you assist them
by getting along with this?
I think
Markus - That is what I call a creative solution! I'm no lawyer either, but
excellent!
Dennis Williams
DBA, 40%OCP
Lifetouch, Inc.
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Did you ever consider that your
Jeremy - I should probably have been more specific. :-) Years ago I worked
for a software vendor. They wanted to port their product to Oracle. They
expected to receive complimentary licenses in order to do this. Most vendors
bend over backwards to have you port to their product. Oracle expected
Interesting idea! =)
I'll look through the license agreement (OTN) again.
Then find a lawyer who's willing to be a partner...
And who knows...
Thanks a lot to Dennis W, Tim G, Dick G, Stephane F, jeremy P
and Markus R! Thanks to everyone!
I'm still open to any input/ideas/partnerships(?). Feel
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