Well, I guess the laws of probability will dictate that at least one of us has
to have it good! :-)

Dick Goulet

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Author: Jared Still <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date:       9/1/2001 12:35 PM


Just to add to my previous comment:

I'm working at a company with small ( 40 or so ) IS shop.

The weak do not survive in this environment.  The developers
I work with here are great.  They're bright, hard working and
un-egotistical.  They are even will to take direction from the
DBA in database related matters.

Not a duhveloper in the bunch.

Ya gotta love it!

Jared

On Thursday 30 August 2001 14:16, you wrote:
> Um, Kevin, if the shoe doesn't fit, then don't wear it.  :)
>
> Not all developers are duhvelopers, in fact, most of the ones I know
> are very good, but the ones that are duhvelopers require
> so much attention that it kind of wears on you.  :)
>
> And some of us DB-ehs can do just fine writing apps, thank you,
> but we choose a path that requires less 'direction' from users.  ;)
>
> Jared
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>                     "Thomas, Kevin"
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> I have to say I resent being called a duhveloper, granted the majority
> couldn't tune a banjo let alone tune a piece of SQL, but as a techie (and
> we
> all are), I find this list invaluable for getting advice on a wide range of
> topics, not just keeping a DB up and running or tuned...I don't call you
> guys names, and let's face it you DB-ehs? couldn't write a decent
> application if your lives depended on it...
>
> (blue touch-paper lit, retire a distance, do not re-approach once lit, and
> wait for fireworks)
>
>
> "hit any user to continue"
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> Kevin Thomas
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> -----Original Message-----
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> no, those posts keep us "underworked" DBAs from killing the duhvelopers who
>
> make us do the same thing over and over and over and who never listen when
> we tell them the correct way to design the tables.
>
> :)
>
> From: "Boivin, Patrice J" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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> >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> >Just look at the number of OT postings in the last couple of months...
> >
> >: )
> >
> >Patrice Boivin
> >Systems Analyst (Oracle Certified DBA)
> >
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> >          -----Original Message-----
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> >          You're surprised at those willing to pay?
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> >          You have to realize that most DBAs are over-payed and
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> under-worked
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> >....
> >          <<ducking>>
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> >          > This list is apparently a more valuable resource to many of
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