Re: ioug-a question

2002-04-22 Thread Anjo Kolk
This is from grandpa's memory: The wait interface (v$system_event, v$session_event, v$session_wait) were introduced in 7.0.12. So if my memory works correctly at this early hour, that was 1992. In 1995, I wrote the Oracle7 wait events and enqueue paper, after Jeff Needham explained a couple of

Re: ioug-a question

2002-04-22 Thread Greg Moore
2001 - a lot of books are published with wait interface / YAPP methodology Tuning 101 gets a lot of play here, and they devote a chapter to it. Other than that, what books cover waits in a significant way? Thanks. -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author:

Re: ioug-a question

2002-04-22 Thread Anjo Kolk
Yes, I forgot to mention Gaja's book, and there is a book out there Oracle DBA 101, that has a complete section (2nd or 3rd) about tuning by wait interface/YAPP. Anjo. Greg Moore wrote: 2001 - a lot of books are published with wait interface / YAPP methodology Tuning 101 gets a lot

Re: ioug-a question

2002-04-22 Thread bill thater
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The paper is a condensed version of the book Oracle Performance Tuning 101 published by Osborne (ISBN 0-07-213145-4). This is an EXCELLENT book and worth every penny that it costs. actually i think it's worth more than it costs, but that's just because it made me look

Re: ioug-a question

2002-04-22 Thread Don Granaman
There is always Steve Adams' Oracle8i Internal Services - for Waits, Latches, Locks and Memory from O'Reilly (undoubtably the all-time record holder for information density). It is best considered as Foundations for Advanced Tuning - as described on the cover. Chapter 2 is devoted to waits, but

RE: ioug-a question

2002-04-22 Thread Sherman, Paul R.
Rather than a genus, how about a species ? Thank you, Paul Sherman DBA voice - 781-501-4143 (office) fax- 781-278-8341 (office) email - [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- Sent: Monday, April 22, 2002 10:08 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Re: ioug-a question

2002-04-22 Thread Jonathan Lewis
I don't think anyone who reads the original YAPP paper will miss this. If I recall correctly, one of it's opening statements is the classic formula: response time = service time plus wait time. My own mantra puts in rather less scientific terms: If you have a performance problem,

RE: ioug-a question

2002-04-22 Thread Deshpande, Kirti
One needs to keep in mind that Waits are the symptoms, and not a problem. - Kirti -Original Message- Sent: Monday, April 22, 2002 12:13 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L I don't think anyone who reads the original YAPP paper will miss this. If I recall correctly, one of

Re: ioug-a question

2002-04-22 Thread Anjo Kolk
Well absolutely true, but then everything the database does is a symptom of the fact that we throw workload at it ;-) Deshpande, Kirti wrote: One needs to keep in mind that Waits are the symptoms, and not a problem. - Kirti -Original Message- Sent: Monday, April 22, 2002 12:13 PM

RE: ioug-a question

2002-04-22 Thread Deshpande, Kirti
Then it depends on the workload and its quality quantity ;=) because, the database does what it is asked to do ;) - Kirti -Original Message- Sent: Monday, April 22, 2002 1:04 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Well absolutely true, but then everything the database does is

Re: ioug-a question

2002-04-22 Thread Mogens Nørgaard
It's on page 3, line 38. That includes the front page. Never figured out why you waste a lot of words before getting to the point, Anjo? Mogens Jonathan Lewis wrote: I don't think anyone who reads the original YAPP paper will miss this. If I recall correctly, one of it's opening statements is

Re: ioug-a question

2002-04-22 Thread Mogens Nørgaard
Indeed. When looking at R = S + W I truly get scared when I see stuff like 400 = 399 + 1. Doesn't leave much room for database work, does it? Anjo Kolk wrote: Well absolutely true, but then everything the database does is a symptom ofthe fact that we throw workload at it ;-)"Deshpande,

Re: ioug-a question

2002-04-22 Thread Mogens Nørgaard
Is that the one where they just copied your whole YAPP paper in without mentioning you at all? I seem to recall seing it at IOUG-A last year, but my memory has always been and will always be bad. Mogens Anjo Kolk wrote: Yes,I forgot to mention Gaja's book, and there is a book out there

Re: ioug-a question

2002-04-22 Thread Mogens Nørgaard
Ah, good point about Jeff Needham who's now partner with James Morle (ScaleAbilities). I hear rumors that Jeff might also be going to the Database Forum in Sydney. We should have a historical gathering there where we wait in line while everybody else get serviced. Mogens Anjo Kolk wrote:

Re: ioug-a question

2002-04-22 Thread Anjo Kolk
Well Mogens, I clearly remember the point you about 1500 word a day people and 5000 word a day people at my kitchen table. Well I am typing now and my wife is on the phone ;-) Anjo. Mogens Nørgaard wrote: It's on page 3, line 38. That includes the front page. Never figured out why you waste

Re: ioug-a question

2002-04-22 Thread Paul Vallee
James Morle's Scaling Oracle8i is my favourite book on Oracle performance, and covers the wait interface excellently. Highly recommended. Paul - Original Message - To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, April 22, 2002 6:48 AM Yes, I forgot to mention

ioug-a question

2002-04-21 Thread Koivu, Lisa
Hello all, Someone posted a link to a page describing what was going on at ioug-a. This link spoke of a presentation (by Gaja?) that addressed tuning without ever looking at a ratio. Are these papers available to the public or only to attendees? I really really wanted to go to this meeting

RE: ioug-a question

2002-04-21 Thread Ron Yount
] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Koivu, Lisa Sent: Sunday, April 21, 2002 6:43 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: ioug-a question Hello all, Someone posted a link to a page describing what was going on at ioug-a. This link spoke of a presentation (by Gaja

RE: ioug-a question

2002-04-21 Thread Ganesh Raja
Oracle Press Gaja Vaidyanatha ISBN 0-07-213145-4 HTH, -Ron- -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Koivu, Lisa Sent: Sunday, April 21, 2002 6:43 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: ioug-a question Hello all

Re: ioug-a question

2002-04-21 Thread Charlie Mengler
The paper is a condensed version of the book Oracle Performance Tuning 101 published by Osborne (ISBN 0-07-213145-4). This is an EXCELLENT book and worth every penny that it costs. Koivu, Lisa wrote: Hello all, Someone posted a link to a page describing what was going on at ioug-a. This

RE: ioug-a question

2002-04-21 Thread Andrey Bronfin
0-07-213145-4 HTH, -Ron- -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Koivu, Lisa Sent: Sunday, April 21, 2002 6:43 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: ioug-a question Hello all, Someone posted a link to a page describing

Re: ioug-a question

2002-04-21 Thread Don Granaman
There seems to be a lot of interest in the tuning revolution here, so... The basics revolve around the views v$system_event, v$session_event, and v$session_wait, and v$event_name - and the 10046 event. Rather than try to paraphrase/summarize/expound upon the details, here are some of the best

Re: ioug-a question

2002-04-21 Thread Jared Still
Nice post. The 'revolution' is indeed not that new, more of an underground guerilla movement. And it wasn't televised. :) Jared On Sunday 21 April 2002 10:33, Don Granaman wrote: There seems to be a lot of interest in the tuning revolution here, so... The basics revolve around the views