Re: orion-list Head of the kings of Yavan

2001-07-16 Thread Rochelle I. Altman
On 2001-07-15 Dierk van den Berg wrote: - The terminus technicus 'Kittim' corresponds to Jub's 'Mighty Men (ie professionals) of War' A euphemism in Jubilees as a technical terminus?? Kittim corresponds to professional sea-vermin. as well as to Josephus' 'Macedonians'. This is hardly

Re: orion-list Head of the kings of Yavan

2001-07-16 Thread Dierk van den Berg
Rochelle wrote: A euphemism in Jubilees as a technical terminus?? Kittim corresponds to professional sea-vermin. You say that notwithstanding its military dimension: the professional phalanx. Nb 'vermin': that is no scholarly way to understand the problem. as well as to Josephus'

orion-list RE: orion V2001 #23

2001-07-16 Thread Penner
Rochelle Altman wrote in response to Marcus Wood: MW Possibly the best solution to all this is to follow Josephus MW Ant. I, vi, 1 where he refers the term to any sea-peoples. RA: This is one of Josephus's insider jokes. Sea-peoples was a pejorative around the Eastern Med. Gen 10:4 is

Re: orion-list Head of the kings of Yavan

2001-07-16 Thread RGmyrken
Taking head in hand, it seems to me Dr. Altman's thesis that Kittim was a universally pejorative term involves some circularity in argument, since a fair reading of Ant. 1.128 shows no insulting content, unless one approaches this passage with a prior thesis that all references to Kittim