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On Fri, 28 May 2021 at 17:29, mike smith wrote: > Who was the vendor? Seems to be omitted from all the articles I saw > Civica International > Mike > > On Fri, May 28, 2021, 13:24 Greg Keogh wrote: > >> For those interested in this story, here is some new information >>> regarding the

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> > For those interested in this story, here is some new information regarding > the audit: > > https://www.audit.vic.gov.au/report/implementing-a-new-infringements-management-system > I found the following quote from the article particularly interesting: > > > *"DJCS expected VIEW to deliver 90

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around cost/time/effort, in order to get >>>> funding approved). SMEs need to play their part in ensuring that the right >>>> level of information goes to PMs, in the broader context of “getting stuff >>>> done” >>>> >>>> >>>>

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on goes to PMs, in the broader context of “getting stuff >>> done” >>> >>> >>> >>> Regards >>> >>> Ken >>> >>> >>> >>> *From:* ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com *On >>> Behalf Of *g...@greglow.co

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ormation goes to PMs, in the broader context of “getting stuff >> done” >> >> >> >> Regards >> >> Ken >> >> >> >> *From:* ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com *On >> Behalf Of *g...@greglow.com >> *Sent:* Monday, 28 October 2019 9

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Of g...@greglow.com Sent: Monday, 28 October 2019 9:20 AM To: 'ozDotNet' Subject: RE: [OT] Fines Victoria crisis deepens I think one of the biggest issues is that so many project managers still think you can plan IT projects like you plan building a bridge. The difference with a bridge

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everyone has an incentive to downplay cost, and upsell benefits >>>5. Technological cost estimates can be done relatively accurately, >>>but large-scale projects include significant organisational change which >>> is >>>much harder to estimate/cost up

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chaefer Sent: Sunday, 27 October 2019 9:38 PM To: ozDotNet Subject: RE: [OT] Fines Victoria crisis deepens Depends on how your measure success. By the typical bottom-line, most projects aren’t “successes”. However, lots of organisations have: a. Arbitrary limits on how much contingency can

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zdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com<mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com> mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com>> On Behalf Of mike smith Sent: Wednesday, 23 October 2019 12:45 PM To: ozDotNet mailto:ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com>> Subject: Re: [OT] Fines Victoria crisis deepens Success stories

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: [OT] Fines Victoria crisis deepens Yep MyKi chewed up $2.6B locally, and yep we note that NASA put Curiosity on Mars for $2B, but worth also noting was that within that budget, NASA invented and deployed the Sky Crane. Regards, Greg Dr Greg Low SQL Down Under Pty Ltd Mobile: +61419201410

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That is a feature mate On Thu, 24 Oct 2019 at 13:48, David Connors wrote: > On Thu, 24 Oct 2019 at 11:49, Greg Low wrote: > >> Friend of mine was driving buses in Brisbane. He said when they first >> deployed GoCard, they couldn't get things like sensitivities right. He'd >> drive past a bus

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On Thu, 24 Oct 2019 at 11:49, Greg Low wrote: > Friend of mine was driving buses in Brisbane. He said when they first > deployed GoCard, they couldn't get things like sensitivities right. He'd > drive past a bus stop and it would charge everyone standing there. > > We did not need to learn all

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> All these projects are simply ways to shift public money into private > hands, usually the mates of whoever is in government. Waste is the last > thing on their minds. > Don't poor plebs like us get some "trickle down" ;-) *GK* >

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- > *From:* ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com on behalf of DotNet Dude < > adotnetd...@gmail.com> > *Sent:* Thursday, October 24, 2019 10:53 am > *To:* ozDotNet > *Subject:* Re: [OT] Fines Victoria crisis deepens > > Myki is another product bought from overseas I hear

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2019 11:49 AM *To:* ozDotNet *Subject:* Re: [OT] Fines Victoria crisis deepens ViC basically built their own. NSW also built their own, then trashed it and bought Opal. QLD also built their own (GoCard). It's all stunning waste in unnecessary redesign. These were already well known technologies

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From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com on behalf of DotNet Dude Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2019 10:53 am To: ozDotNet Subject: Re: [OT] Fines Victoria crisis deepens Myki is another product bought from overseas I heard. From one of the Scandinavian countries I think. Managed by NTTData from

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From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com on behalf of David Connors Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2019 11:02 am To: ozDotNet Subject: Re: [OT] Fines Victoria crisis deepens Dunno how you spend 1.5 bln on an 'off the shelf' solution. Speaking of IT stuff ups, they just installed NBN in our

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Dunno how you spend 1.5 bln on an 'off the shelf' solution. Speaking of IT stuff ups, they just installed NBN in our building in Spring Hill (CBD Brisbane) last week. The fibre comes into the building probably 5-6 metres max from the pit. They pulled the fibre into the MDF which is at the front

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Myki is another product bought from overseas I heard. From one of the Scandinavian countries I think. Managed by NTTData from memory, could be wrong, don’t quote me. On Thu, 24 Oct 2019 at 10:42, David Connors wrote: > Myki in Vic should get a notable mention... ticketing system for trams > and

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Myki in Vic should get a notable mention... ticketing system for trams and trains that was the same price as building sending a couple of Opportunity Rovers to Mars. David Connors da...@connors.com | M +61 417 189 363 Telegram: https://t.me/davidconnors LinkedIn:

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It's not just Victoria. The QLD government IT projects 9ver recent years have also been rolled gold catastrophes On Wed, 23 Oct. 2019, 11:24 am Greg Keogh, wrote: > Interesting front page article in The Age newspaper today >

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Old .net framework c# upgraded from the original system written around 2004 with heavy use of poorly written sql server sprocs. All hosted locally in IIS. Crystal reports. Apparently the main issues are with several batch processing windows services. All c# and all poorly written. God classes

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Ah interesting! Do you know what languages and platforms were involved? *GK* I actually know someone who worked on the system at Civica. The system was > an old legacy system from the UK which they butchered to fit the very vague > requirements from the Fines Vic. > >

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.me From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com On Behalf Of mike smith Sent: Wednesday, 23 October 2019 12:45 PM To: ozDotNet Subject: Re: [OT] Fines Victoria crisis deepens Success stories don't seem to make it into MSM. pity, because you'd think there's more successful outcomes than failures

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Manual intervention by local staff until they outsource that to India as well. And the data center On Wed, Oct 23, 2019, 14:20 DotNet Dude wrote: > I actually know someone who worked on the system at Civica. The system was > an old legacy system from the UK which they butchered to fit the very

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I actually know someone who worked on the system at Civica. The system was an old legacy system from the UK which they butchered to fit the very vague requirements from the Fines Vic. The system is now overly complex and full of bugs. Several components like the payment arrangement functionality

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I'd say the Dept of ed case is still going, which is why no media coverage. On Wed, 23 Oct 2019, 12:24 pm Greg Keogh, wrote: > Interesting front page article in The Age newspaper today >

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Success stories don't seem to make it into MSM. pity, because you'd think there's more successful outcomes than failures On Wed, Oct 23, 2019, 12:24 Greg Keogh wrote: > Interesting front page article in The Age newspaper today >

[OT] Fines Victoria crisis deepens

Interesting front page article in The Age newspaper today about a Victorian government IT disaster. IT disasters are routine (I'm sure we've all caused a few!)