RE: Use a newtwork share as the source for a document library
Remote desktop (citrix etc) will not have latency...files never leave the network. From: ozmoss-boun...@ozmoss.com [mailto:ozmoss-boun...@ozmoss.com] On Behalf Of Paul Noone Sent: Tuesday, 19 August 2014 3:27 PM To: ozMOSS Subject: RE: Use a newtwork share as the source for a document library I was hoping to a void a third-party solution, Ishai, but the DocAve solution does look very good. Nothing's going to solve latency when off-network. I might look at demoing both and will let you know. From: ozmoss-boun...@ozmoss.commailto:ozmoss-boun...@ozmoss.com [mailto:ozmoss-boun...@ozmoss.com] On Behalf Of Victor Isakov Sent: Tuesday, 19 August 2014 1:40 PM To: 'ozMOSS' Subject: RE: Use a newtwork share as the source for a document library Which is why I suggested Drop Box. Offsite back = good Over the Internet access from virtually all popular O/Ss = good And it integrates into NASs, file servers, etc seamlessly without affecting what you do at the SPS level or anything else. But I completely understand if a business does not want to due to IP / security concerns... Wait until your whole 2TB storage solution fails / corrupts :) I'll be curious what you end up doing in the end. NetApp also have solutions in this space (they OEM AvePoint anyway) From: ozmoss-boun...@ozmoss.commailto:ozmoss-boun...@ozmoss.com [mailto:ozmoss-boun...@ozmoss.com] On Behalf Of Ishai Sagi Sent: Tuesday, 19 August 2014 1:20 PM To: ozMOSS Subject: Re: Use a newtwork share as the source for a document library Looks like the solution i suggested- which doesn't solve your over-the-internet problem. Thanks, Ishai Sagi Extelligent Design www.extelligentdesign.comhttp://www.extelligentdesign.com Sent from my phone +61 488 789 786 On 19 Aug 2014, at 13:16, Paul Noone p.no...@keller.com.aumailto:p.no...@keller.com.au wrote: Bamboo Solutions have a 2013 solution that does what I want - File Share Library. http://store.bamboosolutions.com/sharepoint-file-share-library.aspx The ability to specify a connection for each library is hard to beat. Would love to know how they achieved this... From: ozmoss-boun...@ozmoss.commailto:ozmoss-boun...@ozmoss.com [mailto:ozmoss-boun...@ozmoss.com] On Behalf Of Paul Noone Sent: Tuesday, 19 August 2014 12:52 PM To: ozMOSS Subject: RE: Use a newtwork share as the source for a document library We don't want any third party solutions or off-site storage. From what I can find (and information is hard to come by) I can bind the BDC model to an assembly, which means I can write custom actions for file interactions. Is it hard just to expose them as a list (filename,size,modified date) and allow download/upload capabilities? Regards, Paul From: ozmoss-boun...@ozmoss.commailto:ozmoss-boun...@ozmoss.com [mailto:ozmoss-boun...@ozmoss.com] On Behalf Of Victor Isakov Sent: Tuesday, 19 August 2014 12:43 PM To: 'ozMOSS' Subject: RE: Use a newtwork share as the source for a document library What about something like DropBox? From: ozmoss-boun...@ozmoss.commailto:ozmoss-boun...@ozmoss.com [mailto:ozmoss-boun...@ozmoss.com] On Behalf Of Paul Noone Sent: Tuesday, 19 August 2014 12:25 PM To: ozMOSS Subject: RE: Use a newtwork share as the source for a document library SharePoint is available over the Internet. I mean when the user is not directly connected to the network. I agree speed will be an issue. But this is more about providing remote access when required. They need read/write capability. I've never seen an example of a BDC connected list in action so don't even know what it can and can't do. Regards, Paul From: ozmoss-boun...@ozmoss.commailto:ozmoss-boun...@ozmoss.com [mailto:ozmoss-boun...@ozmoss.com] On Behalf Of Ishai Sagi Sent: Tuesday, 19 August 2014 12:10 PM To: ozMOSS Subject: RE: Use a newtwork share as the source for a document library If the user is off the network, doesn't that mean that sharepoint will not be available either? Or is sharepoint available through the internet - which only raises more worries - a CAD file would make a dent in most download allowances, not to mention potential speed issues with the uplink... I think a RemoteDesktop is a better solution for a situation like this. From: ozmoss-boun...@ozmoss.commailto:ozmoss-boun...@ozmoss.com [mailto:ozmoss-boun...@ozmoss.com] On Behalf Of Paul Noone Sent: Tuesday, 19 August 2014 11:40 AM To: ozMOSS Subject: RE: Use a newtwork share as the source for a document library Thank Victor. I couldn't agree with you more! So much damn contradictory info. And thanks for the explanation, Ishai. All the files already exist on a file share. Users download large files to their system to work on to avoid network latency. My goal is simply to give them access to this file share when they are off the network. I'm assuming a business data connector to SharePoint will allow this to happen by managing the connection itself. Please let me know if I'm wrong. Regards, Paul From:
RE: Use a newtwork share as the source for a document library
Hmmm: Looks like it's no longer a free product. That's a shame: (Only had a very quick look.) DocAve 5 Extender was a free product when I talked about RBS at a some conference a couple of years back: http://www.avepoint.com/news/2010/02/24/avepoint-introduces-free-tool-for-sh arepoint-blob-management/ http://www.avepoint.com/assets/pdf/doc5/DocAve_Extender_v5_Datasheet.pdf Looks like the product has morphed into DocAve 6 Storage Manager. Ouch! But not unexpected I suppose. http://www.avepoint.com/assets/pdf/doc6/DocAve_Storage_Manager_for_SharePoin t_Storage_Management.pdf Perhaps you can still use the free product? The quicker the SharePoint team integrate with the full feature stack of SQL Server, and start using things like FILETABLE the better: From: ozmoss-boun...@ozmoss.com [mailto:ozmoss-boun...@ozmoss.com] On Behalf Of Paul Noone Sent: Tuesday, 19 August 2014 3:27 PM To: ozMOSS Subject: RE: Use a newtwork share as the source for a document library I was hoping to a void a third-party solution, Ishai, but the DocAve solution does look very good. Nothing's going to solve latency when off-network. I might look at demoing both and will let you know. From: ozmoss-boun...@ozmoss.com mailto:ozmoss-boun...@ozmoss.com [mailto:ozmoss-boun...@ozmoss.com] On Behalf Of Victor Isakov Sent: Tuesday, 19 August 2014 1:40 PM To: 'ozMOSS' Subject: RE: Use a newtwork share as the source for a document library Which is why I suggested Drop Box. Offsite back = good Over the Internet access from virtually all popular O/Ss = good And it integrates into NASs, file servers, etc seamlessly without affecting what you do at the SPS level or anything else. But I completely understand if a business does not want to due to IP / security concerns: Wait until your whole 2TB storage solution fails / corrupts :) I'll be curious what you end up doing in the end. NetApp also have solutions in this space (they OEM AvePoint anyway) From: mailto:ozmoss-boun...@ozmoss.com ozmoss-boun...@ozmoss.com [ mailto:ozmoss-boun...@ozmoss.com mailto:ozmoss-boun...@ozmoss.com] On Behalf Of Ishai Sagi Sent: Tuesday, 19 August 2014 1:20 PM To: ozMOSS Subject: Re: Use a newtwork share as the source for a document library Looks like the solution i suggested- which doesn't solve your over-the-internet problem. Thanks, Ishai Sagi Extelligent Design www.extelligentdesign.com http://www.extelligentdesign.com Sent from my phone +61 488 789 786 On 19 Aug 2014, at 13:16, Paul Noone p.no...@keller.com.au wrote: Bamboo Solutions have a 2013 solution that does what I want - File Share Library. http://store.bamboosolutions.com/sharepoint-file-share-library.aspx The ability to specify a connection for each library is hard to beat. Would love to know how they achieved this: From: mailto:ozmoss-boun...@ozmoss.com ozmoss-boun...@ozmoss.com [ mailto:ozmoss-boun...@ozmoss.com mailto:ozmoss-boun...@ozmoss.com] On Behalf Of Paul Noone Sent: Tuesday, 19 August 2014 12:52 PM To: ozMOSS Subject: RE: Use a newtwork share as the source for a document library We don't want any third party solutions or off-site storage. From what I can find (and information is hard to come by) I can bind the BDC model to an assembly, which means I can write custom actions for file interactions. Is it hard just to expose them as a list (filename,size,modified date) and allow download/upload capabilities? Regards, Paul From: mailto:ozmoss-boun...@ozmoss.com ozmoss-boun...@ozmoss.com [ mailto:ozmoss-boun...@ozmoss.com mailto:ozmoss-boun...@ozmoss.com] On Behalf Of Victor Isakov Sent: Tuesday, 19 August 2014 12:43 PM To: 'ozMOSS' Subject: RE: Use a newtwork share as the source for a document library What about something like DropBox? From: mailto:ozmoss-boun...@ozmoss.com ozmoss-boun...@ozmoss.com [ mailto:ozmoss-boun...@ozmoss.com mailto:ozmoss-boun...@ozmoss.com] On Behalf Of Paul Noone Sent: Tuesday, 19 August 2014 12:25 PM To: ozMOSS Subject: RE: Use a newtwork share as the source for a document library SharePoint is available over the Internet. I mean when the user is not directly connected to the network. I agree speed will be an issue. But this is more about providing remote access when required. They need read/write capability. I've never seen an example of a BDC connected list in action so don't even know what it can and can't do. Regards, Paul From: mailto:ozmoss-boun...@ozmoss.com ozmoss-boun...@ozmoss.com [ mailto:ozmoss-boun...@ozmoss.com mailto:ozmoss-boun...@ozmoss.com] On Behalf Of Ishai Sagi Sent: Tuesday, 19 August 2014 12:10 PM To: ozMOSS Subject: RE: Use a newtwork share as the source for a document library If the user is off the network, doesn't that mean that sharepoint will not be available either? Or is sharepoint available through the internet - which only raises more worries - a CAD file would make a dent in most download
RE: Use a newtwork share as the source for a document library
Yeah, I keep hoping MS will play catch-up with each new version but I can't really wait that long. :) Citrix desktop cannot achieve what we want apparently. There's a limitation with the wauy it handles profiles. Yey strangely they offerr what we need as an app for iOS and Android. Sadly that doesn't help me. I'll keep tinkering and see what I can do. Ishai, I will no doubt need your elite coding skills if I go the custom connector route! From: ozmoss-boun...@ozmoss.com [mailto:ozmoss-boun...@ozmoss.com] On Behalf Of Victor Isakov Sent: Tuesday, 19 August 2014 4:08 PM To: 'ozMOSS' Subject: RE: Use a newtwork share as the source for a document library Hmmm... Looks like it's no longer a free product. That's a shame... (Only had a very quick look.) DocAve 5 Extender was a free product when I talked about RBS at a some conference a couple of years back: http://www.avepoint.com/news/2010/02/24/avepoint-introduces-free-tool-for-sharepoint-blob-management/ http://www.avepoint.com/assets/pdf/doc5/DocAve_Extender_v5_Datasheet.pdf Looks like the product has morphed into DocAve 6 Storage Manager. Ouch! But not unexpected I suppose. http://www.avepoint.com/assets/pdf/doc6/DocAve_Storage_Manager_for_SharePoint_Storage_Management.pdf Perhaps you can still use the free product? The quicker the SharePoint team integrate with the full feature stack of SQL Server, and start using things like FILETABLE the better... From: ozmoss-boun...@ozmoss.commailto:ozmoss-boun...@ozmoss.com [mailto:ozmoss-boun...@ozmoss.com] On Behalf Of Paul Noone Sent: Tuesday, 19 August 2014 3:27 PM To: ozMOSS Subject: RE: Use a newtwork share as the source for a document library I was hoping to a void a third-party solution, Ishai, but the DocAve solution does look very good. Nothing's going to solve latency when off-network. I might look at demoing both and will let you know. From: ozmoss-boun...@ozmoss.commailto:ozmoss-boun...@ozmoss.com [mailto:ozmoss-boun...@ozmoss.com] On Behalf Of Victor Isakov Sent: Tuesday, 19 August 2014 1:40 PM To: 'ozMOSS' Subject: RE: Use a newtwork share as the source for a document library Which is why I suggested Drop Box. Offsite back = good Over the Internet access from virtually all popular O/Ss = good And it integrates into NASs, file servers, etc seamlessly without affecting what you do at the SPS level or anything else. But I completely understand if a business does not want to due to IP / security concerns... Wait until your whole 2TB storage solution fails / corrupts :) I'll be curious what you end up doing in the end. NetApp also have solutions in this space (they OEM AvePoint anyway) From: ozmoss-boun...@ozmoss.commailto:ozmoss-boun...@ozmoss.com [mailto:ozmoss-boun...@ozmoss.com] On Behalf Of Ishai Sagi Sent: Tuesday, 19 August 2014 1:20 PM To: ozMOSS Subject: Re: Use a newtwork share as the source for a document library Looks like the solution i suggested- which doesn't solve your over-the-internet problem. Thanks, Ishai Sagi Extelligent Design www.extelligentdesign.comhttp://www.extelligentdesign.com Sent from my phone +61 488 789 786 On 19 Aug 2014, at 13:16, Paul Noone p.no...@keller.com.aumailto:p.no...@keller.com.au wrote: Bamboo Solutions have a 2013 solution that does what I want - File Share Library. http://store.bamboosolutions.com/sharepoint-file-share-library.aspx The ability to specify a connection for each library is hard to beat. Would love to know how they achieved this... From: ozmoss-boun...@ozmoss.commailto:ozmoss-boun...@ozmoss.com [mailto:ozmoss-boun...@ozmoss.com] On Behalf Of Paul Noone Sent: Tuesday, 19 August 2014 12:52 PM To: ozMOSS Subject: RE: Use a newtwork share as the source for a document library We don't want any third party solutions or off-site storage. From what I can find (and information is hard to come by) I can bind the BDC model to an assembly, which means I can write custom actions for file interactions. Is it hard just to expose them as a list (filename,size,modified date) and allow download/upload capabilities? Regards, Paul From: ozmoss-boun...@ozmoss.commailto:ozmoss-boun...@ozmoss.com [mailto:ozmoss-boun...@ozmoss.com] On Behalf Of Victor Isakov Sent: Tuesday, 19 August 2014 12:43 PM To: 'ozMOSS' Subject: RE: Use a newtwork share as the source for a document library What about something like DropBox? From: ozmoss-boun...@ozmoss.commailto:ozmoss-boun...@ozmoss.com [mailto:ozmoss-boun...@ozmoss.com] On Behalf Of Paul Noone Sent: Tuesday, 19 August 2014 12:25 PM To: ozMOSS Subject: RE: Use a newtwork share as the source for a document library SharePoint is available over the Internet. I mean when the user is not directly connected to the network. I agree speed will be an issue. But this is more about providing remote access when required. They need read/write capability. I've never seen an example of a BDC connected list in action so don't even know what it can and can't do. Regards, Paul From:
RE: Use a newtwork share as the source for a document library
It's not encouraging to see that the last post on the Microsoft Business Connectivity Services Team Bloghttp://blogs.msdn.com/b/bcs/ was over 4 years ago. SO are all the examples I've found. :\ This example is the best I could find but it only includes read operations. http://pholpar.wordpress.com/2010/09/19/publishing-files-stored-in-the-file-system-through-external-list/ But I can't find any examples on how to create, copy and delete. Is it even supported? Any assistance would be greatly appreciated. Seems like it should all happen in System.IO.FileInfo. I'd also like to return the file size but it looks like Int64 is unsupported for external lists, at least as of SP2010. From: ozmoss-boun...@ozmoss.com [mailto:ozmoss-boun...@ozmoss.com] On Behalf Of Paul Noone Sent: Wednesday, 20 August 2014 8:13 AM To: ozMOSS Subject: RE: Use a newtwork share as the source for a document library Yeah, I keep hoping MS will play catch-up with each new version but I can't really wait that long. :) Citrix desktop cannot achieve what we want apparently. There's a limitation with the wauy it handles profiles. Yey strangely they offerr what we need as an app for iOS and Android. Sadly that doesn't help me. I'll keep tinkering and see what I can do. Ishai, I will no doubt need your elite coding skills if I go the custom connector route! From: ozmoss-boun...@ozmoss.commailto:ozmoss-boun...@ozmoss.com [mailto:ozmoss-boun...@ozmoss.com] On Behalf Of Victor Isakov Sent: Tuesday, 19 August 2014 4:08 PM To: 'ozMOSS' Subject: RE: Use a newtwork share as the source for a document library Hmmm... Looks like it's no longer a free product. That's a shame... (Only had a very quick look.) DocAve 5 Extender was a free product when I talked about RBS at a some conference a couple of years back: http://www.avepoint.com/news/2010/02/24/avepoint-introduces-free-tool-for-sharepoint-blob-management/ http://www.avepoint.com/assets/pdf/doc5/DocAve_Extender_v5_Datasheet.pdf Looks like the product has morphed into DocAve 6 Storage Manager. Ouch! But not unexpected I suppose. http://www.avepoint.com/assets/pdf/doc6/DocAve_Storage_Manager_for_SharePoint_Storage_Management.pdf Perhaps you can still use the free product? The quicker the SharePoint team integrate with the full feature stack of SQL Server, and start using things like FILETABLE the better... From: ozmoss-boun...@ozmoss.commailto:ozmoss-boun...@ozmoss.com [mailto:ozmoss-boun...@ozmoss.com] On Behalf Of Paul Noone Sent: Tuesday, 19 August 2014 3:27 PM To: ozMOSS Subject: RE: Use a newtwork share as the source for a document library I was hoping to a void a third-party solution, Ishai, but the DocAve solution does look very good. Nothing's going to solve latency when off-network. I might look at demoing both and will let you know. From: ozmoss-boun...@ozmoss.commailto:ozmoss-boun...@ozmoss.com [mailto:ozmoss-boun...@ozmoss.com] On Behalf Of Victor Isakov Sent: Tuesday, 19 August 2014 1:40 PM To: 'ozMOSS' Subject: RE: Use a newtwork share as the source for a document library Which is why I suggested Drop Box. Offsite back = good Over the Internet access from virtually all popular O/Ss = good And it integrates into NASs, file servers, etc seamlessly without affecting what you do at the SPS level or anything else. But I completely understand if a business does not want to due to IP / security concerns... Wait until your whole 2TB storage solution fails / corrupts :) I'll be curious what you end up doing in the end. NetApp also have solutions in this space (they OEM AvePoint anyway) From: ozmoss-boun...@ozmoss.commailto:ozmoss-boun...@ozmoss.com [mailto:ozmoss-boun...@ozmoss.com] On Behalf Of Ishai Sagi Sent: Tuesday, 19 August 2014 1:20 PM To: ozMOSS Subject: Re: Use a newtwork share as the source for a document library Looks like the solution i suggested- which doesn't solve your over-the-internet problem. Thanks, Ishai Sagi Extelligent Design www.extelligentdesign.comhttp://www.extelligentdesign.com Sent from my phone +61 488 789 786 On 19 Aug 2014, at 13:16, Paul Noone p.no...@keller.com.aumailto:p.no...@keller.com.au wrote: Bamboo Solutions have a 2013 solution that does what I want - File Share Library. http://store.bamboosolutions.com/sharepoint-file-share-library.aspx The ability to specify a connection for each library is hard to beat. Would love to know how they achieved this... From: ozmoss-boun...@ozmoss.commailto:ozmoss-boun...@ozmoss.com [mailto:ozmoss-boun...@ozmoss.com] On Behalf Of Paul Noone Sent: Tuesday, 19 August 2014 12:52 PM To: ozMOSS Subject: RE: Use a newtwork share as the source for a document library We don't want any third party solutions or off-site storage. From what I can find (and information is hard to come by) I can bind the BDC model to an assembly, which means I can write custom actions for file interactions. Is it hard just to expose them as a list (filename,size,modified date) and allow
