[VOTE] [-1] P5EE without Repository and Widget

2002-08-29 Thread James Duncan
Throwing in my 2c. -1 for me. P5EE, along with Certification, is the third rail of Perl: touch it and die. Enterprise computing platforms are a tad more than then web. While I applaud Stephen's efforts to get something out of the door, the result doesn't feel right. If I could quantify it, I

Re: [VOTE] [Discuss] P5EE without Repository and Widget

2002-08-29 Thread Nigel Hamilton
Throwing in my 2c. -1 for me. P5EE, along with Certification, is the third rail of Perl: touch it and die. Enterprise computing platforms are a tad more than then web. What do you mean by 'touch it and die'? Is it some sort of 'boogie man'? While I applaud Stephen's efforts to get

[Fwd: Re: [VOTE] [Discuss] P5EE without Repository and Widget]

2002-08-29 Thread James Duncan
This should have gone to the list as well ---BeginMessage--- On Thu, 2002-08-29 at 21:40, Nigel Hamilton wrote: What do you mean by 'touch it and die'? Is it some sort of 'boogie man'? Yes, it is a boogie man. As yet I've not seen any general consensus on what p5ee actually should

Re: [Fwd: Re: [VOTE] [Discuss] P5EE without Repository and Widget]

2002-08-29 Thread Rob Nagler
James Duncan writes: Yes, it is a boogie man. As yet I've not seen any general consensus on what p5ee actually should do; it seems a little premature for voting on a code-base for the *enterprise* edition of Perl. What about Java's write once, run anywhere. It still isn't true. Marketing is

Re: [Fwd: Re: [VOTE] [Discuss] P5EE without Repository and Widget]

2002-08-29 Thread Adam Turoff
On Thu, Aug 29, 2002 at 05:02:39PM +0100, James Duncan wrote: On Thu, 2002-08-29 at 21:40, Nigel Hamilton wrote: What do you mean by 'touch it and die'? Is it some sort of 'boogie man'? Yes, it is a boogie man. As yet I've not seen any general consensus on what p5ee actually should

Re: [Fwd: Re: [VOTE] [Discuss] P5EE without Repository and Widget]

2002-08-29 Thread James Duncan
On Thu, 2002-08-29 at 17:52, Rob Nagler wrote: James Duncan writes: Yes, it is a boogie man. As yet I've not seen any general consensus on what p5ee actually should do; it seems a little premature for voting on a code-base for the *enterprise* edition of Perl. What about Java's write

[VOTE] [-1] P5EE without Repository and Widget

2002-08-29 Thread wsheldah
I don't think it makes much sense to have a code base called P5EE. That's just not the way the perl community works. Perl is too flexible to be put into a straitjacket like this. And forward motion is not by itself justification of forward motion. Standing still can be better than going in the

Re: [Fwd: Re: [VOTE] [Discuss] P5EE without Repository and Widget]

2002-08-29 Thread Nigel Hamilton
James Duncan writes: Yes, it is a boogie man. As yet I've not seen any general consensus on what p5ee actually should do; it seems a little premature for voting on a code-base for the *enterprise* edition of Perl. What about Java's write once, run anywhere. It still isn't true.

Re: [Fwd: Re: [VOTE] [Discuss] P5EE without Repository and Widget]

2002-08-29 Thread Rob Nagler
James Duncan writes: But who is going to market P5EE? No one, but it still has to have a name. P5EEx::Blue is just too hard to pronounce. is all valid stuff -- I don't think however, that it can become the signed, sealed and certified P5EE. Who has the authority to sign, seal and deliver

Re: [Fwd: Re: [VOTE] [Discuss] P5EE without Repository and Widget]

2002-08-29 Thread Rob Nagler
Adam Turoff writes: From that page, I don't see any concrete details on what features are found in an enterprise system, which of those features are lacking in Perl today (if any), and why this lack of features needs to be addressed with P5EE. In J2EE, they have tried hard to provide: