Re: SV: SV: Apple's iPhone 7 WILL dump the headphone socket | DailyMail Online
No argument from me, I'm only going on what audio profoessionals are telling me. Again I don't know whether its country specific or not but less hearing instrument models are bening manufactured with T-Coil facilities or physical connections and we've discussed some of the reasons for that here already so no point going over it again. As far as mr Mosen is concerned? He's entitled to his view just like we all are. On 13/03/2016 5:22 PM, André van Deventer wrote: Dane A few points. I do not know where you get the idea that induction loop systems are being phased out. Definitely not in developing countries. I will not go further into this matter as it is beyond the scope of this list. Jonathan motion stated quite correctly that the most ifficient way to connect hearing aids to any audio source is by using direct cabling. Most wireless systems seem to have latency issues - that is most definitely the case with Bluetooth. Finally - all the hearing aid manufacturers that make hearing aids with wireless capability make ones without this extra. However, they have an induction loop coil in them and also have the ability to fit some kind of adaptor to enable direct audio input. In developing countries which as far as I know still comprises most of the world you will find that people wear the cheaper modelsof hearing aids mostly as this is all that you can get. I am very fortunate that I am on a good medical plan which can assist me to purchase the right equipment. But this is not the case for most people in Eastern Europe, South America and Asia. -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane Trethowan Sent: 11 March 2016 10:49 PM To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: SV: SV: Apple's iPhone 7 WILL dump the headphone socket | DailyMail Online Okay well Bluetooth is certainly not in the luxury hearing instruments, its common place in hearing isntruments now as other technologies are being fazed out such as induction. I've been using Bluetooth hearing instruments now for over 6 years, they were bolky affairs at first requiring a whole heap of connection boxes and adapters but now? Well the typical hearing instruments have Bluetooth built right into them ready and raring to go. Other wireless technologies can be used with hearing instruments when Bluetooth isn't the answer. As far as Apple not caring about Hearing Instruments? May I suggest you read the documents on the Web that talk in detail about the commitment and consideration Apple has given to the users of Hearing Instruments, Deaf and Deaf-blind people. I should also point out that we in Australia are extremely fortunate at present when it comes to hearing instruments as those on a low income can have their hearing instruments funded which I did at one time though I've since moved to a private fitter as there is obviously more choice available. On 11/03/2016 5:49 PM, André van Deventer wrote: Exactly How are you supposed to connect something like a neck induction loop to such a device? Yes some of the rolls Royce hearing aids have wireless connectivity but very few people have the money to purchase them. But I suppose this segment of the market is so small that Apple does not really care. -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Mary Otten Sent: 10 March 2016 11:50 PM To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: SV: SV: Apple's iPhone 7 WILL dump the headphone socket | DailyMail Online The problem with all this forward thinking is that it leaves the hearing impaired out. Jonathan Mosen has done some very good writing on this topic. I personally have the equipment to deal with the loss of the headphone jack. But in thinking of what it will mean for others, I think it is a stupid idea at this time and, if it is just to make the damned phone a hair thinner, it is clearly not worth it and is just another money-making angle for Apple. But this one is coming at the expense of a fairly large and growing segment of the population. Mary --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -- ** Those who don't need help are prepared to help themselves
RE: SV: SV: Apple's iPhone 7 WILL dump the headphone socket | DailyMail Online
Dane A few points. I do not know where you get the idea that induction loop systems are being phased out. Definitely not in developing countries. I will not go further into this matter as it is beyond the scope of this list. Jonathan motion stated quite correctly that the most ifficient way to connect hearing aids to any audio source is by using direct cabling. Most wireless systems seem to have latency issues - that is most definitely the case with Bluetooth. Finally - all the hearing aid manufacturers that make hearing aids with wireless capability make ones without this extra. However, they have an induction loop coil in them and also have the ability to fit some kind of adaptor to enable direct audio input. In developing countries which as far as I know still comprises most of the world you will find that people wear the cheaper modelsof hearing aids mostly as this is all that you can get. I am very fortunate that I am on a good medical plan which can assist me to purchase the right equipment. But this is not the case for most people in Eastern Europe, South America and Asia. -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane Trethowan Sent: 11 March 2016 10:49 PM To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: SV: SV: Apple's iPhone 7 WILL dump the headphone socket | DailyMail Online Okay well Bluetooth is certainly not in the luxury hearing instruments, its common place in hearing isntruments now as other technologies are being fazed out such as induction. I've been using Bluetooth hearing instruments now for over 6 years, they were bolky affairs at first requiring a whole heap of connection boxes and adapters but now? Well the typical hearing instruments have Bluetooth built right into them ready and raring to go. Other wireless technologies can be used with hearing instruments when Bluetooth isn't the answer. As far as Apple not caring about Hearing Instruments? May I suggest you read the documents on the Web that talk in detail about the commitment and consideration Apple has given to the users of Hearing Instruments, Deaf and Deaf-blind people. I should also point out that we in Australia are extremely fortunate at present when it comes to hearing instruments as those on a low income can have their hearing instruments funded which I did at one time though I've since moved to a private fitter as there is obviously more choice available. On 11/03/2016 5:49 PM, André van Deventer wrote: > Exactly > > How are you supposed to connect something like a neck induction loop > to such a device? > > Yes some of the rolls Royce hearing aids have wireless connectivity > but very few people have the money to purchase them. > > But I suppose this segment of the market is so small that Apple does > not really care. > > > > -Original Message- > From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of > Mary Otten > Sent: 10 March 2016 11:50 PM > To: PC Audio Discussion List > Subject: Re: SV: SV: Apple's iPhone 7 WILL dump the headphone socket | > DailyMail Online > > The problem with all this forward thinking is that it leaves the > hearing impaired out. Jonathan Mosen has done some very good writing on this topic. > I personally have the equipment to deal with the loss of the headphone jack. > But in thinking of what it will mean for others, I think it is a > stupid idea at this time and, if it is just to make the damned phone a > hair thinner, it is clearly not worth it and is just another money-making angle for Apple. > But this one is coming at the expense of a fairly large and growing > segment of the population. > > Mary > > > > > --- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > https://www.avast.com/antivirus > > > -- ** Those who don't need help are prepared to help themselves --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus
Re: SV: SV: Apple's iPhone 7 WILL dump the headphone socket | DailyMail Online
Okay well Bluetooth is certainly not in the luxury hearing instruments, its common place in hearing isntruments now as other technologies are being fazed out such as induction. I've been using Bluetooth hearing instruments now for over 6 years, they were bolky affairs at first requiring a whole heap of connection boxes and adapters but now? Well the typical hearing instruments have Bluetooth built right into them ready and raring to go. Other wireless technologies can be used with hearing instruments when Bluetooth isn't the answer. As far as Apple not caring about Hearing Instruments? May I suggest you read the documents on the Web that talk in detail about the commitment and consideration Apple has given to the users of Hearing Instruments, Deaf and Deaf-blind people. I should also point out that we in Australia are extremely fortunate at present when it comes to hearing instruments as those on a low income can have their hearing instruments funded which I did at one time though I've since moved to a private fitter as there is obviously more choice available. On 11/03/2016 5:49 PM, André van Deventer wrote: Exactly How are you supposed to connect something like a neck induction loop to such a device? Yes some of the rolls Royce hearing aids have wireless connectivity but very few people have the money to purchase them. But I suppose this segment of the market is so small that Apple does not really care. -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Mary Otten Sent: 10 March 2016 11:50 PM To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: SV: SV: Apple's iPhone 7 WILL dump the headphone socket | DailyMail Online The problem with all this forward thinking is that it leaves the hearing impaired out. Jonathan Mosen has done some very good writing on this topic. I personally have the equipment to deal with the loss of the headphone jack. But in thinking of what it will mean for others, I think it is a stupid idea at this time and, if it is just to make the damned phone a hair thinner, it is clearly not worth it and is just another money-making angle for Apple. But this one is coming at the expense of a fairly large and growing segment of the population. Mary --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -- ** Those who don't need help are prepared to help themselves
RE: SV: SV: Apple's iPhone 7 WILL dump the headphone socket | DailyMail Online
Exactly How are you supposed to connect something like a neck induction loop to such a device? Yes some of the rolls Royce hearing aids have wireless connectivity but very few people have the money to purchase them. But I suppose this segment of the market is so small that Apple does not really care. -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Mary Otten Sent: 10 March 2016 11:50 PM To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: SV: SV: Apple's iPhone 7 WILL dump the headphone socket | DailyMail Online The problem with all this forward thinking is that it leaves the hearing impaired out. Jonathan Mosen has done some very good writing on this topic. I personally have the equipment to deal with the loss of the headphone jack. But in thinking of what it will mean for others, I think it is a stupid idea at this time and, if it is just to make the damned phone a hair thinner, it is clearly not worth it and is just another money-making angle for Apple. But this one is coming at the expense of a fairly large and growing segment of the population. Mary --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus
Re: SV: SV: Apple's iPhone 7 WILL dump the headphone socket | DailyMail Online
Well, here is a link to Jonathan's well-written post for those who want another perspective. I think he makes good points and I do not see the advantage at this time of dumping the jack. A lot of what ifs don't cut it, and really, vr audio? If the choice is between vr audio or some other equivalent of eye candy for the sighted, I'll take convenience and inclusivity. I know, that puts me in th minority. http://mosen.org/an-iphone-without-a-headphone-jack-the-accessibility-ra mifications/ Mary
Re: SV: SV: Apple's iPhone 7 WILL dump the headphone socket | DailyMail Online
It will be utterly superb if everyone does yes. On 11/03/2016 9:52 AM, Brian Olesen wrote: Hi Dane, We could hope that the vendors can agree on using the USB C connection. Broian -Oprindelig meddelelse- Fra: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] På vegne af Dane Trethowan Sendt: 10. marts 2016 23:13 Til: PC Audio Discussion List Emne: Re: SV: Apple's iPhone 7 WILL dump the headphone socket | DailyMail Online Hmm, interesting and that's about the time the USB C standard was launched so perhaps we'll see more of that in the future? The Nexus P6 smartphone already has the USB C connector as part of it. On 11/03/2016 8:56 AM, Brian Olesen wrote: HI, Actually it's old news, but here is an article from 2014 about it. Europe approves common charger standard for mobe-makers Apple and its proprietary Lightning rig may yet wriggle out of this one O2_uni_charger 17 Mar 2014 at 01:01, Simon Sharwood The European Parliament has signed off on its proposal to force mobile phone makers to adopt a common charging standard. The new regulation means that if mobe-makers' want to meet European standards for “radio equipment” they'll have to ensure their products will have to be chargeable using micro-USB. But there are ways out of the proposal: the communiqué about the vote on the issue says “... it will be up to the European Commission to decide which specific types of radio equipment will have to meet this requirement”. The vote also means that European Union members have two years in which to implement the regulation, with 2017 the target date for compliance by mobe-makers. That leaves plenty of time in which to lobby for exemptions. Most mobe-makers have moved to micro-USB charging, but the likes of Apple prefer their own arrangements on the basis that their technology is superior. With more and more of a phone's synching needs being met wirelessly and a single pin sufficing for charging over USB, just how Apple can dodge this one remains to be seen. If we assume Cupertino insists on its own standard, perhaps slipping an adaptor into the box for future sold-in-Euroland iDevices will do the trick. ® Brian -Oprindelig meddelelse- Fra: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] På vegne af Dane Trethowan Sendt: 10. marts 2016 20:37 Til: PC Audio Discussion List Emne: Re: Apple's iPhone 7 WILL dump the headphone socket | DailyMail Online Absolute twaddle and what regulations? Micro USB for mobile is now old hack, make way for USB C and Apple are already using that on their Macbook range so perhaps USB C will appear on iPhone in the future though I doubt the immediate future, too many Lightning dock devices out there. On 11 Mar 2016, at 6:33 AM, Brian Olesen <br...@blindkom.dk> wrote: HI, What I think is. They'll have to install a micro USB due to regulations in EU. They force all vendors to use the same standard for charging phones from I guess primo 2018. So maybe they'll keep the lightning connector and add an additional usb port. I'd also be happy for a micro SD card slot as an extra option like all the other brands have. Brian -Oprindelig meddelelse- Fra: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] På vegne af Hamit Campos Sendt: 10. marts 2016 20:21 Til: 'PC Audio Discussion List' Emne: RE: SV: SV: Apple's iPhone 7 WILL dump the headphone socket | DailyMail Online Hell to the yeah to that! -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Devin Prater Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 1:49 PM To: PC Audio Discussion List <pc-audio@pc-audio.org> Subject: Re: SV: SV: Apple's iPhone 7 WILL dump the headphone socket | DailyMail Online They're removing it to make more room for even better things. Would you want a serial port on your phone? Or a floppy or CD drive? Let's think different. Let's think of possibilities and the future. Sent from my iPhone On Mar 10, 2016, at 7:08 AM, Brian Olesen <br...@blindkom.dk> wrote: Hi, Yeah right. They can go fuck them selves. :-( Now I'll dig into the Android World to see how that works out ano 2016. Good god 1 millimeter. What does that matter? Brian -Oprindelig meddelelse- Fra: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] På vegne af Peter Scanlon Sendt: 10. marts 2016 13:15 Til: PC Audio Discussion List Emne: Re: SV: Apple's iPhone 7 WILL dump the headphone socket | DailyMail Online It reduces thickness by one millimetre. but they want to make more money by making us by their particular headphhone. From: Brian Olesen Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 10:03 PM To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' Subject: SV: Apple's iPhone 7 WILL dump the headphone socket | DailyMail Online Hi, It's a real shame. We are many, who like the analog style headphones so I'll skip this update and stay with 6S. Any reason why they're removing the plug? I mean they don't take up much space. Best regards Brian -Oprindelig meddelelse-
Re: SV: SV: Apple's iPhone 7 WILL dump the headphone socket | DailyMail Online
I beg to disagree with you Mary as I'm one of those hearing impaired people and Apple - as have the folk at Google - have done some really wonderful stuff when it comes to the incusion of deaf-blind people in the scheme of things. Bluetooth is an everyday word in the technology of deaf-blind people and hearing instruments these days, I'm on my third set of Bluetooth enabled hearing instruments and both Samsung Galaxy S6 and Apple iPhone 6S work a treat with these so I've no reason to think that the S7 won't be any different. Even when I'm not using Bluetooth with my mobile devices - which is most of the time by the way - the speaker can be made to go very loud with Voiceover and that's just one speaker, imagine what an iPhone would sound like with two? There are a lot of things one can customise with the iPhone to make life easier with hearing instruments, one can even control the hearing instrument with an iPhone, use the iPhone as a microphone for your hearing instruments - extremely handy when you're enjoying someone elses company at a table for two in a noisy environment -, send mono audio to your hearing instruments which can be useful for those who have better hearing in one ear than the other etc. Really the point here is that - if you want to use technology - then that technology is continually changing and evolving - in most cases for the better - so the user has two distinct choices, use what they're using which will eventually fall behind and be replaced or keep up with what's going on and accept the changes as they happen - that doesn't mean that one must have the latest devices on hand of course -. On 11/03/2016 8:49 AM, Mary Otten wrote: The problem with all this forward thinking is that it leaves the hearing impaired out. Jonathan Mosen has done some very good writing on this topic. I personally have the equipment to deal with the loss of the headphone jack. But in thinking of what it will mean for others, I think it is a stupid idea at this time and, if it is just to make the damned phone a hair thinner, it is clearly not worth it and is just another money-making angle for Apple. But this one is coming at the expense of a fairly large and growing segment of the population. Mary -- ** Those who don't need help are prepared to help themselves
Re: SV: SV: Apple's iPhone 7 WILL dump the headphone socket | DailyMail Online
The problem with all this forward thinking is that it leaves the hearing impaired out. Jonathan Mosen has done some very good writing on this topic. I personally have the equipment to deal with the loss of the headphone jack. But in thinking of what it will mean for others, I think it is a stupid idea at this time and, if it is just to make the damned phone a hair thinner, it is clearly not worth it and is just another money-making angle for Apple. But this one is coming at the expense of a fairly large and growing segment of the population. Mary
RE: SV: SV: Apple's iPhone 7 WILL dump the headphone socket | DailyMail Online
Hell to the yeah to that! -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Devin Prater Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 1:49 PM To: PC Audio Discussion List <pc-audio@pc-audio.org> Subject: Re: SV: SV: Apple's iPhone 7 WILL dump the headphone socket | DailyMail Online They're removing it to make more room for even better things. Would you want a serial port on your phone? Or a floppy or CD drive? Let's think different. Let's think of possibilities and the future. Sent from my iPhone > On Mar 10, 2016, at 7:08 AM, Brian Olesen <br...@blindkom.dk> wrote: > > Hi, > Yeah right. They can go fuck them selves. :-( Now I'll dig into the > Android World to see how that works out ano 2016. > Good god 1 millimeter. What does that matter? > > Brian > > > -Oprindelig meddelelse- > Fra: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] På vegne af Peter > Scanlon > Sendt: 10. marts 2016 13:15 > Til: PC Audio Discussion List > Emne: Re: SV: Apple's iPhone 7 WILL dump the headphone socket | > DailyMail Online > > It reduces thickness by one millimetre. > but they want to make more money by making us by their particular > headphhone. > > > From: Brian Olesen > Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 10:03 PM > To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' > Subject: SV: Apple's iPhone 7 WILL dump the headphone socket | > DailyMail Online > > Hi, > It's a real shame. We are many, who like the analog style headphones > so I'll skip this update and stay with 6S. > Any reason why they're removing the plug? I mean they don't take up > much space. > > Best regards > Brian > > -Oprindelig meddelelse- > Fra: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] På vegne af Devin > Prater > Sendt: 10. marts 2016 07:23 > Til: PC Audio Discussion List > Emne: Re: Apple's iPhone 7 WILL dump the headphone socket | Daily Mail > Online > > I can't wait to see what the new headphones are like, and even what > they can do now that they have digital capabilities. It might not be > just audio that goes through them. > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Mar 9, 2016, at 8:21 PM, Dane Trethowan <grtd...@internode.on.net> > wrote: >> >> > http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-3484392/Apple-s-iPhone- > 7-dump > -headphone-socket-Leaked-case-shows-superslim-design-instead-stereo-sp > eakers > .html >> >> -- >> >> ** >> Those who don't need help are prepared to help themselves >> >> > > > >
Re: SV: SV: Apple's iPhone 7 WILL dump the headphone socket | DailyMail Online
They're removing it to make more room for even better things. Would you want a serial port on your phone? Or a floppy or CD drive? Let's think different. Let's think of possibilities and the future. Sent from my iPhone > On Mar 10, 2016, at 7:08 AM, Brian Olesen <br...@blindkom.dk> wrote: > > Hi, > Yeah right. They can go fuck them selves. :-( > Now I'll dig into the Android World to see how that works out ano 2016. > Good god 1 millimeter. What does that matter? > > Brian > > > -Oprindelig meddelelse- > Fra: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] På vegne af Peter > Scanlon > Sendt: 10. marts 2016 13:15 > Til: PC Audio Discussion List > Emne: Re: SV: Apple's iPhone 7 WILL dump the headphone socket | DailyMail > Online > > It reduces thickness by one millimetre. > but they want to make more money by making us by their particular > headphhone. > > > From: Brian Olesen > Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 10:03 PM > To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' > Subject: SV: Apple's iPhone 7 WILL dump the headphone socket | DailyMail > Online > > Hi, > It's a real shame. We are many, who like the analog style headphones so I'll > skip this update and stay with 6S. > Any reason why they're removing the plug? I mean they don't take up much > space. > > Best regards > Brian > > -Oprindelig meddelelse- > Fra: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] På vegne af Devin > Prater > Sendt: 10. marts 2016 07:23 > Til: PC Audio Discussion List > Emne: Re: Apple's iPhone 7 WILL dump the headphone socket | Daily Mail > Online > > I can't wait to see what the new headphones are like, and even what they can > do now that they have digital capabilities. It might not be just audio that > goes through them. > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Mar 9, 2016, at 8:21 PM, Dane Trethowan <grtd...@internode.on.net> > wrote: >> >> > http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-3484392/Apple-s-iPhone-7-dump > -headphone-socket-Leaked-case-shows-superslim-design-instead-stereo-speakers > .html >> >> -- >> >> ** >> Those who don't need help are prepared to help themselves >> >> > > > >
