Re: SoundCloud
I have noticed that nowadays, in the adjust system volume settings, you could turn down the browser but leave the screen reader at its normal volume. I have found this on 3 computers that use different sound cards using windows 7 and 8.1. On 16/10/2015 22:10, ken wrote: Hi, the only thing that might work, is Get a usb external card that has a speaker and direct you jaws , or windoweyes output to that card.. That's what I did, exept I have a usb mike and use the laptop's speaker for my w e output. -Original Message- From: Adrian Spratt Sent: Friday, October 16, 2015 4:43 PM To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: RE: SoundCloud An external speech synthesizer would eliminate this problem. Also, scanning the web pate before pressing play would reveal the controls, if any, that are accessible. -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Walter Ramage Sent: Friday, October 16, 2015 2:23 AM To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' Subject: RE: SoundCloud Hi. I was asked to check this out from a user point of view and didn't find it accessible. I was asked on behalf of a charity project to play around with pre-uploaded music files and didn't find the free version much use. This guy wanted to upload audio files for the public to play such as info regarding government benefits etc. I'll paste my response to that guy below so you will see my experience. Walter. Hi Glyn. Firstly my apology; I was going through my deleted items, clearing them out when I came across your email. somehow it went straight to my deleted items rather than my in box. I would have replied sooner if I had seen it so sorry about that. OK. This is my initial input regarding the site. The music is displayed clearly and the play button is easy to find and activate but that is where the simplicity ends and the problems begin. Once you have activated the play button and the music plays, there is no way you can use the other play controls because the music drowns out the screen reader and as there is no keyboard short cut keys trying to use them is a hiding to nothing. You have to wait for a quiet passage in the audio before trying frantically to find a control but the quiet period never lasts long enough for you to find what you want. This is the free version and I noticed there is a Pro service but I guess you have to pay for that but there is no way of telling if the pro version is any more accessible than the free version and in any case, the people who would want to play any files you upload would use the free service. As I've said I've only looked at the site briefly and when I discovered getting to the play controls during playback was problematic I didn't go any further. As with WMP, if there were short cut keys such as Control+s for stop or Control+p for pause or control+m for mute or+control +r for rewind then it would be a good service to utilise. It might be you can map the keyboard and create these shortcuts but I'd need to look further into the site and I'll do that as soon as I can. Of course this initial summery is from a blind point of view. People with hearing loss or other disabilities but who have site, or even some partially sighted folk would be able to use it. Unfortunately though if you have no usable sight and in the absence of play controls accessibility then it wouldn't be of any use to them. Nonetheless you have to consider the majority of people who would use the facility and a minority group shouldn't be allowed to veto something because they are disenfranchised; you can please all of the people some of the time and some of the people all of the time but you will never please all of the people all of the time. This doesn't mean that solutions aren't sought to resolve the disenfranchisement and that might be by linking to another service. I will ask on the tech lists I'm on to see what can be done and will get back to you. Walter. -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Jim Portillo Sent: 16 October 2015 05:09 To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' Subject: SoundCloud Hello there, Has anyone used a program called SoundCloud with JAWS, and if so, how easy is it to use? I'm needing to start using it and am just beginning to see how it works. Any suggestions would be appreciated. --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com -- Regards, Samuel Wilkins
RE: SoundCloud
Correct. But even this depends on how loud the stream is. It may work for sound cloud though. I've only tried it with Iheart Radio and Tune In so you have to wait until that stream page opens in that case. Not sure about Sound Cloud. It might work. Oh by the way, this has been so since Vista. Vista was cool for what it was. My only beefe was the thing about how hard it was to make an Audio CD. A CDDA formatted cd you play on a regular CD player. Other than that though, Vista was cool. I loved it. I had a Toshiba laptop with Vista Ultimate. -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Samuel Wilkins Sent: Saturday, October 17, 2015 3:31 AM To: PC Audio Discussion List <pc-audio@pc-audio.org> Subject: Re: SoundCloud I have noticed that nowadays, in the adjust system volume settings, you could turn down the browser but leave the screen reader at its normal volume. I have found this on 3 computers that use different sound cards using windows 7 and 8.1. On 16/10/2015 22:10, ken wrote: >Hi, the only thing that might work, is Get a usb external card > that has a speaker and direct you jaws , or windoweyes output to that > card.. > That's what I did, exept I have a usb mike and use the laptop's > speaker for my w e output. > > > -Original Message- From: Adrian Spratt > Sent: Friday, October 16, 2015 4:43 PM > To: PC Audio Discussion List > Subject: RE: SoundCloud > > An external speech synthesizer would eliminate this problem. Also, > scanning the web pate before pressing play would reveal the controls, > if any, that are accessible. > > -Original Message- > From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of > Walter Ramage > Sent: Friday, October 16, 2015 2:23 AM > To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' > Subject: RE: SoundCloud > > Hi. I was asked to check this out from a user point of view and > didn't find it accessible. I was asked on behalf of a charity project > to play around with pre-uploaded music files and didn't find the free > version much use. This guy wanted to upload audio files for the > public to play such as info regarding government benefits etc. I'll > paste my response to that guy below so you will see my experience. > Walter. > > Hi Glyn. Firstly my apology; I was going through my deleted items, > clearing them out when I came across your email. somehow it went > straight to my deleted items rather than my in box. I would have > replied sooner if I had seen it so sorry about that. > > OK. This is my initial input regarding the site. The music is > displayed clearly and the play button is easy to find and activate but > that is where the simplicity ends and the problems begin. Once you > have activated the play button and the music plays, there is no way > you can use the other play controls because the music drowns out the > screen reader and as there is no keyboard short cut keys trying to use > them is a hiding to nothing. > You have > to wait for a quiet passage in the audio before trying frantically to > find a control but the quiet period never lasts long enough for you to > find what you want. This is the free version and I noticed there is a > Pro service but I guess you have to pay for that but there is no way > of telling if the pro version is any more accessible than the free > version and in any case, the people who would want to play any files > you upload would use the free service. As I've said I've only looked > at the site briefly and when I discovered getting to the play controls > during playback was problematic I didn't go any further. As with WMP, > if there were short cut keys such as > Control+s for stop or Control+p for pause or control+m for mute > or+control > +r for rewind then it would be a good service to utilise. It might be > you > can map the keyboard and create these shortcuts but I'd need to look > further into the site and I'll do that as soon as I can. Of course > this initial summery is from a blind point of view. People with > hearing loss or other disabilities but who have site, or even some > partially sighted folk would be able to use it. Unfortunately though > if you have no usable sight and in the absence of play controls > accessibility then it wouldn't be of any use to them. Nonetheless you > have to consider the majority of people who would use the facility and > a minority group shouldn't be allowed to veto something because they > are disenfranchised; you can please all of the people some of the time > and some of the people all of the time but you will never please all > of the people all of the time. This doesn't mean that solutions > aren't sought to resolve the disenfranchisemen
RE: SoundCloud
An external speech synthesizer would eliminate this problem. Also, scanning the web pate before pressing play would reveal the controls, if any, that are accessible. -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Walter Ramage Sent: Friday, October 16, 2015 2:23 AM To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' Subject: RE: SoundCloud Hi. I was asked to check this out from a user point of view and didn't find it accessible. I was asked on behalf of a charity project to play around with pre-uploaded music files and didn't find the free version much use. This guy wanted to upload audio files for the public to play such as info regarding government benefits etc. I'll paste my response to that guy below so you will see my experience. Walter. Hi Glyn. Firstly my apology; I was going through my deleted items, clearing them out when I came across your email. somehow it went straight to my deleted items rather than my in box. I would have replied sooner if I had seen it so sorry about that. OK. This is my initial input regarding the site. The music is displayed clearly and the play button is easy to find and activate but that is where the simplicity ends and the problems begin. Once you have activated the play button and the music plays, there is no way you can use the other play controls because the music drowns out the screen reader and as there is no keyboard short cut keys trying to use them is a hiding to nothing. You have to wait for a quiet passage in the audio before trying frantically to find a control but the quiet period never lasts long enough for you to find what you want. This is the free version and I noticed there is a Pro service but I guess you have to pay for that but there is no way of telling if the pro version is any more accessible than the free version and in any case, the people who would want to play any files you upload would use the free service. As I've said I've only looked at the site briefly and when I discovered getting to the play controls during playback was problematic I didn't go any further. As with WMP, if there were short cut keys such as Control+s for stop or Control+p for pause or control+m for mute or+control +r for rewind then it would be a good service to utilise. It might be you can map the keyboard and create these shortcuts but I'd need to look further into the site and I'll do that as soon as I can. Of course this initial summery is from a blind point of view. People with hearing loss or other disabilities but who have site, or even some partially sighted folk would be able to use it. Unfortunately though if you have no usable sight and in the absence of play controls accessibility then it wouldn't be of any use to them. Nonetheless you have to consider the majority of people who would use the facility and a minority group shouldn't be allowed to veto something because they are disenfranchised; you can please all of the people some of the time and some of the people all of the time but you will never please all of the people all of the time. This doesn't mean that solutions aren't sought to resolve the disenfranchisement and that might be by linking to another service. I will ask on the tech lists I'm on to see what can be done and will get back to you. Walter. -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Jim Portillo Sent: 16 October 2015 05:09 To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' Subject: SoundCloud Hello there, Has anyone used a program called SoundCloud with JAWS, and if so, how easy is it to use? I'm needing to start using it and am just beginning to see how it works. Any suggestions would be appreciated. --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com
Re: SoundCloud
Hi, the only thing that might work, is Get a usb external card that has a speaker and direct you jaws , or windoweyes output to that card.. That's what I did, exept I have a usb mike and use the laptop's speaker for my w e output. -Original Message- From: Adrian Spratt Sent: Friday, October 16, 2015 4:43 PM To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: RE: SoundCloud An external speech synthesizer would eliminate this problem. Also, scanning the web pate before pressing play would reveal the controls, if any, that are accessible. -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Walter Ramage Sent: Friday, October 16, 2015 2:23 AM To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' Subject: RE: SoundCloud Hi. I was asked to check this out from a user point of view and didn't find it accessible. I was asked on behalf of a charity project to play around with pre-uploaded music files and didn't find the free version much use. This guy wanted to upload audio files for the public to play such as info regarding government benefits etc. I'll paste my response to that guy below so you will see my experience. Walter. Hi Glyn. Firstly my apology; I was going through my deleted items, clearing them out when I came across your email. somehow it went straight to my deleted items rather than my in box. I would have replied sooner if I had seen it so sorry about that. OK. This is my initial input regarding the site. The music is displayed clearly and the play button is easy to find and activate but that is where the simplicity ends and the problems begin. Once you have activated the play button and the music plays, there is no way you can use the other play controls because the music drowns out the screen reader and as there is no keyboard short cut keys trying to use them is a hiding to nothing. You have to wait for a quiet passage in the audio before trying frantically to find a control but the quiet period never lasts long enough for you to find what you want. This is the free version and I noticed there is a Pro service but I guess you have to pay for that but there is no way of telling if the pro version is any more accessible than the free version and in any case, the people who would want to play any files you upload would use the free service. As I've said I've only looked at the site briefly and when I discovered getting to the play controls during playback was problematic I didn't go any further. As with WMP, if there were short cut keys such as Control+s for stop or Control+p for pause or control+m for mute or+control +r for rewind then it would be a good service to utilise. It might be you can map the keyboard and create these shortcuts but I'd need to look further into the site and I'll do that as soon as I can. Of course this initial summery is from a blind point of view. People with hearing loss or other disabilities but who have site, or even some partially sighted folk would be able to use it. Unfortunately though if you have no usable sight and in the absence of play controls accessibility then it wouldn't be of any use to them. Nonetheless you have to consider the majority of people who would use the facility and a minority group shouldn't be allowed to veto something because they are disenfranchised; you can please all of the people some of the time and some of the people all of the time but you will never please all of the people all of the time. This doesn't mean that solutions aren't sought to resolve the disenfranchisement and that might be by linking to another service. I will ask on the tech lists I'm on to see what can be done and will get back to you. Walter. -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Jim Portillo Sent: 16 October 2015 05:09 To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' Subject: SoundCloud Hello there, Has anyone used a program called SoundCloud with JAWS, and if so, how easy is it to use? I'm needing to start using it and am just beginning to see how it works. Any suggestions would be appreciated. --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com
RE: SoundCloud
Excellent. Thank you very much. -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Walter Ramage Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2015 11:23 PM To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' Subject: RE: SoundCloud Hi. I was asked to check this out from a user point of view and didn't find it accessible. I was asked on behalf of a charity project to play around with pre-uploaded music files and didn't find the free version much use. This guy wanted to upload audio files for the public to play such as info regarding government benefits etc. I'll paste my response to that guy below so you will see my experience. Walter. Hi Glyn. Firstly my apology; I was going through my deleted items, clearing them out when I came across your email. somehow it went straight to my deleted items rather than my in box. I would have replied sooner if I had seen it so sorry about that. OK. This is my initial input regarding the site. The music is displayed clearly and the play button is easy to find and activate but that is where the simplicity ends and the problems begin. Once you have activated the play button and the music plays, there is no way you can use the other play controls because the music drowns out the screen reader and as there is no keyboard short cut keys trying to use them is a hiding to nothing. You have to wait for a quiet passage in the audio before trying frantically to find a control but the quiet period never lasts long enough for you to find what you want. This is the free version and I noticed there is a Pro service but I guess you have to pay for that but there is no way of telling if the pro version is any more accessible than the free version and in any case, the people who would want to play any files you upload would use the free service. As I've said I've only looked at the site briefly and when I discovered getting to the play controls during playback was problematic I didn't go any further. As with WMP, if there were short cut keys such as Control+s for stop or Control+p for pause or control+m for mute Control+or+control +r for rewind then it would be a good service to utilise. It might be +you can map the keyboard and create these shortcuts but I'd need to look further into the site and I'll do that as soon as I can. Of course this initial summery is from a blind point of view. People with hearing loss or other disabilities but who have site, or even some partially sighted folk would be able to use it. Unfortunately though if you have no usable sight and in the absence of play controls accessibility then it wouldn't be of any use to them. Nonetheless you have to consider the majority of people who would use the facility and a minority group shouldn't be allowed to veto something because they are disenfranchised; you can please all of the people some of the time and some of the people all of the time but you will never please all of the people all of the time. This doesn't mean that solutions aren't sought to resolve the disenfranchisement and that might be by linking to another service. I will ask on the tech lists I'm on to see what can be done and will get back to you. Walter. -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Jim Portillo Sent: 16 October 2015 05:09 To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' Subject: SoundCloud Hello there, Has anyone used a program called SoundCloud with JAWS, and if so, how easy is it to use? I'm needing to start using it and am just beginning to see how it works. Any suggestions would be appreciated. --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com
RE: SoundCloud
Hi. I was asked to check this out from a user point of view and didn't find it accessible. I was asked on behalf of a charity project to play around with pre-uploaded music files and didn't find the free version much use. This guy wanted to upload audio files for the public to play such as info regarding government benefits etc. I'll paste my response to that guy below so you will see my experience. Walter. Hi Glyn. Firstly my apology; I was going through my deleted items, clearing them out when I came across your email. somehow it went straight to my deleted items rather than my in box. I would have replied sooner if I had seen it so sorry about that. OK. This is my initial input regarding the site. The music is displayed clearly and the play button is easy to find and activate but that is where the simplicity ends and the problems begin. Once you have activated the play button and the music plays, there is no way you can use the other play controls because the music drowns out the screen reader and as there is no keyboard short cut keys trying to use them is a hiding to nothing. You have to wait for a quiet passage in the audio before trying frantically to find a control but the quiet period never lasts long enough for you to find what you want. This is the free version and I noticed there is a Pro service but I guess you have to pay for that but there is no way of telling if the pro version is any more accessible than the free version and in any case, the people who would want to play any files you upload would use the free service. As I've said I've only looked at the site briefly and when I discovered getting to the play controls during playback was problematic I didn't go any further. As with WMP, if there were short cut keys such as Control+s for stop or Control+p for pause or control+m for mute or+control +r for rewind then it would be a good service to utilise. It might be you can map the keyboard and create these shortcuts but I'd need to look further into the site and I'll do that as soon as I can. Of course this initial summery is from a blind point of view. People with hearing loss or other disabilities but who have site, or even some partially sighted folk would be able to use it. Unfortunately though if you have no usable sight and in the absence of play controls accessibility then it wouldn't be of any use to them. Nonetheless you have to consider the majority of people who would use the facility and a minority group shouldn't be allowed to veto something because they are disenfranchised; you can please all of the people some of the time and some of the people all of the time but you will never please all of the people all of the time. This doesn't mean that solutions aren't sought to resolve the disenfranchisement and that might be by linking to another service. I will ask on the tech lists I'm on to see what can be done and will get back to you. Walter. -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Jim Portillo Sent: 16 October 2015 05:09 To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' Subject: SoundCloud Hello there, Has anyone used a program called SoundCloud with JAWS, and if so, how easy is it to use? I'm needing to start using it and am just beginning to see how it works. Any suggestions would be appreciated. --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com
