Re: [PD-dev] remove tk scaling

2013-06-20 Thread IOhannes m zmoelnig
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 2013-06-19 22:06, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: What do you gain by removing in? I think we really need to stop wasting time on little details like this, and instead work towards real fixes. i think the biggest gain would be to not have to

Re: [PD-dev] remove tk scaling

2013-06-20 Thread Miller Puckette
Anyhow, if by separating the GUI from the core you mean re-writing the Pd patch editor in Tcl/TK, I think that would create enormous headaches. i enjoyed some of those with Max/FTS (in which the GUI layer was responsible for editing) and Pd's separation of duties is partly a reaction

Re: [PD-dev] remove tk scaling

2013-06-19 Thread IOhannes m zmoelnig
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 2013-06-18 19:39, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: In general, removing bits of code willy-nilly is a bad idea. sure. In this case, So follow what the comment there says: This guarantees that patches will be pixel-exact on every platform. this

Re: [PD-dev] remove tk scaling

2013-06-19 Thread Jonathan Wilkes
From: IOhannes m zmoelnig zmoel...@iem.at To: pd-dev@iem.at Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2013 3:42 AM Subject: Re: [PD-dev] remove tk scaling [...] nevertheless, here is some discussion that backs up *not* removing the line: http://lists.puredata.info

Re: [PD-dev] remove tk scaling

2013-06-19 Thread Miller Puckette
zmoelnig zmoel...@iem.at To: pd-dev@iem.at Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2013 3:42 AM Subject: Re: [PD-dev] remove tk scaling [...] nevertheless, here is some discussion that backs up *not* removing the line: http://lists.puredata.info/pipermail/pd-list/2007-11/056834.html As usual

Re: [PD-dev] remove tk scaling

2013-06-19 Thread Hans-Christoph Steiner
-dev] remove tk scaling On 06/18/2013 06:21 PM, Jonathan Wilkes wrote: From: Miller Puckette m...@ucsd.edu To: Hans-Christoph Steiner h...@at.or.at Cc: pd-dev@iem.at Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2013 2:12 PM Subject: Re: [PD-dev] remove tk scaling

Re: [PD-dev] remove tk scaling

2013-06-19 Thread Hans-Christoph Steiner
-dev] remove tk scaling On 06/18/2013 06:21 PM, Jonathan Wilkes wrote: From: Miller Puckette m...@ucsd.edu To: Hans-Christoph Steiner h...@at.or.at Cc: pd-dev@iem.at Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2013 2:12 PM Subject: Re: [PD-dev] remove tk scaling

Re: [PD-dev] remove tk scaling

2013-06-19 Thread Miller Puckette
[discussion of tk scaling deleted...] What do you gain by removing in? I think we really need to stop wasting time on little details like this, and instead work towards real fixes. Does anyone object to the idea of truly separating the GUI from the core? I haven't heard them. .hc I

Re: [PD-dev] remove tk scaling

2013-06-19 Thread Hans-Christoph Steiner
On 06/19/2013 04:38 PM, Miller Puckette wrote: [discussion of tk scaling deleted...] What do you gain by removing in? I think we really need to stop wasting time on little details like this, and instead work towards real fixes. Does anyone object to the idea of truly separating the GUI

Re: [PD-dev] remove tk scaling

2013-06-19 Thread Jonathan Wilkes
From: Hans-Christoph Steiner h...@at.or.at To: Miller Puckette m...@ucsd.edu Cc: Jonathan Wilkes jancs...@yahoo.com; pd-dev@iem.at pd-dev@iem.at Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2013 11:14 PM Subject: Re: [PD-dev] remove tk scaling [...] There are many python

Re: [PD-dev] remove tk scaling

2013-06-18 Thread Hans-Christoph Steiner
In general, removing bits of code willy-nilly is a bad idea. In this case, it took a ton of testing to get the right set of tweaks working across all platforms smoothly with the same pixel sizes on all platforms. Given that you only tested on GNU/Linux, its a really bad idea to propose changes

Re: [PD-dev] remove tk scaling

2013-06-18 Thread Miller Puckette
What I've never understood is this: why wouldn't it suffice to 'unscale' just the fonts Pd uses explicitly? One can get an unscaled font by asking for a size like -12 - then we wouldn't have to bash tk_scalaing globally (thereby ruining font sizes in open dialogs and whatnot that Pd doesn't

Re: [PD-dev] remove tk scaling

2013-06-18 Thread Jonathan Wilkes
From: Hans-Christoph Steiner h...@at.or.at To: pd-dev@iem.at Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2013 1:39 PM Subject: Re: [PD-dev] remove tk scaling In general, removing bits of code willy-nilly is a bad idea. Agreed.  Now let's talk about this specific case

Re: [PD-dev] remove tk scaling

2013-06-18 Thread Jonathan Wilkes
From: Miller Puckette m...@ucsd.edu To: Hans-Christoph Steiner h...@at.or.at Cc: pd-dev@iem.at Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2013 2:12 PM Subject: Re: [PD-dev] remove tk scaling What I've never understood is this: why wouldn't it suffice to 'unscale' just

Re: [PD-dev] remove tk scaling

2013-06-18 Thread Hans-Christoph Steiner
On 06/18/2013 06:21 PM, Jonathan Wilkes wrote: From: Miller Puckette m...@ucsd.edu To: Hans-Christoph Steiner h...@at.or.at Cc: pd-dev@iem.at Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2013 2:12 PM Subject: Re: [PD-dev] remove tk scaling What I've never

Re: [PD-dev] remove tk scaling

2013-06-18 Thread Jonathan Wilkes
From: Hans-Christoph Steiner h...@at.or.at To: Jonathan Wilkes jancs...@yahoo.com Cc: Miller Puckette m...@ucsd.edu; pd-dev@iem.at pd-dev@iem.at Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2013 8:55 PM Subject: Re: [PD-dev] remove tk scaling On 06/18/2013 06:21 PM, Jonathan

Re: [PD-dev] remove tk scaling

2013-06-12 Thread Miller Puckette
Hi Jonathan et a - I've never understood the reason tk_scaling is touched in the TK code and unless someone else objects I'll try taking it out of the vanilla source. thanks Miller On Tue, Jun 11, 2013 at 06:11:57PM -0700, Jonathan Wilkes wrote: Hi list, From tcl/pd-gui:     # we are not