Re: [PD-dev] [ pure-data-Patches-1654666 ] sending a cut message to an invisible subpatch makes crash

2009-09-10 Thread IOhannes m zmoelnig
hi SourceForge.net wrote: Comment By: Miller Puckette (millerpuckette) Date: 2009-08-30 15:34 Message: fixed this slightly differently. (Hannes -- the vis/invis editor allocation and deallocation code is so complicated I'm afraid to try to enable edits on invis windows. Instead I want to

Re: [PD-dev] deb packages discussion

2009-09-21 Thread IOhannes m zmoelnig
Anderson Goulart wrote: Hello all, puredata-ext-XX - package containing a single external puredata-abs-XX - package containing a single abstraction why do you want to separate them? how does a single external differ (substantially) from a single abstraction? (esp. since .deb takes care of

Re: [PD-dev] deb packages discussion

2009-09-22 Thread IOhannes m zmoelnig
dmotd wrote: dmotd wrote: please make sure you cc pd-dev too! oh i'm sorry, it seems that something is wrong with my mail delivery - i checked the archives and messages recieved only to my personal inbox did make it to pd-dev i just didn't recieve them from pd-dev and some messages from

Re: [PD-dev] PdGuiRewriteTestBuilds

2009-09-30 Thread IOhannes m zmoelnig
hi again Steffen Juul wrote: On 29/09/2009, at 23.45, IOhannes m zmölnig wrote: IOhannes m zmölnig wrote: would not. seems you are right at the problematic version :-) meaning that you do seem to have a problematic version of autoconf, Yes, i got it. thanks for investigating,

Re: [PD-dev] PdGuiRewriteTestBuilds

2009-09-30 Thread IOhannes m zmoelnig
Steffen Juul wrote: On 30/09/2009, at 9.46, IOhannes m zmoelnig wrote: btw, on a non fink contaminated machine running 10.4 i have autoconf 2.61 installed which can process the configure.ac fine. Ok. I guess i shouldn't have updated autoconf then. Thanks for testing. not exactly. what i

Re: [PD-dev] [LONG] Building extended on amd64

2009-10-01 Thread IOhannes m zmoelnig
András Murányi wrote: Thanks! Without root i'm still getting those access denied errors, as root most likely because you checked out as root, which results in files being owned by root and not you. simple fix is: % cd /home/muranyia/Download/0.41/ % chown -R muranyia . imho, you should do this

Re: [PD-dev] iem_tab on amd64 WAS: Building extended on amd64

2009-10-05 Thread IOhannes m zmoelnig
martin.pe...@sympatico.ca wrote: Then in tab_add_scalar the variable add is defined: iemarray_t *vec_src1, *vec_dst, add; not in the version that i have here (revision 12534). add is declared as t_float. ...and then at line 85 an error occurs because add is a t_word, not a t_float:

Re: [PD-dev] iem_tab on amd64 WAS: Building extended on amd64

2009-10-05 Thread IOhannes m zmoelnig
IOhannes m zmoelnig wrote: $ make iem_tab i forgot to copy'n'paste the compiler line: cc -DPD -O2 -I/home/pd/src/pure-data/pd/src -Wall -W -ggdb -I/home/pd/src/pure-data/Gem/src -I/home/pd/src/pure-data/externals/pdp/include -DUNIX -Dunix -fPIC -DIEMTAB_SINGLE_OBJ -o /home/pd/src/pure-data

Re: [PD-dev] iem_tab on amd64 WAS: Building extended on amd64

2009-10-13 Thread IOhannes m zmoelnig
Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: sed -i 's!^\(Depends:.*\)!\1 , libfftw3-3, zlib1g (= 1:1.2.3.3.dfsg-1), libogg0 (= 1.0rc3), liblame0 (= 3.97), libvorbis0a (= 1.2.0), libgsl0ldbl (= 1.9), libimlib2, libdv4, tk8.5 (= 8.5.0), libquicktime1 (= 2:1.0.0+debian), libgl1-mesa | libgl1, libsdl1.2debian

Re: [PD-dev] ATI + GridFlow + Gem + C++ + Linux = BOOM

2009-10-15 Thread IOhannes m zmoelnig
Mathieu Bouchard wrote: On Tue, 8 Sep 2009, IOhannes m zmoelnig wrote: hmm, does this mean that if Gem explicitely linked against libstdc++ just before libGL, this would avoid the problems? if so, it might be fixed in svn... Thanks for doing this. I just tried it with Pd-0.42.5-extended

Re: [PD-dev] ATI + GridFlow + Gem + C++ + Linux = BOOM

2009-10-15 Thread IOhannes m zmoelnig
Mathieu Bouchard wrote: On Thu, 15 Oct 2009, IOhannes m zmoelnig wrote: Mathieu Bouchard wrote: Thanks for doing this. I just tried it with Pd-0.42.5-extended-20091014-ubuntu-jaunty-i386.deb. cool (i guess you not only meant to say that you tried it, but also that the try was successfull

Re: [PD-dev] ATI + GridFlow + Gem + C++ + Linux = BOOM

2009-10-15 Thread IOhannes m zmoelnig
Mathieu Bouchard wrote: On Thu, 15 Oct 2009, IOhannes m zmoelnig wrote: i still believe that this is something that is not to be fixed with hacks, e.g. random linkeage against stdc++. instead it should be fixed somewhere upstream, be it gcc, binary drivers or whatever; btw. who is writing

Re: [PD-dev] [PD] pd-extended build on 9.10

2009-11-09 Thread IOhannes m zmoelnig
András Murányi wrote: Apparently, pd-gui-rewrite still doesn't load the libs, no ELF32 messages any more but all couldn't load plus a few unknown sybol errors. which unknown symbols? obviously the dynamic linker will fail to load a library, if it cannot resolve all symbols. do all externals

Re: [PD-dev] puredata.info timing out.

2009-11-25 Thread IOhannes m zmoelnig
ma...@artengine.ca wrote: On Mon, 23 Nov 2009, Forwind info wrote: Has anyone else noticed that puredata.info is timing out. This has been happening to me from London for the past 2 days ? As far as I am aware this is all hosted at IEM, IOhannes (presuming you are still at iem) ? It

Re: [PD-dev] adding standard install paths to the 'puredata' package

2009-12-01 Thread IOhannes m zmoelnig
Mathieu Bouchard wrote: On Mon, 30 Nov 2009, Frank Barknecht wrote: Additionally, I'd like to Debianize the directory names (i.e. / usr/lib/puredata) What's un-Debian about /usr/lib/pd? the package name is not pd. the package name used to be pd alternatively, the package name could

[PD-dev] svn on build farm (was Re: [GEM-dev] gem fails on 10.4)

2009-12-01 Thread IOhannes m zmoelnig
IOhannes m zmoelnig wrote: the svn client installed on the build-machine (/sw/bin/svn) is somewhat outdated (1.4.4) and refuses to svn update the sandbox. this seems to be a common problem on more of the build machines (e.g. i just noticed it on the ubuntu-hardy-lts-i386) for me this makes

Re: [PD-dev] svn on build farm (was Re: [GEM-dev] gem fails on 10.4)

2009-12-02 Thread IOhannes m zmoelnig
Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: This is the documentation of the auto-build process, the last step is where it rsyncs over the source tree, which is mainly for rsync's --delete for a real clean start. http://puredata.info/docs/developer/AutoBuildProcess obviously i didn't find it from PdLab

Re: [PD-dev] adding standard install paths to the 'puredata' package

2009-12-02 Thread IOhannes m zmoelnig
Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: The compelling reason is that 'pd' means multiple packages 'puredata', 'pd-extended', and perhaps others. Where is the harm in changing this? but there are so many trivial patches in the world that won't do no harm to anybody. this is not a reason to apply them

Re: [PD-dev] svn on build farm (was Re: [GEM-dev] gem fails on 10.4)

2009-12-02 Thread IOhannes m zmoelnig
Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: i recommend working on debian/sid, but this doesn't help me much if one of the autobuilds fails on the osx103 machine. i prefer to investigate directly what is going wrong on the failing machine (and potentially fix the problem there) There isn't a 10.3

Re: [PD-dev] svn on build farm (was Re: [GEM-dev] gem fails on 10.4)

2009-12-02 Thread IOhannes m zmoelnig
Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: FYI: I reparented the PdLab page to the FrontPage rather than the AutoBuildProcess page. The Pdlab is not only for the auto-builds, but also for devs to work on foreign machines. The AutoBuildProcess page already has links to the PdLab pages. well, PdLab

Re: [PD-dev] svn on build farm (was Re: [GEM-dev] gem fails on 10.4)

2009-12-02 Thread IOhannes m zmoelnig
IOhannes m zmoelnig wrote: Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: FYI: I reparented the PdLab page to the FrontPage rather than the AutoBuildProcess page. The Pdlab is not only for the auto-builds, but also for devs to work on foreign machines. The AutoBuildProcess page already has links

Re: [PD-dev] Pd-cvs Digest, Vol 58, Issue 13

2009-12-15 Thread IOhannes m zmoelnig
pd-cvs-requ...@iem.at wrote: -- Message: 6 From: p...@macosx104-i386.idmi.poly.edu Subject: [PD-cvs] load_every_help 2009-12-14_22.51.01 To: pd-...@iem.at Message-ID: mailman.4.1260874801.8788.pd-...@iem.at

Re: [PD-dev] tkwait visibility .pdwindow.tcl.entry

2010-01-12 Thread IOhannes m zmoelnig
hi. Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: Hey IOhannes, Any reason not to use the tkwait visibility .pdwindow.tcl.entry option? I think its preferable because it keeps things symmetic, i.e. grab/ungrab. It'll only cause the GUI to pause, 'pd' will still keep loading.

Re: [PD-dev] allow to connect to remote host: ./pd-gui.tcl [[host:]port]

2010-01-12 Thread IOhannes m zmoelnig
Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: Hey IOhannes, http://pure-data.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/pure-data?view=revrevision=12956 Just checking out your commits. The ./pd-gui.tcl [[host:]port] thanks stuff looks interesting, but your commit removed that stringent test, i hope it did not

Re: [PD-dev] [ pure-data-Bugs-2933148 ] [pd-gui-rewrite] 'vis 1' to canvas moves window

2010-01-19 Thread IOhannes m zmoelnig
SourceForge.net wrote: Message: Unfortunately, the shifting does happen on Pd-vanilla, just less so. There doesn't seem to be a way in Tcl/Tk to measure the size of the window frame of X11 windows. Different window managers will have different sizes of window frames. In 0.43 it was

Re: [PD-dev] [ pure-data-Bugs-2933148 ] [pd-gui-rewrite] 'vis 1' to canvas moves window

2010-01-19 Thread IOhannes m zmoelnig
Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: btw, have you had a look at the hack in the ::pdwindow::set_layout proc to measure the window decorations (though you deleted the code again)? Yes, did you test that code? It only works on Windows from my tests and the docs I read. Something like that should

Re: [PD-dev] Debian Policy for Pd packages

2010-02-01 Thread IOhannes m zmoelnig
Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: Hey all, Just finished a weekend long Debian Bug Squashing Party here in NYC. I discussed with a few Debian Developers how best to fit Pd's files into Debian Policy. This is what we came up with. Let me know what you guys think, and whether there are other

Re: [PD-dev] Debian Policy for Pd packages

2010-02-02 Thread IOhannes m zmoelnig
Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: On Feb 1, 2010, at 3:38 AM, IOhannes m zmoelnig wrote: Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: Hey all, Just finished a weekend long Debian Bug Squashing Party here in NYC. I discussed with a few Debian Developers how best to fit Pd's files into Debian Policy

Re: [PD-dev] seeking advice on Pd gui overhaul

2010-02-25 Thread IOhannes m zmoelnig
On 2010-02-24 22:23, Arnout Engelen wrote: Well, if the protocol used for the communication is very application-specific this might not be entirely clear-cut. sorry to continue on the license issue, but i don't think that we are in flamewar hell at all (yet :-)) anyhow: it's true that the

Re: [PD-dev] [ pure-data-Bugs-2957058 ] pointer to [route symbol]-[print] crashes pd

2010-02-25 Thread IOhannes m zmoelnig
On 2010-02-25 17:37, SourceForge.net wrote: just like signals are. As you know, [print] shows them as a not very helpful (gpointer), but if you pass a pointer to [list prepend set]-[list trim] and into a message box: There pointers show up as (pointer) with the g missing. Anyway don't bother

Re: [PD-dev] [ pure-data-Bugs-2950978 ] iemlib/[soundfile_info]: does not load certain wav files

2010-03-15 Thread IOhannes m zmoelnig
On 2010-03-15 00:35, Roman Haefeli wrote: Hi I would like to know, how likely it is that this bug is going to be fixed in the next couple of weeks. Please do *not* understand this as a request and certainly not as a demand to fix it. Having this piece of information helps to define a

Re: [PD-dev] pix_multiblob mem leak

2010-03-15 Thread IOhannes m zmoelnig
On 2010-03-15 10:23, Gerrie Roos wrote: From the GemFAQ it appears that setting up a Windows build environment is a pain...should I even attempt to set up my own? What's the chances of success within a couple of hours? about 1% :-( 2010/3/15 Gerrie Roos gerrier...@gmail.com: This is the

Re: [PD-dev] post/verbose code

2010-03-16 Thread IOhannes m zmoelnig
On 2010-01-22 22:04, Miller Puckette wrote: Hi all, As I understand it... post() puts out an entire line, and startpost(), any number of poststring, etc, and then an endpost() also puts out one line. The only ugly thing is that some old code uses poststring (etc) to APPEND text to a

Re: [PD-dev] worth to create external?

2010-03-16 Thread IOhannes m zmoelnig
On 2010-03-16 12:07, Lorenzo wrote: Ok, but what I mean is also if there's some rule of thumb? My impression well, it really all depends on your skills in patching and C-coding (or python, lua, ...) anyhow, i would say that you should go for the abstraction implementation, unless it is

Re: [PD-dev] [ pure-data-Bugs-2970978 ] print lists format error

2010-03-17 Thread IOhannes m zmoelnig
On 2010-03-16 23:37, João Pais wrote: Excuse me for asking (and not trying as i cannot now) Does this mean that double newlines have been eliminated OR that lists are printed on one line? I suggested the latter some time ago

Re: [PD-dev] [ pure-data-Bugs-2970978 ] print lists format error

2010-03-17 Thread IOhannes m zmoelnig
On 2010-03-17 11:23, João Pais wrote: aha. it was Pd-0.43.0-devel-windowsxp-i386.exe, from maybe 2 days ago. well, i posted the update to the tracker immediately after i committed the change (yesterday). i see now, that this was unclear from what i had actually written. sorry for the confusion.

Re: [PD-dev] verbosity levels

2010-03-17 Thread IOhannes m zmoelnig
On 2010-03-17 17:51, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: hey IOhannes, Why generate verbosity levels on the fly? So far we've been using the syslog levels, I think we should stick with that and use that throughout. so far nobody has been using syslog levels. i don't know when they entered the

Re: [PD-dev] verbosity levels

2010-03-18 Thread IOhannes m zmoelnig
On 2010-03-17 21:18, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: This sounds a lot more complicated without much real gain. How about where do you see any complication? it can't be on the code side: it's exactly one more line of code to have a centrally configurable system instead of having hardcoded

Re: [PD-dev] gui-rewrite, apple_events.tcl imports pdtk_post?

2010-03-22 Thread IOhannes m zmoelnig
On 2010-03-20 19:37, IOhannes m zmölnig wrote: i haven't touched that file but i think it's safe to remove it (which i have done now) i mean to say: i haven't touched that file and have no idea where the error comes from, but i think it's safe to assume that the line is superfluous, so i have

Re: [PD-dev] Tcl entry box broken in pd-gui-rewrite 0.43

2010-03-29 Thread IOhannes m zmoelnig
On 2010-03-27 18:41, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: Hey IOhannes, With the latest revision of pd-gui-rewrite branch, the Tcl entry box is broken. I am guessing something in your recent commits broke it. It gets caught up on the validation. To reproduce, try typing code into the Tcl

Re: [PD-dev] using template Makefile for pdogg and maxlib

2010-04-06 Thread IOhannes m zmoelnig
On 2010-04-06 18:09, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: Towards the goal of Debianizing all of Pd-extended into separate packages, I'd like to reorg the 'pdogg' and 'maxlib' libraries in SVN using the template Makefile. Then I'll debianize them also. It'll mean changing the file layout a bit to

Re: [PD-dev] can't load gemlib

2010-04-12 Thread IOhannes m zmoelnig
On 2010-04-11 21:43, Lee Azzarello wrote: Debian testing 32 bit Linux musicmachine 2.6.32-trunk-686-bigmem #1 SMP Sun Jan 10 07:12:17 UTC 2010 i686 GNU/Linux pd-extended version 0.41.4-1 Debian package from http://apt.puredata.info squeeze libdir loader $Revision: 1.8 $ compiled

Re: [PD-dev] hex characters in library names

2010-04-14 Thread IOhannes m zmoelnig
On 2010-04-14 00:19, Roman Haefeli wrote: If it is only a matter of someone doing the boring uninspiring uninteresting painful work of renaming those functions, I _might_ be able to help, if there is interest (IOhannes?). If so, I would probably need some advice on how to do it correctly.

Re: [PD-dev] starting the Pd-extended release process

2010-06-07 Thread IOhannes m zmoelnig
On 2010-06-03 19:37, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: Unless I hear from anyone soon, I'm going to be copying trunk/externals to the pd-extended/0.42 branch today in preparation for making the final release. Any changes that need to happen in trunk can always be merged, and vice versa. some

Re: [PD-dev] starting the Pd-extended release process

2010-06-07 Thread IOhannes m zmoelnig
On 2010-06-07 09:09, IOhannes m zmoelnig wrote: - the package still conflicts with pd-externals, gem, pd-pdp, pd-zexy i thought i had changed this, but probably only in trunk and not in the 0.42 branch. i'll fix it. hmm, according to https://pure-data.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/pure-data

Re: [PD-dev] pd-mobile-0.43 branch moved

2010-06-07 Thread IOhannes m zmoelnig
On 2010-06-02 16:25, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: Hey all, FYI: I moved the pd-mobile-0.43 branch to a more appropriate location: https://pure-data.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/pure-data/branches/pd-mobile-0.43 out of curiosity: why branches/pd-mobile-0.43 rather than

Re: [PD-dev] uploading Pd git repository to sourceforge

2010-07-12 Thread IOhannes m zmoelnig
On 2010-07-12 05:33, Miller Puckette wrote: o Pd developers -- After much uncertainty how to proceed, I finally went ahead and 'pushed' my Pd git repository to sourceforgs -- available at http://pure-data.git.sourceforge.net/git/gitweb.cgi?p=pure-data/pure-data or to clone it to your

Re: [PD-dev] uploading Pd git repository to sourceforge

2010-07-12 Thread IOhannes m zmoelnig
hi miller. On 2010-07-12 18:22, Miller Puckette wrote: Hmm... I hadn't tried the 'new' build but apparently am missing something. I'll try adding HC's Makefile.am and see if I can build it that way over here. i guess you'll need to add all the Makefile.am's right now (they are scattered over

[PD-dev] automake in git (was: uploading Pd git repository to sourceforge)

2010-07-15 Thread IOhannes m zmoelnig
here is a patch for current git that should make the automake functional again. note: when doing a make install, the pd binary only get's installed into /usr/local/bin/pd (by default) and not into /usr/local/lib/pd/bin/pd; this is not a problem unless you try to start Pd from the gui-side (pd-gui

Re: [PD-dev] [PATCH] made automake system kind-of work

2010-07-15 Thread IOhannes m zmoelnig
On 2010-07-15 16:06, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: FYI: if you remove all makefiles in 'extra' you can replace it with the extra/Makefile from pd-gui-rewrite-0.43 which builds all objects in 'extra'. It has the added advantage of working on GNU/Linux, Mac OS X, MinGW and Cygwin, plus is

Re: [PD-dev] automake in git

2010-07-15 Thread IOhannes m zmoelnig
On 2010-07-15 16:08, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: That rather tedious enumeration is something that rarely changes and provides error checking where automatic enumeration does not. A build system should know if any of the relevant files are missing, and it should ignore all non-relevant

Re: [PD-dev] including more headers in 'make install'

2010-08-05 Thread IOhannes m zmoelnig
On 2010-08-04 21:29, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: I've packaged up a bunch of libraries as pd packages, and they rely on headers besides just m_pd.h. These headers should be included in the 'make install' so that people can easily build them. I think we should install these headers into

[PD-dev] [PATCH] headers into ${includedir}/pd/

2010-08-05 Thread IOhannes m zmoelnig
in order to not pollute /usr/include/ with files like s_stuff.h and to prevent name-clashes with other packages, headers should go into a special subdirectory. make install installs headers into ${includedir}/pd to make this directory findeable, this also includes pkg-config support ---

Re: [PD-dev] dynamic patching: getting info on objects

2010-08-19 Thread IOhannes m zmoelnig
On 2010-08-19 07:14, Ted Hayes wrote: Following up on this—doesn't look like anything in iemguts will help. Basically I need either 1) A way to generate a list (once) of all object names, number of inlets and outlets or 2) A way to output the number of inlets and outlets for a given

Re: [PD-dev] initbang and friends WAS: run-up to release 0.43

2010-08-23 Thread IOhannes m zmoelnig
On 2010-08-23 17:33, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: Yeah, we definitely don't want [initbang] to be used too often, I can i would also like to state, that we shouldn't use [metro] too often. reversely, one cannot use [trigger] too often. so Pd should print out a warning if there is no [t] in

Re: [PD-dev] initbang and friends WAS: run-up to release 0.43

2010-08-24 Thread IOhannes m zmoelnig
On 2010-08-23 19:10, Jonathan Wilkes wrote: Btw-- in your live-coding example you mentioned you were sending the audio to a bus and would use [initbang] to fade in. But how do you use [closebang] to fade out? Does [closebang] send a trigger to one of the sister abstractions to do the

Re: [PD-dev] initbang and friends WAS: run-up to release 0.43

2010-08-24 Thread IOhannes m zmoelnig
On 2010-08-24 05:39, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: or use [constructorbang] and [destructorbang] [createbang] and [destroybang] is a nice pair. :) yes, but they have 2 drawbacks: - the seem to be actors rather than reactors; e.g. i would expect [destroybang] to destroy something, rather

Re: [PD-dev] initbang and friends WAS: run-up to release 0.43

2010-08-25 Thread IOhannes m zmoelnig
On 2010-08-24 22:17, Jonathan Wilkes wrote: I'd love to see an example of this in action. Just from your description I'm wondering why you wouldn't do the fade from inside the abstraction, and just delay destroying it until the fade out has finished. ever tried to delay destroying an

Re: [PD-dev] [ pure-data-Bugs-3052690 ] new build system does not build 'extra' files in place

2010-08-25 Thread IOhannes m zmoelnig
On 2010-08-25 05:36, SourceForge.net wrote: Priority: 7 hi. while i have tried to quickly fix the given problem, i would like to raise the question, whether somebody could give me an example bug report with a priority of e.g. 3. i guess the reason to raise the priority, is to get it into Pd

Re: [PD-dev] initbang and friends

2010-08-26 Thread IOhannes m zmoelnig
On 2010-08-25 19:16, Jonathan Wilkes wrote: Also, if you roll too many of your own in Pd, you end up doing so at the expense of portability. I don't want to send a library of my hacks to standard objects with every patch I show to someone else. the implementation i attached in my last

Re: [PD-dev] initbang and friends WAS: run-up to release 0.43

2010-08-26 Thread IOhannes m zmoelnig
On 2010-08-25 19:16, Jonathan Wilkes wrote: ever tried to delay destroying an object? With mouse and cut messages, yes. With your objects, no. What happens? you are talking about a completely different thing than i am. so let's reset this discussion to my original example. it's

Re: [PD-dev] 0.43 startup procedure and vwait WAS: [PATCH 06/10] fixed race-condition in the audio/midi API initialization

2010-09-01 Thread IOhannes m zmoelnig
On 2010-09-01 06:06, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: I refactored the startup/vwait code to be close to the pd-gui-rewrite/0.43 startup procedure, but I removed the timeout that I think was at the root of the problems here. I'll put together a patch once I test it a bit more. i wouldn't

Re: [PD-dev] packaging loaders for Debian

2010-09-06 Thread IOhannes m zmoelnig
On 2010-09-06 17:41, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: Why do you think having the ability to autoload loaders is a bad idea? I can't see a disadvantage, but I am not saying there couldn't be one. i can't think of one, but that doesn't mean that there is none. my main point was, that in

Re: [PD-dev] packaging loaders for Debian

2010-09-08 Thread IOhannes m zmoelnig
On 2010-09-06 17:41, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: Why do you think having the ability to autoload loaders is a bad idea? I can't see a disadvantage, but I am not saying there couldn't be one. I would like to see it be possible to write Pd objects in a bunch of different langauges, then

Re: [PD-dev] [ pure-data-Patches-3065532 ] [bugfix] autotools on MinGW/MSYS

2010-09-14 Thread IOhannes m zmoelnig
On 2010-09-14 11:30, SourceForge.net wrote: Message: i see the problem, but fail to understand why the chaining does not stop the entire build. i guess that the call to aclocal fails, but why autogen.sh then returns TRUE is beyond my understanding. it seems like i cannot log into the

[PD-dev] autotools on MinGW/MSYS

2010-09-15 Thread IOhannes m zmoelnig
On 2010-09-14 17:42, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: i believe the patch i attached to the ticket to solve the problem but have not been able to test on the very platform. ok, i managed to log in, and my patch indeed solves the reported problem. however, there are more issues, coming from

Re: [PD-dev] using the MSYS and Cygwin shells on the PdLab server

2010-09-15 Thread IOhannes m zmoelnig
On 2010-09-15 15:25, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: I'm cc'ing pd-dev so others may benefit from this. There is nothing magic about the files in Cygwin and MSYS, they are all on the same file system. The problem is each system has its own root path: sure. * in MSYS, its /c ha, i didn't

Re: [PD-dev] autotools on MinGW/MSYS

2010-09-15 Thread IOhannes m zmoelnig
On 2010-09-15 15:20, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: if we need a c++-aware linker, then we should ask for a c++-aware linker (rather than force a c++ compiler). afaik, automake can handle this with a 1-liner. Try building with the ASIO sources, which are C++ and need to be built i have

Re: [PD-dev] autotools on MinGW/MSYS

2010-09-15 Thread IOhannes m zmoelnig
On 2010-09-15 15:56, IOhannes m zmoelnig wrote: On 2010-09-15 15:20, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: if we need a c++-aware linker, then we should ask for a c++-aware linker (rather than force a c++ compiler). afaik, automake can handle this with a 1-liner. Try building with the ASIO

[PD-dev] some late 0.43 patches...

2010-10-18 Thread IOhannes m zmoelnig
hi miller, list... i hear you are busy doing some bugfixing for the 0.43 release with hans... working on the integra-live project i noticed a number of problems with the portaudio support in Pd, some of them being real showstoppers (read: they crash Pd) i submitted a number of patches to

Re: [PD-dev] Debian packaging: multi-object/single-file libraries or single-object/multiple-files libraries?

2010-11-11 Thread IOhannes m zmoelnig
On 2010-11-10 22:06, Roman Haefeli wrote: In the case of iemmatrix (and also zexy, which actually already is packaged as a multi-object-single-file library in Debian, but as a one-object-one-file library in Pd-extended) and assuming that there won't be any intelligent loader loader soon,

Re: [PD-dev] Debian packaging: multi-object/single-file libraries or single-object/multiple-files libraries?

2010-11-11 Thread IOhannes m zmoelnig
On 2010-11-11 10:07, Roman Haefeli wrote: pd-iemmatrix: generic single-file library depending on the metapackage 'pd'. pdextended-iemmatrix: dedicated iemmatrix package for Pd-extended, dependent on 'pd-extendeded', compiled as one-object-per-file library. What do

Re: [PD-dev] split out 'osc' and 'net' from 'mrpeach'?

2010-11-29 Thread IOhannes m zmoelnig
On 2010-11-29 18:36, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: It is OK IMHO to have iemnet use the names as the mrpeach objects as long as the stated goal is interface compatibility. But I think this packaging idea is just added complication without and real benefit. A library is a library in Debian

Re: [PD-dev] Where to report issues with 0.43 development branch?

2010-11-30 Thread IOhannes m zmoelnig
On 2010-11-30 11:43, Roman Haefeli wrote: Hi If people are supposed to already report bugs with the current dev (0.43) branch, where should they do so? i'd say here or at the sf-tracker. Is this the correct place to get most recent sources from:

Re: [PD-dev] split out 'osc' and 'net' from 'mrpeach'?

2010-12-01 Thread IOhannes m zmoelnig
On 2010-12-01 03:02, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: I call mrpeach/net canonical not because I believe is it perfect and bugfree, but rather because it is the established, proven way of doing more elaborate networking. i think it is not canonical as it tends to change it's API to workaround

[PD-dev] general makefile question

2010-12-01 Thread IOhannes m zmoelnig
during the debian packaging of externals i once more stumbled across one of my many problems with make, which i was never able to solve in a satisfactory way. it is: the Makefile uses CFLAGS and LDFLAGS to set crucial flags to the build process e.g. LDFLAGS uses -Wl,--export-dynamic -shared to

Re: [PD-dev] general makefile question

2010-12-02 Thread IOhannes m zmoelnig
On 2010-12-01 22:38, Bryan Jurish wrote: moin folks, On 2010-12-01 18:00:21, IOhannes m zmoelnig zmoel...@iem.at appears to have written: what is the canonical way to use the passed FLAGS and at the same time adding whatever is needed? something like 'PD_LDFLAGS=-Wl,--export-dynamic

Re: [PD-dev] general makefile question

2010-12-02 Thread IOhannes m zmoelnig
On 2010-12-01 23:56, Albert Graef wrote: IOhannes m zmölnig wrote: however, afaict, CFLAGS and LDFLAGS are commonly meant to be settable by the user, so setting those should not break the build system. Exactly. Therefore a Makefile should *not* set CFLAGS, CXXFLAGS, LDFLAGS and the like, or

Re: [PD-dev] removing non-free code from pure-data SVN

2010-12-09 Thread IOhannes m zmoelnig
On 2010-12-08 21:37, Xavier Miller wrote: Hello, . So, yes, please list ALL the licences which are included in PD/PD-extended, especially those that are not compatible with common Open Source / Free licences ! At least users need to know they use non-free parts of software, and use it

Re: [PD-dev] removing non-free code from pure-data SVN

2010-12-09 Thread IOhannes m zmoelnig
On 2010-12-09 16:32, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: First off, I need to say I think Yves' code is great and very useful, and he's doing important work that no one else is currently doing. This has nothing to do with that. Yves changed his license to a non-free license, which he is free to

Re: [PD-dev] about [tcpserver] (mrpeach and iemnet)

2010-12-13 Thread IOhannes m zmoelnig
On 2010-12-13 17:43, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: From what I've seen, most network buffering is done with a ring buffer, so a fixed size. That's my two bits... flames so what exactly are you trying to tell us? one of the reasons for me to change my entire system and to switch to Pd was

Re: [PD-dev] about [tcpserver] (mrpeach and iemnet)

2010-12-13 Thread IOhannes m zmoelnig
On 2010-12-13 23:15, Roman Haefeli wrote: On Mon, 2010-12-13 at 14:42 -0500, Martin wrote: What? It's better to crash the server than to disconnect an unresponsive client? Why crashing the server? I don't get the alarmism. If a patch needs to i think martin commented on my if you rather go

Re: [PD-dev] 64bit linux compiling issue

2011-01-24 Thread IOhannes m zmoelnig
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 2011-01-24 19:57, Felix Pfeifer wrote: Hi, Here is what i did: I compiled pd-extended-0.42.5 on a 64bit slackware linux. Everything seemed to work fine until i try to run then i would say it is _not_ a compilation issue. pdextended. I

[PD-dev] sourceforge cleanup

2011-02-10 Thread IOhannes m zmoelnig
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 hi all, i want to inform you, that i have done a routine cleanup of our developers at sourceforge. 18 people, who have not committed anything within the last two (2) years, were contacted on the 2011-01-20 (that was also the deadline for the 2 years

Re: [PD-dev] status of verbose() in 0.43?

2011-02-15 Thread IOhannes m zmoelnig
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 2011-02-15 01:59, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: Hmm, this might be the problem, in doverbose(): sys_vgui(::pdwindow::post %d {%s}\n, level+4, strnescape(upbuf, s, MAXPDSTRING)); Why is there level+4? Why not just pass level straight

Re: [PD-dev] status of verbose() in 0.43?

2011-02-15 Thread IOhannes m zmoelnig
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 2011-02-15 16:15, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: I get the ranked levels, that stuff make sense. I am wondering about the algorithm. In both C and Tcl, the verbose() posting is adding 4 to the level value, so that means if people are doing

Re: [PD-dev] status of verbose() in 0.43?

2011-02-16 Thread IOhannes m zmoelnig
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 2011-02-16 04:53, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: Do you remember why those incr 4 and level+4 are there to begin yes, so that verbose(0, is not the same as error( with? I think removing that is the best solution, the duplication should be

Re: [PD-dev] status of verbose() in 0.43?

2011-02-22 Thread IOhannes m zmoelnig
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 2011-02-22 07:32, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: So how about this: - keep verbose() as it is - add logpost(level, message) to both Tcl and C - change ::pdwindow::post to mirror the C post() i.e. remove level - remove ::pdwindow::fatal,

Re: [PD-dev] status of verbose() in 0.43?

2011-02-23 Thread IOhannes m zmoelnig
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 2011-02-22 23:26, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: This would be very nice, I could see being about to double-click any line in the log and have it pop up which object made the log message. I won't have time to implement this in the foreseeable

Re: [PD-dev] status of verbose() in 0.43?

2011-02-23 Thread IOhannes m zmoelnig
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 2011-02-23 09:05, IOhannes m zmoelnig wrote: On 2011-02-22 23:26, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: This would be very nice, I could see being about to double-click any line in the log and have it pop up which object made the log message. I

Re: [PD-dev] status of verbose() in 0.43?

2011-02-24 Thread IOhannes m zmoelnig
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 2011-02-23 21:52, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: It seems to me the way to really do this would be to have post() and logpost() find out the calling object instance on its own, if that's possible. Then it would automatically apply to all

[PD-dev] svn: let's move pdgui-plugins

2011-02-28 Thread IOhannes m zmoelnig
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 right now the gui-plugins in our svn-repository live in /trunk/scripts/guiplugins/ i find this most unfortunate, since a) the other scripts in the /trunk/scripts/ section are mainly concerned with build-systems and the like, and could thus be

Re: [PD-dev] Pointers changing/corrupting (used to be signal nan values)

2011-04-27 Thread IOhannes m zmoelnig
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 2011-04-27 12:08, Andrew Hassall wrote: Anyone have any ideas why the pointer would change so dramatically? Is it being corrupted? if so any ideas what by? do you mind sharing the complete code? and an unrelated issue with your code: you

Re: [PD-dev] Pointers changing/corrupting (used to be signal nan values)

2011-04-27 Thread IOhannes m zmoelnig
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 2011-04-27 13:17, Andrew Hassall wrote: No thats fine, I've attached both c files. (they are a bit messy at the moment due to debugging and tearing them apart sorry, if you need cleaner commented code I can comment it up no problem) a quick

Re: [PD-dev] Pointers changing/corrupting (used to be signal nan values)

2011-04-27 Thread IOhannes m zmoelnig
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 some more comments, to fill in the gaps: On 2011-04-27 13:51, IOhannes m zmoelnig wrote: a quick glance at lpcanalysis_tilde_new() reveils, that you are allocating data on the stack (which will be freed as soon as you leave lpcanalysis_tilde_new

Re: [PD-dev] Pointers changing/corrupting (used to be signal nan values)

2011-04-27 Thread IOhannes m zmoelnig
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 2011-04-27 18:09, Andrew Hassall wrote: When allocating memory with getbytes how do you refer to it as an array? I can't seem to set values in the allocated memory using *(mybytes+index) like normal. as long as you only have one-dimensional

Re: [PD-dev] New externals

2011-05-30 Thread IOhannes m zmoelnig
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 2011-05-29 21:40, András Murányi wrote: use [speedlim] from... err, it's included in iemlib, maxlib and cyclone, and or write one yourself. it takes about 6 basic objects. fgamsdr IOhannes -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11

Re: [PD-dev] Pd-cvs Digest, Vol 75, Issue 5

2011-05-30 Thread IOhannes m zmoelnig
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 2011-05-30 12:00, pd-cvs-requ...@iem.at wrote: Message: 1 Date: Thu, 1 Jan 1970 07:39:28 -0500 (EST) From: p...@macosx104-powerpc.idmi.poly.edu (Pd User) Subject: [PD-cvs] autobuild: pd-extended macosx104-powerpc 1970-01-01 03.15.05

Re: [PD-dev] revised search-plugin.tcl

2011-06-21 Thread IOhannes m zmoelnig
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 2011-06-21 02:13, Jonathan Wilkes wrote: How does one tell the difference? i think the idea is to segregrate based on the paths libraries are installed to. usually there are directories where you need suprt-user rights to write to. whenever

Re: [PD-dev] packaging the pddp docs

2011-06-29 Thread IOhannes m zmoelnig
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 ola, On 2011-06-27 21:21, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: Here's the files in puredata-doc: http://packages.debian.org/sid/all/puredata-doc/filelist in case this has gone unnoticed, i wanted to point out, that currently the reference-patches

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