Re: [PD] another basic pd question/creation arguments in abstraction

2007-10-18 Thread IOhannes m zmoelnig
Roman Haefeli wrote: [list $1] - allows both, symbols and floats shouldn't this be [list append $1]? mfgasd.r IOhannes ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list

Re: [PD] another basic pd question/creation arguments in abstraction

2007-10-18 Thread Atte André Jensen
IOhannes m zmoelnig wrote: [list $1] - allows both, symbols and floats shouldn't this be [list append $1]? I tried both and both seem to work. There might be some situations where the append make a difference, though... -- peace, love harmony Atte http://atte.dk |

Re: [PD] Pd-extended final release candidate - please test!

2007-10-18 Thread IOhannes m zmoelnig
Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: On Oct 17, 2007, at 2:48 PM, Mathieu Bouchard wrote: On Tue, 16 Oct 2007, IOhannes m zmoelnig wrote: newer versions of debian (and therefore ubuntu) have replaced libquicktime0 (0.9.x) by libquicktime1 (1.0.x) most likely these are binary compatible 0.9.7

Re: [PD] pd to webpage

2007-10-18 Thread Frank Barknecht
Hallo, Hans-Christoph Steiner hat gesagt: // Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: This is very cool, keep us posted on your progress! I am thinking of trying to write an IRC client in Pd. Then there could be an embedded IRC client in Pd-extended that is tied into the help system. You click

Re: [PD] many paths, how

2007-10-18 Thread Jamie Bullock
On Wed, 2007-10-17 at 00:08 +0200, Frank Barknecht wrote: Hallo, Atte André Jensen hat gesagt: // Atte André Jensen wrote: My paths section in my preferences is full, and I need to ad another. remember there was some discussion recently about how to add more, but I can't seem to find

Re: [PD] another basic pd question/creation arguments in abstraction

2007-10-18 Thread Frank Barknecht
Hallo, Roman Haefeli hat gesagt: // Roman Haefeli wrote: there is no mechanism in pd, that allows you to check, whether a certain argument for an abstraction was specified or not. when a certain argument is not given, pd just assumes '0'. if '0' is not part of your intended argument range,

Re: [PD] [PD-dev] openpanel length limit on OSX and linux / Testing latest release

2007-10-18 Thread Tim Boykett
Hi Hans and all, this is still broken in the latest release from pd-extended. I hope it can be fixed! cheers, tim On 05/10/2007, at 5:13 PM, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: While you are at it, you might consider removing the extraneous char buf in postfloat() void postfloat(float f)

Re: [PD] pdpedia classifications

2007-10-18 Thread IOhannes m zmoelnig
Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deprecated deprecated is a status that the author gives to code to say that there is a better version available which should be used instead. It's not a mark of whether something works or not. exactly my thinking. however,

Re: [PD] sound annotation

2007-10-18 Thread Jamie Bullock
On Wed, 2007-10-17 at 17:22 +0200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: hello list, I am looking for a way to annotate sound, so to associate text information to sound files. Would it be a way in pd to do it? I would need to create time stamps in a sound file and associate keywords and notes to these

[PD] Calling a canvas names [was: Re: syntax of Pd files]

2007-10-18 Thread Frank Barknecht
Hallo, Mathieu Bouchard hat gesagt: // Mathieu Bouchard wrote: On Wed, 17 Oct 2007, Frank Barknecht wrote: I think, one of the problems of [namecanvas] is that it's an object, and thus it can be deleted by a message. One suggested way out was to instead make namecanvas an actual property

Re: [PD] many paths, how

2007-10-18 Thread IOhannes m zmoelnig
Jamie Bullock wrote: It is also one of the most frequent questions I get asked when I introduce new users to PD. interestingly enough i never have been asked this. most likely it is not the initial design that a lot of paths are to be added. Personally I think the entire 'search paths'

Re: [PD] syntax of Pd files

2007-10-18 Thread IOhannes m zmoelnig
Mathieu Bouchard wrote: On Wed, 17 Oct 2007, Frank Barknecht wrote: I think, one of the problems of [namecanvas] is that it's an object, and thus it can be deleted by a message. One suggested way out was to instead make namecanvas an actual property of the canvas, that is set through the

[PD] webring name and url (!) changed to pd_ring

2007-10-18 Thread kluppe
hi pd-people! i received an email from webring.com, telling me that webring is now a registered trademark of webring.com and asking me to discontinue use of the term webring on my website. i don't know if this has any juristic relevance to me, since i am not in the us and i am not using the

Re: [PD] sound annotation

2007-10-18 Thread Chuckk Hubbard
There's also video... -Chuckk On 10/17/07, Hans-Christoph Steiner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: WAV files can store notes, IIRC. Or at least Audacity can tie text to audio projects. I am sure other audio editors can too, but I am not sure there is currently a way to get that text in Pd. .hc

Re: [PD] sound annotation

2007-10-18 Thread Chuckk Hubbard
Incidentally, you might find interesting the recent discussion on this list that we don't talk about anymore. I see a paper online, that looks like it's by you, about Pd and feminism. This is a hot topic here. -Chuckk On 10/17/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: hello list, I am

Re: [PD] Calling a canvas names [was: Re: syntax of Pd files]

2007-10-18 Thread Frank Barknecht
Hallo, Frank Barknecht hat gesagt: // Frank Barknecht wrote: As I see it, the only purpose of [namecanvas] is to allow sending messages to an instance of an abstraction and generally these messages involve some kind of dynamic editing. Building a network of objects on a canvas often is easier

Re: [PD] [OT] Re: about sexism is TERMINATE THREAD PLEASE

2007-10-18 Thread Chuckk Hubbard
I see you found the thread yourself, while I was running around trying to find work instead of staying updated. On 10/17/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: and about feminist jokes. well you know feminism is in total discredit, is not fashionable anymore but the conditions for

Re: [PD] [-SPAM-] Re: many paths, how

2007-10-18 Thread Jamie Bullock
On Thu, 2007-10-18 at 10:29 +0200, IOhannes m zmoelnig wrote: Jamie Bullock wrote: It is also one of the most frequent questions I get asked when I introduce new users to PD. interestingly enough i never have been asked this. most likely it is not the initial design that a lot of

Re: [PD] [OT] Re: about sexism is TERMINATE THREAD PLEASE

2007-10-18 Thread Patrice Colet
Hello, just a parenthesis to make things clear, :), Chuckk Hubbard a écrit : I wasn't aware that women didn't participate. My few exchanges with Patrice convinced me she knows far more than I about computers and especially Pd, but for a year or two I had no idea what her sex was. As

Re: [PD] [-SPAM-] Re: many paths, how

2007-10-18 Thread Patrice Colet
hi, didn't Chun Lee made all the work in desiredata? Jamie Bullock a écrit : On Thu, 2007-10-18 at 10:29 +0200, IOhannes m zmoelnig wrote: Jamie Bullock wrote: It is also one of the most frequent questions I get asked when I introduce new users to PD. interestingly enough i never have been

Re: [PD] [OT] Re: about sexism is TERMINATE THREAD PLEASE

2007-10-18 Thread Chuckk Hubbard
On 10/18/07, Patrice Colet [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, just a parenthesis to make things clear, :), Chuckk Hubbard a écrit : I wasn't aware that women didn't participate. My few exchanges with Patrice convinced me she knows far more than I about computers and especially Pd, but for

[PD] Tuxdroid and pure data

2007-10-18 Thread Olivier Revollat
Does anybody use pure data with tuxdroid (http://www.tuxisalive.com/) ? ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list

Re: [PD] many paths, how

2007-10-18 Thread Atte André Jensen
Jamie Bullock wrote: I have a few ideas about how it might be improved: How about a checkbox recurse subdirs that'll traverse subdirs. I know this can lead to bad things (wrong load order of files with same name), but this can also happen with individual dirs. I'd like to split my growing pd

Re: [PD] webring name and url (!) changed to pd_ring

2007-10-18 Thread hard off
yeah, and as if anyone was taking away their revenue by using the term. bloody hell i hate trademark/copyright laws. understand you just doing the sensible thing and standing clear of the bastards though. the PD-RING is cool though. thanks for putting it up.

Re: [PD] pyode problems

2007-10-18 Thread Frank Barknecht
Hallo, marius schebella hat gesagt: // marius schebella wrote: (sorry, if you get this twice, I forgot the attachement) (Sorry for replying late, I automatically sort away mails with zip files, as these often are virusses and I only occasionally look into that mbox.) when I play around with

Re: [PD] many paths, how

2007-10-18 Thread Thomas O Fredericks
But isn't this all deprecated? I thought the new official way of loading externals in Pd-Extended was to either use prefixes or the import object (which make more sense with the upcoming Pdpedia, permits the dynamic loading of libs and better follows the standard import method seen in other

Re: [PD] Hey Pd-list@iem.at ;)

2007-10-18 Thread Charles Henry
what is this? I'm afraid to try On 10/18/07, Enrique Franco [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.hi5.com/register/jy2g3?inviteId=A_9b274a1_rSZw01uTU9p162690209 enrique ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -

Re: [PD] pd to webpage

2007-10-18 Thread Thomas O Fredericks
What is the difference between [str] and [any2string]? If I understand correctly str is a wrapper for standard string functions and it's output is a pointer to a string. I believe this approach is more limited that using any2string because all basic string functions can be recreated once a symbol

Re: [PD] webring name and url (!) changed to pd_ring

2007-10-18 Thread Dafydd Hughes
Yeah - I'm pretty sure that's completely groundless. You should send a copy to BoingBoing. They love that stuff. Understandable that you don't want to get into it with a big company, but I bet they don't have any legal leg to stand on. It's a real bummer. The pd webring is where I first

Re: [PD] many paths, how

2007-10-18 Thread Frank Barknecht
Hallo, Hans-Christoph Steiner hat gesagt: // Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: I think it would be very good to have cleaned up preferences windows for Pd in general. They are one of the biggest uability issues in Pd right now. If someone writes the code, it can easily be included into

Re: [PD] Hey Pd-list@iem.at ;)

2007-10-18 Thread Andy Farnell
Just grubby little spammers. Glad you posted Charles, because your copy contains an identical query string, which means they do not have the iem list and therefore every mail was sent through the list and is identical (instead of a forged header). That means anyone who clicked the link has not

Re: [PD] another basic pd question/creation arguments in abstraction

2007-10-18 Thread Frank Barknecht
Hallo, Atte André Jensen hat gesagt: // Atte André Jensen wrote: What can I do then about audio rate inlets? Inlets (sig and control) and arguments aren't related in any predefined way. Obviously you cannot pass signals itself as arguments, only symbols and numbers are possible, so any

Re: [PD] Hey Pd-list@iem.at ;)

2007-10-18 Thread Patrice Colet
Enrique Franco a écrit : http://www.hi5.com/register/jy2g3?inviteId=A_9b274a1_rSZw01uTU9p162690209 enrique you can't put this link like that in any mailing-list, you must provide informations about you and your purposes, otherwise it's considered like an annoyement. I've got a

Re: [PD] many paths, how

2007-10-18 Thread Patrice Colet
hi! Frank Barknecht a écrit : Hallo, Hans-Christoph Steiner hat gesagt: // Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: I think it would be very good to have cleaned up preferences windows for Pd in general. .pdrc rocks my world and it can rock yours, too! The only thing missing is comments.

[PD] [shell] on OSX...

2007-10-18 Thread Derek Holzer
...is painfully slow! It takes minutes sometimes to execute a command that the terminal handles is a second or two. Why is that? Does anyone else have this problem? Also, it doesn't seem to understand, for example cd /home/derek, since a pwd command immediately after still lists / as the

Re: [PD] webring name and url (!) changed to pd_ring

2007-10-18 Thread Andy Farnell
On Thu, 18 Oct 2007 22:09:30 +0900 hard off [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: term. bloody hell i hate trademark/copyright laws. It's not copyright/trademark law, these are abusers of trademark law who operate from within a completely dysfunctional legal system in a country that has apparently

Re: [PD] [OT] Re: about sexism is TERMINATE THREAD PLEASE

2007-10-18 Thread Kevin McCoy
Equality is equality, and doesn't need another name. If a man is treated badly for his gender, does he have less right to justice because he is a member of a group less often treated badly? Maybe not in theory, but in many people's actions, yes. I believe in equal rights, but I don't

Re: [PD] another basic pd question/creation arguments in abstraction

2007-10-18 Thread Roman Haefeli
yo, hi frank and IOhannes On Thu, 2007-10-18 at 08:04 +0200, Frank Barknecht wrote: [loadbang] | [list $1] - allows both, symbols and floats [list append $1] - allows both, symbols and floats On Thu, 2007-10-18 at 09:21 +0200, IOhannes m zmoelnig wrote: shouldn't this be [list

Re: [PD] webring name and url (!) changed to pd_ring

2007-10-18 Thread Mathieu Bouchard
On Thu, 18 Oct 2007, kluppe wrote: so: i changed the name and url of pd webring to pd_ring. please change the code of pd webring on your websites to point to http://pd.klingt.org/pd_ring/ instead. You could also just ignore the guy. I am not planning to update my pd webring code anytime

Re: [PD] Hey Pd-list@iem.at ;)

2007-10-18 Thread Andy Farnell
Is Enrique a list member who genuinely posted that? If so, my apologies to Enrique if you were merely trying to enlist friends on your profile. As Pat says, it's an annoyance and considered bad form. It looks like a spam tactic where spammers obtain a list they want to filter for active email

Re: [PD] [shell] on OSX...

2007-10-18 Thread IOhannes m zmoelnig
Derek Holzer wrote: ...is painfully slow! It takes minutes sometimes to execute a command that the terminal handles is a second or two. Why is that? Does anyone else have this problem? i cannot help you here, but most likely it is a problem with initializing a context: everytime you call

Re: [PD] Hey Pd-list@iem.at ;)

2007-10-18 Thread eric labelle
Actually whenever you join any of these social networking sites they offer to import your email contacts and invite everyone who's email you have to add your profile. It's not spam in the classic sense it's just that enrique got click happy and didn't realise he was not only hitting the list with

Re: [PD] webring name and url (!) changed to pd_ring

2007-10-18 Thread Andy Farnell
On Thu, 18 Oct 2007 11:56:35 -0400 marius schebella [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: a. Use Here's how I remember it Marius. The term webring was in use circa 1995, in the preteen adolescence of the internet if you like. There were thousands of webrings on all subjects from absailing to ZX81 games.

Re: [PD] Hey Pd-list@iem.at ;)

2007-10-18 Thread Mathieu Bouchard
On Thu, 18 Oct 2007, eric labelle wrote: Actually whenever you join any of these social networking sites they offer to import your email contacts and invite everyone who's email you have to add your profile. It's not spam in the classic sense it's just that enrique got click happy and didn't

Re: [PD] pd to webpage

2007-10-18 Thread Thomas O Fredericks
The help is in moocow/pdstring-help.pd Tom On 10/18/07, Martin Peach [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thomas O Fredericks wrote: What is the difference between [str] and [any2string]? I don't know. I can't find the help file for [any2string] so I don't know how to use it. Maybe I have to look at

Re: [PD] [shell] on OSX...

2007-10-18 Thread IOhannes m zmoelnig
Derek Holzer wrote: Hi IOhannes, IOhannes m zmoelnig wrote: what you are sending to [shell] basically _is_ a shellscript... Ah, OK, now I see. I've been doing it the way you suggested, and as I reported it's painfully slow. Several degrees of ten times slower than the same

Re: [PD] webring name and url (!) changed to pd_ring

2007-10-18 Thread marius schebella
I think webring is a generic term anyway, so I don't know what this company wants. you cannot name a product salt when used in connection with sodium chloride... marius. Andy Farnell wrote: On Thu, 18 Oct 2007 11:56:35 -0400 marius schebella [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: a. Use Here's how I

Re: [PD] [OT] Re: about sexism is TERMINATE THREAD PLEASE

2007-10-18 Thread Chuckk Hubbard
On 10/18/07, Kevin McCoy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Equality is equality, and doesn't need another name. If a man is treated badly for his gender, does he have less right to justice because he is a member of a group less often treated badly? Maybe not in theory, but in many people's

Re: [PD] pd to webpage

2007-10-18 Thread Thomas O Fredericks
The main difference is that moocow's conversion of a message into a string appends a 0 at the end of the created list. Tom On 10/18/07, Thomas O Fredericks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The help is in moocow/pdstring-help.pd Tom On 10/18/07, Martin Peach [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thomas O

Re: [PD] [shell] on OSX...

2007-10-18 Thread Roman Haefeli
On Thu, 2007-10-18 at 19:15 +0200, IOhannes m zmoelnig wrote: Derek Holzer wrote: Hi IOhannes, IOhannes m zmoelnig wrote: what you are sending to [shell] basically _is_ a shellscript... Ah, OK, now I see. I've been doing it the way you suggested, and as I reported it's

Re: [PD] Getting system time from an object

2007-10-18 Thread Derek Holzer
Check the help file for [shell] best, d. Batuhan Bozkurt wrote: Hi, Is there any object or way to extract system time from within PD? Resolution of a second would suffice. A friend using PD for an experiment needs to dump system times to results automatically. It would be fairly easy

Re: [PD] Getting system time from an object

2007-10-18 Thread IOhannes m zmoelnig
Batuhan Bozkurt wrote: Hi, Is there any object or way to extract system time from within PD? Resolution of a second would suffice. A friend using PD for an experiment needs to dump system times to results automatically. It would be fairly easy to make an external for it but I think there

Re: [PD] pd to webpage

2007-10-18 Thread IOhannes m zmoelnig
Thomas O Fredericks wrote: The main difference is that moocow's conversion of a message into a string appends a 0 at the end of the created list. which is not true any more with recent versions of pdstring. the main difference still is, that str requires a patched version of Pd. fmard

Re: [PD] pd to webpage

2007-10-18 Thread Martin Peach
Thomas O Fredericks wrote: The help is in moocow/pdstring-help.pd It's not there in the autobuilt Pd version 0.40.3-extended-20070905 even though any2string is there in extra/flatspace, but I found it in cvs. I'll see if I can do the webserver with it. Martin Tom On 10/18/07, Martin

Re: [PD] pd to webpage

2007-10-18 Thread IOhannes m zmoelnig
Bryan Jurish wrote: run. Hopefully, at some point I'll be able to implement [any2string] and [string2any] as simple wrappers around [str], but I haven't gotten around to trying it yet ;-) in the meantime, could you have a look at my last bugreport on pdstrings? fmg.asdr IOhannes

Re: [PD] [OT] Re: about sexism is TERMINATE THREAD PLEASE

2007-10-18 Thread Chuckk Hubbard
On 10/18/07, Yves Degoyon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ola, this is an excellent summing up of all that is wrong here... i didn't except to find soo much c.r.a.p. under the carpet .. you can call me a troll, but i don't think i'm so braindead [maybe tired]. You never did explain why you

Re: [PD] webring name and url (!) changed to pd_ring

2007-10-18 Thread Mathieu Bouchard
On Thu, 18 Oct 2007, marius schebella wrote: I think webring is a generic term anyway, so I don't know what this company wants. you cannot name a product salt when used in connection with sodium chloride... marius. I believe that this is a trademark that changed hands several times since

Re: [PD] pd to webpage

2007-10-18 Thread Mathieu Bouchard
On Thu, 18 Oct 2007, Thomas O Fredericks wrote: The main difference is that moocow's conversion of a message into a string appends a 0 at the end of the created list. Most likely it shouldn't, unless it uses the 0 as separator or terminator in what could be any number of strings in the same

Re: [PD] pd to webpage

2007-10-18 Thread Thomas O Fredericks
Attached, two abstractions that can help. Feel free to modify. Tom On 10/18/07, Martin Peach [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thomas O Fredericks wrote: The help is in moocow/pdstring-help.pd It's not there in the autobuilt Pd version 0.40.3-extended-20070905 even though any2string is there in

Re: [PD] [OT] Re: about sexism is TERMINATE THREAD PLEASE

2007-10-18 Thread vade
In my defense (for my instigative comments earlier in the thread), im not macho/sexist in any way, I am simply lewd, loud and obnoxious and enjoy cynical humor, because the joke is not the joke, its the fact that some genuinely may laugh at it. Some may even call me an asshole, but hey, at

Re: [PD] Getting system time from an object

2007-10-18 Thread Martin Peach
Batuhan Bozkurt wrote: Hi, Is there any object or way to extract system time from within PD? Resolution of a second would suffice. A friend using PD for an experiment needs to dump system times to results automatically. It would be fairly easy to make an external for it but I think there should

Re: [PD] [-SPAM-] Re: many paths, how

2007-10-18 Thread Jamie Bullock
On Thu, 2007-10-18 at 16:47 +0200, Frank Barknecht wrote: Hallo, Hans-Christoph Steiner hat gesagt: // Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: I think it would be very good to have cleaned up preferences windows for Pd in general. I hate to say this: But a lot of these problems are already

Re: [PD] webring maintenance

2007-10-18 Thread Chris McCormick
On Thu, Oct 18, 2007 at 08:05:31PM +0200, Roman Haefeli wrote: http://mccormick.cx/ (mainpage seems to be not pd-related, had troubles finding the webring section in a subpage. funnily i once got directed directly to the s-abstraction subpage by the webring. it seems, there are two entries in

Re: [PD] Pd-extended final release candidate - please test!

2007-10-18 Thread Jack
No problem on PowerPc G4, macosx 10.4.8 Jack Le 19 oct. 07 à 02:30, marius schebella a écrit : I cannot run the installer, it gives me an error codec overrun. this is intel mac os x. marius. Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: Please test this build lots! If no one finds anything that needs

Re: [PD] [Events] Y2k7 loopfest Santa Cruz, CA

2007-10-18 Thread Jack
There is an open bar with the 10 $ ? Jack Le 19 oct. 07 à 00:31, Beau Casey a écrit : http://www.y2kloopfest.com/ *** Y2K7 Best of Show Thursday, October 18th, 7pm The Drum Machine Museum (map) 1533 5th Street (Oakland, CA) HENRY KAISER / CHRIS MUIR (USA) LEANDER REININGHAUS

Re: [PD] [OT] Re: about sexism is TERMINATE THREAD PLEASE

2007-10-18 Thread Patrice Colet
Patrice Colet a écrit : -once a pd friend said that his professor said that women can't do sound because is too abstract for them, they need the materiality of visuals so Zeena Parkins, Laurie Anderson, ... never did anything.. Yeah! Superman is a great (and certainly one of the best)

Re: [PD] [OT] Re: about sexism is TERMINATE THREAD PLEASE

2007-10-18 Thread Patrice Colet
hey! Yves Degoyon a écrit : ola, in fact, i do more of the visuals now but we don't use video anymore, text is more interesting. I'd like to ask you something*. What are you working on? Is (and how it is) it related with sound? -once a pd friend said that his professor said that

Re: [PD] [OT] Re: about sexism is TERMINATE THREAD PLEASE

2007-10-18 Thread Charles Henry
On 10/18/07, Chuckk Hubbard [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 10/18/07, Yves Degoyon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ola, this is an excellent summing up of all that is wrong here... i didn't except to find soo much c.r.a.p. under the carpet .. you can call me a troll, but i don't think i'm so

[PD] [Events] Y2k7 loopfest Santa Cruz, CA

2007-10-18 Thread Beau Casey
http://www.y2kloopfest.com/ *** Y2K7 Best of Show Thursday, October 18th, 7pm The Drum Machine Museum (map) 1533 5th Street (Oakland, CA) HENRY KAISER / CHRIS MUIR (USA) LEANDER REININGHAUS (GERMANY) ERDEM HELVACIOGLU (TURKEY) RANDOLF ARRIOLA (SINGAPORE) PER BOYSEN (SWEDEN) FABIO ANILE (ITALY)

Re: [PD] Will Netotchka Nezvanova please sit down...

2007-10-18 Thread Mike McGonagle
http://www.ima.or.at/?page_id=295language=en Wow, if this woman is really NN... On 10/17/07, Michal Seta [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 10/17/07, chris clepper [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: For example, I am one of two non-c74 employees banned from using Nato for life (the other is Sean Booth of

Re: [PD] [OT] Re: about sexism is TERMINATE THREAD PLEASE

2007-10-18 Thread Chuckk Hubbard
On 10/19/07, Charles Henry [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 10/18/07, Chuckk Hubbard [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 10/18/07, Yves Degoyon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ola, this is an excellent summing up of all that is wrong here... i didn't except to find soo much c.r.a.p. under the