Re: [PD] [Pd] Writing subpatch contents, was Re: [Csnd] Writing subpatch contents

2007-11-21 Thread hard off
as far as i can tell, ssaad just saves the state of sliders, arrays etc that are already a part of the patch...but what chuck needs is a way to save different combos of these gui objects. can ssaad do that? ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE

[PD] OT : Ubuntu Studio and 64Studio

2007-11-21 Thread altern
hi could anyone give some feedback on differences, advantages, disadvantages about using Ubuntu Studio vs 64Studio? I have been using Ubuntu Studio for a few months but I am not so happy with it since I upgraded to Gutsy. i want to use it for PD, Supercollider, Python programming, and will be

Re: [PD] error: pdp_route: no method for 'symbol'

2007-11-21 Thread IOhannes m zmoelnig
Javier Garcia wrote: I think i could use [gate], but... just to make sure: there is no [gate] object in Pd. probably someone has written an external for it, but why don't you use (or not) [spigot] instead, which has just the same functionality? fmgasdr. IOhannes

Re: [PD] [Pd] Writing subpatch contents, was Re: [Csnd] Writing subpatch contents

2007-11-21 Thread Frank Barknecht
Hallo, hard off hat gesagt: // hard off wrote: as far as i can tell, ssaad just saves the state of sliders, arrays etc that are already a part of the patch... but what chuck needs is a way to save different combos of these gui objects. sssad is in no way tied to sliders or something, it *is*

Re: [PD] OT : Ubuntu Studio and 64Studio

2007-11-21 Thread Frank Barknecht
Hallo, altern hat gesagt: // altern wrote: could anyone give some feedback on differences, advantages, disadvantages about using Ubuntu Studio vs 64Studio? I have been using Ubuntu Studio for a few months but I am not so happy with it since I upgraded to Gutsy. i want to use it for PD,

Re: [PD] [Pd] Writing subpatch contents, was Re: [Csnd] Writing subpatch contents

2007-11-21 Thread hard off
yeah, but what chuck wants to know is WHICH objects are in his subpatch. so...if he puts a slider, 2 number boxes and 3 arrays in a subpatch, he needs something that will tell him that the subpatch contains a slider, 2 number boxes and 3 arrays. and then in another subpatch there might be 6

Re: [PD] OT : Ubuntu Studio and 64Studio

2007-11-21 Thread IOhannes m zmoelnig
Frank Barknecht wrote: Hallo, a diffferent window manager or build your own kernel? btw, ubuntu studio comes with a generic kernel, whereas 64studio has a realtime-optimized kernel. so if you are afraid of building your own kernel, 64studio might be a good option here. fgmasdr. IOhannes

Re: [PD] OT : Ubuntu Studio and 64Studio

2007-11-21 Thread Tim Blechmann
On Wed, 2007-11-21 at 10:39 +0100, IOhannes m zmoelnig wrote: Frank Barknecht wrote: Hallo, a diffferent window manager or build your own kernel? btw, ubuntu studio comes with a generic kernel, whereas 64studio has a realtime-optimized kernel. so if you are afraid of building your

Re: [PD] pdpedia in spanish (castellano)

2007-11-21 Thread raul diaz
Cool! It's nice to look at a good spanish documentation for pd. I would like to participate in this documentation, do I need any permision for fill an object class definition in the wiki? Would be good to have a list where look at fillled objects, in order to complete the not filled ones.

Re: [PD] fft beginner question

2007-11-21 Thread hard off
ah cheers frank, thanks for clearing a lot of that up. you do really good explainations. The main reason we use complex numbers in electronic music is because they magically automate trigonometric calculations. We frequently have to add angles together in order to talk about the changing

Re: [PD] fft beginner question

2007-11-21 Thread Thomas Mayer
hard off wrote: ah cheers frank, thanks for clearing a lot of that up. you do really good explainations. The main reason we use complex numbers in electronic music is because they magically automate trigonometric calculations. We frequently have to add angles together in order to talk

Re: [PD] fft beginner question

2007-11-21 Thread Georg Holzmann
Hallo! The main reason we use complex numbers in electronic music is because they magically automate trigonometric calculations. We frequently have to add angles together in order to talk about the changing phase of an audio signal as time progresses (or as it is shifted in time, as in

Re: [PD] OT : Ubuntu Studio and 64Studio

2007-11-21 Thread altern
Frank Barknecht(e)k dio: Hallo, altern hat gesagt: // altern wrote: could anyone give some feedback on differences, advantages, disadvantages about using Ubuntu Studio vs 64Studio? I have been using Ubuntu Studio for a few months but I am not so happy with it since I upgraded to Gutsy.

Re: [PD] error: pdp_route: no method for 'symbol'

2007-11-21 Thread Frank Barknecht
Hallo, Jack hat gesagt: // Jack wrote: Le 21 nov. 07 à 09:35, IOhannes m zmoelnig a écrit : Javier Garcia wrote: I think i could use [gate], but... just to make sure: there is no [gate] object in Pd. probably someone has written an external for it, but why don't you use (or

Re: [PD] [Pd] Writing subpatch contents, was Re: [Csnd] Writing subpatch contents

2007-11-21 Thread Frank Barknecht
Hallo, hard off hat gesagt: // hard off wrote: yeah, but what chuck wants to know is WHICH objects are in his subpatch. so...if he puts a slider, 2 number boxes and 3 arrays in a subpatch, he needs something that will tell him that the subpatch contains a slider, 2 number boxes and 3 arrays.

[PD] [PD-announce] week-end events

2007-11-21 Thread ydegoyon
hala, soon another weekend, so you _have_ to entertain! either in Mataro, Spain ( 30 minutes from bcn ) : http://delcorp.org/distorsionfest/wp-content/uploads/2007/11/distorsioncartellprograma_web.png or London : Meeting of the 5,000 : http://www.mortarhate.com/products.php?cat=122 or Open Lab

Re: [PD] fft beginner question

2007-11-21 Thread cristiano figueirÿfffff3
Hi, thanks for help everyone. Now it's much more clear. I downloaded the Beginner's Guide to the FFT-objects in Pd from Frank (http://footils.org/pkg/fft-tut.tgz). And have some more questions: - working on patch fft-up-close.pd: I have a blocksize=8 and a samplerate=44100 and all analysis have

Re: [PD] fft beginner question

2007-11-21 Thread Mathieu Bouchard
On Wed, 21 Nov 2007, hard off wrote: and so on...always until you reach half the sample rate. ..i think you also get info on 0hz, and i guess that is also somehow important when it comes to resynthesis, but i'm not too sure if or how or why. it may seem like 0hz is useless, as it is

Re: [PD] error: pdp_route: no method for 'symbol'

2007-11-21 Thread Javier Garcia
Thanks, solved! :) Jack wrote: our error come from the link between [playlist] (output a symbol) and [K-motion_blur] in vj_appli2.pd. It is true...first [playlist ], then [pdp_qt] or any other player, not in he opposite way... GARFF CC: pd-list@iem.at From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject:

Re: [PD] fft beginner question

2007-11-21 Thread hard off
cos^2+sin^2=1 ah! so, actually the FFT doesn't HAVE to use imaginary numbersbut they are just used because the complex-number system is two-dimensional and that signals to be analysed are presumed to be two-dimensional. They are decomposable into a sum of circular trajectories every day a

Re: [PD] fft beginner question

2007-11-21 Thread Mathieu Bouchard
On Tue, 20 Nov 2007, Frank Barknecht wrote: I still don't exactly understand why one couldn't just use (x, y) vectors; You *are* just using (x,y) rsp. (angle, radius) vectors. You can completely ignore the meaning of i as sqrt(-1) and just view i as the funny name of the second axis in a

[PD] [Paradiddle] PD embedded

2007-11-21 Thread beau
I know that Paradiddle can be used to connect an interface to pure data on the mac. Is it possible to embed the pure data in application so there is one single exicutable to distribute without the need to install pd? Basically I want to share some pd patches with other non-pd electronic music/VJ

Re: [PD] fft beginner question

2007-11-21 Thread Frank Barknecht
Hallo, hard off hat gesagt: // hard off wrote: cos^2+sin^2=1 ah! so, actually the FFT doesn't HAVE to use imaginary numbersbut they are just used because the complex-number system is two-dimensional and that signals to be analysed are presumed to be two-dimensional. They are

Re: [PD] fft beginner question

2007-11-21 Thread Martin Peach
Frank Barknecht wrote: hard off hat gesagt: // hard off wrote: so, actually the FFT doesn't HAVE to use imaginary numbersbut they are just used because the complex-number system is two-dimensional and that signals to be analysed are presumed to be two-dimensional. They are

Re: [PD] fft beginner question

2007-11-21 Thread Kyle Klipowicz
Even more interesting to me is when my physicist friend told me that the Uncertainty Principle is deeply rooted in the trade off between time window size and frequency resolution of the FFT. Kinda demystifies a whole decade of my life... ~Kyle On Nov 21, 2007 12:21 PM, Frank Barknecht [EMAIL

[PD] performance on osX

2007-11-21 Thread cyrille henry
hello, i just made a performance test on osX, using pmpd exemple 22 (i had similar problem with other patch, this is just an exemple) with pd extended, or pd/Gem and pmpd compiled from cvs, this patch use about 40% CPU on a macbook pro 2.33Ghz. on my computer (dual core 2Ghz), it use about

Re: [PD] performance on osX

2007-11-21 Thread lluisgomez
S'està citant cyrille henry [EMAIL PROTECTED]: could anyone with a macbook pro could test this patch and tell me the CPU used? you are only interested in macOX performance test or also in linux on the macbook? anyway, here using ubuntu-gutsy(x86) and pd-extended the pmpd example22

Re: [PD] [Paradiddle] PD embedded

2007-11-21 Thread Hans-Christoph Steiner
I've started to add the ability to embed your patch into a copy of Pd- extended. Then you could change the name, icon, etc. to whatever. Perhaps you can use Paradiddle with that. It's experimental, so if you want to try it and tell me how it goes. Basically, just add your own preferences

Re: [PD] performance on osX

2007-11-21 Thread cyrille henry
[EMAIL PROTECTED] a écrit : S'està citant cyrille henry [EMAIL PROTECTED]: could anyone with a macbook pro could test this patch and tell me the CPU used? you are only interested in macOX performance test or also in linux on the macbook? anyway, here using ubuntu-gutsy(x86) and

Re: [PD] performance on osX

2007-11-21 Thread Thomas Grill
cyrille henry schrieb: could anyone with a macbook pro could test this patch and tell me the CPU used? does anyone know why the macbook is so slow? Hi, you could use Shark (Apple's profiler) to have a look what exactly uses up the cpu. greetings, Thomas

[PD] [pdp_rec~] and record my vj sessions using [pdp_qt]

2007-11-21 Thread Javier Garcia
Hi, I would like to record a video that goes from [pdp_qt] to [pdp_xv] or [pdp_glx] passing throw other pdp objects (or what is the same: my sessions). I thougt in [pdp_rec~], but i have seen it only can be connected to [pdp_qt] or [pdp_qt~] but not to [pdp_xv] or [pdp_glx]. Can someone help

Re: [PD] performance on osX

2007-11-21 Thread Derek Holzer
Hi Cyrille, cyrille henry wrote: now, i'd like to understand why the same computer on osX is about 2 time slower. I've been asking myself that for years!!! I have 1.67 GHz PPC G4, and I never use OSX for live work, only Linux. It's true, the exact same patches on OSX are twice as slow on

Re: [PD] fft beginner question

2007-11-21 Thread Mathieu Bouchard
On Thu, 22 Nov 2007, hard off wrote: cos^2+sin^2=1 ah! so, actually the FFT doesn't HAVE to use imaginary numbersbut they are just used because the complex-number system is two-dimensional and that signals to be analysed are presumed to be two-dimensional. They are decomposable into a sum

Re: [PD] fft beginner question

2007-11-21 Thread Mathieu Bouchard
On Wed, 21 Nov 2007, Frank Barknecht wrote: Actually what comes into the rfft object are two values as well: One is the usual signal amplitude visible as a patch cord, and the other is: time! I don't think that you can think of the time dimension as a value of what comes into the object:

Re: [PD] fft beginner question

2007-11-21 Thread Mathieu Bouchard
On Tue, 20 Nov 2007, cristiano figueirÿf3 wrote: -39.604 00000 It's -39.604 because you changed the frequency of [osc~] while it was running, so it froze in whichever position it was. If you want to get a true 0 Hz at the amplitude you want, you have to

Re: [PD] [pdp_rec~] and record my vj sessions using [pdp_qt]

2007-11-21 Thread Jack
Have a look at the help file about [pdp_rec~] and [pdp_glx]. [pdp_glx] output mouse event messages when you are on the rendering window. So this message is not 'useful' for [pdp_rec~] You can do something like that (for exemple) : [pdp_qt] | [pdp_contrast] |\ | \ |\ | \ |

Re: [PD] fft beginner question

2007-11-21 Thread Mathieu Bouchard
On Wed, 21 Nov 2007, Thomas Mayer wrote: Not really, as multiplication is one mathematical operation. 'Fast' in FFT means reducing the number of mathematical operation from O(N²) to O(N log N), where N is the number of analyzed frequencies, e.g. for 64 frequencies from (a constant factor times)

[PD] question about antialiased canvas on pd-extended osx release

2007-11-21 Thread Ivica Ico Bukvic
Greetings all, This is perhaps a bit OT, but I was wondering if the same appearance is reproducible on Linux as far as the antialiasing of the object boxes, connector rectangles, cords, and cord colors are concerned? The pd-extended osx looks IMHO a lot cleaner (I've been running antialiased

[PD] t b b f etc...

2007-11-21 Thread Josh Lawrence
hello all, spending some time tonight downloading patches and messing with them in an attempt to learn something. I'm seeing a few instances of something that looks like this: t b b f or something to that effect. can someone shed some light on what this does? -- Josh Lawrence

Re: [PD] tabread4~~

2007-11-21 Thread simon wise
On 21 Nov 2007, at 3:47 AM, Kyle Klipowicz wrote: You can get lost in the mathematics and never be able to communicate with an audience of anyone but geeks (self included). Music is communication, so as musicians we have a responsibility to communicate in a language that is understood by our

Re: [PD] t b b f etc...

2007-11-21 Thread Derek Holzer
Hi Josh, The t is an abbreviation for trigger. You might want to check out the help file for [trigger]. Basically, computers are dumb animals, and need to be told exactly what to do and in what order, or else they get confused and don't do things the way you expect. [trigger] is a message

Re: [PD] OT : Ubuntu Studio and 64Studio

2007-11-21 Thread Roman Haefeli
On Wed, 2007-11-21 at 14:08 +0100, Frank Barknecht wrote: Hallo, IOhannes m zmoelnig hat gesagt: // IOhannes m zmoelnig wrote: btw, ubuntu studio comes with a generic kernel, whereas 64studio has a realtime-optimized kernel. Not anymore: Ubuntustudio 7.10 has a fully rt-patched kernel, I

Re: [PD] performance on osX

2007-11-21 Thread vade
MBP 2.33, 3GB ram, OS X 10.5.1, also @ 40% Just for another data point. :'( ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list

Re: [PD] performance on osX

2007-11-21 Thread chris clepper
I suspect it is Apple's subpar OpenGL causing this. Rather than use a ton of sphere objects use [model] and an obj of a sphere. Performance should increase. On Nov 21, 2007 1:38 PM, cyrille henry [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: hello, i just made a performance test on osX, using pmpd exemple 22 (i

Re: [PD] performance on osX

2007-11-21 Thread bsoisoi
Its PortAudio running through CoreAudio. If you use Jack on OS X, you'll see your % usage decrease significantly. I can easily cut my CPU usage in half by using Jack on OS X. I've also seen notable decreases when using cycling74's soundflower. On a similar note, if you happen to be using

Re: [PD] [Pd] Writing subpatch contents, was Re: [Csnd] Writing subpatch contents

2007-11-21 Thread Roman Haefeli
On Wed, 2007-11-21 at 18:36 +0900, hard off wrote: yeah, but what chuck wants to know is WHICH objects are in his subpatch. so...if he puts a slider, 2 number boxes and 3 arrays in a subpatch, he needs something that will tell him that the subpatch contains a slider, 2 number boxes and 3

Re: [PD] pdpedia in spanish (castellano)

2007-11-21 Thread Jaime Oliver
I don't really know about editing content... have you already tried to do it? maybe you need to get admin rights, start by creating an account... maybe hans can shed some light on this? About the list of already edited objects maybe we could keep one, I don't know if there is a way of automating

Re: [PD] t b b f etc...

2007-11-21 Thread David Merrill
Basically, computers are dumb animals, and need to be told exactly what to do and in what order, or else they get confused and don't do things the way you expect. well, to be a little more precise: when an outlet is connected to multiple inlets, the order in which messages from the outlet

Re: [PD] t b b f etc...

2007-11-21 Thread hard off
t b b f or something to that effect. can someone shed some light on what this does? it's one of the most important things you need to learn about pd. ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -

Re: [PD] t b b f etc...

2007-11-21 Thread vade
This is correct. Trigger helps determine patch event sequences. With max you can 'rely' on screen position, but in PD you want to be explicit with the ordering you want. Trigger accomplishes this. On Nov 22, 2007, at 1:43 AM, David Merrill wrote: (I think it's determined by the order in