[PD] gpl vs creative commons

2008-01-28 Thread Damian Stewart
hey, i've written some pd patches for an artist-in-residence working the Netherlands Media Art Institute Amsterdam (NIMK). NIMK are running something of an open-source-everything policy at the moment, so they want the patches released somehow. there's two parts to the project, a text-parser

Re: [PD] gpl vs creative commons

2008-01-28 Thread Claude Heiland-Allen
Damian Stewart wrote: then there's the question of whether any and all Pd patches are 'derived works' (derived from Pd) or '[a combination of] two modules into one program' and therefore need to be GPL. No. The GPL only applies when distributing compiled binaries, as far as I'm aware. .pd

[PD] multiple instances of pd on os-x

2008-01-28 Thread IOhannes m zmoelnig
hi. is there a way to open 2 instances of Pd (0.41) on os-x? it seems like clicking on the app a second time, will only switch to the already running instance. (i have no osx here to test right now) nmf.asdf IOhannes ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list

Re: [PD] gpl vs creative commons

2008-01-28 Thread Frank Barknecht
Hallo, Damian Stewart hat gesagt: // Damian Stewart wrote: then there's the question of whether any and all Pd patches are 'derived works' (derived from Pd) or '[a combination of] two modules into one program' and therefore need to be GPL. Pd isn't GPL, so even if patches were derived from

Re: [PD] multiple instances of pd on os-x

2008-01-28 Thread Steffen Juul
On 28/01/2008, at 10.45, IOhannes m zmoelnig wrote: is there a way to open 2 instances of Pd (0.41) on os-x? Yes, if you run the executable from a CLI, fx. Terminal(.app). ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -

Re: [PD] multiple instances of pd on os-x

2008-01-28 Thread IOhannes m zmoelnig
Steffen Juul wrote: On 28/01/2008, at 10.45, IOhannes m zmoelnig wrote: is there a way to open 2 instances of Pd (0.41) on os-x? Yes, if you run the executable from a CLI, fx. Terminal(.app). so i have to directly run the executable and _not_ the application. e.g. % open

Re: [PD] multiple instances of pd on os-x

2008-01-28 Thread Markus Noisternig
Hi IOhannes, For me running the following script from the shell works perfectly running PD with several instances. Hope this helps? Salut, Markus #!/bin/sh current_dir=${0%/*} cd $current_dir echo $current_dir PD_INST=/Applications/Pd.app/Contents/Resources PD_PATCH= PD_AUDIO=-r

Re: [PD] multiple instances of pd on os-x

2008-01-28 Thread Steffen Juul
On 28/01/2008, at 11.40, IOhannes m zmoelnig wrote: Steffen Juul wrote: On 28/01/2008, at 10.45, IOhannes m zmoelnig wrote: is there a way to open 2 instances of Pd (0.41) on os-x? Yes, if you run the executable from a CLI, fx. Terminal(.app). so i have to directly run the executable and

Re: [PD] paranoid pd

2008-01-28 Thread Steffen Juul
On 26/01/2008, at 12.22, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: why not use Ctrl-Shift-w to close, and Ctrl-Shift-q? Bliss. I had no idea of that feature. FAQ material IMHO. ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -

Re: [PD] multiple instances of pd on os-x

2008-01-28 Thread IOhannes m zmoelnig
Steffen Juul wrote: Well... it's kind of weird. And I'm no Mac expert. But to try to answer the question... Yes. Running % open /Applications/Pd-0.41-0.app twice wont start two instances of Pd. i guess i meant that (the one who has the problem just told me that he used open to run the

Re: [PD] multiple instances of pd on os-x

2008-01-28 Thread IOhannes m zmoelnig
Steffen Juul wrote: In $HOME. As soon as you open Terminal you should feel somewhat at home. I think Terminal use BASH as the default shell. ah stupid me! i was so macified, i did not see the obvious... fgmadr. IOhannes ___ PD-list@iem.at

Re: [PD] multiple instances of pd on os-x

2008-01-28 Thread Steffen Juul
On 28/01/2008, at 13.07, IOhannes m zmoelnig wrote: Steffen Juul wrote: Well... it's kind of weird. And I'm no Mac expert. But to try to answer the question... Yes. Running % open /Applications/Pd-0.41-0.app twice wont start two instances of Pd. i guess i meant that (the one who has

[PD] one more boring computation-time cuestion of mine...

2008-01-28 Thread matteo sisti sette
Hi, Suppose I create a [sample] abstraction that basically contains a [table] to store a sound sample, and a [soundfiler] to read it from a file. One of the reasons for creating such a trivial abstraction is that it has a GOP GUI with -a symbolbox where you can write and see the filename -a test

[PD] extending my midi controllers!

2008-01-28 Thread Frans Haarman
Hi List, I've been looking for a way to add functions to my midi controller surfaces! PureData seems like the tool to help me add some cool stuff to the midi signals I am sending. My biggest whish/need is for 2 kinds of modules, one to do log scaling and one todo control smoothing of midi

Re: [PD] Jack OSX 0.75 Intel

2008-01-28 Thread Dafydd Hughes
Jack OSX 0.74 works like a dream. I spoke to the Jack developers and they think it's a PD bug. I'm not smart enough to determine whether or not that's the case. cheers dafydd On Jan 28, 2008 12:19 PM, Hans-Christoph Steiner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It doesn't work for me. Did the old version

Re: [PD] Jack OSX 0.75 Intel

2008-01-28 Thread Hans-Christoph Steiner
It doesn't work for me. Did the old version work for you? I tried Pd-extended 0.39.3, 0.40.3, and Pd-vanilla 0.41.0. .hc On Jan 26, 2008, at 9:41 AM, Dafydd Hughes wrote: Hi folks Has anybody got Pd running on an Intel mac using the new version of Jack OSX (0.75)? cheers dafydd --

Re: [PD] extending my midi controllers!

2008-01-28 Thread Roman Haefeli
On Mon, 2008-01-28 at 16:30 +0100, Frans Haarman wrote: Hi List, I've been looking for a way to add functions to my midi controller surfaces! PureData seems like the tool to help me add some cool stuff to the midi signals I am sending. data retrieving: check the helpfile of the object

Re: [PD] vline~ question

2008-01-28 Thread Steffen Juul
On 27/01/2008, at 2.58, IOhannes m zmoelnig wrote: Kyle Klipowicz wrote: I think the question is, why have that book keeping available for vline~? Are there any practical uses for it? Otherwise, I don't see why it wouldn't be better to just accept a list like [0, 1 1000, 0.5 1000, 0

Re: [PD] vline~ question

2008-01-28 Thread Roman Haefeli
On Mon, 2008-01-28 at 14:01 -0600, Kyle Klipowicz wrote: I wonder how hard it would be to code a detector that counts to see if there are three element bundles in the message vs. two, it would be very easy by using [list length], but it's not necessary (see next paragraph). and can process

Re: [PD] gpl vs creative commons

2008-01-28 Thread marius schebella
Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: On Jan 28, 2008, at 3:45 AM, Frank Barknecht wrote: Hallo, Damian Stewart hat gesagt: // Damian Stewart wrote: then there's the question of whether any and all Pd patches are 'derived works' (derived from Pd) or '[a combination of] two modules into one

Re: [PD] gpl vs creative commons

2008-01-28 Thread Hans-Christoph Steiner
On Jan 28, 2008, at 3:45 AM, Frank Barknecht wrote: Hallo, Damian Stewart hat gesagt: // Damian Stewart wrote: then there's the question of whether any and all Pd patches are 'derived works' (derived from Pd) or '[a combination of] two modules into one program' and therefore need to be

Re: [PD] multiple instances of pd on os-x

2008-01-28 Thread Hans-Christoph Steiner
On my machine, I can run two of these on the CLI and get two GUIs: /Applications/Pd-extended.app/Contents/MacOS/Pd-extended Another way is to make another copy of Pd with a different name, then you can run them at the same time using all of the normal means (i.e. Pd-1.app and Pd-2.app) .hc

Re: [PD] vline~ question

2008-01-28 Thread Frank Barknecht
Hallo, Steffen Juul hat gesagt: // Steffen Juul wrote: Kyle wants to, correct me if i'm wrong, translate [0, 1 1000, 0.5 1000 1000, 0 2000 2000( | [vline~] into [0, 1 1000, 0.5 1000, 0 2000( | [nothirdVline~] That is have the object do the delay bookkeeping. Which however would

Re: [PD] vline~ question

2008-01-28 Thread Roman Haefeli
On Mon, 2008-01-28 at 22:17 +0100, Steffen Juul wrote: On 27/01/2008, at 2.58, IOhannes m zmoelnig wrote: Kyle Klipowicz wrote: I think the question is, why have that book keeping available for vline~? Are there any practical uses for it? Otherwise, I don't see why it wouldn't be

Re: [PD] vline~ question

2008-01-28 Thread Kyle Klipowicz
Well, I still think it's confusing, especially for newbies (as well as myself!) but I can understand that it's sort of entrenched. I wonder how hard it would be to code a detector that counts to see if there are three element bundles in the message vs. two, and can process each accordingly, so

Re: [PD] gpl vs creative commons

2008-01-28 Thread Hans-Christoph Steiner
On Jan 28, 2008, at 1:23 PM, marius schebella wrote: Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: On Jan 28, 2008, at 3:45 AM, Frank Barknecht wrote: Hallo, Damian Stewart hat gesagt: // Damian Stewart wrote: then there's the question of whether any and all Pd patches are 'derived works' (derived

Re: [PD] Jack OSX 0.75 Intel

2008-01-28 Thread bsoisoi
Are you trying to run Jack on 10.4 or 10.5? On Jan 28, 2008, at 6:07 PM, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: Have you tried downgrading back to Jack .74 to see if it works again? Pd's Jack support on Mac OS X doesn't really have a maintainer, so there might be some issues with it. .hc On Jan

Re: [PD] High cpu usage

2008-01-28 Thread Hans-Christoph Steiner
Hey, There is no patch attached... Do you have a Pentium 4 computer? Which version of Pd. Perhaps its a denormal bug... .hc On Jan 26, 2008, at 11:37 AM, Javier Garcia wrote: Hi, the patch attached gets high exponentially the cpu usage when i decrease a number box to low values.

Re: [PD] gpl vs creative commons

2008-01-28 Thread Roman Haefeli
On Mon, 2008-01-28 at 18:06 -0500, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: On Jan 28, 2008, at 1:23 PM, marius schebella wrote: Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: On Jan 28, 2008, at 3:45 AM, Frank Barknecht wrote: Hallo, Damian Stewart hat gesagt: // Damian Stewart wrote: then there's the

[PD] plugin~ problems (ladspa-linux) - strange behavior

2008-01-28 Thread glerm soares
hello, I just compiled the plugin~ version of cvs today, and the compilation seemed to be ok. ewhen I first tried to initialize the object it asked me to export a new path to ladspa folder. ok. I did it with export LADSPA_PATH=/usr/lib/ladspa but now when I initialize de object de box became

Re: [PD] Jack OSX 0.75 Intel

2008-01-28 Thread Dafydd Hughes
Hey folks Downgrading works no problem - 0.74 is perfect. I'm on 10.4. Thanks for looking into this. If there's anything I can do, let me know - I'm into learning. I just need some pointers. cheers dafydd On Jan 28, 2008 6:19 PM, bsoisoi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Are you trying to run Jack on

Re: [PD] plugin~ problems (ladspa-linux) - strange behavior

2008-01-28 Thread glerm soares
2008/1/28, glerm soares [EMAIL PROTECTED]: hello, I just compiled the plugin~ version of cvs today, and the compilation seemed to be ok. my kernel: Linux ubuntu 2.6.22-14-rt #1 SMP PREEMPT RT Tue Dec 18 10:01:34 UTC 2007 i686 GNU/Linux (based on gutsy repositories)

Re: [PD] vline~ question

2008-01-28 Thread zmoelnig
Quoting Steffen Juul [EMAIL PROTECTED]: i cannot follow you here at all. Kyle wants to, correct me if i'm wrong, translate seems like i talked babylonian here. i understood what kyle requested it, but i did not understand why he wanted it. (that is: he wanted it for simplicity, but i think