Re: [PD] Cyclone in vanilla?

2008-04-25 Thread Frank Barknecht
Hallo, marius schebella hat gesagt: // marius schebella wrote: honestly, I think not many people used it... I ran grep -R pow~ * in my pd-directories and found only two patches (of 1+) besides the helppatch for pow~, that use it. nusmuk for distortion.pd, tb for sigmoid_booster~.pd

Re: [PD] Trax - Sinusoidal Model Synthesis in Pure Data

2008-04-25 Thread Frank Barknecht
Hallo, Rich E hat gesagt: // Rich E wrote: www.teafordragons.com/rte/trax.html This is a patch I've been working on for quite some time now, finally packaged with some documentation and an example qlist with it. Trax is a fancy additive synthesizer that stores partials in data structures

Re: [PD] contextual pdpedia menu link

2008-04-25 Thread Luke Iannini (pd)
I mentioned them a week or two ago in another thread; documents in OS X usually have a little icon in the titlebar that represents the file being edited; you can drag it to get a reference to the file (for copying or opening in another application; for Pd files that's awesome for dragging to your

Re: [PD] Cyclone in vanilla?

2008-04-25 Thread IOhannes m zmölnig
Enrique Erne wrote: or [biquad~ 0 0 0 1] Miller Puckette wrote: I believe z~ is just rzero~ 0. no. both of them are equivalent to [z~ 1] you could also argue that [f] is just the same as [0( :-) fgmasdr IOhannes ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing

Re: [PD] Cyclone in vanilla?

2008-04-25 Thread Jamie Bullock
On Tue, 2008-04-22 at 17:23 +0200, Thomas Grill wrote: Me for one, i have really missed pow~ or abs~ but i have been missing many other things. I don't see the necessity for the objects you mentioned when they can be built as abstractions using expr~ within seconds. But isn't expr~ an

Re: [PD] Trax - Sinusoidal Model Synthesis in Pure Data

2008-04-25 Thread Jamie Bullock
On Thu, 2008-04-24 at 20:34 -0700, Rich E wrote: www.teafordragons.com/rte/trax.html This is a patch I've been working on for quite some time now, finally packaged with some documentation and an example qlist with it. Trax is a fancy additive synthesizer that stores partials in data

Re: [PD] Trax - Sinusoidal Model Synthesis in Pure Data

2008-04-25 Thread hard off
be good to see your externals added to pd extended. ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list

[PD] tutorial on struct/template usage?

2008-04-25 Thread Nicola Bernardini
Dear all, is it me, or the part on struct/template objects is rather obscure as far as documentation goes? I really would like to do something with these objects, and now I have the occasion to do it, but I am not able to guess how to do it for the life of me. Is there a

[PD] I'm stuck in a corner, please help! RE: [delta~] object was: Re: Cyclone in vanilla?

2008-04-25 Thread Enrique Erne
IOhannes m zmölnig wrote: Enrique Erne wrote: or [biquad~ 0 0 0 1] Miller Puckette wrote: I believe z~ is just rzero~ 0. no. both of them are equivalent to [z~ 1] you could also argue that [f] is just the same as [0( :-) oups, yes ofcorse z~ 1. the output of 1 sample with rzero~ 0, z~

Re: [PD] I'm stuck in a corner, please help! RE: [delta~] object was: Re: Cyclone in vanilla?

2008-04-25 Thread IOhannes m zmölnig
Enrique Erne wrote: IOhannes m zmölnig wrote: Enrique Erne wrote: or [biquad~ 0 0 0 1] Miller Puckette wrote: I believe z~ is just rzero~ 0. no. both of them are equivalent to [z~ 1] you could also argue that [f] is just the same as [0( :-) oups, yes ofcorse z~ 1. the output of

Re: [PD] polymatrix...patchbay for audio and anything

2008-04-25 Thread IOhannes m zmölnig
hard off wrote: isn't there some sort of [matrix~] external that can do that sort of thing? i'm sure i saw it before, but can't find it in my current pd-extended i guess you are referring to [mtx_*~] in iemmatrix (former known as [matrix~] (and even former being part of zexy. as i understand

Re: [PD] Trax - Sinusoidal Model Synthesis in Pure Data

2008-04-25 Thread Roman Haefeli
You can also listen to a couple pieces I wrote using Trax, which also use other fun Pd stuff and recorded in Ardour: www.teafordragons.com/rte/music.html holy ghost! this sounds great!! roman ___ Telefonate ohne

Re: [PD] polymatrix...patchbay for audio and anything

2008-04-25 Thread hard off
ahh, name changegets me every time. who thought of mtx_*~ though??? a bit over the top isn't it? and still no help file. obviously audio matrices are so simple that everyone can understand them ;P ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and

Re: [PD] polymatrix...patchbay for audio and anything

2008-04-25 Thread IOhannes m zmölnig
hard off wrote: ahh, name changegets me every time. well, iemmatrix still provides [matrix~] for backward compatibility. and still no help file. obviously audio matrices are so simple that everyone can understand them ;P probably you have just deleted this file yourself, since audio

Re: [PD] I'm stuck in a corner, please help! RE: [delta~] object was: Re: Cyclone in vanilla?

2008-04-25 Thread Enrique Erne
IOhannes m zmölnig wrote: Enrique Erne wrote: IOhannes m zmölnig wrote: Enrique Erne wrote: or [biquad~ 0 0 0 1] Miller Puckette wrote: I believe z~ is just rzero~ 0. no. both of them are equivalent to [z~ 1] you could also argue that [f] is just the same as [0( :-) oups, yes ofcorse z~

Re: [PD] polymatrix...patchbay for audio and anything

2008-04-25 Thread hard off
i didn't delete it. had a good look, and the help file doesn't seem to be a part of pd-extended hans build for os x. ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list

Re: [PD] polymatrix...patchbay for audio and anything

2008-04-25 Thread hard off
actually, none of the matrix help files work on osx not [matrix], nor [matrix~]. nor [mtx_*~] ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list

Re: [PD] polymatrix...patchbay for audio and anything

2008-04-25 Thread IOhannes m zmölnig
hard off wrote: i didn't delete it. had a good look, and the help file doesn't seem to be a part of pd-extended hans build for os x. well, how about filing a bug-report then? (i think it is a packaging bug in pd-extended; but you also might just have a very outdated version of pd-extended

Re: [PD] polymatrix...patchbay for audio and anything

2008-04-25 Thread IOhannes m zmölnig
hard off wrote: actually, none of the matrix help files work on osx not [matrix], nor [matrix~]. nor [mtx_*~] this is a well known bug (though opinions differ here) in Pd-extended, as it does not allow aliases of object names. fga,sr IOhannes

[PD] Retrieving Text form a URL | Webpage

2008-04-25 Thread mark edward grimm
Hello, Didn't find any results on search... Do we know a way to retrieve/grab Text from a webpage/url in PD... ... then write it to a textfile maybe? or insert into a list. Thanks! mark mark edward grimm | m.f.a | ed.m syracuse u. | vpa foundations | timearts adjunct |

Re: [PD] Cyclone in vanilla?

2008-04-25 Thread marius schebella
frank, you are right that the importer would probably use pd's internal pow~, but from my own experience I can only say max and pd are becoming less and less compatible, I ported a lot of patches and also big patches, I always did this by hand, because there are too many things that can go

Re: [PD] Cyclone in vanilla?

2008-04-25 Thread Julian Peterson
I don't really think PD-Max compatibility should factor much into decisions about improving PD, especially when it would force 'untidy' concessions on the part of PD to facilitate awkward max paradigms (like right to left execution order, etc.). If [1]**[2] (where [1] and [2] are inlets)

Re: [PD] Cyclone in vanilla?

2008-04-25 Thread hard off
just asking, but does ANYONE actually import max patches into pd? ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list

Re: [PD] Retrieving Text form a URL | Webpage

2008-04-25 Thread IOhannes m zmölnig
mark edward grimm wrote: Hello, Didn't find any results on search... Do we know a way to retrieve/grab Text from a webpage/url in PD... ... then write it to a textfile maybe? or insert into a list. you don't have to use Pd, you could just do wget [URL] myfile.txt you can run this

Re: [PD] pdp_colorgrid bug

2008-04-25 Thread Hans-Christoph Steiner
On Apr 24, 2008, at 6:33 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: S'està citant Hans-Christoph Steiner [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Apr 1, 2008, at 8:13 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: Hey Lluis, Good to hear that you're working on these objects, they are very valuable

Re: [PD] pd-msg

2008-04-25 Thread Hans-Christoph Steiner
On Apr 24, 2008, at 10:49 PM, Mike McGonagle wrote: On Thu, Apr 24, 2008 at 7:27 PM, Luigi Rensinghoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: do you know how the numbers change if you cut everything from patch and paste it back in ?? my impression is that it does not start from zero ?? What if you

Re: [PD] pdp_opencv pix_opencv new development

2008-04-25 Thread Hans-Christoph Steiner
This looks very useful. A quick question, do these objects provide the raw tracking data? We should get them included in the nightly builds when you are ready for that, once the 0.40-extended is released. .hc On Apr 24, 2008, at 9:07 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: hi all, I started a

Re: [PD] Cyclone in vanilla?

2008-04-25 Thread marius schebella
hard off wrote: just asking, but does ANYONE actually import max patches into pd? people want to do that all the time, so if we had a conversion system, then I guess people would use it. (right now it does not work well enough to be usable). but the same goes for pd to java, pd to C++. and it

Re: [PD] Cyclone in vanilla?

2008-04-25 Thread Frank Barknecht
Hallo, another point to take into account are arguments: What should pow 2 output? Ciao -- Frank Julian Peterson hat gesagt: // Julian Peterson wrote: I don't really think PD-Max compatibility should factor much into decisions about improving PD, especially when it would force 'untidy'

Re: [PD] Cyclone in vanilla?

2008-04-25 Thread Frank Barknecht
Hallo, hard off hat gesagt: // hard off wrote: just asking, but does ANYONE actually import max patches into pd? The whole RTC-lib was (im)ported with Cyclone. Ciao -- Frank ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -

Re: [PD] pdp_opencv pix_opencv new development

2008-04-25 Thread marius schebella
I hoped for such a long time that someone would start this. thanks 1000 times lluis! unfortunately I could not get it compiling on my os x box. I installed the opencv framework from http://opencvlibrary.sourceforge.net/Mac_OS_X_OpenCV_Port and then tried to find the correct directories to include

Re: [PD] Cyclone in vanilla?

2008-04-25 Thread Andy Farnell
On Fri, 25 Apr 2008 09:52:43 -0400 Julian Peterson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: if you write a PD patch, you can give it to anyone with a reasonably modern computer; they will be able to download PD on their machine/OS and execute with full rights and privileges. For the last 2 years I have

Re: [PD] pdp_opencv pix_opencv new development

2008-04-25 Thread marius schebella
Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: This looks very useful. A quick question, do these objects provide the raw tracking data? they provide cool pixel based algorithms like more sophisticated blob operations, pattern recognition methods (like face recognition), and much much more! marius.

Re: [PD] tutorial on struct/template usage?

2008-04-25 Thread Miller Puckette
They're obscure by design (I'm trying to think of a more straightforward design but can't). Meanwhile, did you find the 4.data.structures tutorial in the Pd distribution? cheers Miller On Fri, Apr 25, 2008 at 11:40:09AM +0200, Nicola Bernardini wrote: Dear all, is it me, or the part on

Re: [PD] Cyclone in vanilla?

2008-04-25 Thread Andy Farnell
On Fri, 25 Apr 2008 16:39:04 +0200 Frank Barknecht [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hallo, another point to take into account are arguments: What should pow 2 output? Well, presuming we do keep compatability [pow~ 2] will continue to behave as it does in Cyclone. For the proposed intrinsic [**~ ]

Re: [PD] Cyclone in vanilla?

2008-04-25 Thread Miller Puckette
OMG, is it really true that pow and pow~ are reversed from each other in Max (and hence cyclone)!? That's genuinely strange - and if it's true, I'd definitely make pow~ act as the present pow (left inlet raiesed to right inlet as a power) and just print out a warning for a year or two. cheers M

Re: [PD] I'm stuck in a corner, please help! RE: [delta~] object was: Re: Cyclone in vanilla?

2008-04-25 Thread Miller Puckette
I think this is my mistake -- as someone else pointed out, it should have been rzero_rev~, not rzero 1 -- sorry for the confusion. Miller On Fri, Apr 25, 2008 at 04:08:38PM +0100, Andy Farnell wrote: I've attached again an example of a patch that demonstrates the practical difference

Re: [PD] Cyclone in vanilla?

2008-04-25 Thread marius schebella
Miller Puckette wrote: OMG, is it really true that pow and pow~ are reversed from each other in Max (and hence cyclone)!? That's genuinely strange - and if it's true, I'd definitely make pow~ act as the present pow (left inlet raiesed to right inlet as a power) and just print out a warning

Re: [PD] Retrieving Text form a URL | Webpage

2008-04-25 Thread marius schebella
mark edward grimm wrote: Hello, Didn't find any results on search... Do we know a way to retrieve/grab Text from a webpage/url in PD... ... then write it to a textfile maybe? or insert into a list. Thanks! mark also look at detox from jasch_lib that can handle xml/html formatted

Re: [PD] Retrieving Text form a URL | Webpage

2008-04-25 Thread mark edward grimm
Beautiful! Thanks so much! i'll search that archives for that. i looked at mr.peach but must have overlooked the help patch so thanks for the pointer! mark --- IOhannes m zmölnig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: mark edward grimm wrote: Hello, Didn't find any results on search... Do we

Re: [PD] I'm stuck in a corner, please help! RE: [delta~] object was: Re: Cyclone in vanilla?

2008-04-25 Thread Matt Barber
Hello, For [z~ 1] you can use [rzero_rev~ 0] -- its response is: y[n] = -a[n] * x[n] + x[n-1] setting the coefficient to 0 gets rid of the current input and leaves the one-sample delay. Thanks, Matt Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2008 12:21:54 +0200 From: IOhannes m zm?lnig [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [PD] Cyclone in vanilla?

2008-04-25 Thread Steffen Juul
On 25/04/2008, at 17.06, Miller Puckette wrote: OMG, is it really true that pow and pow~ are reversed from each other in Max (and hence cyclone)!? no (the assumption in the above is not true). according to the reference manuals downloadable from C74's website [0], pow and pow~ are

Re: [PD] Cyclone in vanilla?

2008-04-25 Thread Steffen Juul
On 25/04/2008, at 17.37, marius schebella wrote: in max (4.6) you get [6\ | [pow 2] | [36\ That is odd. It matches the example in their reference manuals but not the text unless base and exponent momentarily means something else while reading that text.

Re: [PD] I'm stuck in a corner, please help! RE: [delta~] object was: Re: Cyclone in vanilla?

2008-04-25 Thread Roman Haefeli
this, or use the suggestion IOhannes made some posts ago: http://lists.puredata.info/pipermail/pd-list/2008-04/061576.html roman On Fri, 2008-04-25 at 11:47 -0400, Matt Barber wrote: Hello, For [z~ 1] you can use [rzero_rev~ 0] -- its response is: y[n] = -a[n] * x[n] + x[n-1]

Re: [PD] pd-msg

2008-04-25 Thread Mike McGonagle
On Fri, Apr 25, 2008 at 9:25 AM, Hans-Christoph Steiner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Apr 24, 2008, at 10:49 PM, Mike McGonagle wrote: On Thu, Apr 24, 2008 at 7:27 PM, Luigi Rensinghoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: do you know how the numbers change if you cut everything from patch and

Re: [PD] Cyclone in vanilla?

2008-04-25 Thread marius schebella
Steffen Juul wrote: On 25/04/2008, at 17.37, marius schebella wrote: in max (4.6) you get [6\ | [pow 2] | [36\ That is odd. It matches the example in their reference manuals but not the text unless base and exponent momentarily means something else while reading that text.

Re: [PD] Cyclone in vanilla?

2008-04-25 Thread Frank Barknecht
Hallo, Miller Puckette hat gesagt: // Miller Puckette wrote: OMG, is it really true that pow and pow~ are reversed from each other in Max (and hence cyclone)!? Not in Max, but in Cyclone, which uses the [pow] from Pd, which is reverse from the [pow] in Max. According to the Max 4.6 manual

Re: [PD] Cyclone in vanilla?

2008-04-25 Thread marius schebella
Steffen Juul wrote: On 25/04/2008, at 17.37, marius schebella wrote: in max (4.6) you get [6\ | [pow 2] | [36\ That is odd. It matches the example in their reference manuals but not the text unless base and exponent momentarily means something else while reading that text.

Re: [PD] I'm stuck in a corner, please help! RE: [delta~] object was: Re: Cyclone in vanilla?

2008-04-25 Thread Frank Barknecht
Hallo, Andy Farnell hat gesagt: // Andy Farnell wrote: Fundamentally, [z~] is a *very* useful primitive to have I think, fundamentally z~ is just delread~/delwrite~ with a different way to specify delay times, slightly better performance because it doesn't allow many things delread~/delwrite~

Re: [PD] I'm stuck in a corner, please help! RE: [delta~] object was: Re: Cyclone in vanilla?

2008-04-25 Thread Roman Haefeli
On Fri, 2008-04-25 at 16:08 +0100, Andy Farnell wrote: I've attached again an example of a patch that demonstrates the practical difference between different one sample differentiators. Try replacing [fexpr~ $x1 - $x1[-1]] in the water flow generator with / \ | [z~] | | [-~] |

Re: [PD] tutorial on struct/template usage?

2008-04-25 Thread Frank Barknecht
Hallo, Nicola Bernardini hat gesagt: // Nicola Bernardini wrote: is it me, or the part on struct/template objects is rather obscure as far as documentation goes? I really would like to do something with these objects, and now I have the occasion to do it, but I am not able to guess

Re: [PD] Retrieving Text form a URL | Webpage

2008-04-25 Thread star morin
you can also use the language of your choice that supports OSC and parse the page externally. i've attached a perl example w/ a super simple pd patch. -s On Fri, 2008-04-25 at 06:14 -0700, mark edward grimm wrote: Hello, Didn't find any results on search... Do we know a way to

Re: [PD] polymatrix...patchbay for audio and anything

2008-04-25 Thread Luigi Rensinghoff
Sorry, i dont get it ?? what do you mean... Am 25.04.2008 um 12:48 schrieb hard off: ahh, name changegets me every time. who thought of mtx_*~ though??? a bit over the top isn't it? why over the top ?? and still no help file. obviously audio matrices are so simple that

Re: [PD] contextual pdpedia menu link

2008-04-25 Thread Hans-Christoph Steiner
That sounds very useful, I have always missed that, but I don't see the patch attached. I think the patch tracker would be a good place for it. I just got Cmd-M working to minimize, but it is a hack. I think that Cmd-M and Cmd-` (to switch between windows) should work with a Tk app, but

Re: [PD] Cyclone in vanilla?

2008-04-25 Thread Jamie Bullock
On Fri, 2008-04-25 at 11:37 -0400, marius schebella wrote: in max (4.6) you get [sig~ 6] | [pow~ 2] | [snapshot~] | [64\ Same with cyclone/pow~ Jamie -- www.postlude.co.uk ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and

Re: [PD] pd-msg

2008-04-25 Thread Hans-Christoph Steiner
On Apr 25, 2008, at 12:09 PM, Mike McGonagle wrote: On Fri, Apr 25, 2008 at 9:25 AM, Hans-Christoph Steiner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Apr 24, 2008, at 10:49 PM, Mike McGonagle wrote: On Thu, Apr 24, 2008 at 7:27 PM, Luigi Rensinghoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: do you know how the

Re: [PD] Retrieving Text form a URL | Webpage

2008-04-25 Thread Hans-Christoph Steiner
Hopefully, mrpeach himself will chime in, there are rumors he's got a HTTP running that's built-in Pd. .hc On Apr 25, 2008, at 11:40 AM, mark edward grimm wrote: Beautiful! Thanks so much! i'll search that archives for that. i looked at mr.peach but must have overlooked the help patch so

Re: [PD] pd-msg

2008-04-25 Thread Mike McGonagle
Just curious, but has anyone tried to test the performance differences between sending messages as compared to actually connecting things up with wires? I am curious weather or not one of my patches would work with messages, as I want to instantiate close to 200 oscillators, with each taking

Re: [PD] Retrieving Text form a URL | Webpage

2008-04-25 Thread mark edward grimm
hmmm ... [shell] crashes pd when it bangs DONE pd-0.40.3-extended-20080222 osx 10.5.2 intel 2.16 ghz ...although i can hit ignore and continue working. pretty weird. --- IOhannes m zmölnig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: mark edward grimm wrote: Hello, Didn't find any results on search...

[PD] pattern extraction/recognition

2008-04-25 Thread cristiano listas
Hi, i'm looking for a way to make a patch that recognizes musical motifs from a flute player in real-time. Maybe using ann externals to first training with the player, or with some recorded material. There is other ways to do that? Someone is doing something similar on Pd? Pd is the best

Re: [PD] pd-msg

2008-04-25 Thread Luigi Rensinghoff
Well... not yet...but if you post the patch, or the part with th 200 or more wires... i would test the difference. I am surprised where this discussion is going...many useful tips so far. I personally dont like that $0 $1 confusion somehow, but thats just because i dont remeber what i

[PD] alpha and gemframebuffer

2008-04-25 Thread marius schebella
hi, I am having trouble getting alpha channel work with gemframebuffers. can someone look at the patch and see what I am doing wrong? thanks, marius. bg_images_alpha.pd Description: application/extension-pd ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list

[PD] problems compiling pix_opencv in OSX (Was Re: pdp_opencv pix_opencv new development)

2008-04-25 Thread lluisgomez
hi marius, today first time I have tried to compile this objects in macosx, i marius schebella [EMAIL PROTECTED] ha escrito: I hoped for such a long time that someone would start this. thanks 1000 times lluis! unfortunately I could not get it compiling on my os x box. I installed the

Re: [PD] problems compiling pix_opencv in OSX (Was Re: pdp_opencv pix_opencv new development)

2008-04-25 Thread lluisgomez
(sorry my last mail was incomplete) hi marius, today first time I have tried to compile this objects in macosx with no success ;( but i had gone a little bit far than you ... i think we are quite close. first of all overwrite the Makefile you are using by the one i send attached in

Re: [PD] pdp_colorgrid bug

2008-04-25 Thread lluisgomez
Hans-Christoph Steiner [EMAIL PROTECTED] ha escrito: On Apr 24, 2008, at 6:33 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: S'està citant Hans-Christoph Steiner [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Apr 1, 2008, at 8:13 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: Hey Lluis, Good to hear that you're

Re: [PD] pdp_opencv pix_opencv new development

2008-04-25 Thread lluisgomez
marius schebella [EMAIL PROTECTED] ha escrito: Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: This looks very useful. A quick question, do these objects provide the raw tracking data? yes, can do it. opencv offers really huge number of functions and algorithms, take a look here for more info :

Re: [PD] problems compiling pix_opencv in OSX (Was Re: pdp_opencv pix_opencv new development)

2008-04-25 Thread marius schebella
got it working! [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: However, when I try to load any of them PD gives me this error:: /Users/lluisgomezbigorda/pix_opencv/pix_opencv_edge.pd_darwin: dlopen(/Users/lluisgomezbigorda/pix_opencv/pix_opencv_edge.pd_darwin, 10): Symbol not found: