Hallo!
At the 27.+28.11.2010 there will be a free Pure Data workshop at the
Metalab (metalab.at) in Vienna, Austria.
For further information see the wiki page:
http://metalab.at/wiki/Pd-Workshop !
So if you are in Vienna or somewhere around in central europe, you are
invited to join us !
Hey Chris !
Very nice - will have a look at it ... ;)
LG
Georg
chrism schrieb:
http://mccormick.cx/dev/webpd/tests.html
For sound you will want these builds of Firefox:
https://wiki.mozilla.org/Audio_Data_API
Source code: http://code.google.com/p/web-pure-data/
Mailing list:
Hallo!
That's the wrong URL for SVN, sorry. I fixed it in the wiki page. It
should build now then on Tuesday, we are meeting up to get the audio I/O
working.
Thanks - then I will try again on wednesday ;)
LG
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Hallo!
Actually, it would be good to try building it before we meet, in case
you find any problems, then we can fix it. Currently its in a works
for me state.
OK - but I still cannot checkout from the repository:
:~/projects/android/android-ndk-1.6_r1/apps$ svn co
Hallo!
Hans-Christoph Steiner schrieb:
Ok, made some progress on building Pd for Android. It builds fine, but
its not quite working yet. But give it a shot and join in the fun:
http://puredata.info/docs/developer/BuildingPdForAndroid
Nice !
I also wanted to try it today, but I have the
Hallo!
Does anyone implemented some echo cancellation or adaptative filtering
with pd ?
We made some adaptive filter: http://grh.mur.at/software/adaptive.html
But I think more people did similar and more advanced things ...
LG
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Hello!
Next tuesday there will be a first meeting of pure data users in Berlin:
We are meeting at 8pm at NK for the monthy? puredata Meeting on
tuesday 15 decc, 2009.
Doors are open from
Hallo!
João Pais schrieb:
how about control? I was hoping of in the future perform in the middle
of the room with a htc magic (or something) controlling my patch on the
laptop in the stage. is osc already available in all these platforms?
Yeah, there is such an application (with osc) on the
Hallo!
I just got an android phone (linux) and was actually quite impressed.
It is very user-friendly and there are also good development tools (I
did not program something so far, but I will ...)
However, I don't know how easy it is to port PD to android phones. The
general platform is in
and has the C-Java JNI audio interface, then it
shouldn't be hard to package it up and distribute it as a regular
Android app.
http://puredata.info/docs/developer/BuildingPdForAndroid
.hc
On Oct 12, 2009, at 12:08 PM, Georg Holzmann wrote:
Hallo!
I just got an android phone (linux
Hallo!
I don't know what you mean by clean it up by hand but if you just
mean users deleting spam edits then this is not sustainable. The spam
edits are automated and so they will win any editwar. To combat spam,
+1
we need something systematic: block the spam IPs, use MediaWiki Spam
Hallo!
experience, aims what I would like is the easiest route to begin
with :)*
First rule is always: use C/C++ only if it is _really_ necessary.
(you can design most of your filters also with pd's elementary filter
objects ...)
If you really want DSP externals:
Derek Holzer schrieb:
My tendency is to keep everything as simple and low-tech as possible.
Does video conferencing add anything substantial that IRC doesn't have
already? Do we want to do interpretive dance for each other in order to
write a FLOSS manual? Do we really need to look at another
Hallo!
I will be in Berlin from mar27 to mar30, and I would also like to
contribute to the book sprint, but it is difficult for me during
week/business hours.
Yes, this weekend would be also nice for me ;) !
LG
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Hallo!
It sounds nice, but do they support such projects ?
IMHO building websites and similar things are more documentation, which
is not allowed.
Maybe you should ask them ...
LG
Georg
Hans-Christoph Steiner schrieb:
I've had an idea for a long time for a web interface to the patches
Hallo!
i added my name to two existing projects matching my competences. Just
in case Georg is too busy with all the other ones he is part of.
Yes of course, feel free to add you to the projects !
I think we should have at least two mentors for each project, at least
for the application
Hallo Derek !
Nice projects - I also think that we need more patcher-only projects !
LG
Georg
Derek Holzer schrieb:
Since I'm completely uninterested in touching anything C, C++, TclTk or
otherwise related, I submitted two Pd patching projects which should be
general enough to attract
Hallo Markus !
The same with me.
interested in coding but just very rare skills.but patching.
maybe the graphical userinterface which i started for gem could be
interesting.As i am in the job now, i cannot send screenshots nor patches.
if there is interest I put some things together
Hallo!
Yes, please add/correct things to the projects, create new content etc.
We will clean it up then at the last day !
To the categories: are the understandable ?
Because I am not really happy with them ...
Maybe we should order them like this:
- pd patches
- pd externals (C or Tcl knowledge
Hallo!
I started to put ideas together at the following WIKI page:
http://puredata.info/dev/summer-of-code/GoogleSummerOfCodeIdeas2009
If you are interested joining one project as a mentor, please just add
your name in the list of possible mentors ...
Please also add your projects using the
hope you don't mind ;)
@IOhannes: same for you ;) - but you can of course join more projects
(now I added you only to the gem multiwindow project, because here you
are the only possible author)
To all other mentors: please add you to the wiki and also add projects !
Thanks,
LG
Georg
Georg
start the page,
and then we can fill it in as each of us finds the time.
.hc
On Feb 28, 2009, at 8:41 AM, Georg Holzmann wrote:
Hallo Hans !
Do you have or other have any comments on my last mail ?
I don't want to start a new wiki page if there is no agreement about
the procedure
Hallo Hans !
Do you have or other have any comments on my last mail ?
I don't want to start a new wiki page if there is no agreement about the
procedure ...
LG
Georg
Hans-Christoph Steiner schrieb:
On Feb 25, 2009, at 3:52 PM, Enrique Erne wrote:
wow these project are really nice.
i
Hallo Hans, list !
Google is doing summer of code again, this time we have the knowledge
and an app so that we can get chosen again. Here's the site:
http://code.google.com/soc/
Here's our app from last year:
http://puredata.info/dev/summer-of-code/
Nice - I quickly looked through
Hallo Fränk!
uhh.- sorry.
Well I can´t find pd-entended with the synaptics search function.-
best, fraenk
Yes, I also installed pd extended via ubuntu package management two days
ago and it worked fine.
Maybe you forgot to make an update ;) ?
Try:
apt-get update
apt-get install pd-extended
Hallo!
make -f Makefile.pd_main pd_linux
with the pd sources of sourceforge svn ...
I also compiled the threadlib from sourceforge svn (/externals/grh/.)
and seems ok ...
Fine !
But I got an error at puredata (version 041.4 extended 2009 01 21)
/usr/lib/pd/extra/sndfiler.pd_linux:
Hallo!
I tried with
pd -lib threadlib
then
threadlib vers.0.1, library for threaded patching and externals
2005, by Georg Holzmann g...@mur.at mailto:g...@mur.at
heavily based on pd_devel code by Tim Blechmann
WARNING: this is very experimental and may crash your patches !
ok
Hallo!
First thanks for the answers !
after seeing much more Berliners at the RjDj sprint this weekend and
at least 3 people including myself being interested in reanimating
the Stammtisch I think we can have an other try...
Perhaps we could also find some more unknown pd-users at C-Base?
Hallo Frank!
In general this should not matter (although there can be numerical
unstabilities with some structures - but I thing that's no problem in
your case).
See for example series and parallel transfer functions in
INTRODUCTION TO DIGITAL FILTERS (which is BTW a very nice book):
Hallo Berliner!
Since now many of the pd-graz people are living in Berlin (or at least
Michi Pinter and me for now ;), it would be nice to meet some Berlin pd
people (or similar).
I heard that there was a pd stammtisch here, but I guess it is not
active anymore ?
So if anyone is interested -
Hallo!
But as I understood e.g. this [1] separating packages of Pd and
externals/abstractions is something, Hans did rather not want to deal
with (at least at that time), so someone else needs to do it.
[1] http://lists.puredata.info/pipermail/pd-dev/2008-04/011410.html
Yes, as I said (or
Hallo!
just got a shiny new asus eeePC
i am fairly new to linux, and looking for the easiest most friendly way
to install
pd-entended (i dont need it to be the latest version, althou that'd be
great).
tips for a linux newbie?
It is just the same as on every other computer.
I use
Hallo!
your package-manager should handle the dependencies/conflicts correctly,
that is: ask you if you want to uninstall the puredata package when
you try to install the pd-extended package.
as H-C said, it doesn't seem to happen. I only get the error message, and
no other options
Hallo!
I was just looking at the list archives and noticed a
thread on this that seemed to end around 2005. I am
just wondering if there was any progress on DV Out
(pix_dvout?) from gem...
Unfortunately no ... (or at least I don't know it)
LG
Georg
Hallo!
i find it quite odd .. the idea of using matlab which is t00 sl0w!
Well, if you need calculations with bigger matrices then matlab (or
octave, numpy/scipy, ...) will be much faster !
LG
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in the description of the algorithm they talk about some pending
patents... I guess they use more than simple ann comparison to get this
working in realtime on a game console.
Yes, I also would not use a feedforward neural network (as implemented
in ann) for this. You have to use a
Hallo!
Hm. You can incorporate changes over time using a standard feedforward
ANN by wrapping your time-ordered vectors over a given time period into
a single input vector and increasing the number of inputs to the network
accordingly. But of course this introduces latency and other problems
Hallo!
you'll be able to load the library with [import], and use namespace
prefixes.
that's not how i imagine it :-)
Pd can do most of this already without the need for [import].
? - What do you mean ? declare ?
LG
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Hallo!
It was a quick hack we did at LAC, but it turns out that there is a
Debian tool for this, that's probably the better choice. I think the
tool is dpkg-shlibsdeps, but I am just guessing.
No I changed it already to use dpkg-shlibsdeps (but thanks for the link)
- so I don't really
Hallo!
I just proceeded to the install of Pd version 0.3-extended-20080402 on
a friend's brand new ubuntu gutsy i386 install
Thanks for your report - did you install an autobuild version ?
Because I just changed the debian packages in the latest autobuild
version which tries to detect the
Hallo!
Official repository don't provide puredata. Old version (0.39) could
be found in Etch repository.
Yes an old version is also in the Xandros repositories ...
However, I also compiled pd from source now.
And it really runs quite nice - one of my performance patches with
arduino
Hallo!
I will also get one next week (they are sold out here ATM) and will
definitely make some pd experiments on it ... ;)
[EMAIL PROTECTED] schrieb:
Hi, nice to hear that PD runs on Eeepc!
Did you use apt-get to install it?
Yes you can use the debian repositories ... lots of information
Hans-Christoph Steiner schrieb:
I think they want to see more polish on the app. I had a brief
conversation with the administrator of GSoC, Leslie Hawthorn:
Hm, I don't know ...
We had really many ideas on the page and described in many details (at
least the most of them) - much more than
Hallo!
marius schebella schrieb:
that's really bad to hear, especially since iem was already getting
money last year. do you think there was a problem with last years projects?
Maybe there were too few student-applications last year ...
or maybe supporting pd is useless for google. don't
Hallo!
I wonder if anyone did vowel recognition with Pd.
AFAIK no.
I added speech recognition for the GSoC projects some day ago:
http://puredata.info/dev/summer-of-code/SpeechRecognitionForPD
So you could try to use SPHINX or HTK. E.g. look at this tutorial:
Hallo!
Hans-Christoph Steiner schrieb:
Shall we apply as Pure Data this time? I am ok to apply as IEM
Yes, I think we should do it as Pure Data, as discussed in Cologne ...
again, but it just seems that most projects apply as the project
rather than as another institution. Does anyone
Hallo!
In light of the recent discussion about Blender + Pd is there
maybe some possibility of a combined cross application proposal?
As far as I remember it does not need to be restricted to pd.
The Pd-mentors will decide which projects are accepted (not google), so
if they think that
Hallo!
There are also ambisonic externals from IEM and Jasch, for better
spatialization.
I would not say better ;) - it depends ...
Maybe a Spatialisation with Pure-Data page would be nice - is there
something like that out there already? a web page, academic papers,
performance
Hallo!
I'd like to apply for some Mentos. I like mixed fruit or grape.
As for Pd, I can't think of something major enough to call for Google
SoC, but I'll keep thinking.
I think the projects should not be too big. This is maybe something we
can learn from last year. It would be nice to have
Hallo!
let's say I want to use OSCroute...
I put an object [import oscx].
but OSCroute ... couldn't create
only oscx/OSCroute works, and then I can also use OSCroute.
I can import OSCroute, but only after I imported oscx.
Okay, which pd-extended version do you use ?
I use the autobuild Pd
Hallo!
We discussed at the LAC that we would like to apply again this year for
google's summer of code project, which is about to start today
(http://code.google.com/soc/2008/).
I started a wiki at:
http://puredata.info/dev/summer-of-code/GoogleSummerOfCodeIdeas/
where everyone can put in
Hallo!
i imported both libraries (see log below) but still no luck
define speakers and mtx_*~ are still m.i.a.
ideas?
because you probably imported the libs after the other objects.
Try to load the libraries at pd startup (e.g. in your pd settings or
with a startup flag).
LG
Georg
Hallo!
No matter who is the host org for this, we should definitely do it
again. The funding is based on how many people apply as students and
as mentors, so we should all work together to get as many
applications in as possible.
Yes we should have more mentors. Last year were only
Hans-Christoph Steiner schrieb:
The files are in packages/linux_make. The problem is that there is just
one package description file which needs to build the .debs for all of
the different Debian-based distributions.
In order to support multiple distros, we'll need a way to manage
Hallo!
First: do you use the autobuilds or the stable pd-extended ?
what is the problem that (in pd-extended) abbreviated object classes
like mtx_+ cannot be instantiated, I have to create mtx_add before.
Because the hexloader was broken - I don't know if this is already fixed
in the
Hallo Hans + others!
I still have to same error with the ubuntu gutsy autobuild (see below)
which is quite annoying when installing it on other systems ...
So I wanted to ask: where in the SVN repository are the files that build
these gutsy packages ?
Then I can fix the dependencies ...
LG
Ingo Scherzinger schrieb:
Hi,
does anybody know if there is an alternative method to soundfiler in
order to load wave files into tables.
Soundfiler is not realtime capable and I urgently need to load files in
the background while playing audio and midi without interruption.
Maybe an
Hallo!
is that correct, that it only happens if some table needs to be resized?
No it happens also if you only load a soundfile ...
can drop-outs completely be avoided by using [sndfiler] without any
table resizing?
No not completely - however, I did not get dropouts in my use-cases ...
LG
Hallo!
it's sad, but especially for mastering tasks i still have to stick with
proprietary tools on a proprietary operating system, since working with
foss tools is still way far from being as efficient as with the tools
that are usually used in studios.
Did you try Ardour+Jamin ?
I did some
Hallo!
- jamin is cool and powerful software too, but it follows the wrong
strategy: you can only use it in real-time, since it is a jack-plugin.
having to render in realtime is a pain and dangerous in many situations
Yeah that's true - would be nice to do that offline ...
But this is also
Hans-Christoph Steiner schrieb:
Miller is giving a keynote, so it seems it could be the Pd year at
LAC. I'll be presenting the NY Times project that I recently worked
on. Who else will be there?
basically all the pd-people from graz !
LG
Georg
marius schebella schrieb:
let me ask the other way? why has pd to behave different than every
other program on my computer?
Yes, I also don't understand this ...
Although there might be a workaround, newbies (and even me as not so new
newbie) don't know this and are only irritated.
LG
Georg
Hallo Martin!
Second: Has pdradio.iem.at been disbanded? I recently read about it and
I'm interested in hearing what it has to offer but I haven't been able
to access it for the past few days
Yes, the server died ... :(
So pdradio is history.
LG
Georg
Hallo!
I have again a basic alpha blending problem, where I don't find a solution:
For example I have two images (A + B), which are overlapping at a small
part (C):
| image A |
| |
| |--
| | C | |
Hallo!
I have the following (basic) GEM problem (and some ascii-art ;) :
I have 2 movies running with pix_film which are rendered on rectangles
with the same size over the whole screen and I want to see only a part
of each movie (see illustration):
from movie A:
Hallo!
Many thanks - it works !
LG
Georg
I replied too quickly,
a better (more general solution which could involve more movies and
no masking) would be:
set the gemwin 'orthagonal'
layer the movies so A is furthest away, then B, C etc
in front of this place a black rectangle
then
Hallo!
Thanks Claude and IOhannes for the examples !
to clarify: what is wrong with using 2 small rectangles where the
selected section is textured to?
if i understand your original email correctly, you are trying to avoid
this.
No, it is what I want I simply did not know that this is
Hallo!
im a pc user trying to use the playlist object, but
it doesn't seem to want to be created.. it works
on my mates mac, but no go on the pc.. is it just
a mac external ?? any ideas would be super!
pc or not - what is your OS ;) ?
On linux that's no problem - don't know for windows ...
Hallo!
pitfal: not using Pd-0.41
advice: use pd-0.41
What is the difference between Pd-0.41 and pd-0.41 ;) ?
LG
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tania habib schrieb:
Well now I am facing a problem, I guess I was too excited to really
check whether this option worked properly or not!
The problem is that I have a patch in Pd, where I am using adc~,
writesf~ to write the streaming data into wave files.
When I initialize Pd, it recognizes
Hallo!
Thanks again Georg, do you have a sense as to what it would take to
re-write the external with the calls embedded in the external? Is this
possible? It would be nice if one didn't have to use an accompanying
script in Python , Perl etc to make those calls.
Once again: you don't have
Hallo!
Thanks I looked at that but it wasn't clear to me how I could connect to
an external server such as
http://xmlrpc-c.sourceforge.net/api.sample.php with this. Do I need to
run a python script along with the patch? Is there a help file some
where?
Well, there is an help pach: look in
Hallo!
Thanks Georg . I saw this patch but it doesn't really have any explanation
associated with it that I can see.
Also one would have to run another script in Python or something to make the
xml-rpc calls if I understand it correctly.
No, this is just an example in python...
Is that
marius schebella schrieb:
Mathieu Bouchard wrote:
this is actually cos^2+sin^2=1 in this context,
these are not unity vextors, if you square the cosine and sine part you
don't get one, but a square of the amplitudes, so it is more
cos^2+sin^2=amplitude^2
hm, I don't really understand
Hallo!
The main reason we use complex numbers in electronic music is
because they magically automate trigonometric calculations. We
frequently have to add angles together in order to talk about the
changing phase of an audio signal as time progresses (or as it is
shifted in time, as in
Hallo!
Max MSP/Jitter has bridge objects that convert from audio rate to
matrices and back, which would be needed in PD land to readback from
the GPU, and convert to an audio rate signal. Thats how this is done.
Otherwise i have no idea how you would implement souch a patch.
I think
Hallo!
it is true that the gpu is unused most of the time and could be used to
do fast calculations, but the main output for graphicscards is the
screen and reading back into ram can be slow. (of course slow is a
relative term). I also see a problem in the different formats for audio
and
Hallo Thomas !
Signal support for py/pyext is really experimental and i don't recommend
it at all, since it's also inefficient cpu-wise.
I am just curious: what is so slow ?
(I did not look into the source ...)
I use also python for offline computation (not with pd yet) and it is
quite fast
Hallo!
after I finished my script I found out that there is already an object
that does xml-rpc (iemxmlrpc). iem used it for the iArs project, but I
did not find the object?
It is in pd-cvs/externals/iem/iemxmlrpc/
I am planning to use it as a protocol to talk to a database server.
Hallo!
$inlets = Inlets;
$outlets = Outles;
I use in german also the terms Eingang and Ausgang - don't know what the
others think ...
$arguments = Argumente;
$messages = Messages; # not sure about this one.
# german would be 'Nachrichten', but
Hallo Arshia !
I would like to announce the release of Transcribe~, a real-time
polyphonic audio to Midi transcriber for Pd and MaxMSP.
Thanks - this sounds quite interesting !
However, unfortunately I can not try it (am on linux), you only have the
binaries on the page ...
LG
Georg
Hallo!
The first one found would be the right one. It's not pd's problem if there
exist more than one file with the same name. Surely that's up to the creators
of the files to sort out.
Well, this is now discussed since years.
The whole namespace+pd-extended thing would not be obsolete if
Hallo!
as far as i have understood it, the standard library wants to duplicate
externals: e.g. an object that allows interfacing with the serial port
would be a copy of iem/comport that is named hardware/comport (or whatever).
thus it would not rely on 3rd party externals, but on stdlib
Hallo Marius!
Only some small questions:
for what are the TAGS,TAGS,TAGS ? (in your csv file no object uses
them)
OBJECTNAME,ABBREVIATION,DESCRIPTION,LIBRARY,CATEGORY,TAGS,TAGS,TAGS,HELP
PATCH
And to the categories: do you want to list objects per category
afterwards, which would meen that
Thomas O Fredericks schrieb:
I was able to play mp3s in Windows with through a vst and the vst~
external. It worked great.
The vst mp3 player: http://www.kvraudio.com/get/604.html (almost
everything can be controlled with vst~)
It is also possible to play mp3 files with the mpe player from
IOhannes m zmoelnig schrieb:
Georg Holzmann wrote:
It is also possible to play mp3 files with the mpe player from iemlib
(iem_mp3), which should work under windows too.
The object is called [mp3play~].
have your read this thread?
I thought yes, but maybe its a problem of my mail
Hallo!
but even in the old autobuilds there is no iemmatrix.
Is it called matrix instead of iemmatrix? or is it stripped into single
objects (mtx_and...).
i don't know.
iemmatrix can be build as single object collection, so it is pd-extended
ready.
i will not add it, but i thought
marius schebella schrieb:
ähem... where is the chat? can I use iChat?
marius.
IRC (freenode), dataflow channel.
Don't know if iChat is an IRC client ...
LG
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hi,
could someone repeat when and where the chat session for pd
documentation will be on tuesday?
I think 18:00 UTC ?
LG
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Hallo Thomas!
Is there any problem in just using [closebang] ?
(as e.g. in the patch here
http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/msg00174.html, or I don't know
if someone else already made such an external)
As you describe the behaviour of your object IMHO it sounds not very
consistent
Hallo!
Thomas O Fredericks schrieb:
I have been waiting (count in years) for the long promised closebang. As
for many PD promises, I am tired of waiting... I got work to do!
I understand that - so maybe you can simply make an external out of the
[colsebang] patch ?
(I did not look into the
Tim Boykett schrieb:
Apologies for a slight stuff up,
The suggestion I made here, I now notice deep in the source, has been
made.
with the message
|device /dev/dv1394/0(
to pix_video I could have made this work all those days ago.
It should be documented in the help patch though ...
Tim Boykett schrieb:
Apologies for a slight stuff up,
The suggestion I made here, I now notice deep in the source, has been
made.
with the message
|device /dev/dv1394/0(
to pix_video I could have made this work all those days ago.
I should be documented in the help patch though ...
Hallo!
But I am having no luck with pix_video or pdp_v4l. The main problem
seems to be that (apparently) recently the naming conventions
in debian and possibly linux in general were changed. So there is
no more /dev/video0 for the v4l mode, and for pix_video trying to
work directly with
Hallo Marius!
I would like to know if it is better to send such problems only as a bug
report from the source forge site?
Don't think that its a bug, more a limitation of pd.
You can:
- rename all spaces in your filenames with _ (which is quite easy with
a shell script)
- make your
Hallo!
I was not talking about [pix_image], but [image] (originally in ggee).
ok, sorry - I thought you speak about [pix_image] ...
LG
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Mathieu Bouchard schrieb:
On_Thu,_9_Aug_2007,_Roman_Haefeli_wrote:_this_is,_what_i_was_trying_to_say:_you_cannot_expect_symbols_with_spaces_to_work_in_pd_(or_can_i?_correct_me,_if_i_am_wrong)_using_spaces_is_always_a_hack._that_is_why_expressed_uncertainty_about_this_behaviour_being_a_bug.
Hallo!
Sad to hear this. Guestbook doesn't like my browser so..
Happy hacking James, wherever you have gone.
some more photo-links from mathieu:
some notes in the piksel04 log:
http://www.piksel.no/piksel04/photoblog5.html
and a picture of James in his red striped shirt:
Hallo!
The problem is that two of the objects I have in the patch that Andy sent me
1- tab_mul
2- tab_cross_corr
these should be in the iem_tab external (included in latest pd extended)
LG
Georg
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Hallo!
no: loading the library or the libdir is not necessary in pd-extended,
because [filter~] is directly in the extra folder.
It is? Pd-extended continues to surprise/confuse me sometimes ... How
is it decided what is directly in extra and what not?
No, its not in extra - at least not
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