Hi,
On 09/05/2014 07:24, plutek infinity wrote:
greetings!
i'm sure this is a simple problem, but i can't seem to come up with the
solution...
i'm trying to control one numerical value in a few ways:
1. have a bang to set an initial value
2. have a slider for mouse control
3. use keyboard
using a vanilla numberbox instead of the Number2 (IEM gui) one).
Lorenzo.
#N canvas 275 188 871 498 10;
#X obj 35 29 hsl 128 20 -10 10 0 0 aa aa empty -2 -8 0 10 -1 -4034
-4034 11366 1;
#X obj 191 36 nbx 5 14 -10 10 0 0 aa aa empty 0 -8 0 14 -1 -4032 -4032
7.9 256;
#X obj 240 408 + 0.05;
#X obj
).
I'm not sure how (much) this fits in the topic you're going to address,
but I think it's an interesting angle to take into account. And I'll be
happy to share my personal experiences further if you think it's
interesting (as I guess my email was already rather long)
Ciao,
Lorenzo.
The project
of a [send]
or something like that without need for additional overhead? Isn't this
even more relevant as people are seriously starting to experiment on
Raspberry Pi and similar environments?
Just some brainstorming thoughts :)
Lorenzo.
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I reduced it by adding the attached module,
I think there are some typos in the [expr~] ?
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to the left inlet.
I think you should familiarise with the concept of 'hot' and 'cold'
inlets (and order of execution) explained the Pd Documentation Ch. 2 [1].
Lorenzo.
[1] http://msp.ucsd.edu/Pd_documentation/x2.htm See in particular
2.3.3. hot and cold inlets and right to left outlet order
the operation when both are stored or
when a bang is sent to the left inlet.
Not really. As lorenzo said, PD has strict rules regarding inlets and
order or execution. The [* ] only stores the value of the right inlet.
Any value sent to the left inlet will not be stored,
Actually
, unless you have old externs that can't load into it.
Very interesting, thanks for sharing.
Is this something specific to macs or was this just chance? Are there
any other 'benchmarks' for linux?
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~].
Often, though, for smoothing non-singnal control messages (e.g.
attaching a vslider to a [*~]) a simple [lop~] is more than enough (and
rather 'economic')...
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On 03/09/2013 14:06, Mario Mey wrote:
IOhannes, you are right only in these cases:
0 127 0 500
0 300 0 1
...
But, if I need:
50 10 0 500|
(assuming you want to map have 50 mapped to the 'minimum'):
|
[- 10]
|
[t b f]
| /
[- ]
|
[* 12.5]
|
3000 -3000 0.5 0.6
[* -1]
|
[+ 3000]
|
[/
the path.
any idea?
Assuming you're using [textfile], something like this should work
[read ../path_to_file/file.txt(
|
[textfile]
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depending on your scenario...
Lorenzo.
which can be of any type but I don't remember
if that's even possible.. something like [value foo] but that would work
for integer, list, or anything else like for [foo bar 123(
is there a vanilla object for that?
cheers,
y
get involved in that.
I liked it when (v 0.42?) Pd would use jack if it found a jack server
running and just alsa otherwise...
Lorenzo
cheers
Miller
On Mon, Jun 24, 2013 at 11:33:47AM +0200, Ivica Bukvic wrote:
Miller,
I think I solved the hang part in pd-l2ork implementation
on
linux. Since newer macbooks lost the PCI slot, all that I'm missing is
that my thunderbolt to PCI slot adapter works in Linux. That'd be cool,
to run it on my macbook air, on linux... but I digress.
Can't comment on those.
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for [receive~]) in vanilla.
Lorenzo.
inside will only fire after the connections in the parent patch have
finished. (I.e., you'll get broken connections if you save the patch
and open it again.)
You need [initbang] to create the [inlet]s before the parent tries to
make the connections
On 04/02/13 15:48, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:
might also be packaged for Debian/Ubuntu as part of Pure Dyne.
FYI...
http://puredyne-list-now-closed.466513.n3.nabble.com/puredyne-announcement-from-the-Puredyne-developers-td3717873.html
Lorenzo.
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On 02/04/2013 08:02 AM, Pagano, Patrick
)
Lorenzo.
Thank you for your time,
Sebastian
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Hi,
Lorenzo Sutton wrote:
In python use sockets... in Pd use [netreceive] - I'm sure there's
loads of good examples out there and I'm working on some pygtk for a
project (but it's still very very early). Menwhile this is a very
minimal python - Pd
On 23/01/13 10:28, IOhannes m zmoelnig wrote:
On 2013-01-23 10:22, Lorenzo Sutton wrote:
it seems your example is missing the newline (;\n). iirc I've had
a few pd lockups when sending lots of messages from Processing
without the newline.
Good to know, and easy to add to the script
On 23/01/13 12:50, IOhannes m zmoelnig wrote:
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On 23/01/13 10:28, IOhannes m zmoelnig wrote:
On 2013-01-23 10:22, Lorenzo Sutton wrote:
it seems your example is missing the newline (;\n). iirc I've
had
(maybe
not the id explicitly..)?
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mypatch.amplitude etc...
Or even some sort of semantics related to the GUI...
mypatch.hslider.freq .. but this is probably going to far.
As you can see this topic is very thought provoking over here :)
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use [netreceive] - I'm sure there's loads
of good examples out there and I'm working on some pygtk for a project
(but it's still very very early). Menwhile this is a very minimal python
- Pd example
Lorenzo.
Cheers,
Pierre.
2013/1/21 Jonathan Wilkes jancs...@yahoo.com mailto:jancs
have with HTML and
still slowly trying to recover
Of course on the GUI side, I'm not sure there a library out there to
support Pd out of the box, that is sliders aren't enough...Maybe JUCE -
http://www.rawmaterialsoftware.com/juce.php
Lorenzo.
On Fri, Jan 18, 2013 at 5:26 PM, Jonathan
Hi all,
Is/Has anyone (thought of) experimenting with websockets [1] straight to
Pd (that is _without_ intermediate layers... let's say Pd as the 'server').
What would that require? A specific object (external) capable of dealing
with websockets I guess?
Lorenzo.
[1] https
something fascinating, it would be
interesting to find out what modern digital audio compressions (data
such as mp3, ogg etc. can create similar suggetions...)
Lorenzo.
[equilizer~] - but what one? [adaptive/nlms3~]? adaptive_equilization
example which im not sure i would know how to use
remains.
Lorenzo.
PS: totally unrelated: my screencasting with jack capabilities on debian
are basically all broken, (gtk)recordmydesktop with jack is broken since
the beginning of time, avconv (once ffmpeg) is not working since a
while. what did you use for the screencasts
. :/
Sorry for hijacking the thread :)
Lorenzo
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with this?
Attached.
Feel free to modify/adapt/hack :)
Lorenzo.
#N canvas 416 314 266 347 10;
#X obj 60 98 bng 15 250 50 0 empty empty empty 17 7 0 10 -262144 -1
-1;
#X floatatom 19 97 5 0 0 0 - - -;
#X obj 60 47 onoff;
#X obj 19 268 onoff;
#X floatatom 19 292 5 0 0 0 - - -;
#X text 16 151 you can set
.
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personalised version which you think sounds
great :)
Ciao,
Lorenzo.
On Thu, Dec 6, 2012 at 3:55 PM, Simon Iten itensi...@gmail.com
mailto:itensi...@gmail.com wrote:
What are you trying to accomplish?
On Dec 6, 2012 2:48 PM, Alexandros Drymonitis adr...@gmail.com
mailto:adr...@gmail.com
~ has to be 1 / factor...
So for example
[rate~ 1.5]
is [phasor~ 0.67]
Lorenzo.
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On Dec 6, 2012, at 9:24 AM, Alexandros Drymonitis wrote:
Don't think I really follow. Each [rate~] actually outputs a
[phasor~] with a different frequency (different frequency ratio), all
driven
, probably because the .gif images they want are absent. I
have no idea, though what that behaviour comes from.
Lorenzo.
On pd-extended 0.42.5 they are working well..
Something to do??
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On Fri, Nov 23, 2012 at 1:28 PM, Lorenzo Sutton
lorenzofsut...@gmail.com mailto:lorenzofsut...@gmail.com wrote:
On 23/11/12 11:21, Björn Eriksson wrote:
I think one of the reason one might have to be able to play
mp3´s or ogg´s from inside a pd-patch
*need* mp*
mp* are lossy compressed, and unless you have a precise 'aesthetic'
reason to having mpeg-degraded audio quality simply export to a lossless
format.
That said there are probably thousands of converters out there from-to
mp* to anything, google is your friend there.
Lorenzo.
Thank
=55736atid=478070
Indeed also turning DSP off when jack was auto-started by Pditselfscrews
everything up.
The workaround in this case would be to always start jack *before*
starting Pd, then everything seems to behave well.
Lorenzo.
Closing Qjackctl (after some time ubuntu can close that)
pd
that?
Which is not probably not the best way to find concrete advice on a list :)
Lorenzo.
/Björn Eriksson
On Fri, Nov 23, 2012 at 10:51 AM, Lorenzo Sutton
lorenzofsut...@gmail.com mailto:lorenzofsut...@gmail.com wrote:
On 20/11/12 19:04, Òscar Martínez Carmona wrote:
[readsf~] seems
`
- The output should not always be the same number
Something like the attached should do it...
But as someone already pointed out is it really worth it?
Why not just do something like (assuming you have BASH):
echo $[ $RANDOM % 100]
Lorenzo.
#N canvas 560 444 657 443 10;
#X obj 137 -24 loadbang
a startup flag and/or preference (off by default)?
Lorenzo.
my original implementation for alsa-MIDI (which is still used)
autoconnects if only one midi-port is opened it will autoconnect to all
available midi-ports.
this is meant for easy setup (after talking to nando at some lac a while
ago
. But i guess that would be for
more of a backup/portable/transfer disk.
Lorenzo.
reasons, but anyhow: running in user-space means that the
*performance* of the NTFS-access will simply be deplorable. it's
certainly good enough to backup your system or to share data.
but if you want to use
soundcard to that.
I will spear you my rant about the situation of external sound card for
linux laptop users (many electronic musicians IMHO) as it would only be
full of bitterness and frustration.
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Hi the attached should do it...
The version on the right should be more general allowing to specify the
grouping size, and would work with non-necessarily-numeric list.
Lorenzo
On 03/10/12 11:18, Alexandros Drymonitis wrote:
Hi all,
I'm trying to get pairs of two out of a list using two
On 03/10/12 13:32, i go bananas wrote:
nice Lorenzo !
Thanks.. well actually for the float version I think we had the same idea :)
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the structures.. I really should find
the time to dig into them better
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courtesy of iem.
Wow cool, Thanks!
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it probably depends form something (tcl?) in the system, but what?
I tried reinstalling tcl and tk but to no avail.
Help please, I really need Pd in this moment!
Thanks
Lorenzo
[1]
http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detailaid=3434378group_id=55736atid=478070
[2] http://permalink.gmane.org
Well sorry for the noise and answering myself (but it seems this pops up
every now and then so might be good to write it up).
Thanks to Roman who gave me in IRC the right pointer to look further
into network issues...
On 25/09/12 23:17, Lorenzo Sutton wrote:
This seems to be an persisting
beats in a minute, 2 per second, or better one every 0.5
seconds
Generalising:
seconds = 60 / bpm
Or also (probably more useful in Pd related stuff)
milliseconds = 6 / bpm
Lorenzo.
PS: see attached patch for a simple implementation I've often used ;)
cheers
R
job may
include installing and testing alpha-alpha software and report back to
developers...
But I'd assume 'audio' and 'video' machines are always less restricted
(the people working with MACs have full admin on those as well).
Good luck
Lorenzo
in
the repositories but you'd like to compile yourself for some reason.
Lorenzo.
best,
J
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Lorenzo.
I guess I could do this with LibPd, but I'd rather stick to plain Pd
right now if possible.
Cheers,
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+++
| s.rate | seconds |
+++
| 44100 |380.44 |
+++
| 48000 |349.53 |
+++
| 88200 |190.22 |
+++
| 96000 |174.76 |
+++
Hope this helps.
Lorenzo.
[1] See here a thread from
On 24/07/12 12:00, IOhannes m zmoelnig wrote:
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This is a known limitation with [tabread4~] and [tabread~] and pops
up every now and then [1] (it could probably be useful to mention
it in [tabread~] help
It seems down since a few hours also according to
http://www.isup.me/puredata.info
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opinion it would *really* help to know what you're trying
to achieve overall and why you want sample accuracy, unless this is a
purely theoretical question :)
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On 10/07/12 23:00, Pierre Massat wrote:
Here's the link to the post, if you want to listen to the result and
get the patch.
http://guitarextended.wordpress.com/2012/07/10/thehexxciter-detuning-reverb-better/
Nice! (and nice example of collaboration ;)
Lorenzo.
Cheers!
Pierre.
2012/7/10
the opening). Try playing with the parameters and let me know what you
think ;)
Lorenzo.
#N canvas 90 72 972 698 10;
#X obj -14 422 *~;
#X obj 109 359 line~;
#X floatatom 109 177 0 0 0 0 - - -;
#X obj 109 333 pack 0 200;
#X obj 50 253 * 0.001;
#X obj 218 429 line~;
#X obj 218 404 pack 0 200;
#X
Category: pdpedia
Group: v0.40.1
Status: Open
Resolution: None
Priority: 5
Private: No
Submitted By: Nobody/Anonymous (nobody)
Assigned to: Nobody/Anonymous (nobody)
Summary: viagra capsules for women
Wow didn't know Pd could do this as well! :P
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A simple plugin to display an XBM (2 colour black and white) icon in linux.
Can be useful when many canvas windows are open.
Two different icons are provided for the Pd Window and canvas (patch)
windows.
Tested on 0.43-extended on debian.
Available on Gitorious:
-l2ork
not only has color + transparent icon on each window, but as of this
month also supports png images within the patch itself. See k12
announcement from 2 weeks ago for a screenshot.
Thank for the pointer I'll check it out.
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Drawback is that it will auto-connect to all alsa-midi stuff available
in and out (but that happens anyway when you select alsa-midi)
Lorenzo.
Cheers!
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On 12/04/12 21:31, IOhannes m zmölnig wrote:
is the site down?
it only gives me a white page...
Working here..
Lorenzo.
fgmasdr
IOhannes
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in
Pd (make sure DSP is working and use the main toggle to start).
Testing and (constructive) critique are very welcome (please consider
this is very preliminary!!)
Regards,
Lorenzo.
A little background on Antsynth (more details and links in the patch and
future posts):
ANTSynth is a cutting
work on ubuntu? If so how does it perform?
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On 29/03/12 11:13, Roman Haefeli wrote:
On Thu, 2012-03-29 at 10:26 +0200, Olivier Heinry wrote:
Le 29/03/2012 09:52, Lorenzo Sutton a écrit :
Sorry to totally derail this, but...
On 28/03/12 20:02, João Pais wrote:
Hi,
I'm considering to upgrade my old thinkpad R51, with something
lighter
, in similar fashion to gtk for example.
Lorenzo.
.hc
On Mar 19, 2012, at 1:03 PM, Lorenzo Sutton wrote:
As per subject: is there a way to increase the font size of the Tk menus etc
(i.e. not the patch fonts as done in the fonts menu).
On a related note where is the old option to add start-up flags
file?
Thanks,
Lorenzo.
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the array with a [resize( actually corrects the problem here.
So it would seem more of a GOP visualisation bug?
See attached patch.
Lorenzo.
Anybody noticed this in other versions/platforms?
Cheers,
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python to easily sort them
Lorenzo.
Thank you all, this list has been very helpfull to me, and its also
quite entertaining!
Benoît
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be worth trying to convince people
to give Pd a go. And if they really can't avoid using MAX use them
together, say, with OSC etc.
p.s. I would be happy if it was.
eh eh you want to get out of it with vorrei ma non posso :)
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might explore connecting Pd to a sequencer. But of course in this case
the 'all within Pd' parameter falls.
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On 11/03/12 18:59, Jonathan Wilkes wrote:
From: Mathieu Bouchardma...@artengine.ca
To: Jonathan Wilkesjancs...@yahoo.com
Cc: Marco Donnarummade...@thesaddj.com; pd-list@iem.atpd-list@iem.at; i go
bananashard@gmail.com
Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2012 1:17 PM
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Le
in a [=]
instead which basically *is* a threshold... I just thought it would be
nice to point out some float fun given all the discussions :)
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My take attached.
On 10/03/12 19:23, Pagano, Patrick wrote:
HiSaturday, March 10, 2012 1:20 PM
hi
I had a question from a student that wants to do something special with
X/Y values from a motion grid example.
We are getting values from pdp_mgrid with a value of 4 for x and a value
of 4 for y
wheezy basically since XFCE since.
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Or, beware of trying to compare floats with [==] ...
Lorenzo.
#N canvas 457 235 653 545 10;
#X obj 47 134 + 0.1;
#X obj 111 -15 bng 15 250 50 0 empty empty empty 17 7 0 10 -204786
-1 -1;
#X floatatom 12 401 5 0 0 0 - - -;
#X floatatom 70 374 10 0 0 0 - - -;
#X text 49 402 - this will never be 1
It seems that pd-extended (0.43) ignores the .pdextended file in the
home directory or at least a path added via the Preferences menu?
Alternatives (apart from the start-up flag?)
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' section. I guess it would be ok to add stuff embedded from
popular media sites (be it audio, video, image) or submitted by users.
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On 07/03/12 14:27, Marco Donnarumma wrote:
agree!!
should we stick to margin: 0 auto, so to center it, or people is more
left/ish?
I think if you keep the menu on the left, left is better.
on my website the width is 720px and centered, which I find a good
compromise for both laptop and
[thershold~]... Unless I totally misunderstood your scenario.
Lorenzo.
My current solution is quite a CPU hog: The whole table is scanned in
periodic intervals and compared to a reference table, so that any
difference will be caught. Of course, this solution comes with a latency
(it's a trade-off
On 05/03/12 01:43, Mathieu Bouchard wrote:
Le 2012-03-03 à 22:54:00, Lorenzo Sutton a écrit :
You can create a midi output, with all the drawbacks and benefits. As
far as I know there is no lilypond player, but to be totally honest
I'm not sure it would make so much sense as lilypond
On 05/03/12 17:18, Mathieu Bouchard wrote:
Le 2012-03-05 à 09:07:00, Lorenzo Sutton a écrit :
On 05/03/12 01:43, Mathieu Bouchard wrote:
Le 2012-03-03 à 22:54:00, Lorenzo Sutton a écrit :
You can create a midi output, with all the drawbacks and benefits.
As far as I know there is no lilypond
On 05/03/12 20:22, Mathieu Bouchard wrote:
Le 2012-03-05 à 19:58:00, Lorenzo Sutton a écrit :
It can be dangerous/misleading to extract the general rule from one
single, very specific example like this, and then re-apply it to a
totally different domain/example.
Yes, but then, the reasoning
On 03/03/12 22:18, Mathieu Bouchard wrote:
Le 2012-02-28 à 11:42:00, Lorenzo Sutton a écrit :
I think this can be mitigated by using some gui programme which can
then export to lilypond. It does add an additional passage to the
chain but can be useful for editing the music. E.g. I have used
the music. E.g. I have used Rosegarden (which
is mainly a sequencer and has the advantage of playing the music).
Lorenzo.
especially when also rendering a midi-file. I think that learning the
language is not harder than learning to use a GUI-tool. BTW
templates/examples are available online
On 23/02/12 04:24, Mathieu Bouchard wrote:
If that may reassure you... not only Pd has messes of uncooked
spaghetti going under boxes and stuff. And not only dataflow diagrams
have them. This is an example in a data-relational diagram in a
database app :
be detected and
used as
needed via patches.
Any suggestions? Or maybe Miller has an idea of an object or something to add
to the system that could be of use?
It would help to have a little more background and understand the
requirements. pitch detection can be a very broad term...
Lorenzo
Congratulations Marco!
Ciao,
Lorenzo.
On 19/02/12 15:28, Marco Donnarumma wrote:
Dear all,
I'm coming back to Europe in few hours, but wanted to share this news.
http://www.gtcmt.gatech.edu/news/marco-donnarumma’s-xth-sense-named-world’s-most-innovative-new-musical-instrument
thanks
On 20/02/12 04:42, Jonathan Wilkes wrote:
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Sent: Sunday, February 19, 2012 10:12 PM
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(e.g. ALT + F for
fil etc. ) is implemented, which is nice (this is on Debian Linux at least)-
Lorenzo
Roman
On Mon, 2012-02-20 at 07:22 -0800, Aykut Caglayan wrote:
Which platform?
OS X, 10.5.8
how do you do it?
I think it is very clear, anyway, for instance; first I click on
'File
On 16/02/12 16:03, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:
On Feb 15, 2012, at 3:14 AM, Lorenzo Sutton wrote:
On 14/02/12 18:49, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:
On Feb 14, 2012, at 10:17 AM, Lorenzo Sutton wrote:
I know this has probably often been debated but...
I can't seem to understand the logic
On 17/02/2012 20:05, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:
On Feb 17, 2012, at 6:49 AM, Lorenzo Sutton wrote:
On 16/02/12 16:03, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:
On Feb 15, 2012, at 3:14 AM, Lorenzo Sutton wrote:
On 14/02/12 18:49, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:
On Feb 14, 2012, at 10:17 AM, Lorenzo
Thank you! Great news installed it and playing with it. Very good.
Lorenzo.
On 17/02/2012 21:02, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:
http://at.or.at/hans/blog/2012/02/17/new-editing-feature-of-pd-extended-0-43-now-in-beta/
The Pd-extended 0.43 release has been brewing an extra long time, about 18
On 14/02/12 18:49, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:
On Feb 14, 2012, at 10:17 AM, Lorenzo Sutton wrote:
I know this has probably often been debated but...
I can't seem to understand the logic for which [import] fails with an error
e.g.:
[import]: ERROR: can't load library in monlib
use [send $0-tab] objects instead of the [;resize tablename( notation
Lorenzo.
Yes, this is a quite annoying shortcoming of Pd... especially because
if you already are passing something to the messagebox, you have to
add a [pack] and a [loadbang
then be [iemnet/udpsend] etc. having a single [import iemnet osc]
would make much more sense. If it worked.
Lorenzo.
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On 14/02/12 16:32, IOhannes m zmölnig wrote:
On 02/14/12 16:17, Lorenzo Sutton wrote:
I know this has probably often been debated but...
I can't seem to understand the logic for which [import] fails with an
error e.g.:
[import]: ERROR: can't load library in monlib
isn't this called moonlib
/bit).
Probably you could get lower latency by encoding the MIDI directly as
an audio waveform but you'd need to make a hardware circuit to convert
the audio levels to MIDI levels.
Since sound travels about 1 meter in 3ms, it's not all that much latency.
Lorenzo.
Martin
pd for each
file and e.g. put it in a bash script...
for f in *.wav;
do
pd -nogui -noaudio -nomidi -send in_file $f -send out_file
`basename $f .wav`_processed_`date +%Y-%m-%d-%H-%M-%S`.wav -stderr
process.pd
done
Totally untested!
Lorenzo.
cheers
Miller
On Sun, Feb 12, 2012 at 07
On 30/01/12 11:31, Lorenzo Sutton wrote:
On 30/01/12 09:47, Nicola Pandini wrote:
Il 28/01/2012 20:22, IOhannes m zmölnig ha scritto:
On 01/28/12 08:44, Lorenzo Sutton wrote:
Well before reporting a bug I would like to make sure this isn't a
'local' issue. Anyway I'll sure do.
Hi, same
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