Re: [PD] why does PD round numbers? (in tables, in messageboxes, etc)

2012-04-10 Thread katja
. Krzysztof, do you think that MaxMsp uses the same rules for printing numbers in boxes? If so, it could be used as a guideline for Pd as well. Katja ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list

Re: [PD] why does PD round numbers? (in tables, in messageboxes, etc)

2012-04-10 Thread katja
2012/4/10 IOhannes m zmölnig zmoel...@iem.at: On 04/10/12 10:33, katja wrote: i was talking about pd/pd-gui communication (and keep the number format for both saving and pd/gui communication the same). when displaying/updating a table every single number is converted to text using printf

Re: [PD] why does PD round numbers? (in tables, in messageboxes, etc)

2012-04-10 Thread katja
test where transmission over network is more specifically tested. Katja On Tue, Apr 10, 2012 at 7:05 PM, Jonathan Wilkes jancs...@yahoo.com wrote: - Original Message - From: katja katjavet...@gmail.com To: pd-list@iem.at Cc: Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2012 9:45 AM Subject: Re: [PD] why

Re: [PD] why does PD round numbers? (in tables, in messageboxes, etc)

2012-04-09 Thread katja
On Mon, Apr 9, 2012 at 1:23 AM, Matteo Sisti Sette matteosistise...@gmail.com wrote: On 04/08/2012 04:27 PM, katja wrote: I've once compiled (vanilla) Pd with the format specifiers changed to print up to 8 significant digits, and soon found why it is normally done with 6 digits max. You get

Re: [PD] why does PD round numbers? (in tables, in messageboxes, etc)

2012-04-09 Thread katja
2012/4/9 IOhannes m zmölnig zmoel...@iem.at: On 04/09/12 12:39, katja wrote: Doing it better would require a lot of modifications, more than changing some format specifiers. It's a pity we can't see MaxMsp's code, the issues seem to be neatly solved there, like: i haven't looked

Re: [PD] [PD-announce] new GUI obect: filterview, for generating and seeing biquad coefficients

2012-04-09 Thread katja
, on OSX 10.5 and with Pd 0.43, but with filterview version 0.2 the 'stick to the cursor after mouseup problem' seems to be solved for mentioned configuration. Thanks for this wonderful object, Hans and Mike! Katja ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE

Re: [PD] why does PD round numbers? (in tables, in messageboxes, etc)

2012-04-09 Thread katja
. Changing the format in atom_text() did it all, if I remember well. With format %.14lg, that would make a problem for object boxes in the single precision case. Katja ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http

Re: [PD] Virtual Mixer for Telematic Music

2012-04-08 Thread katja
Hello, I remember that some time ago, an elaborate project for mixing over TCP/IP was released, called XmiX. There may be a lot of tricks in it that you can use. See this announcement on Pd forum: http://puredata.hurleur.com/sujet-5114-xmix-announce Katja On Sat, Apr 7, 2012 at 7:57 PM

Re: [PD] why does PD round numbers? (in tables, in messageboxes, etc)

2012-04-08 Thread katja
that it is somehow possible. Katja ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list

Re: [PD] why does PD round numbers? (in tables, in messageboxes, etc)

2012-04-08 Thread katja
. Katja ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list

Re: [PD] Array resize : bug?

2012-03-16 Thread katja
On Fri, Mar 16, 2012 at 10:35 PM, Pierre Massat pimas...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Katja, I confirm this behaviour in windows too. So I understand that the actual number of samples is the same, the only difference being that they all fit within the GOP frame when resized by a message, whereas

Re: [PD] C++ for reusable dsp lib - or better use C?

2012-03-05 Thread katja
for pointing to this library, Rich. This is very informative. Katja ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list

Re: [PD] C++ for reusable dsp lib - or better use C?

2012-03-03 Thread katja
it could be done like this: write a lib in C++ with C++ API, and additionally provide C wrappers for the API functions. Then it's up to the application programmer to use the C wrappers or call C++ functions directly. That seems convenient, apart from other issues as mentioned by Hans and Mathieu. Katja

Re: [PD] C++ for reusable dsp lib - or better use C?

2012-03-03 Thread katja
On Sat, Mar 3, 2012 at 6:40 PM, Mathieu Bouchard ma...@artengine.ca wrote: Le 2012-03-03 à 10:32:00, katja a écrit : If a function is only called from a single location and the function is hidden, then the original function may disappear and become embedded into the wrapper. Now I'm getting

Re: [PD] C++ for reusable dsp lib - or better use C?

2012-03-02 Thread katja
On Wed, Feb 29, 2012 at 9:17 PM, Thomas Grill g...@g.org wrote: Hi Katja, maybe i'm chiming in too late, but i would definitely use C++ programming for whatever i do in the C-world. It's no problem to make the public API (exported functions) C-style then to avoid various hassles

Re: [PD] latest Pd-Extended cpu usage (was: new editing features of Pd-extended 0.43, now in beta)

2012-02-28 Thread katja
don't think Pd can influence these routines, except by not using the adc/dac. CPU load for adc/dac depends on hardware. Using an external audio interface reduces the load. Katja ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http

Re: [PD] latest Pd-Extended cpu usage (was: new editing features of Pd-extended 0.43, now in beta)

2012-02-28 Thread katja
CPU load in the 'idle-but-dsp-on' case. PortAudio functions are apparently statically built into Pd and they consume very little CPU time. Katja ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo

Re: [PD] C++ for reusable dsp lib - or better use C?

2012-02-26 Thread katja
it in [slicerec~], it is a matter of upscaling the principle to more complex interactions. Katja ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list

Re: [PD] C++ for reusable dsp lib - or better use C?

2012-02-25 Thread katja
. Katja ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list

Re: [PD] C++ for reusable dsp lib - or better use C?

2012-02-24 Thread katja
well, and that was not because of all the code typing. Katja ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list

Re: [PD] C++ for reusable dsp lib - or better use C?

2012-02-22 Thread katja
On Wed, Feb 22, 2012 at 1:59 PM, august aug...@alien.mur.at wrote: Hi Katja, You might want to have a look at a language called Vala:        https://live.gnome.org/Vala Thanks for the link, August. Do you happen to use Vala yourself? I'll definitely take a deeper look into it. Katja

Re: [PD] C++ for reusable dsp lib - or better use C?

2012-02-22 Thread katja
, these are good signs. Katja ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list

[PD] C++ for reusable dsp lib - or better use C?

2012-02-21 Thread katja
library. This will be my first. Quite some dsp libs are written in C, even today. Is there good reason to refrain from C++'s conveniences for writing classes, and use C instead? Katja ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http

Re: [PD] C++ for reusable dsp lib - or better use C?

2012-02-21 Thread katja
administration. Fortunately I've time to reflect a bit more on the options, this lib need not be written today or tomorrow. Thanks again for all the advice. Katja ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info

Re: [PD] error: vbap: no method for 'loudspeaker-matrices'

2012-02-16 Thread katja
objects, it seems to work. That is, it gives output values, can't verify if they're correct at first glance. This is in 0.43. Someone doing a project with this library should make new help patches, really. Katja ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list

Re: [PD] error: vbap: no method for 'loudspeaker-matrices'

2012-02-15 Thread katja
in vbap-help. So maybe you can replace symbol 'loudspeaker-matrices' from [define_loudspeakers] with symbol 'define_loudspeakers' using some tricks from the list-abs library? Katja ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http

Re: [PD] error: vbap: no method for 'loudspeaker-matrices'

2012-02-15 Thread katja
-20111221.app/Contents/Resources/extra/vbap/ls_setup And when you bang [define_loudspeakers]: vbap: no method for 'loudspeaker-matrices' But! The file ls_setup is in ggee/other (in svn, that is). Katja ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE

Re: [PD] error: vbap: no method for 'loudspeaker-matrices'

2012-02-14 Thread katja
the method is not recognized. Possibly because the method expects a Symbol argument as well. From the help patches I can't understand what it really needs. The C-code speaks of 'lsset', loudspeaker set I assume. Katja ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE

[PD] IPPASS finds missing fundamentals

2012-01-31 Thread katja
tracking or another field of signal analysis? And another question: does anyone have ideas to improve stability and accuracy of a signal segment with it's phases forced to zero? It suffers from the usual boundary effects, which must be reduced to a practical minimum. Katja

Re: [PD] linux install advice please

2012-01-12 Thread katja
it is better when they come to the workshop with Pd installed and tested. Katja ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list

Re: [PD] [tabwrite4~], is it possible at all?

2012-01-10 Thread katja
so in circular buffer mode. Not the simplest of Pd classes, but it's at least worth a try. Katja ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list

Re: [PD] [tabwrite4~], is it possible at all?

2012-01-09 Thread katja
efficient. If it makes sense at all. Katja ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list

Re: [PD] Running Pd on a tiny (and cheap) computer

2012-01-08 Thread katja
times slower than a laptop, I would say. Katja ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list

Re: [PD] pdx+bonk~

2011-12-27 Thread katja
=478070). It is fixed, at least for OSX10.5 i386, where both [sqrt~] and [bonk~] work in the latest autobuild (20111221). Which builds did you check? Katja ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info

Re: [PD] pdx+bonk~

2011-12-25 Thread katja
Hello Patrice, Can you check if [sqrt~] works in the releases where [bonk~] doesn't work? [bonk~] uses the same optimized sqrt code, and there has been something wrong with that recently. Katja On Sun, Dec 25, 2011 at 10:26 PM, Patrice Colet colet.patr...@free.fr wrote: Hello,  I couldn't

Re: [PD] Windows nightly builds are back

2011-12-15 Thread katja
build log it seems there's a problem with packaging. Katja ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list

Re: [PD] Windows nightly builds are back

2011-12-14 Thread katja
a decent fix. MinGW build system issues complicate the work, that is why it takes so long. Katja ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list

Re: [PD] integer (mis)calculator

2011-12-09 Thread katja
On Thu, Dec 8, 2011 at 1:06 PM, Eduardo Flores Abad m...@eduardoflores.de wrote: Hi Katja, tries to round this way: 100 * (7.1 - 7)   / 100  =  0.1 Did you try that, Eduardo? In Pd, you get: 100 * (7.1 - 7) / 100 = 0.099 But: ((100 * 7.1) - (100 * 7)) / 100 = 0.1 Or: ((10 * 7.1

Re: [PD] [spectrogram~] won't show anything

2011-12-09 Thread katja
is ignored without warning. Two more buglets to be reported and fixed... Katja ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list

Re: [PD] integer (mis)calculator

2011-12-08 Thread katja
this IEEE 754 Converter if you want to check the rounding of a single precision float: http://www.h-schmidt.net/FloatApplet/IEEE754.html Katja ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list

Re: [PD] [spectrogram~] won't show anything

2011-12-08 Thread katja
. This bug in [sqrt~] was reported on the list some time ago. It is in nightly builds of Pd-extended 0.43.1. There is a bug report on the bugtracker. Consider adding a comment there with the build details. http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detailaid=3442082group_id=55736atid=478070 Katja

Re: [PD] get method for Pd

2011-11-17 Thread katja
[; pd get float-precision rcv-name( sends float-precision $ to rcv-name (expressed as 8*sizeof(t_float)) [; pd get pd-path rcv-name( sends pd-path path/to/pd to rcv-name Katja ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http

Re: [PD] get method for Pd

2011-11-17 Thread katja
On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 2:43 AM, Jonathan Wilkes jancs...@yahoo.com wrote: I made a patch awhile back that added a get method to pd And considering the set method, which is now implicit like in [; pd dsp 1(, it would be nice to have: [; pd samplerate samplerate( Katja

Re: [PD] get method for Pd

2011-11-17 Thread katja
would then give an error message which you can catch. For local info you'd have another object, for example [this] for the window, (like MaxMsp has [thispatcher]). Katja ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http

Re: [PD] get method for Pd

2011-11-17 Thread katja
it is! This makes my day. (And I've not even seen half of it, because pd crashes at the 'edit demo-abstraction', that's maybe because I patched pd version test5.) Good thing you bumped this topic. Katja ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management

Re: [PD] how to capture window-related mouse-events when toxy is discontinued?

2011-11-09 Thread katja
' is there (login, post #5), with animated pictogram buttons, toggles and xy-controls in a Gem window. It gives a nice impression of possibilities. Katja ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd

Re: [PD] how to capture window-related mouse-events when toxy is discontinued?

2011-11-04 Thread katja
trying to pick a polygon's minuscule corner with a mouse. Katja ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list

Re: [PD] Interruption of audio / Loading sound into array

2011-11-04 Thread katja
~]-in-an-upsampled-patch' trick. But, like Charles pointed out, it is not trivial to find an optimum. I agree Pd should better do this in C. Katja ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list

Re: [PD] Interruption of audio / Loading sound into array

2011-11-04 Thread katja
of reviving (parts of) it, who knows. Katja ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list

[PD] Interruption of audio / Loading sound into array

2011-11-04 Thread katja
-- Forwarded message -- From: katja katjavet...@gmail.com Date: Fri, Nov 4, 2011 at 7:06 PM Subject: Re: [PD] Interruption of audio / Loading sound into array To: pd-...@iem.at On Fri, Nov 4, 2011 at 5:21 PM, Mathieu Bouchard ma...@artengine.ca wrote: I don't find anything

Re: [PD] how to capture window-related mouse-events when toxy is discontinued?

2011-11-03 Thread katja
, particularly on Windows. Thanks for sharing the idea though, it is inspiring. Katja ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list

Re: [PD] [PD-dev] help compiling pd 0.43 on Windows 7

2011-11-02 Thread katja
portaudio file was reported to be missing. Next time I'll get a fresh copy of the source and compare. Katja ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list

[PD] how to capture window-related mouse-events when toxy is discontinued?

2011-11-02 Thread katja
a 0.43-compatible version as soon as possible. Any help to find a window-related mouse-capturing method, working in 0.42 and 0.43 alike, is very much appreciated. Katja ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http

Re: [PD] how to capture window-related mouse-events when toxy is discontinued?

2011-11-02 Thread katja
to [receivecanvas], and even more thanks for providing these useful classes. Katja ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list

Re: [PD] how to capture window-related mouse-events when toxy is discontinued?

2011-11-02 Thread katja
. Katja. ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list

Re: [PD] how to capture window-related mouse-events when toxy is discontinued?

2011-11-02 Thread katja
hacky than my moving radiobuttons. Do you use it in practice, as GUI elements? It is very heavy on cpu. Katja ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list

[PD] [PD-announce] LoadbangRotterdam, new monthly patching circle starting November 5, 2011

2011-10-28 Thread katja
. LoadbangRotterdam #1 Saturday November 5, 2011 15.00 - 18.00 WORM Boomgaardsstraat 71 Rotterdam, Holland WORM: http://www.worm.org/ LoadbangRotterdam #1: http://www.worm.org/home/view/event/206 Katja ___ Pd-announce mailing list pd-annou...@iem.at

Re: [PD] maximum array display size 2000 points?

2011-10-24 Thread katja
to the combination of array size and X-size. Katja ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list

Re: [PD] Analyzing subharmonic frequencies accurately

2011-10-19 Thread katja
this is theoretical digression. Katja ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list

Re: [PD] Analyzing subharmonic frequencies accurately

2011-10-18 Thread katja
, which could otherwise spoil analysis results. Such filtering can be done in frequency domain, using FFT again. Be sure to use 4 times overlap and Hann windowing before FFT and after IFFT. Katja ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account

Re: [PD] Analyzing subharmonic frequencies accurately

2011-10-17 Thread katja
that the latency of your info will also be 3 seconds then. Katja On Mon, Oct 17, 2011 at 11:24 PM, Samuel Burt composer.samuel.b...@gmail.com wrote: A friend of mine asked me if I could make some kind of filter that could provide information about subharmonic frequencies. I wasn't quite sure what

[PD] [soundtouch~] pitch shifter for Pure Data

2011-09-23 Thread katja
, you can download Olli Parviainen's SoundStretch utility, which processes soundfiles in batch mode. See: http://www.surina.net/soundtouch/ You'll very probably notice the same shivering effect as in soundtouch~-help.pd. This is inherent to time domain time stretching / pitch shifting. Katja

Re: [PD] obscuring voices while maintaining intelligibility

2011-09-21 Thread katja
. If your scrambler would modulate the modulation frequency continuously, with a noise signal, speech is still intelligible, but descrambling in the above described way would no longer be possible, as you can't find a harmonic recipe from a one sample fourier transform. Katja

Re: [PD] [soundtouch~] pitch shifter for Pure Data

2011-09-20 Thread katja
in the help patch. I'll change that as well, later. Katja On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 5:53 AM, Hans-Christoph Steiner h...@at.or.atwrote: On Sep 19, 2011, at 7:38 PM, katja wrote: Tried to load [soundtouch~] in vanilla Pd on Debian and indeed the same error was shown about undefined symbol _Znaj

[PD] [soundtouch~] pitch shifter for Pure Data

2011-09-19 Thread katja
On Fri, Sep 16, 2011 at 6:52 PM, Hans-Christoph Steiner h...@at.or.atwrote: hey Katja, I am trying your soundtouch~ on Ubuntu/Maverick. First I tried the included binary, then I built it from source. Both ways I got this: soundtouch~.pd_linux: soundtouch~.pd_linux: undefined symbol: _Znaj

Re: [PD] [soundtouch~] pitch shifter for Pure Data

2011-09-19 Thread katja
announcement. But I expect to report very soon, with vanilla Pd for 99% working correctly in double precision. Katja ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list

[PD] [soundtouch~] pitch shifter for Pure Data

2011-08-21 Thread katja
what you think about it. If [soundtouch~] is considered a useful addition to existing Pd methods for pitch shifting, it may be worth the effort to try and solve the clicks-vs-latency issue. It is not a trivial task though.This time I'm not promising anything. Katja

Re: [PD] [soundtouch~] pitch shifter for Pure Data

2011-08-21 Thread katja
2011/8/21 András Murányi muran...@gmail.com wrote: That's an easy fix: you can get access to the 64-bit Ubuntu and the 64-bit OSX boxes of PdLab Thanks for offering, I'll send you my key. Katja ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account

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