Re: [PD] DIY GSoC: getting those projects done

2009-03-26 Thread Jonathan Wilkes
--- On Wed, 3/25/09, Mathieu Bouchard ma...@artengine.ca wrote: From: Mathieu Bouchard ma...@artengine.ca Subject: Re: [PD] DIY GSoC: getting those projects done To: Chris McCormick ch...@mccormick.cx Cc: Pd List pd-list@iem.at Date: Wednesday, March 25, 2009, 6:01 PM On Mon, 23 Mar

Re: [PD] DIY GSoC: getting those projects done

2009-03-26 Thread Mathieu Bouchard
On Thu, 26 Mar 2009, Jonathan Wilkes wrote: --- On Wed, 3/25/09, Mathieu Bouchard ma...@artengine.ca wrote: I mean, what do you do with a language that has no builtin [demux] (that's called an if-else anywhere else) Does [expr~ if ( $f2 == 0, $v1, 0 ); etc.] fill that role? When processing

Re: [PD] DIY GSoC: getting those projects done

2009-03-26 Thread Frank Barknecht
Hallo, Mathieu Bouchard hat gesagt: // Mathieu Bouchard wrote: The if-else statements require a pair of [spigot]s and a [==]. A bit shorter, less effective and because of list-conversion not fully transparent, but still handy is this idiom: [list prepend 0] | [route 0 1] Send 0 and 1 to

Re: [PD] DIY GSoC: getting those projects done

2009-03-26 Thread Mathieu Bouchard
On Thu, 26 Mar 2009, Frank Barknecht wrote: A bit shorter, less effective and because of list-conversion not fully transparent, but still handy is this idiom: [list prepend 0] | [route 0 1] Send 0 and 1 to the prepend's right inlet to switch outlets. It becomes more useful with more choices.

Re: [PD] DIY GSoC: getting those projects done

2009-03-25 Thread Mathieu Bouchard
On Mon, 23 Mar 2009, Chris McCormick wrote: IIRC, one of their complaints from last year was that our application had too many parts. Next time we should pick just one or two specific tasks and go with them. Maybe with a community vote or whatever. Also, I hate to be cynical, but I can't see

Re: [PD] DIY GSoC: getting those projects done

2009-03-25 Thread Mathieu Bouchard
On Tue, 24 Mar 2009, dmotd wrote: or perhaps a company that relies so heavily on string manipulation considered pd useless? ;) Yeah. It doesn't even have to be deliberate. A search engine company will be populated by the kind of computer programmers who are very very string-centric. Those

Re: [PD] DIY GSoC: getting those projects done

2009-03-25 Thread error developer
i bet if we icluded 'musical data mining' or such thing in there ..we'd win ;) however may be no one will ever get far with this - it's seems to be that kindda target that is set by them for groups to research on and never get far out and be too occupid .. eh.. whatever, might them hear this,

Re: [PD] DIY GSoC: getting those projects done

2009-03-25 Thread error developer
hm .. i think it's not appropriate to compare pd to programmng languges we do call it a languge, but it's rather more corect to call it like and visual engeneering environment whch hase a set of object or something like that, if you could at least compile them into some sort of binaries - that

Re: [PD] DIY GSoC: getting those projects done

2009-03-25 Thread Mathieu Bouchard
On Wed, 25 Mar 2009, error developer wrote: i think it's not appropriate to compare pd to programmng languges I believe that even if we try to refrain to compare pd to programming languages, and refrain from calling it a programming language, it still will be compared to programming

Re: [PD] DIY GSoC: getting those projects done

2009-03-23 Thread Chris McCormick
Yo, IIRC, one of their complaints from last year was that our application had too many parts. Next time we should pick just one or two specific tasks and go with them. Maybe with a community vote or whatever. Also, I hate to be cynical, but I can't see any way even remotely in which Google could

Re: [PD] DIY GSoC: getting those projects done

2009-03-23 Thread Andy Farnell
On Mon, 23 Mar 2009 13:03:55 + Chris McCormick ch...@mccormick.cx wrote: Also, I hate to be cynical, but I can't see any way even remotely in which Google could use Pd to make a profit. ;) Profit aside, you can make a fundamental partition in computing between forward looking systems

Re: [PD] DIY GSoC: getting those projects done

2009-03-23 Thread dmotd
hmm.. now i would have thought that with google investing a great many resources into mobile technology, ie. their first real attempt at killing off the competition (apple) with their phone architecture (android), and with the relative success of rjdj for the (apple) iphone, they would be

Re: [PD] DIY GSoC: getting those projects done

2009-03-23 Thread martin.peach
padawan12 wrote: Chris McCormick wrote: Also, I hate to be cynical, but I can't see any way even remotely in which Google could use Pd to make a profit. ;) Profit aside, you can make a fundamental partition in computing between forward looking systems (predictive, generative,

Re: [PD] DIY GSoC: getting those projects done

2009-03-22 Thread Hans-Christoph Steiner
That is indeed true. I suppose it wouldn't hurt to nag google, and it might even help. But I don't think it would change this year's outcome. I think the key to getting a grant like this is to know what they are looking for and tailor the grant to that. It would be useful if someone

Re: [PD] DIY GSoC: getting those projects done

2009-03-20 Thread Rich E
Of course it would be nice to do the projects regardless of funding, but in reality they just won't get the same attention to detail and thoroughness. I don't have a job except through grants like this.. I'm still all for making apython libpd module... but who knows when summer rolls around and

[PD] DIY GSoC: getting those projects done

2009-03-19 Thread Hans-Christoph Steiner
So now we have a nice collection of projects sketched out from the GSoC application, let's encourage people to take them on. If anyone wants to get involved with Pd development, take a look at the project ideas and if you are interested, then ask about them on the list and we can get

Re: [PD] DIY GSoC: getting those projects done

2009-03-19 Thread Kyle Klipowicz
Aaaw Fooey! ~Kyle On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 6:08 AM, Hans-Christoph Steiner h...@eds.orgwrote: So now we have a nice collection of projects sketched out from the GSoC application, let's encourage people to take them on. If anyone wants to get involved with Pd development, take a look at