Re: [PD] Hi, new user. Question about max/msp and PD

2010-09-14 Thread Lorenzo
Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: [cut] Oh, and instead of [transport] just use a metro with a [cut] It's also that it's more marketable if they add rather trivial features just so that they can say «Max 5 has more features about time scale !». It's easier than to explain to them that Max

Re: [PD] Hi, new user. Question about max/msp and PD

2010-09-14 Thread Bernardo Barros
If someone contribute to a really cool, pretty and performance-friendly GUI side for PureData, Max would become pretty much irrelevant now. 2010/9/14 Lorenzo lsut...@libero.it:  Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: [cut] Oh, and instead of [transport] just use a metro with a [cut] It's also

Re: [PD] Hi, new user. Question about max/msp and PD

2010-09-14 Thread Husk 00
On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 3:36 PM, Bernardo Barros bernardobarr...@gmail.comwrote: If someone contribute to a really cool, pretty and performance-friendly GUI side for PureData, Max would become pretty much irrelevant now. The problem is what can be considered cool? Is Max 5's gui cool? maybe

Re: [PD] Hi, new user. Question about max/msp and PD

2010-09-14 Thread Mathieu Bouchard
On Tue, 14 Sep 2010, Lorenzo wrote: Actually... I'm more and more thinking that maybe the best approach There is no best approach. There are several good ones, with upsides and downsides. GrIPD is already a remarkable tool, but imho we should probably explore further a paradigm of Pd as

Re: [PD] Hi, new user. Question about max/msp and PD

2010-09-14 Thread Hans-Christoph Steiner
I am betting that it is not someone but many people who will do this. That's why there is a GUI plugin interface in 0.43, so we can have many people experimenting and developing ideas for how a dataflow GUI should be. http://puredata.info/docs/PdGuiPluginsAPI .hc On Sep 14, 2010, at

Re: [PD] Hi, new user. Question about max/msp and PD

2010-09-13 Thread Jose Luis Santorcuato
Jones, there are plenty of examples, if you go to help find helpful browser, there are libraries that help you work in bars, or other music stuff, even with a more nice interface, I recommend the library moonlib, Help / browser / reference/moonlib and Help/browser/ reference/Unauthorized library

Re: [PD] Hi, new user. Question about max/msp and PD

2010-09-13 Thread Frank Barknecht
Hi, On Mon, Sep 13, 2010 at 02:50:26AM -0300, jm jones wrote: One new thing in Max 5 is traditional musical time values, and new transport capabilities. Is something like that available in PD (working without milliseconds as measure)? Maybe it can be done in a simple way in pd, but Im a

Re: [PD] Hi, new user. Question about max/msp and PD

2010-09-13 Thread Mathieu Bouchard
On Mon, 13 Sep 2010, jm jones wrote: Thanks for the links and the feedback. These days Im playing a lot with PD I like it. Even though you're not into video, you can benefit from using GridFlow. It's a generic tool in pretty much the same way that Jitter can be used for non-video too.

Re: [PD] Hi, new user. Question about max/msp and PD

2010-09-13 Thread Mathieu Bouchard
On Mon, 13 Sep 2010, Frank Barknecht wrote: Oh, and instead of [transport] just use a metro with a counter sending to some global receiver. Read from this with [select] to get a kind of Max-5's [timepoint] clone. See, there's no magic behind these new Max 5 features, they just unified a bit

Re: [PD] Hi, new user. Question about max/msp and PD

2010-09-13 Thread Mathieu Bouchard
On Mon, 13 Sep 2010, Mathieu Bouchard wrote: On Mon, 13 Sep 2010, Frank Barknecht wrote: Oh, and instead of [transport] just use a metro with a counter sending to some global receiver. Read from this with [select] to get a kind of Max-5's [timepoint] clone. See, there's no magic behind these

Re: [PD] Hi, new user. Question about max/msp and PD

2010-09-13 Thread Jonathan Wilkes
--- On Mon, 9/13/10, Mathieu Bouchard ma...@artengine.ca wrote: From: Mathieu Bouchard ma...@artengine.ca Subject: Re: [PD] Hi, new user. Question about max/msp and PD To: Frank Barknecht f...@footils.org Cc: pd-list@iem.at Date: Monday, September 13, 2010, 5:19 PM On Mon, 13 Sep 2010

Re: [PD] Hi, new user. Question about max/msp and PD

2010-09-13 Thread Hans-Christoph Steiner
On Mon, 2010-09-13 at 09:46 -0700, Jonathan Wilkes wrote: --- On Mon, 9/13/10, Mathieu Bouchard ma...@artengine.ca wrote: From: Mathieu Bouchard ma...@artengine.ca Subject: Re: [PD] Hi, new user. Question about max/msp and PD To: Frank Barknecht f...@footils.org Cc: pd-list@iem.at

Re: [PD] Hi, new user. Question about max/msp and PD

2010-09-13 Thread Michal Seta
On Fri, Sep 10, 2010 at 11:15 PM, Simon Wise simonzw...@gmail.com wrote: On 11/09/10 08:05, jm jones wrote: I like the free-software nature of PD, but besides that, I want to know the pros and cons of the two environments. 1/ If you need *extremely* low latency, and are prepared to put in

Re: [PD] Hi, new user. Question about max/msp and PD

2010-09-13 Thread Jonathan Wilkes
--- On Mon, 9/13/10, Hans-Christoph Steiner h...@at.or.at wrote: From: Hans-Christoph Steiner h...@at.or.at Subject: Re: [PD] Hi, new user. Question about max/msp and PD To: Jonathan Wilkes jancs...@yahoo.com Cc: Frank Barknecht f...@footils.org, Mathieu Bouchard ma...@artengine.ca, pd

Re: [PD] Hi, new user. Question about max/msp and PD

2010-09-12 Thread Jonathan Wilkes
--- On Sat, 9/11/10, Simon Wise simonzw...@gmail.com wrote: From: Simon Wise simonzw...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [PD] Hi, new user. Question about max/msp and PD To: pd-list@iem.at Date: Saturday, September 11, 2010, 5:15 AM On 11/09/10 08:05, jm jones wrote: I like the free-software

Re: [PD] Hi, new user. Question about max/msp and PD

2010-09-12 Thread Jose Luis Santorcuato
which pd forum are you talking about ? +1 José 2010/9/10 Mathieu Bouchard ma...@artengine.ca On Fri, 10 Sep 2010, jm jones wrote: Max forums seems more active than the pd, I hope this list is more active : ) which pd forum are you talking about ?

Re: [PD] Hi, new user. Question about max/msp and PD

2010-09-12 Thread mik
Jose Luis Santorcuato schreef: which pd forum are you talking about ? +1 Probably this one: http://puredata.hurleur.com/ m ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list

Re: [PD] Hi, new user. Question about max/msp and PD

2010-09-12 Thread Jose Luis Santorcuato
This is certainly news, well I write to the list, is a good place to share and ask ... Welcome and good luck! Bienvenido! José 2010/9/12 mik mpr...@skynet.be Jose Luis Santorcuato schreef: which pd forum are you talking about ? +1 Probably this one: http://puredata.hurleur.com/ m

Re: [PD] Hi, new user. Question about max/msp and PD

2010-09-12 Thread Jose Luis Santorcuato
Hahahaha, ok... was for Jones... Anyway you can find material on the website of Miller, I think there are also a couple of books probably in torrents. Cyrille papers are good and the Hangar, also Mathieu, jobs Gem introductory course are not music, but will open doors. I leave you greetings and

Re: [PD] Hi, new user. Question about max/msp and PD

2010-09-12 Thread jm jones
2010/9/11 Marco Donnarumma de...@thesaddj.com: Hi Juan, regarding resources, please find here my personal collection of Pd on-line resources: http://www.delicious.com/MarcoD2/bundle:PureData The right sidebar shows all Pd tags. Hope that helps, Best, Im not interested in video, only

Re: [PD] Hi, new user. Question about max/msp and PD

2010-09-11 Thread Marco Donnarumma
Hi Juan, regarding resources, please find here my personal collection of Pd on-line resources: http://www.delicious.com/MarcoD2/bundle:PureData The right sidebar shows all Pd tags. Hope that helps, Best, Im not interested in video, only music and sound. What about resources (patches,

Re: [PD] Hi, new user. Question about max/msp and PD

2010-09-11 Thread Damian Stewart
On 11 Sep 2010, at 12:00, Juan Manuel Jones wrote: I like the free-software nature of PD, but besides that, I want to know the pros and cons of the two environments. Max is prettier and with more GUI, but is really more easy to learn? Im not interested in video, only music and sound. What

[PD] Hi, new user. Question about max/msp and PD

2010-09-10 Thread jm jones
Hi, Im learning PD-Max/msp. Im trying both, and seems that learning one helps learn the other. I like the free-software nature of PD, but besides that, I want to know the pros and cons of the two environments. Max is prettier and with more GUI, but is really more easy to learn? Im not interested

Re: [PD] Hi, new user. Question about max/msp and PD

2010-09-10 Thread Mathieu Bouchard
On Fri, 10 Sep 2010, jm jones wrote: Max forums seems more active than the pd, I hope this list is more active : ) which pd forum are you talking about ? ___ | Mathieu Bouchard -- Villeray,

Re: [PD] Hi, new user. Question about max/msp and PD

2010-09-10 Thread Ricardo Lameiro
you can also join the #dataflow channel on the IRC network @ irc.freenode.net, to talk realtime. you have a lot of resources for pd. for instance at puredata.info, but also others around the web. 2010/9/10 Mathieu Bouchard ma...@artengine.ca On Fri, 10 Sep 2010, jm jones wrote: Max forums

Re: [PD] Hi, new user. Question about max/msp and PD

2010-09-10 Thread Ricardo Lameiro
you can also join the #dataflow channel on the IRC network @ irc.freenode.net, to talk realtime. you have a lot of resources for pd. for instance at puredata.info, but also others around the web. 2010/9/10 jm jones juan...@gmail.com Hi, Im learning PD-Max/msp. Im trying both, and seems that

Re: [PD] Hi, new user. Question about max/msp and PD

2010-09-10 Thread jm jones
2010/9/10 Ricardo Lameiro ricardolame...@gmail.com you can also join the #dataflow channel on the IRC network @ irc.freenode.net, to talk realtime. you have a lot of resources for pd. for instance at puredata.info, but also others around the web. Thanks for the answers. Im reading loadbang

Re: [PD] Hi, new user. Question about max/msp and PD

2010-09-10 Thread Simon Wise
On 11/09/10 08:05, jm jones wrote: I like the free-software nature of PD, but besides that, I want to know the pros and cons of the two environments. 1/ If you need *extremely* low latency, and are prepared to put in the effort required to tweak and maintain your system carefully, then you