Jose Luis Santorcuato wrote:
Dear friends... in the last weeks i stay trying install percolate
library... i can put the externals and run Pd, but when i like startup
path or open the prefernces the PD dont respond... the preferences panel
no open...midi... audio...
no idea, but i guess it
dmotd wrote:
i'm just looking at the license now and i'm not sure
that this is acutally a problem.. looks like an open
style license.. not for resale, non-commerical
educaton use only, must credit authors and distribute
license.
which sounds incompatible with GPL (which is what PdX is
IOhannes m zmoelnig wrote:
dmotd wrote:
i'm just looking at the license now and i'm not sure that this is
acutally a problem.. looks like an open style license.. not for resale,
non-commerical educaton use only, must credit authors and distribute
license.
which sounds incompatible with
Hi Folk, is an excellent new, well this afternoon i will try to compile in
my barbie netbook... ubuntu... i post the mission.
Thanks for each one reply this post
Best regards from Chile
José
2009/9/28 dmotd inaudi...@simplesuperlativ.es
IOhannes m zmoelnig wrote:
dmotd wrote:
i'm just
On Sep 28, 2009, at 4:00 AM, dmotd wrote:
IOhannes m zmoelnig wrote:
dmotd wrote:
i'm just looking at the license now and i'm not sure that this is
acutally a problem.. looks like an open style license.. not for
resale,
non-commerical educaton use only, must credit authors and distribute
?
On Sep 26, 2009, at 18:12, pd-list-requ...@iem.at wrote:
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 2009 05:29:53 -0700 (PDT)
From: mark edward grimm mgr...@syr.edu
Subject: Re: [PD] Percolate
To: pd-list@iem.at
Message-ID: 358216.94182...@web32407
On Mon, 28 Sep 2009, dmotd wrote:
i'm just looking at the license now and i'm not sure that this is
acutally a problem.. looks like an open style license.. not for resale,
non-commerical educaton use only, must credit authors and distribute
license.
GPL forbids any clauses about
Subject: Re: [PD] Percolate
To: rene beekman r...@raakvlak.net, Hans-Christoph Steiner
h...@at.or.at
Cc: pd-list@iem.at
Date: Saturday, September 26, 2009, 12:21 PM
Or including it in Pd-extended!?!
~Kyle
On Sat, Sep 26, 2009 at 11:08 AM,
rene beekman r...@raakvlak.net
wrote
: Re: [PD] Percolate
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h...@at.or.at
Cc: pd-list@iem.at
Date: Saturday, September 26, 2009, 12:21 PM
Or including it in Pd-extended!?!
~Kyle
On Sat, Sep 26, 2009 at 11:08 AM,
rene beekman r...@raakvlak.net
wrote:
I stand
:)
Rene
BTW Mark, have you thought about dropping the Percolate developers a
note to ask them to update their links?
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From: mark edward grimm mgr...@syr.edu
Subject: Re: [PD] Percolate
To: pd
: Sat, 26 Sep 2009 05:29:53 -0700 (PDT)
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So it seems that right now you have two options; find a way
to do
:
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Subject: Re: [PD] Percolate
To: rene beekman r...@raakvlak.net, Hans-Christoph Steiner
h...@at.or.at
Cc: pd-list@iem.at
Date: Saturday, September 26, 2009, 12:21 PM
Or including it in Pd
: [PD] Percolate
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Dear friends, well i am working with music and arduino and i need
the old
library percolate... with objects like a bamboo
/PeRColate-OSX-Intel-10.5.zip
i have the sources + xcode project somewhere I think... i would have to look
around...
mark
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Subject: Re: [PD] Percolate
To: pd-list@iem.at
Date: Saturday
, at 18:12, pd-list-requ...@iem.at wrote:
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 2009 05:29:53 -0700 (PDT)
From: mark edward grimm mgr...@syr.edu
Subject: Re: [PD] Percolate
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So it seems that right now
you thought about dropping the Percolate developers a note
to ask them to update their links?
On Sep 26, 2009, at 18:12, pd-list-requ...@iem.at wrote:
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 2009 05:29:53 -0700 (PDT)
From: mark edward grimm mgr...@syr.edu
Subject: Re: [PD] Percolate
To: pd-list@iem.at
Message
...@gmail.com
Subject: Re: [PD] Percolate
To: rene beekman r...@raakvlak.net, Hans-Christoph Steiner
h...@at.or.at
Cc: pd-list@iem.at
Date: Saturday, September 26, 2009, 12:21 PM
Or including it in Pd-extended!?!
~Kyle
On Sat, Sep 26, 2009 at 11:08 AM,
rene beekman r...@raakvlak.net
wrote:
I
Dear friends, well i am working with music and arduino and i need the old
library percolate... with objects like a bamboo~, marimba~ etc...
Can yours help me...
Thanks a lot
José
--
http://www.chilemigra.cl
http://arselectronicachile.blogspot.com
http://www.myspace.com/santorcuato
Well, of course, I did search before I asked. I still could not find
it. That's when I turned to this list.
Thanks for your time,
Mitch
On Dec 10, 2008, at 11:55 PM, hard off wrote:
search the pd forum, someone posted a .zip of it a while back i think.
you searched the pd forum, and you didn't find 'percolate' ?? i can't
believe that.
you will have to login to be able to download the .zip files. they are
about 4 posts down this thread:
http://puredata.hurleur.com/sujet-619-port-percolate
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I was able to get Percolate working on a MacBookPro running OS 10.5.5
and Pd-Extended 0.40.3. The way I was able to do this involved
compiling from source. The required a few steps outlined below.
I'm not absolutely sure my changes are the best way to do things. But
it worked so I
One note on this, it would be much better to put the files into ~/
Library/Pd or /Library/Pd than into the Pd-extended.app. That way
percolate will still be there after you upgrade.
.hc
On Dec 11, 2008, at 6:15 PM, Mitchell Turner wrote:
John,
I was able to get Percolate working on a
That's an excellent idea. Thanks, I'll do it.
Mitch
On Dec 11, 2008, at 6:56 PM, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:
One note on this, it would be much better to put the files into ~/
Library/Pd or /Library/Pd than into the Pd-extended.app. That way
percolate will still be there after you
Hi Mitchell, list,
I also compiled percolate on my Mac today, and it was a lovely
experience. One thing I did differently, that some people may find
useful: Rather than removing the windows section from the makefile, I
specified Mac like this:
$ make pd_darwin
btw, I looked at your
Dear all,
Sorry if this has been discussed ad nauseam, but I've googled
everything I can think of and have not been able to find Percolate for
Pd.
Does anyone know if there is a working version of the Percolate
objects for Pd? I'm using Pd-Extended (0.40.3) on OSX (10.5.5).
Thanks in
search the pd forum, someone posted a .zip of it a while back i think.
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Hallo,
marius schebella hat gesagt: // marius schebella wrote:
I think the project is now maintained by guenter geiger and goes under
the name stk.
STK is a library written by Perry Cook, Gary P. Scavone and probably
others at CCRMA: http://ccrma.stanford.edu/software/stk/
It includes some
frank, as so often I have to say thanks for the clarification. i have to
commit that my answer was more than vague...
marius.
Frank Barknecht wrote:
Hallo,
marius schebella hat gesagt: // marius schebella wrote:
I think the project is now maintained by guenter geiger and goes under
the
IOhannes m zmoelnig schreef:
not quite true.
(i'd say it is an anglo-centristic viewpoint ;-))
after all, in anglo-american space we have to deal with copyright
whereas in continental europe we still have the urheberrecht which is
something really different.
copyright is the english
On Mar 8, 2007, at 6:27 PM, David Powers wrote:
On 3/8/07, Thomas Grill [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Am 09.03.2007 um 00:03 schrieb Tim Blechmann:
although i don't really like this clause, the following
description is
quite clear:
http://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl-faq.html#GPLPluginsInNF
I
On Fri, 2007-03-09 at 19:52 +0100, mik wrote:
copyright is the english (language) equivalent of urheberrecht. there's
no difference.
there is a difference in concept, it is not just a translation. read
more on http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copyright .
roman
Hallo,
Hans-Christoph Steiner hat gesagt: // Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:
On Mar 8, 2007, at 6:27 PM, David Powers wrote:
Not to mention, that the GPL has never been rigorously tested in a
court of law. At least in the United States, such matters are in
something of a legal limbo, until
I don't think copyright is the same as urheberrecht. I would rather
compare it to authorship. the copyright goes always to the owner. for
example, when you work for a big Pd company and your boss says, write a
pd patch for that exhibition, than you would be the author, but since
that would be
yes, okay, urheberrecht seems to be a particular case, only applicable
in germany. but on the whole most national copyright laws are very
alike, since most countries have signed the convention of berne, and
have the concept of moral rights, ie rights which never can be
transferred. what you
To be pedantic, the French droit d'auteur is very similar to
urheberrecht, so there are other countries with different systems. I
think we are basically on the same page. For the average person
there is basically no noticeable difference between these systems,
it's really just a
On Mar 11, 2007, at 12:19 PM, Frank Barknecht wrote:
Hallo,
Hans-Christoph Steiner hat gesagt: // Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:
On Mar 8, 2007, at 6:27 PM, David Powers wrote:
Not to mention, that the GPL has never been rigorously tested in a
court of law. At least in the United States,
Hans-Christoph Steiner schreef:
To be pedantic, the French droit d'auteur is very similar to
urheberrecht, so there are other countries with different systems. I
think we are basically on the same page. For the average person there
is basically no noticeable difference between these
Any progress on this so far or a response from the authors about
modifying licensing? Just checking - I have enjoyed reading about
copyrights but I was just wondering the status of this. Maybe it's
too soon to ask though.
Thanks,
Kevin
On 3/6/07, Ivica Ico Bukvic [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:
will be major differences between the anglo-american and the european
way. (and other ways too, but about these i know even less)
I think that they are not as big as you'd guess because there are
international treaties that are all about making these laws work
Chris McCormick wrote:
What does it mean if they violate the GPL and do so anyway? What does it
mean for people who use the software?
the problem is, that asking this questions is not as simple (i think,
being no lawyer myself).
it is rather:
what does it mean to ... in the US? what does it
ola,
It would be good to find out what the legal status of code
that is illegally licensed. We've had this issue before with the
not-for-military-use clause that Yves added to his software, rendering
it technically illegal. A lawyer could tell us if it's a) in legal limbo
land where nobody is
sad, but you're absolutely right.
marius.
Yves Degoyon wrote:
ola,
It would be good to find out what the legal status of code
that is illegally licensed. We've had this issue before with the
not-for-military-use clause that Yves added to his software, rendering
it technically illegal. A
I think this is what is called selective perception. Nobody said that
it's generally illegal, like nothing is.
all the best, Thomas
marius schebella schrieb:
sad, but you're absolutely right.
marius.
Yves Degoyon wrote:
ola,
It would be good to find out what the legal status of
I wanted to say it is sad, that law does never cover all possibilities,
and sometimes even protects illegal behavior.
marius.
Thomas Grill wrote:
I think this is what is called selective perception. Nobody said that
it's generally illegal, like nothing is.
all the best, Thomas
marius
Is Flext based externals, which need be GPL externals, violating the
GPL when used as Max/MSP externals? If so, and if the GPL is not
violated when using the Flext based externals with Pd, then it makes
sense in my head to distinguish between binary and source wrt
violation against
On Thu, 2007-03-08 at 23:37 +0100, Thomas Grill wrote:
Is Flext based externals, which need be GPL externals, violating the
GPL when used as Max/MSP externals? If so, and if the GPL is not
violated when using the Flext based externals with Pd, then it makes
sense in my head to
Am 09.03.2007 um 00:03 schrieb Tim Blechmann:
On Thu, 2007-03-08 at 23:37 +0100, Thomas Grill wrote:
Is Flext based externals, which need be GPL externals, violating the
GPL when used as Max/MSP externals? If so, and if the GPL is not
violated when using the Flext based externals with Pd,
On Mar 8, 2007, at 5:14 AM, IOhannes m zmoelnig wrote:
Chris McCormick wrote:
What does it mean if they violate the GPL and do so anyway? What
does it
mean for people who use the software?
the problem is, that asking this questions is not as simple (i think,
being no lawyer myself).
On 3/8/07, Thomas Grill [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Am 09.03.2007 um 00:03 schrieb Tim Blechmann:
although i don't really like this clause, the following description is
quite clear:
http://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl-faq.html#GPLPluginsInNF
I knew about this one, but i don't think that this
On Mar 8, 2007, at 6:16 PM, Thomas Grill wrote:
Am 09.03.2007 um 00:03 schrieb Tim Blechmann:
On Thu, 2007-03-08 at 23:37 +0100, Thomas Grill wrote:
Is Flext based externals, which need be GPL externals, violating
the
GPL when used as Max/MSP externals? If so, and if the GPL is not
Hallo,
Thomas Grill hat gesagt: // Thomas Grill wrote:
Am 09.03.2007 um 00:03 schrieb Tim Blechmann:
although i don't really like this clause, the following description is
quite clear:
http://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl-faq.html#GPLPluginsInNF
I knew about this one, but i don't think that
Hallo,
Ivica Ico Bukvic hat gesagt: // Ivica Ico Bukvic wrote:
Well I am educational only currently so no problem there.
That's not the problem. The problem is, that the current Percolate
license is not a free software license. Non-free licenses are
incompatible with the GPL, which flext uses.
That's not the problem. The problem is, that the current Percolate
license is not a free software license. Non-free licenses are
incompatible with the GPL, which flext uses. By distributing a version
of Percolate externals using their current license built with
GPL-flext you would be
Hallo,
Ivica Ico Bukvic hat gesagt: // Ivica Ico Bukvic wrote:
That's not the problem. The problem is, that the current Percolate
license is not a free software license. Non-free licenses are
incompatible with the GPL, which flext uses. By distributing a version
of Percolate externals
Isn't it convenient that having a severely convoluted and complicated
system of law ensures the existence of the profession for those whom
practice it?
~Kyle
On 3/7/07, Ivica Ico Bukvic [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I'm not a lawyer, but as I understand it, source or binary doesn't
matter: As
Question:
Although I'm naive on all this stuff, maybe this question will help
the plot to thicken:
If STK is incompatible with GPL, how is it that ChucK, which is GPL
software, is able to include ports of all Perry Cook's STK stuff???
And if it works for them, I don't see why it can't be done for
Hallo,
David Powers hat gesagt: // David Powers wrote:
Although I'm naive on all this stuff, maybe this question will help
the plot to thicken:
If STK is incompatible with GPL, how is it that ChucK, which is GPL
software, is able to include ports of all Perry Cook's STK stuff???
And if it
On Wed, Mar 07, 2007 at 03:42:33PM +0100, Frank Barknecht wrote:
Hallo,
Ivica Ico Bukvic hat gesagt: // Ivica Ico Bukvic wrote:
That's not the problem. The problem is, that the current Percolate
license is not a free software license. Non-free licenses are
incompatible with the GPL,
Chris McCormick wrote:
It would be good to find out what the legal status of code
that is illegally licensed.
the default is that software is copyright protected. and the owner has
the exclusive right to reproduce, sell, license it.
there are some exceptions to this rule, but I think not in
On Wed, Mar 07, 2007 at 11:36:11PM -0500, marius schebella wrote:
Chris McCormick wrote:
It would be good to find out what the legal status of code
that is illegally licensed.
the default is that software is copyright protected. and the owner has
the exclusive right to reproduce, sell,
Hallo!
I think (if my memory's not confused) that's actually the crux of it,
something about the licensing doesn't permit it to be in CVS?
http://lists.puredata.info/pipermail/pd-list/2005-11/032777.html
Okay, I have the source now ...
But I can't see license problems (but I am not really
Hallo!
Objection! (Phoenix Wright)
This license is non-open-source in that it does not allow any
commercial use. We must not have this in the CVS.
Okay - but what is then e.g. Qt: it is open source (GPL) but when you
use it in commercial products you need a commercial licence ...
LG
Georg
Frank Barknecht wrote:
So if there are no objections I will add it the CVS ...
Objection! (Phoenix Wright)
This license is non-open-source in that it does not allow any
commercial use. We must not have this in the CVS.
i am not sure whether sourceforge forbids to put a code that is
Hallo,
Georg Holzmann hat gesagt: // Georg Holzmann wrote:
Objection! (Phoenix Wright)
This license is non-open-source in that it does not allow any
commercial use. We must not have this in the CVS.
Okay - but what is then e.g. Qt: it is open source (GPL) but when you
use it in
Thanks for all the replies on this topic.
I'll try compiling the old verison, or I might just do some hacking
myself, at least on the STK objects I need.
Cheers,
Steve
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Hallo!
Just to clear the smoke a bit more that is created by the word
commercial: Everything that is included in a Linux distribution,
which can be bought for money - like Redhat or Novell/Suse and even
Debian -, then becomes commercial software: the Linux kernel, MySQL,
Apache, Audacity,
Hallo,
Stephen Sinclair hat gesagt: // Stephen Sinclair wrote:
Thanks for all the replies on this topic.
I'll try compiling the old verison, or I might just do some hacking
myself, at least on the STK objects I need.
STK also is available through some ggee externals in
Hi all,
Given the recent discussion, here's some ahead notice (FWIW). I am currently
working with my GTA on completing the port of the munger~ object which is a
part of the Percolate lib but is also broken in the old Pd port. The port is
flext-based which will allow the original author to
Hallo,
Ivica Ico Bukvic hat gesagt: // Ivica Ico Bukvic wrote:
Given the recent discussion, here's some ahead notice (FWIW). I am currently
working with my GTA on completing the port of the munger~ object which is a
part of the Percolate lib but is also broken in the old Pd port. The port is
, 2007 5:51 PM
To: Ivica Ico Bukvic; PD-list@iem.at; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [PD] Percolate
This is encouraging, as munger~ is really the object I want to use the
most. My opinion is keep going even if we don't figure out the
licensing right away. I'm just starting to realize what
This is encouraging, as munger~ is really the object I want to use the
most. My opinion is keep going even if we don't figure out the
licensing right away. I'm just starting to realize what a conundrum
licensing could be.
Has anyone considered contacting the original authors and requesting
GPL
Hallo,
Ivica Ico Bukvic hat gesagt: // Ivica Ico Bukvic wrote:
I know Dan very well, he's a really cool guy. Luke less so, however. FWIW, I
can ask him to see if he would not mind altering license a bit to allow its
inclusion in the pd cvs.
Oh, please try! Having percolate's non-STK objects
I didn't check, but isn't munger~ licensed with the no commercial,
educational only clause? If yes, then you might run into legal
trouble because flext is GPL and the two licenses would be way
incompatible.
Hi Frank,
Well I am educational only currently so no problem there. Apart from that
I
I know Dan very well, he's a really cool guy. Luke less so, however. FWIW,
I just realized how awkward this sounded. Sorry all, especially my sincere
apologies to Luke if he is reading this. obligatory excuseMy proofreading
has gone down the drain since I began averaging 30+ e-mails a
Oh, please try! Having percolate's non-STK objects available would be
so lovely. I'm sure it's not in their intention to keep percolate from
being used in open source projects just because of a hairy license
issue, but they are the only ones who could do something about it.
BTW, the latest
Does anyone know if there is still a Pd version of PeRcolate available?
It seems it hasn't been kept alive..
(At least the web site,
http://www.akustische-kunst.org/puredata/percolate/, seems to be
down.)
Thanks,
Steve
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I don't use Fedora, but I suppose I could use the source package from there.
Maybe there is a debianized version out there, I'll take a look.
Steve
On 3/5/07, Spencer Russell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
It seems that you can download RPMs of percolate at
I exchanged emails with Olaf Matthes and he said that he is no longer
doing Pd-related projects, but that someone could take the Max source
and port it to Pd again.
Some of those objects (munger~ in particular) are really great.
Kevin
On 3/5/07, Stephen Sinclair [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Does
It seems that you can download RPMs of percolate at
http://ccrma.stanford.edu/planetccrma/software/pdworld.html#SECTION00063700
spencer
On 3/5/07, Stephen Sinclair [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Does anyone know if there is still a Pd version of PeRcolate available?
It seems it hasn't
Hallo!
I exchanged emails with Olaf Matthes and he said that he is no longer
doing Pd-related projects, but that someone could take the Max source
and port it to Pd again.
Yes, I also talked with Olaf last year and he said, that he doesn't
program for pd anymore and removed all his websides
But maybe someone still has the code on his computer ? Then we could put
it into cvs ...
I think (if my memory's not confused) that's actually the crux of it,
something about the licensing doesn't permit it to be in CVS?
http://lists.puredata.info/pipermail/pd-list/2005-11/032777.html
Someone
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