Le 2011-11-09 à 20:53:00, Hans-Christoph Steiner a écrit :
On Nov 9, 2011, at 2:44 PM, Mathieu Bouchard wrote:
You mean that each [tkzinc] object would be a TkCanvas-like widget embedded
inside of the TkCanvas that would still be used ?
It wouldn't solve the problem that people are talking
Le 2011-11-05 à 09:50:00, Jonathan Wilkes a écrit :
I haven't worked much with the -nogui flag, but what's wrong with sending a
[size 20( message to [tgl] in nogui mode? I don't see an error message.
It's not «wrong», it's just that Toxy implements only the
t_widgetbehavior/sys_vgui part of
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Le 2011-11-09 à 12:39:00, Hans-Christoph Steiner a écrit :
That's what TkZinc is: a Tk canvas written to use OpenGL.
http://www.tkzinc.org
In 2007, Chun wanted to look into TkZinc. I came up with the idea of a
compatibility layout class, so that TkZinc could become a drop-in
replacement for
Le 2011-11-09 à 09:33:00, Jonathan Wilkes a écrit :
Similarly: If a 2D geo in a gem window is the most efficient way to draw
an object, why not just make canvases be opengl windows?
Are we comparing percentages with an equivalent 2-D GEO ? E.g. a
radiobutton that has n=8 needs between 9 and
On Nov 9, 2011, at 12:54 PM, Mathieu Bouchard wrote:
Le 2011-11-09 à 12:39:00, Hans-Christoph Steiner a écrit :
That's what TkZinc is: a Tk canvas written to use OpenGL.
http://www.tkzinc.org
In 2007, Chun wanted to look into TkZinc. I came up with the idea of a
compatibility layout
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Le 2011-11-09 à 14:01:00, Hans-Christoph Steiner a écrit :
ANother idea is to make a [tkzinc] object that allows people to make all
sorts of GUI objects in Pd that are built on top of TkZinc's OpenGL.
You mean that each [tkzinc] object would be a TkCanvas-like widget
embedded inside of the
Le 2011-11-09 à 11:10:00, Jonathan Wilkes a écrit :
In katja's demo the radiobutton had n=1, so I guess it's just two
rectangles.
How useful and typical is a radiobutton with n=1 ?
The demo ought to have something realistic to it.
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On Wed, Nov 9, 2011 at 7:00 PM, Mathieu Bouchard ma...@artengine.ca wrote:
Are we comparing percentages with an equivalent 2-D GEO ? E.g. a radiobutton
that has n=8 needs between 9 and 12 canvas items. This has to translate to
between 9 and 12 GEM Geos. How many geos were used in the GEM test
Le 2011-11-09 à 12:40:00, Jonathan Wilkes a écrit :
How useful and typical is a radiobutton with n=1 ?
Getting user input by dragging a rectangle is very useful and typical.
(See [cnv] help.)
But does that work outside of [cnv], and does that work with
radiobuttons ?
Anyway, I think that
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Le 2011-11-09 à 15:39:00, Jonathan Wilkes a écrit :
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(why does it always look like you click «Forward» to do a reply ?)
But does that work outside of [cnv], and does that work with radiobuttons ?
If by that you mean
Le 2011-11-09 à 21:57:00, katja a écrit :
How many geos doesn't seem to matter much. A 'Gem gui object' could for
example be a draggable geo with a texture, or a set of 5 geo's moving
together when dragged. The cpu load caused by dragging is the same in
both cases.
It's like that whenever
On Nov 9, 2011, at 2:44 PM, Mathieu Bouchard wrote:
Le 2011-11-09 à 14:01:00, Hans-Christoph Steiner a écrit :
ANother idea is to make a [tkzinc] object that allows people to make all
sorts of GUI objects in Pd that are built on top of TkZinc's OpenGL.
You mean that each [tkzinc] object
Le 2011-11-02 à 08:19:00, Jonathan Wilkes a écrit :
One thing is that any GUI objects created with [widget] cease to pass
messages when the containing window gets unmapped.
Is that a problem...? What problem does that cause ?
Anyway, Pd does weird things with unmapped window... It deletes
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Le 2011-11-05 à 08:20:00, Jonathan Wilkes a écrit :
Well, if you threw a [tgl] into a subpatch or abstraction, got the
object chain that it's in working, then closed that window and the [tgl]
no longer passes messages, it is extremely likely that your patch will
no longer work.
Ok, you mean
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I imagine if this were changed to tag the entire scalar and move it by
tag,
it would improve the performance quite a bit.
that would be a revolution :)
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On Fri, Nov 4, 2011 at 3:46 AM, Jonathan Wilkes jancs...@yahoo.com wrote:
Oh, wow-- lines, polygons, and text of scalars get deleted and recreated
every time they
get moved. This is what gets sent to the GUI for every motion event when
dragging a
scalar (in run mode here):
.x291cf70.c
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Le 2011-11-04 à 07:37:00, Jonathan Wilkes a écrit :
Functionally there is no difference between altering a polygon's shape
and the way I am moving it.
In Tk, to change the coordinates of a canvas-item, you don't have to
delete it and recreate it. There's always a canvas-method named « coords
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Le 2011-11-04 à 10:37:00, Jonathan Wilkes a écrit :
It seems like it does redraw stuff between the delete and create for a
scalar with enough canvas items associated with it. For example, if you
make a ds array where each element is a little 10x10 rectangle and plot
it with an array size
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How does the cpu usage in my demo!
compare
to your patch where
you use
On Thu, Nov 3, 2011 at 1:30 AM, Jonathan Wilkes jancs...@yahoo.com wrote:
How does the cpu usage in my demo compare to your patch where you use
a radiobutton?
Here's a cpu load comparison of objects dragged continuously (on intel
mac 2GHz):
polygon in movable_box2.pd: 23 %
polygon in
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How does the cpu usage in my demo compare to your patch where you use
a radiobutton
an example, but don't have any time for now.
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I doubt that Tcl/Tk's drawing code
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I doubt that Tcl/Tk's drawing code is being overloaded. Instead
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I doubt that Tcl/Tk's drawing code is being overloaded. Instead, try
running path/to/pd -stderr -d 3 and you'll see that 'pd
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Hello,
It happens to be the case that mouse-event capturing as done by
[toxy/tot] is crucial to my Pd performance setups. The object gives xy
positions relative to a window, not to the screen(s). These
coordinates are used to move GUI's around on a large xy-field, like a
multiple-control Kaoss
Le 2011-11-02 à 15:24:00, katja a écrit :
It happens to be the case that mouse-event capturing as done by
[toxy/tot] is crucial to my Pd performance setups. The object gives xy
positions relative to a window, not to the screen(s).
http://gridflow.ca/help/gf/mouse_spy-help.html
The toxy lib
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Hello,
It happens to be the case that mouse-event capturing as done by
[toxy/tot] is crucial to my Pd performance setups.
iemguts' [receivecanvas] might help you.
fgmasdr
IOhannes
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Le 2011-11-02 à 15:24:00, katja a écrit :
It happens to be the case that mouse-event capturing as done by
[toxy/tot] is crucial to my Pd performance setups. The object gives xy
positions relative to a window, not to the screen(s).
On Nov 2, 2011, at 10:24 AM, katja wrote:
Hello,
It happens to be the case that mouse-event capturing as done by
[toxy/tot] is crucial to my Pd performance setups. The object gives xy
positions relative to a window, not to the screen(s). These
coordinates are used to move GUI's around on
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Hello,
It happens to be the case that mouse-event capturing as done
The toxy lib is discontinued in Pd-extended 0.43. Tried to find an
alternative, asked on the Pd forum. No solution so far. I explored gem
for GUI purposes, but this introduces even more dependencies.
Data-structures seem an option at first sight, but can not provide
large reactive area's (only
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Well, instead of whole polygon I should say all the visualizations
associated with
a scalar. In edit mode you'll get a bounding box around the scalar and
you can drag
it just as any pd object. The [struct] outlet will notify you with a
displace msg when you
do this, and you can use the
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On 2011-11-02 18:45, katja wrote:
Wow, so many answers in so short time. Thank you all.
To clarify, the moving squares in the video are sliders and / or
radiobuttons, and they are moved in runtime. Attached is a patch
demonstrating the idea,
On Wed, Nov 2, 2011 at 6:54 PM, IOhannes m zmoelnig zmoel...@iem.at wrote:
I never knew about the existence of [iemguts/receivecanvas].
It has no helpfile. I'd be happy to make one though. Hopefully the iem
libs will stay a bit longer than toxy, though they're now categorized
as 'unsupported,
On Nov 2, 2011, at 4:15 PM, katja wrote:
On Wed, Nov 2, 2011 at 6:54 PM, IOhannes m zmoelnig zmoel...@iem.at wrote:
I never knew about the existence of [iemguts/receivecanvas].
It has no helpfile. I'd be happy to make one though. Hopefully the iem
libs will stay a bit longer than toxy,
Update: replaced [toxy/tot] with [iemguts/receivecanvas] in various
patches, it is indeed the perfect alternative for capturing
mouse-events. Even messages 'motion', 'mouse' and 'mouseup' are
identical.
Hans, it could also be used in [hcs/mouse_region], which currently
does not work in 0.43.
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Wow, so many answers in so short time. Thank you all.
To clarify
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The attached allows the 50x30 polygon to be click-dragged anywhere
within the polygon-- basically ds hotspots happen in a 10x10 quadrant within
the polygon when an x/y pair is specified with a field variable, so I'm
forcing
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