Re: [PD] newbie growing pains...

2007-03-01 Thread Hans-Christoph Steiner
On Feb 25, 2007, at 3:01 AM, carmen wrote: On Sun Feb 25, 2007 at 01:51:33AM -0500, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: On Feb 20, 2007, at 9:14 PM, Derek Holzer wrote: Hi Jared, for what it's worth, I've been working with PD for years and I still can't read most other people's patches ;-)

Re: [PD] newbie growing pains...

2007-02-27 Thread Steffen
On 27/02/2007, at 14.37, padawan12 wrote: I had so much joy discovering things like g-canvas, vdn~ and xplay~ From where is vdn~ ? I can't just find it: $ pwd /path/to/cvsroot/externals $ grep -iR vdn * Binary file dfx/original/polarizer-source.sit matches Binary file

Re: [PD] newbie growing pains...

2007-02-27 Thread Frank Barknecht
Hallo, Steffen hat gesagt: // Steffen wrote: On 27/02/2007, at 14.37, padawan12 wrote: I had so much joy discovering things like g-canvas, vdn~ and xplay~ From where is vdn~ ? I can't just find it: I guess it's a typo and Andy wanted to write [fdn~] from Creb. Ciao -- Frank

Re: [PD] newbie growing pains...

2007-02-27 Thread Derek Holzer
There's a lot of very useful stuff in the Xjimmies abstractions in terms of readymade utilities and effects for newbies to use/take apart/remodel/etc. http://www.tot.sat.qc.ca/eng/nslam.html And yes, [fdn~] is very cool too... d. padawan12 wrote: But it's not either/or with Pd cos it's

Re: [PD] newbie growing pains...

2007-02-27 Thread Kyle Klipowicz
Ooh I have not seen this before, thanks for sharing! ~Kyle On 2/27/07, Derek Holzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There's a lot of very useful stuff in the Xjimmies abstractions in terms of readymade utilities and effects for newbies to use/take apart/remodel/etc.

Re: [PD] newbie growing pains...

2007-02-27 Thread Steffen
On 27/02/2007, at 12.21, Frank Barknecht wrote: Hallo, Steffen hat gesagt: // Steffen wrote: On 27/02/2007, at 14.37, padawan12 wrote: I had so much joy discovering things like g-canvas, vdn~ and xplay~ From where is vdn~ ? I can't just find it: I guess it's a typo and Andy wanted

Re: [PD] newbie growing pains...

2007-02-26 Thread padawan12
On Sun, 25 Feb 2007 02:50:55 -0500 Chuckk Hubbard [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Vanilla Pd is so low-level it's like working on the microsound level the whole time. A good thing for a composer to experience I reckon, at least for a while. Improved understanding micro level gives an automatic

Re: [PD] newbie growing pains...

2007-02-25 Thread carmen
On Sun Feb 25, 2007 at 01:51:33AM -0500, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: On Feb 20, 2007, at 9:14 PM, Derek Holzer wrote: Hi Jared, for what it's worth, I've been working with PD for years and I still can't read most other people's patches ;-) Everybody has their own style, their

Re: [PD] newbie growing pains...

2007-02-25 Thread Chuckk Hubbard
On 2/20/07, Derek Holzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Jared, for what it's worth, I've been working with PD for years and I still can't read most other people's patches ;-) Everybody has their own style, their own handwriting, and some are more readable than others. Diving right into

Re: [PD] newbie growing pains...

2007-02-25 Thread Chuckk Hubbard
On 2/25/07, carmen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun Feb 25, 2007 at 01:51:33AM -0500, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: On Feb 20, 2007, at 9:14 PM, Derek Holzer wrote: Hi Jared, for what it's worth, I've been working with PD for years and I still can't read most other people's

Re: [PD] newbie growing pains...

2007-02-24 Thread Hans-Christoph Steiner
On Feb 20, 2007, at 9:14 PM, Derek Holzer wrote: Hi Jared, for what it's worth, I've been working with PD for years and I still can't read most other people's patches ;-) Everybody has their own style, their own handwriting, and some are more readable than others. Diving right into

Re: [PD] newbie growing pains...

2007-02-21 Thread Kyle Klipowicz
That's very sound advice, Darek! I followed(/am following) a very similar trajectory. What I'd add to that: Above all, don't think that you need to only use Pd for everything. It's a great tool, but can bog you down from truly creating things if you are stuck reinventing the wheel every time you

[PD] newbie growing pains...

2007-02-20 Thread jared
Hello list. I'm having problems getting PD running comfortably. The easiest way, in my opinion, for someone trying to learn PD is to open existing patches that are similar, or use the same objects, as the patch they are trying to build. I've been quite frustrated because it seems that most of

Re: [PD] newbie growing pains...

2007-02-20 Thread Frank Barknecht
Hallo, jared hat gesagt: // jared wrote: I'm having problems getting PD running comfortably. The easiest way, in my opinion, for someone trying to learn PD is to open existing patches that are similar, or use the same objects, as the patch they are trying to build. I've been quite

Re: [PD] newbie growing pains...

2007-02-20 Thread jared
No offense, but IMO a beginner should first get comfortable with the builtin objects. Setting up plain Pd should be easy. No offense taken. You're definitely right, especially if we're talking about someone who doesn't have any patching experience with PD/Max. Personally though, I've