altern wrote:
hi
The uni i am collaborating with has an engineer that did a image
analisys tool on C couple of years ago. Now they want to port parts of
it to PD creating an external. The engineer that does the job is
checking the documentation about externals but he was getting some
Thomas Grill wrote:
There must be other externals using proxy inlets, probably zexy or other
iem-based stuff.
right: e.g. zexy's [mulitplex] (aka [mux]) uses proxy-inlets.
there are 2 reasons why it is not in the externals-howto:
#1 it would have complicated the howto needlessly
#2 when i
Hallo!
Thanks I looked at that but it wasn't clear to me how I could connect to
an external server such as
http://xmlrpc-c.sourceforge.net/api.sample.php with this. Do I need to
run a python script along with the patch? Is there a help file some
where?
Well, there is an help pach: look in
On Sun, 2007-12-09 at 21:47 -0500, Mathieu Bouchard wrote:
On Sun, 9 Dec 2007, Jamie Bullock wrote:
Then I persuaded him that passing the queries as a list to the inlet
would be more flexible. It also greatly reduces the number of objects
required to send a query, if you have more than
On Sun, 2007-12-09 at 16:47 -0500, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:
The addcomma, addsemi, adddollar messages are a workaround, for
sure, but yeah, I suppose a more pd-ish one. I think that if SQL
gets submitted only on the right/cold inlet, then we would not need
those messages. They
On Mon, 2007-12-10 at 09:27 +0100, IOhannes m zmoelnig wrote:
altern wrote:
hi
The uni i am collaborating with has an engineer that did a image
analisys tool on C couple of years ago. Now they want to port parts of
it to PD creating an external. The engineer that does the job is
Hallo,
Thomas Grill hat gesagt: // Thomas Grill wrote:
it's unfortunate that you are not thrilled using flext.
Since flext uses the PD api to get lists or other messages into
secondary inlets there's nothing to stop you from doing the same in
psql. The magic words are proxy objects which
Frank Barknecht schrieb:
But as
everyone knows that I don't really understand why a DB external has to
be a C/C++ external, I'll better be quiet now. ;)
Right. Over and out
gr~~~
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Hi,
I have tried to change graph-on-parents settings by message for
displaying different arrays, it seems to work..
I did'nt test it with large tables.
(included patch : switchingGOPtables.pd).
Jean Yves Gratius http://jy.gratius.free.fr
Chuckk Hubbard a crit :
On Dec 9, 2007 10:50
Mike McGonagle schrieb:
On 12/9/07, *Thomas Grill* [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
Mike McGonagle schrieb:
I know and it has been on my todo list for a long time. The point is
that it hasn't made it to the top of this list since i don't need it.
On the
Thanks for posting this Chris...it is quite a loss.
2007/12/10, Chris McCormick [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
Hi,
I haven't seen anyone post on the list about this, so I thought I'd
mention it.
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/12/08/arts/music/08stockhausen-1.html?_r=1ref=obituariesoref=slogin
Best,
Sad news,
This is worth reading and it ties into recent discussions on this list.
http://www.music.princeton.edu/~ckk/smmt/scientific.commentary.2.html
Of course he will always be remembered as an avant garde composer,
but much of Stockhausens greatness is missed by artists who saw him as
a
On Dec 9, 2007, at 8:27 PM, Mathieu Bouchard wrote:
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Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2007 20:23:16 -0500 (EST)
From: Mathieu Bouchard [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Mike McGonagle [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [PD] [psql] object hand-holding
On Sun, 9 Dec 2007, Mike
On Dec 9, 2007, at 9:41 PM, Mathieu Bouchard wrote:
On Sat, 8 Dec 2007, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:
I'm not a big fan of [expr]'s syntax since it is custom syntax
that is not used anywhere else in Pd.
A precedent has to start somewhere :)
I believe that the goal is to make an
On Dec 10, 2007, at 6:14 AM, Thomas Grill wrote:
Frank Barknecht schrieb:
But as
everyone knows that I don't really understand why a DB external
has to
be a C/C++ external, I'll better be quiet now. ;)
Right. Over and out
Basically, only C and Pd externals have proven easy to manage.
So guys, I will get back to you after the 18th, when we`ll have a meeting here,
then I will have some stuff to say... I am about to move to Sao Paulo and maybe
get into the doctorate at the State University of sao Paulo, which is
interested in sediating and supporting the event.
Any great
On Dec 10, 2007 2:40 AM, IOhannes m zmoelnig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Thomas Grill wrote:
There must be other externals using proxy inlets, probably zexy or other
iem-based stuff.
right: e.g. zexy's [mulitplex] (aka [mux]) uses proxy-inlets.
there are 2 reasons why it is not in the
On Dec 10, 2007, at 6:47 AM, Thomas Grill wrote:
Mike McGonagle schrieb:
On 12/9/07, *Thomas Grill* [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
Mike McGonagle schrieb:
I know and it has been on my todo list for a long time. The
point is
that it hasn't made it to
On Dec 10, 2007 3:21 AM, Jamie Bullock [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Sun, 2007-12-09 at 21:47 -0500, Mathieu Bouchard wrote:
On Sun, 9 Dec 2007, Jamie Bullock wrote:
Then I persuaded him that passing the queries as a list to the inlet
would be more flexible. It also greatly reduces the
On Dec 9, 2007, at 9:53 PM, Mathieu Bouchard wrote:
On Sun, 9 Dec 2007, Mike McGonagle wrote:
Well, this is not something that is within reach of many people.
We need to understand not just PD's internals, but how flext uses
them, and we also need to know how to integrate these things
Hans, I still have yet to learn about the WIKI stuff, but I posted a Inlet
Proxy example on my page ( http://puredata.info/Members/mjmogo ). I don't
know if you want to just put a link, or move the file to the Proxy page you
created, either way works for me.
Thanks,
Mike
On Dec 10, 2007 10:05
Hello everyone,
Over the weekend, I was given a huge lesson in both PD and humility...
Anyway, what this is is an example of how to create an inlet proxy object to
handle arbitrary list input on a cold right inlet. It is something that was
extracted from the 'x_list.c' source, and generalized to
Hallo,
Hans-Christoph Steiner hat gesagt: // Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:
On Dec 10, 2007, at 6:14 AM, Thomas Grill wrote:
Frank Barknecht schrieb:
But as
everyone knows that I don't really understand why a DB external
has to
be a C/C++ external, I'll better be quiet now. ;)
On Dec 10, 2007, at 4:21 AM, Jamie Bullock wrote:
On Sun, 2007-12-09 at 21:47 -0500, Mathieu Bouchard wrote:
On Sun, 9 Dec 2007, Jamie Bullock wrote:
Then I persuaded him that passing the queries as a list to the inlet
would be more flexible. It also greatly reduces the number of
objects
Frank Barknecht wrote:
Hallo,
Hans-Christoph Steiner hat gesagt: // Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:
On Dec 10, 2007, at 6:14 AM, Thomas Grill wrote:
Frank Barknecht schrieb:
But as
everyone knows that I don't really understand why a DB external
has to
be a C/C++ external, I'll better
On Mon, 10 Dec 2007, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:
Too often reducing effort is equated with typing shortcuts and things along
that line. I think putting everything into the [psql] object box is version
of this. Things are a bigger concerns in the push to reduce effort are:
- reducing bugs!
On Mon, 10 Dec 2007, Jamie Bullock wrote:
The way you are suggesting always requires at least 2 objects per query:
an object to build the query and a message to send it.
I assumed that there would always be one variable part per query, so that
there's always a float or symbol or list coming
Hallo,
Claude Heiland-Allen hat gesagt: // Claude Heiland-Allen wrote:
Not quite as easy as abstractions - you still have to restart Pd.
Well, yes. But still the lua loader allows users to get the same
power as developers have without the need to learn and setup all the
stuff that's required to
hi list !
more pd muzik drum n' drones
nvisible.taz features segmentation fault
programming and muzik noish~+daax!
enjoy :P
:: ..: ::: ::: :: :. ... . :: :: . : : :. : . . : . ::
/*segmentation fault*/* *is a research xperimental audio-software
project, based on the fusion of
On Mon, 10 Dec 2007, Mike McGonagle wrote:
Could someone please explain that IMPORTANCE of worrying about SQL
injection? Just how would it effect users of PD?
We don't know what pd users will do with [psql]. Do you?
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Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2007 11:52:25 -0500 (EST)
From: Mathieu Bouchard [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Mike McGonagle [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [PD] [psql] object hand-holding
On Mon, 10 Dec 2007, Mike McGonagle wrote:
While I think I understand what you are
On Mon, 2007-12-10 at 12:18 -0500, Mathieu Bouchard wrote:
This almost *never* happens. As long as what you do in Pd is regular
read-write activities involving tables that contain data that you only
want to see a small part of at a time, you need variable atoms in almost
any query:
On 12/10/07, Mathieu Bouchard [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Mon, 10 Dec 2007, Mike McGonagle wrote:
Could someone please explain that IMPORTANCE of worrying about SQL
injection? Just how would it effect users of PD?
We don't know what pd users will do with [psql]. Do you?
I guess what I
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From: Mike McGonagle [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Dec 10, 2007 1:07 PM
Subject: Re: [PD] [psql] object hand-holding
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On 12/10/07, Jamie Bullock [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Good point! I think Hans' recent suggestion addresses the problem.
On Mon, 2007-12-10 at 09:55 -0600, Mike McGonagle wrote:
Well, Jamie, at the same time, I think that Mathieu might be refering
how the output is handled from the 'sql' external. That is the part
that would make having just a single instance of a database object
difficult at best to work
On 12/10/07, Jamie Bullock [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
PREPARE uses the '$' character as its placeholder identifier, and '$1'
Jamie, after thinking about this, I don't think we should worry about the
specifics of the characters that we use, as long as we can agree on what
gets entered into a PD
Well-done, that looks like the perfect solution. I did notice these
functions mentioned in the code, with xmargin and ymargin as arguments
of a longer function call, but I hadn't followed up to see what else
went in the message.
I believe this is your answer, Phil.
Another one for msg-docs, I
On a different note, has anyone given any thought to handling Blobs? I know
that in SQLite, they store the data as binary strings, but I am not quite
certain how the external would handle the actual data going into and coming
out of it.
Mike
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On Mon, 10 Dec 2007, Mike McGonagle wrote:
I guess what I am getting at is that I don't see how we can prevent people
from using this maliciously.
Using true placeholders or other form of automatic quoting.
If they are creating the SQL and putting the data into it, how can we
stop them from
hi
why does the symbolatom not allow the user to enter spaces? or in other
words: why is there a restriction, if it can be circumvented by using
[makefilename]? people do it anyway, so why prohibit it in the first
place?
roman
If you have applied the add string support patch you can use the blob
atom, which is essentially a pointer to, and the length of, a binary string.
The string can be anything at all.
Martin
Mike McGonagle wrote:
To: pd-list@iem.at
Subject: Re: [PD] [psql] object hand-holding
Date: Mon, 10 Dec
On Mon, 10 Dec 2007, Jamie Bullock wrote:
On Mon, 2007-12-10 at 12:18 -0500, Mathieu Bouchard wrote:
This almost *never* happens.
I take your point, but I think you are exaggerating slightly.
Not in this context. We're only looking at the average query; I don't even
mean an actual query,
On Mon, 10 Dec 2007, Jamie Bullock wrote:
Fair enough, I think I was probably stretching the point about using the
[psql]-style of database connectivity requiring less objects.
However, it's perfectly possible to have multiple [psql] instances
connected to the same database, so the routing
On Dec 10, 2007, at 11:43 AM, Frank Barknecht wrote:
Hallo,
Hans-Christoph Steiner hat gesagt: // Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:
On Dec 10, 2007, at 6:14 AM, Thomas Grill wrote:
Frank Barknecht schrieb:
But as
everyone knows that I don't really understand why a DB external
has to
be a
On Mon, 10 Dec 2007, Roman Haefeli wrote:
why does the symbolatom not allow the user to enter spaces? or in other
words: why is there a restriction, if it can be circumvented by using
[makefilename]? people do it anyway, so why prohibit it in the first
place?
I don't know. In DesireData, if I
Is this something that is part of PD Vanilla? I would like to be able to
have this external running there.
Thanks,
Mike
On 12/10/07, Martin Peach [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
If you have applied the add string support patch you can use the blob
atom, which is essentially a pointer to, and the
On Mon, 2007-12-10 at 15:03 -0500, Mathieu Bouchard wrote:
print: symbol real\ people\ want\ to\ use\ spaces!
definitely. the first question i hear from people using netpd/pd the
first time is: 'how can i type spaces?' yet i decided to not add another
dependency for netpd just because of
On Dec 10, 2007, at 2:07 PM, Mike McGonagle wrote:
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From: Mike McGonagle [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Dec 10, 2007 1:07 PM
Subject: Re: [PD] [psql] object hand-holding
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On 12/10/07, Jamie Bullock [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Good point! I
On 12/10/07, Mathieu Bouchard [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
But it requires multiple logins, perhaps many at once, which might be
wasteful. For sharing database connections between several [psql]
objects, what do you think would be the best ways to do it? This is
supposing that several different
Very nice, thanks for making the example, I linked to it from the
wiki page.
.hc
On Dec 10, 2007, at 11:30 AM, Mike McGonagle wrote:
Hans, I still have yet to learn about the WIKI stuff, but I posted
a Inlet Proxy example on my page ( http://puredata.info/Members/
mjmogo ). I don't know
On 12/10/07, Hans-Christoph Steiner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
(What is the hold inlet, by the way?)
It's a hot inlet that has been misspelled...
It would be really nice to be able to have inlets for the sql placeholders,
but I couldn't think of a clean way to do it. We could try the dynamic
On 12/10/07, Hans-Christoph Steiner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
(What is the hold inlet, by the way?)
It's a hot inlet that has been misspelled...
It would be really nice to be able to have inlets for the sql placeholders,
but I couldn't think of a clean way to do it. We could try the dynamic
On Dec 10, 2007, at 1:43 PM, Mike McGonagle wrote:
On 12/10/07, Mathieu Bouchard [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Mon, 10 Dec 2007, Mike McGonagle wrote:
Could someone please explain that IMPORTANCE of worrying about SQL
injection? Just how would it effect users of PD?
We don't know what pd
On Dec 10, 2007, at 1:42 PM, Jamie Bullock wrote:
On Mon, 2007-12-10 at 12:18 -0500, Mathieu Bouchard wrote:
This almost *never* happens. As long as what you do in Pd is regular
read-write activities involving tables that contain data that you
only
want to see a small part of at a
On Mon, 10 Dec 2007, Roman Haefeli wrote:
since one can even open a file containing spaces in the path from pd, it
would actually make sense, if symbolatom would support that. i can't
think of a case, where supporting spaces would break anything (or am i
overseeing something?).
It would only
On Mon, 10 Dec 2007, Mike McGonagle wrote:
In one of the early prototypes I wrote for this, I set it up so that the
connections were shared. Basically, when an object tried to open a
connection, it would check if there was already one open, and if so, it
would use that. Else it would create a
A glorious hack, Jean-Yves! This should work well for what I am
envisioning. One strange thing, though: if you move the subpatch (that
displays the selected array), the other array is visible underneath it.
I wonder what's up with that?
Thanks for the solution, Jean-Yves (and Chuck for
On Mon, 10 Dec 2007, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:
Also, I don't know if any objects do this kind of dynamic inlet creation
after the object itself has been instantiated. It might not even be
possible.
It's possible, and I've done it, except for the bit of disconnecting every
wire
Andy Farnell wrote:
Of course he will always be remembered as an avant garde composer,
but much of Stockhausens greatness is missed by artists who saw him as
a pseudo-scientist and scientists who dismissed him as an artist.
He was both at different times. A lack of rigor and precise
On Dec 10, 2007, at 3:25 PM, Roman Haefeli wrote:
On Mon, 2007-12-10 at 15:03 -0500, Mathieu Bouchard wrote:
print: symbol real\ people\ want\ to\ use\ spaces!
definitely. the first question i hear from people using netpd/pd the
first time is: 'how can i type spaces?' yet i decided to
It probably would end up in vanilla if there was a demand for it, although
Miller doesn't seem to like the idea, needs more convincing ;)
Martin
Mike McGonagle wrote:
To: Martin Peach [EMAIL PROTECTED]
CC: pd-list@iem.at
Subject: Re: [PD] [psql] object hand-holding
Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2007
On Dec 10, 2007, at 3:30 PM, Mike McGonagle wrote:
On 12/10/07, Mathieu Bouchard [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
But it requires multiple logins, perhaps many at once, which might be
wasteful. For sharing database connections between several [psql]
objects, what do you think would be the best ways
On Dec 10, 2007, at 2:55 PM, Mathieu Bouchard wrote:
On Mon, 10 Dec 2007, Jamie Bullock wrote:
On Mon, 2007-12-10 at 12:18 -0500, Mathieu Bouchard wrote:
This almost *never* happens.
I take your point, but I think you are exaggerating slightly.
Not in this context. We're only looking at
On Mon, 10 Dec 2007 22:41:32 +0100
Yvan Vander Sanden [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
And of coruse we must not forget he came from sirius to explain us all
that :-)
No way? A or B? I can't stand those wankers from Sirius B with their our
star's brighter
than yours crap. Or was he a
On Dec 10, 2007, at 3:57 PM, Mike McGonagle wrote:
On 12/10/07, Hans-Christoph Steiner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
(What is the hold inlet, by the way?)
It's a hot inlet that has been misspelled...
It would be really nice to be able to have inlets for the sql
placeholders, but I couldn't
Siriusly though...
I seem to recall Newton was something of an occultist. Einstein
and many other scientists share beliefs in supernatural entities.
Does that really effect the value of their work?
By all accounts Stockhausen was an arrogant man, which perhaps
explains his clumbsy
He'll be missed, but the music will live on:
http://flickr.com/photos/cypod/2094889566/
On Dec 11, 2007 5:15 AM, Andy Farnell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Siriusly though...
I seem to recall Newton was something of an occultist. Einstein
and many other scientists share beliefs in supernatural
On 12/10/07, Hans-Christoph Steiner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Cool, that sounds like a good idea. I probably got it from you. :) Maybe
you are already doing this, but a query could also send a message out of the
status outlet to say how many results were found (i.e. [results 5(). This
On Dec 10, 2007, at 6:48 PM, Roman Haefeli wrote:
On Mon, 2007-12-10 at 16:34 -0500, Mathieu Bouchard wrote:
On Mon, 10 Dec 2007, Roman Haefeli wrote:
(or am i
overseeing something?).
It would only break externals that rely on lack of spaces in any
way, and
only if supposing that you
What we really need is regression testing, I think that would make it
easier to convince Miller to accept patches, and would be a great
tool for finding bugs. Matju started that project, any word on that
Matju? I'd love to see that in action. :D
.hc
On Dec 10, 2007, at 5:33 PM, Martin
Hallo!
Thanks I looked at that but it wasn't clear to me how I could connect to
an external server such as
http://xmlrpc-c.sourceforge.net/api.sample.php with this. Do I need to
run a python script along with the patch? Is there a help file some
where?
Well, there is an help pach: look in
As a follow up, I just read a nice little comment toward the end of
this blog post by David Byrne:
http://journal.davidbyrne.com/2007/12/12062007-embedd.html
Congrats!
~Kyle
On Dec 5, 2007 11:18 PM, Hans-Christoph Steiner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
It is running PDa 0.4 for sound and custom
Hallo!
Thanks Georg . I saw this patch but it doesn't really have any explanation
associated with it that I can see.
Also one would have to run another script in Python or something to make the
xml-rpc calls if I understand it correctly.
No, this is just an example in python...
Is that
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