Re: [PD] minor but persistent annoyances

2007-03-05 Thread hard off
cheers miller, that would be awesome. sorry to keep this going, but what about bug #2: 2) The opening position of property dialogs, when repeatedly accessed, wander down the screen, until eventually, they are nearly off the bottom of the screen. I'm guessing the behavior is partly intentional,

Re: [PD] minor but persistent annoyances

2007-03-05 Thread Miller Puckette
Looks like that's purely TK trying to help... ugh. cheers Miller On Mon, Mar 05, 2007 at 07:15:48PM +0900, hard off wrote: cheers miller, that would be awesome. sorry to keep this going, but what about bug #2: 2) The opening position of property dialogs, when repeatedly accessed, wander

Re: [PD] minor but persistent annoyances

2007-03-04 Thread Miller Puckette
The growth seems to come from TK... I added a correction (g_canvas.c, line 1051) but it looks like I'd better go adjust it again... cheers Miller On Mon, Feb 26, 2007 at 05:43:41PM -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Roman Haefeli wrote: On Mon, 2007-02-26 at 22:34 +0100, Derek Holzer wrote:

Re: [PD] minor but persistent annoyances

2007-02-27 Thread hard off
the worst is when you have a bunch of subpatches that you don't need to edit or look at after you do the initial coding. ..if you save your main patch 40 or 50 times, those 3 or 4 pixels really add up, and all your subpatches grow really huge. ___

Re: [PD] minor but persistent annoyances

2007-02-27 Thread Chuckk Hubbard
On 2/27/07, Steffen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 2) that a patch canvas can be bigger then the screen size since a solution to the one might not be a solution to the other. As for the second. We have different screens with different resolutions and size. So what can fit on one screen might not

Re: [PD] minor but persistent annoyances

2007-02-27 Thread Frank Barknecht
Hallo, Steffen hat gesagt: // Steffen wrote: I don't suppose I'm wrong by stating that linux users have the same problem, but just have better control over the window system such that resizing the windows is an easy job. I don't know about Apple, but you can run Blackbox on Windows

Re: [PD] minor but persistent annoyances

2007-02-26 Thread robbert van hulzen
this came up not so long ago: just change the canvas sizes in a text editor. cheers, robbert Chuckk Hubbard [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The reason it was a huge problem on Mac was that, once the window is larger than your display, there's no way to get to the resize button on the lower right

Re: [PD] minor but persistent annoyances

2007-02-26 Thread Chuckk Hubbard
You lost me at just. That you can fix it by opening a patch in a text editor, finding and adjusting all the affected windows, saving the file, and reopening it in Pd doesn't mean it's not a bug! -Chuckk On 2/26/07, robbert van hulzen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: this came up not so long ago: just

Re: [PD] minor but persistent annoyances

2007-02-26 Thread Derek Holzer
I'd point more to OS X or the Aqua desktop as the culprit, actually. Don't know 'bout windows, but on many Linux window managers, you can use the Alt+Mouse to relocate a window (of any app) and find the resize tab at the edges. File a feature request at Apple, where they get paid to read those

Re: [PD] minor but persistent annoyances

2007-02-26 Thread Derek Holzer
You can also just try changing your screen resolution if possible, to see if the out-of-bounds edges of the PD window show up. d. Chuckk Hubbard wrote: You lost me at just. That you can fix it by opening a patch in a text editor, finding and adjusting all the affected windows, saving the

Re: [PD] minor but persistent annoyances

2007-02-26 Thread marius schebella
Roman Haefeli wrote: subtract 3px on my system it's 4 pix. osx 10.4.8. tcl 8.4. m. ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list

Re: [PD] minor but persistent annoyances

2007-02-26 Thread Derek Holzer
Sorry for my swift previous answer on this thread. I didn't know that there was an actual bug involved, instead of just differences in how OSes handle oversize windows. d. marius schebella wrote: Roman Haefeli wrote: subtract 3px on my system it's 4 pix. osx 10.4.8. tcl 8.4. m. --

Re: [PD] minor but persistent annoyances

2007-02-26 Thread Roman Haefeli
oops, sorry about the number, i didn't want to say, it's exact 3px. i just estimated. i am working actually on linux, so i couldn't test. though, it would be interesting to see, if it's also 4px on windows. roman On Mon, 2007-02-26 at 17:40 -0500, marius schebella wrote: Roman Haefeli wrote:

Re: [PD] minor but persistent annoyances

2007-02-26 Thread Chuckk Hubbard
Yup. On 2/26/07, Roman Haefeli [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: oops, sorry about the number, i didn't want to say, it's exact 3px. i just estimated. i am working actually on linux, so i couldn't test. though, it would be interesting to see, if it's also 4px on windows. roman On Mon, 2007-02-26

Re: [PD] minor but persistent annoyances

2007-02-26 Thread marius schebella
when I posted that bug first time (in 2002) it was 2 pixels on windows AND on linux(!). marius. Chuckk Hubbard wrote: Yup. On 2/26/07, Roman Haefeli [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: oops, sorry about the number, i didn't want to say, it's exact 3px. i just estimated. i am working actually on

Re: [PD] minor but persistent annoyances

2007-02-24 Thread Stephen Sinclair
Try Duplicate, Ctl-D. The new copy is offset slightly right and down. Thanks I'll try that! Steve ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list

Re: [PD] minor but persistent annoyances

2007-02-24 Thread Chuckk Hubbard
I noticed 1) before too, on Mac. I'm not sure if the same thing has happened to me on Windows; resizing windows is much much easier in Windows. The reason it was a huge problem on Mac was that, once the window is larger than your display, there's no way to get to the resize button on the lower

Re: [PD] minor but persistent annoyances

2007-02-23 Thread carmen
On Fri Feb 23, 2007 at 07:42:07AM +0100, Frank Barknecht wrote: Hallo, marius schebella hat gesagt: // marius schebella wrote: no, that is a known problem which also appears under windows. but maybe not under linux. I've never encountered problem 1), the resizing, on my Linux machines.

Re: [PD] minor but persistent annoyances

2007-02-23 Thread Stephen Sinclair
3) When you copy and paste (Ctrl-C, Ctrl-V in immediate succession), the pasted object is in exactly the same position as the copied object (fine), except that it is _underneath_, so when you click and drag it out of the way you move the original instead, messing up your carefully placed patch

Re: [PD] minor but persistent annoyances

2007-02-23 Thread Tim Boykett
On 23/02/2007, at 2:12 PM, Stephen Sinclair wrote: 3) When you copy and paste (Ctrl-C, Ctrl-V in immediate succession), the pasted object is in exactly the same position as the copied object (fine), except that it is _underneath_, so when you click and drag it out of the way you move

Re: [PD] minor but persistent annoyances

2007-02-23 Thread Frank Barknecht
Hallo, Stephen Sinclair hat gesagt: // Stephen Sinclair wrote: 3) When you copy and paste (Ctrl-C, Ctrl-V in immediate succession), the pasted object is in exactly the same position as the copied object (fine), except that it is _underneath_, so when you click and drag it out of the way you

[PD] minor but persistent annoyances

2007-02-22 Thread Phil Stone
Hello all, There are two minor issues in PD that I've ignored for a long time, but they do tend to become annoying after long editing sessions. (The fact that I'm complaining about such small things attests to how amazing PD is otherwise.) 1) Windows do not hold their size. If I carefully

Re: [PD] minor but persistent annoyances

2007-02-22 Thread Frank Barknecht
Hallo, Phil Stone hat gesagt: // Phil Stone wrote: 2) The opening position of property dialogs, when repeatedly accessed, wander down the screen, until eventually, they are nearly off the bottom of the screen. I'm guessing the behavior is partly intentional, to enable tiling of

Re: [PD] minor but persistent annoyances

2007-02-22 Thread marius schebella
no, that is a known problem which also appears under windows. but maybe not under linux. every time you save the patch, the size gets increased by 1 or even 2 pixels... I think it is a tcl/tk problem. marius. Frank Barknecht wrote: Hallo, Phil Stone hat gesagt: // Phil Stone wrote: 2) The

Re: [PD] minor but persistent annoyances

2007-02-22 Thread hard off
both problems appear on mac too. probably tcl/tk related too, i think. ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list

Re: [PD] minor but persistent annoyances

2007-02-22 Thread Phil Stone
Frank Barknecht wrote: Hallo, Phil Stone hat gesagt: // Phil Stone wrote: 2) The opening position of property dialogs, when repeatedly accessed, wander down the screen, until eventually, they are nearly off the bottom of the screen. I'm guessing the behavior is partly intentional,

Re: [PD] minor but persistent annoyances

2007-02-22 Thread Phil Stone
Aha! The window is consistently growing by a few pixels, that's why I wouldn't notice it until some random time! Thanks for clearing that up. I couldn't find anything about this on a quick search of Tcl/Tk known issues, but it does seem like a likely source of the problem. Phil marius

Re: [PD] minor but persistent annoyances

2007-02-22 Thread Frank Barknecht
Hallo, marius schebella hat gesagt: // marius schebella wrote: no, that is a known problem which also appears under windows. but maybe not under linux. I've never encountered problem 1), the resizing, on my Linux machines. Ciao -- Frank Barknecht _ __footils.org_