Re: [PD] accuracy of signal/message-objects

2007-05-08 Thread IOhannes m zmoelnig
Frank Barknecht wrote: Hallo, Objects like [delay] or [metro] produce these clock-delayed messages. They register their clocks with Pd's main scheduler using clock_new(...) and then order the scheduler to generate the clock-delayed messages like the metro-bangs using clock_delay(). The

Re: [PD] Exquisite corpse

2007-05-08 Thread Steffen
On 06/05/2007, at 20.10, Chris McCormick wrote: 3. At the end everyone will mail me their subpatch and we will string all of the pieces together, overlapping so that each piece is played twice - once together with the piece before, and once with the piece after I don't suppose that the

[PD] analogue clipping

2007-05-08 Thread hard off
what's the best and most cpu efficient way to clip a signal in an analogue fashion, rather than getting nasty digital distortion? ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list

Re: [PD] analogue clipping

2007-05-08 Thread IOhannes m zmoelnig
hard off wrote: what's the best and most cpu efficient way to clip a signal in an analogue fashion, rather than getting nasty digital distortion? waveshaping mfga.sdr IOhannes ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -

Re: [PD] analogue clipping

2007-05-08 Thread Jamie Bullock
On Tue, 2007-05-08 at 19:18 +0900, hard off wrote: what's the best and most cpu efficient way to clip a signal in an analogue fashion, rather than getting nasty digital distortion? Have you tried waveshaping? I.e. use your signal as an index to a function (usually stored in a table)? A good

Re: [PD] Space Invaders 4D Game

2007-05-08 Thread Frank Barknecht
Hallo, [EMAIL PROTECTED] hat gesagt: // [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm just starting out in PD but 99.9% of the time I can break something down and figure out how it works or find something online, but can someone explain to me how to use two gemheads to render a pattern with just on geo. I

Re: [PD] analogue clipping

2007-05-08 Thread Claude Heiland-Allen
hard off wrote: what's the best and most cpu efficient way to clip a signal in an analogue fashion, rather than getting nasty digital distortion? I quite like [expr~ tanh($v1)] - but it isn't especially cpu efficient. To hear it in action, just about every sound in this has been through

Re: [PD] analogue clipping

2007-05-08 Thread padawan12
Try tanh function mapped to the range of about -5 +5 and a small signal input. http://mathworld.wolfram.com/HyperbolicTangent.html Here's a nice approximation with five multiplies http://www.musicdsp.org/archive.php?classid=5#238 what's the best and most cpu efficient way to clip a signal in an

Re: [PD] accuracy of signal/message-objects

2007-05-08 Thread Steffen
On 08/05/2007, at 9.19, IOhannes m zmoelnig wrote: because they do not interface with the world outside. I feel that i don't interface with the world inside. I would greatly appreciate if someone would translate the scope of this discussion into noobish. I sense that it's not that hard to

Re: [PD] analogue clipping

2007-05-08 Thread Steffen
On 08/05/2007, at 13.11, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Here's a nice approximation with five multiplies http://www.musicdsp.org/archive.php?classid=5#238 Indeed. I had to see it. For anyone interested: http://puredata.info/ Members/stffn/tanh-aprox.png/

Re: [PD] accuracy of signal/message-objects

2007-05-08 Thread IOhannes m zmoelnig
Steffen wrote: On 08/05/2007, at 9.19, IOhannes m zmoelnig wrote: because they do not interface with the world outside. I feel that i don't interface with the world inside. I would greatly appreciate if someone would translate the scope of this discussion into noobish. sorry if i

Re: [PD] accuracy of signal/message-objects

2007-05-08 Thread Frank Barknecht
Hallo, IOhannes m zmoelnig hat gesagt: // IOhannes m zmoelnig wrote: unfortunately i am not very good at explaining things in simple words; anyone else wants togive it a try? Pd is nirvana, comport is the harsh reality. Ciao -- Frank Barknecht _ __footils.org_

Re: [PD] accuracy of signal/message-objects

2007-05-08 Thread Roman Haefeli
On Tue, 2007-05-08 at 13:12 +0200, Steffen wrote: On 08/05/2007, at 9.19, IOhannes m zmoelnig wrote: because they do not interface with the world outside. I feel that i don't interface with the world inside. I would greatly appreciate if someone would translate the scope of this

Re: [PD] analogue clipping

2007-05-08 Thread Frank Barknecht
Hallo, [EMAIL PROTECTED] hat gesagt: // [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Try tanh function mapped to the range of about -5 +5 and a small signal input. http://mathworld.wolfram.com/HyperbolicTangent.html Here's a nice approximation with five multiplies

Re: [PD] analogue clipping

2007-05-08 Thread Frank Barknecht
Hallo, Frank Barknecht hat gesagt: // Frank Barknecht wrote: Here's a nice approximation with five multiplies http://www.musicdsp.org/archive.php?classid=5#238 That's a nice version! Attached is a comparision of both in Pd, looks (and sounds) good. Oh, and even it uses only four

Re: [PD] accuracy of signal/message-objects

2007-05-08 Thread marius schebella
Steffen wrote: On 08/05/2007, at 9.19, IOhannes m zmoelnig wrote: because they do not interface with the world outside. I feel that i don't interface with the world inside. I would greatly appreciate if someone would translate the scope of this discussion into noobish. hi, think of

[PD] Gem Compiling os x xcode problems

2007-05-08 Thread nosehair911
I have gotten Gem to compile sucesfully with font support using the xcode project somewhat. I get 1125 warnings, mainly this is the location of the previous definition. My biggets problem is that in my machine I have the latest freetype under usr/local/lib and I also have the freetype that

Re: [PD] analogue clipping

2007-05-08 Thread hard off
quick tanh looks good. i put in a dollar and my cpu gave me 96 cents change! ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list

Re: [PD] Exquisite corpse

2007-05-08 Thread Matteo.sistisette
. Acquistalo on line Clicca qui: http://adv.email.it/cgi-bin/foclick.cgi?mid=6431d=20070508 ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list

Re: [PD] Gem Compiling os x xcode problems

2007-05-08 Thread chris clepper
Use static linking for freetype and FTGL on OSX. On 5/8/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have gotten Gem to compile sucesfully with font support using the xcode project somewhat. I get 1125 warnings, mainly this is the location of the previous definition. My biggets problem is

Re: [PD] Exquisite corpse

2007-05-08 Thread Frank Barknecht
Hallo, Matteo.sistisette hat gesagt: // Matteo.sistisette wrote: 2) Some kind of naming scheme should be specified in order to avoid conflicts and interferences between table/send/receive/value/etc names in different patches. For example, you may assign an ID to each participant, and s/he

Re: [PD] Exquisite corpse

2007-05-08 Thread Atwood, Robert C
And they need to be sure that they are listening to the previous person's work as it really sounds. But, isn't the idea of exquisite corpse, that you don't know what the stuff before is? Or on the contrary, you may decide to exploit interferences between patches as an extra source of

[PD] dsp lowest frequency?

2007-05-08 Thread Bosko Milakovic
Hi all! Maybe it's a stupid question but I was reading this http://www.dspdimension.com/PDF/DftAPied.pdf and it confused me a bit. Theoretically, if we have a sample rate at 1000Hz, the highest possible pitch will be 500Hz. But is there an opposite limit? Is there a lowest possible pitch for

Re: [PD] cyclone/counter bug

2007-05-08 Thread IOhannes m zmoelnig
Kyle Klipowicz wrote: Hi listers~ I'm trying to use cyclone/counter to manipulate video. I know all about making your own counters and such, but at this point I just want something to play my videos with the methods included in the cyclone counter, so why reinvent the wheel, right?

[PD] question about pdx7 for Frank Barknecht

2007-05-08 Thread Andres Ferrari
hello Frank, i was testing pdx7 and I have some questions i cant load the adsr envelopes saved with careGUI.is possible? something else are you teacher of some musical institution? composer? I am looking for possibilities of people who can come guests to give masterclass to the

[PD] question about pdx7 for Frank Barknecht

2007-05-08 Thread Andres Ferrari
hello Frank, i was testing pdx7 and I have some questions i cant load the adsr envelopes saved with careGUI.is possible? something else are you teacher of some musical institution? composer? I am looking for possibilities of people who can come guests to give masterclass to the

Re: [PD] cyclone/counter bug

2007-05-08 Thread Kyle Klipowicz
Ok, I will use the [min $1( message. I was too unobservant to notice that the help patch used [min $1] instead! Thanks. It seems ridiculous to keep this bug, since Max has probably fixed it. But I don't use Max, so I don't know. If I were to update the help patch, is it as simple as uploading it

Re: [PD] dsp lowest frequency?

2007-05-08 Thread Roman Haefeli
dc is always the lowest possible frequency, no matter what sr you use. the issue with nyquist frequency is, that if the frequency of a signal is too high (sr/2), then it doesn't 'fit' into the sample-grid anymore. the only 'limitation' for low frequencies is, that you cannot tell the exact

Re: [PD] Exquisite corpse

2007-05-08 Thread Luigi Rensinghoff
I would like to move the brainstorming into another direction. Hoping that you all like it. What if: 1) we leave the idea of just creating 30 seconds, but everybody is allowed to contribute to the whole time-interval (lets say 3-5 minutes) of course everybody should create light or slim

Re: [PD] Exquisite corpse

2007-05-08 Thread Kyle Klipowicz
I like this idea, but would rather it be pd-exquis #2, since it is a bit more involved. Let's see how #1 goes, and then try Luigi's if we can handle it! ~Kyle On 5/8/07, Luigi Rensinghoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I would like to move the brainstorming into another direction. Hoping that you

Re: [PD] Exquisite corpse

2007-05-08 Thread Luigi Rensinghoff
however ;-) anyone started already ? Am 08.05.2007 um 18:36 schrieb Kyle Klipowicz: I like this idea, but would rather it be pd-exquis #2, since it is a bit more involved. Let's see how #1 goes, and then try Luigi's if we can handle it! ~Kyle On 5/8/07, Luigi Rensinghoff [EMAIL

Re: [PD] accuracy of signal/message-objects

2007-05-08 Thread Steffen
On 08/05/2007, at 14.36, Roman Haefeli wrote: i think, i understood, what IOhannes explained, I'm sorry i wasn't cleat about what i didn't understand. By this discussion i mean to refer not only to IOhannes mail but the whole thread. Confusion Is Sex, they say. So i guess it's not

Re: [PD] Exquisite corpse

2007-05-08 Thread Kyle Klipowicz
I'd also suggest that you are allowed to make modifications to the included patch that is previous to your own. This could be another source of fun! Frank's abstraction idea is a good one too. We'd just have to be organized. ~Kyle On 5/8/07, Steffen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 08/05/2007, at

Re: [PD] accuracy of signal/message-objects

2007-05-08 Thread marius schebella
what happens in a block cycle? first all dsp computation is done, then all new messaging is handled: usually 64 samples of digital (audio) signal are blocked together. so lets say you have a line~ object that received a message [0, 1 10( before the new block started. so that is executed

Re: [PD] cyclone/counter bug

2007-05-08 Thread Frank Barknecht
Hallo, IOhannes m zmoelnig hat gesagt: // IOhannes m zmoelnig wrote: so: does krzysztof still maintain cyclone? (haven't heard from him since some time) can someone confirm the correct behaviour of [counter]? it would be simple to fix (and even more so the help-patch) Krzysztof didn't write

Re: [PD] call for PDP testing on Mac OS X

2007-05-08 Thread nosehair911
To anyone who has gotten pdp_glx to work on os x, What did you have to install to get it going? I have run the latest auto-build and although pdp_glx object opens, when ever I try to get a window open I get the following error: pdp_xdisplay_new: can't open display :0 pdp_glx: cant open

Re: [PD] accuracy of signal/message-objects

2007-05-08 Thread Roman Haefeli
On Tue, 2007-05-08 at 18:37 +0200, Steffen wrote: Marius also ends out with some explanation of the 'block' concept. I think that what i don't really get. I understand that decreasing the block size will possible requirer more computation/logical time then there is real time enough to

Re: [PD] analogue clipping

2007-05-08 Thread Georg Holzmann
Hallo! quick tanh looks good. i put in a dollar and my cpu gave me 96 cents change! I did not follow the whole thread, so maybe this was already said. But I would also do the tanh interpolation with a wavetable. You can simply once use this function to generate the wavetable and then use it

[PD] unknown audio I/O error (con't!)

2007-05-08 Thread Greg Sabo
Sorry about the last message, Gmail screwed up and send it while I was typing as I was saying, whenever I hit DIO it outputs the following: -- audio I/O error history: seconds agoerror type 21.98 unknown 21.98

Re: [PD] PD-list Digest, Vol 26, Issue 39

2007-05-08 Thread jhonet b
so there is not an external for use a wii remote in pure data os x, and even a pc? this object is for max 4.6 http://www.iamas.ac.jp/~aka/max/#aka_wiiremote and deals with the wii remote, this object comes with its source code can it be converted into pd ?, how?

[PD] OT - Pd on Leno

2007-05-08 Thread Dafydd Hughes
Hi folks If you've got nothing better to do this evening, the band I'm touring with is playing on the Tonight Show, and I'm using Pd for about 8 bars of a mellotron flute sample. Not nearly as impressive as Bjork's rig, but what the hey, it's Pd in the pop world:) cheers dafydd --

Re: [PD] OT - Pd on Leno

2007-05-08 Thread bigswift
You Go Dafydd!! Dafydd Hughes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi folks If you've got nothing better to do this evening, the band I'm touring with is playing on the Tonight Show, and I'm using Pd for about 8 bars of a mellotron flute sample. Not nearly as impressive as Bjork's rig, but

[PD] unknown audio I/O error

2007-05-08 Thread Greg Sabo
Hello- I've used Pd-extended successfully on this computer before, but recently whenever I start the program and begin processing, it returns this: audio I/O error history: seconds ago ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management

Re: [PD] Exquisite corpse

2007-05-08 Thread hard off
yeah...please don't use [$2$1( message boxes or anything like that which aren't in 0.39 ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list

Re: [PD] call for PDP testing on Mac OS X

2007-05-08 Thread Nose Hair
Thanks. You know even though the pdp_glx help file cleary states: pdp_glx ouputs video in a window using the openGL extension on an X11 window system. I think there should be more of an obvious statement for dummies like me. I can now start to play around with this thing. By the way is

Re: [PD] call for PDP testing on Mac OS X

2007-05-08 Thread Hans-Christoph Steiner
For pdp_qt, try today's autobuild. I think it might work. .hc On May 8, 2007, at 7:47 PM, Nose Hair wrote: Thanks. You know even though the pdp_glx help file cleary states: pdp_glx ouputs video in a window using the openGL extension on an X11 window system. I think there should be more

Re: [PD] PD-list Digest, Vol 26, Issue 39

2007-05-08 Thread Hans-Christoph Steiner
I already ported that code to Pd. I am pretty sure he folded the changes into his code, so it should compile for Pd. It's also included in Pd-0.40.2-extended test builds. .hc On May 8, 2007, at 2:21 PM, jhonet b wrote: so there is not an external for use a wii remote in pure data os x,

Re: [PD] OT - Pd on Leno

2007-05-08 Thread Hans-Christoph Steiner
Nice, congrats! Hopefully this ends up on youtube or elsewhere so I can watch it. ;) .hc On May 8, 2007, at 4:14 PM, Dafydd Hughes wrote: Hi folks If you've got nothing better to do this evening, the band I'm touring with is playing on the Tonight Show, and I'm using Pd for about 8 bars

Re: [PD] [GEM-dev] Gem Compiling os x xcode problems

2007-05-08 Thread Hans-Christoph Steiner
Does freetype have to be statically linked? Will it work with dynamic? Right now, the auto-build compiles with a dynamic freetype lib, and I have a script that includes all the required dynamic libs. .hc On May 8, 2007, at 10:26 AM, chris clepper wrote: Use static linking for freetype

Re: [PD] Problem compiling wiimote external

2007-05-08 Thread Hans-Christoph Steiner
It's just a matter of someone doing the work to get it building. Unless CWiid is in Debian, this could be a fair amount of work. I'll happily answer questions, etc. to help get it going. .hc On May 7, 2007, at 8:58 PM, patrick wrote: attached is the wiimote compiled with 32 bits intel

Re: [PD] unknown audio I/O error

2007-05-08 Thread Kevin McCoy
Have you tried increasing your buffer time? This is my guess; though, if it doesn't cause any problems after that maybe it's nothing to worry about? Kevin On 5/8/07, Greg Sabo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello- I've used Pd-extended successfully on this computer before, but recently whenever I

Re: [PD] [GEM-dev] Gem Compiling os x xcode problems

2007-05-08 Thread Nose Hair
I tested last nights auto-build and it still says gem is compiled without font support. I will give tonight's build a shot and let you know. BTW I think that a static lib pointing to the X11 freetype is the way to go because if someone already has x11 installed they don't have to

[PD] Bug in Pool?

2007-05-08 Thread Luke Iannini (pd)
Hi Thomas (and list), I have run into what appears to be a limitation with [pool], namely that it crashes with something around ~780 characters loaded from a file as values in a key. I ran into this loading a particularly long list in Memento. I've attached a patch and a file from which to load

Re: [PD] [PD-dev] pidip on Mac OS X gives Symbol not found: _quicktime_video_length

2007-05-08 Thread Hans-Christoph Steiner
It turns out that Mac OS X does not support sched_setscheduler(), so they need to be surrounded by #ifdef __gnu_linux_, then everything works. sched_setscheduler.patch Description: Binary data I hope you don't mind, I checked in these changes to CVS. .hc On Apr 26, 2007, at 8:43 PM,

Re: [PD] Problem compiling wiimote external

2007-05-08 Thread Chris McCormick
On Tue, May 08, 2007 at 09:12:15PM -0400, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: It's just a matter of someone doing the work to get it building. Unless CWiid is in Debian, this could be a fair amount of work. I'll happily answer questions, etc. to help get it going. CWiid is in Debian.

Re: [PD] [GEM-dev] Gem Compiling os x xcode problems

2007-05-08 Thread Hans-Christoph Steiner
Actually, using Fink, I have scripted the build system to automatically include any dynamic libs that are needed. This is already working well for ogg, vorbis, speex, and now PDP stuff. I see no reason why it shouldn't work for Gem too. If you look in Pd.app/Contents/lib you can see