RE: Unusual lens

2003-12-19 Thread mike.wilson
Hi, Bob R wrote: I have seen them appear numerous times. For a real trip, check and see his present Pentax offerings. If I were a bidder, I would be happy to know that no one could see how dumb I really was g. The whole list is a classic example of how not to offer products. The prices are

Naughty ebay guy [Was: More lens problems]

2003-12-19 Thread Kostas Kavoussanakis
Hi folks, Remember the Tamron 90/2.5 that I bought off ebay and turned out to be a lemon? The seller thinks that fogging of internal elements and an unresponsive iris are normal for a lens of this age, that it is is good working order and that there are risks associated with buying from ebay (I

Re: Naughty ebay guy [Was: More lens problems]

2003-12-19 Thread Kevin Waterson
This one time, at band camp, Kostas Kavoussanakis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As I have kissed my 60 pounds goodbye, I think that some one with such an attitude should not be left to deal on ebay. Has anybody ever filed a complaint against a seller? Is SquareTrade the one and only option? I have

Re: A 70-210/4 - Focus Ring Looseness

2003-12-19 Thread Collin R Brendemuehl
At 23:10 2003.12.18 -0500, you wrote: Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 01:26:04 GMT From: Donald A. Morrison [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hello all, Today I managed to get my hands on an absolutely pristine example of the above lens - glass perfect, cosmetically it looks as if it has never been used and at a price I

Re: Naughty ebay guy [Was: More lens problems]

2003-12-19 Thread Collin R Brendemuehl
At 05:18 2003.12.19 -0500, you wrote: Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 09:33:03 + (GMT) From: Kostas Kavoussanakis [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi folks, Remember the Tamron 90/2.5 that I bought off ebay and turned out to be a lemon? The seller thinks that fogging of internal elements and an unresponsive iris are

Re[2]: A 70-210/4 - Focus Ring Looseness

2003-12-19 Thread Bob Walkden
Hi, there are 2 versions of this lens. One is an SMC version, and the other is not SMC. This is marked on the lens, and the rubber grips on the focus/zoom ring are different - the non-SMC version has longer gnurls (or are they knurls?). The non-SMC version has an enormous amount of slip in it -

RE: Naughty ebay guy [Was: More lens problems]

2003-12-19 Thread Malcolm Smith
Kostas Kavoussanakis wrote: As I have kissed my 60 pounds goodbye, I think that some one with such an attitude should not be left to deal on ebay. Has anybody ever filed a complaint against a seller? Is SquareTrade the one and only option? I've lost a fair bit of faith with eBay as a

Re: A 70-210/4 - Focus Ring Looseness

2003-12-19 Thread Fred
there are 2 versions of this lens. One is an SMC version, and the other is not SMC. This is marked on the lens Isn't the SMC A version marked as a 70-210/4 lens, while the non-SMC version is marked as being something like 70-200/4 ? Fred

Re: Google name (was:Re: GFM and a CRAPPY weekend...)

2003-12-19 Thread Mark Roberts
Butch Black [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Unfortunately Mark Roberts is a much more common name so I'm only the 5th web site listed. Even more unfortunate is what happens to be the *first* one listed... I don't know Mark, it sounds like good exposure to me :0) (someone had to say it) Yeah. Looks

Re: *Australian GFM (Abridged/Consolidated)*

2003-12-19 Thread Mark Roberts
Rob Studdert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 19 Dec 2003 at 9:45, Tanya Mayer Photography wrote: You guys are the biggest bunch of SOOKS!!! vbg You think it gets hot down there, you wanna live up here during the summer, it is now 9.43am, and has already hit 36 degrees! Estimated to be around 42

Re: Konica Minolta?

2003-12-19 Thread Sylwek
on 18.12.03 18:57, graywolf at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Nikon belong alongside Mitsubishi already. Asahi Glass is now subsidiary of Mitsubishi too ;-P Actually it has been since 1944 :-))) http://www.agc.co.jp/english/company/history/history.html But I doubt if this company has anything in

RE: A 70-210/4 - Focus Ring Looseness

2003-12-19 Thread brooksdj
Alan. I have this lens too and it seems to me that the focus is a bit loose too.I palm hold my zooms and it would take nothing at all to move focus. Someone mentioned a few years back there were several small screws on the lens that could be tightened.The only ones i saw were up close to the k

Re: A 70-210/4 - Focus Ring Looseness

2003-12-19 Thread brooksdj
At 23:10 2003.12.18 -0500, you wrote: A lens maintenance has become a specialty of mine. I have one and had to do the same fix to it. Take off the rubber surround. There are some screws under it which hold the barrel in place. Just tighten them.

Re: Re[2]: Santa Pics

2003-12-19 Thread Paul Stenquist
The more contrtasty ones look best on my screen. I'm not sure which were subjected to auto levels. However all of them would print just fine with a tweak in PS. Paul On Dec 18, 2003, at 8:59 PM, Bruce Dayton wrote: Are you saying that the ones that look alright are the unmanipulated ones or the

Re: A 70-210/4 - Focus Ring Looseness

2003-12-19 Thread Bob Walkden
Hi, could be - I can't remember what was on mine. I have neither of them now, but I seem to remember them both being 70-210. Kilpatrick's book describes a Takumar A 70-210/4, which is not what I had, as well as the SMC A 70-210/4. In the description of the SMC lens he writes 'A previous Pentax-A

Re: A 70-210/4 - Focus Ring Looseness

2003-12-19 Thread Fred
It's a one-touch zoom so this is slightly irksome - the ring will slip and change focal length according to gravity rather than staying put as the other lens does. This is a personal preference issue, it seems to me. If you want to use the lens pointed up or down on a tripod, then I can see

Re: A 70-210/4 - Focus Ring Looseness

2003-12-19 Thread Fred
Someone mentioned a few years back there were several small screws on the lens that could be tightened. I have used a couple A 70-210/4's quite a bit over time, and one of them (due to much use in very dusty conditions, including wind-blown sand) actually started to develop a gritty feel when

OT:Thanks Ann for the calender tips

2003-12-19 Thread brooksdj
This is for everyone too. Taking your que Ann, i decided to try my hand at a calender for the farm owners were we board out our horses.Spent a bout 16-18 hours compiling photos,scanning those that were not from the D1 and doing a

OT: Anyone here do camera repair?

2003-12-19 Thread Collin Brendemuehl
http://classifieds.yahoo.com/display/merchandise?ct_hft=detailnpintl=cc=merchandisecr=cids=76081e6fbc11a19cbca56d3b88dd0e81refsrc=search Looks like a set of repair guides.

Re[2]: A 70-210/4 - Focus Ring Looseness

2003-12-19 Thread mike.wilson
Hi, Bob W. wrote: there are 2 versions of this lens. One is an SMC version, and the other is not SMC. This is marked on the lens, and the rubber grips on the focus/zoom ring are different - the non-SMC version has longer gnurls (or are they knurls?). Knurls. Gnurls are female 8-))) mknurl

JPG Compression

2003-12-19 Thread Steve Desjardins
I'm having an odd problem. I'm trying to submit my PUG entry for Jan. The image was taken on the *ist D at high quality JPG at 2000X3000. I cropped the image and reduced it to 500 x 360 pixels. My compression algorith is saying the image is about 46 K (20x) compression but the file is actually

leaving today

2003-12-19 Thread cbwaters
We're going up to Michigan for Christmas (Shhh! Don't tell my parents, it's a surprise EG) and leaving this afternoon. We'll be passing a couple of your places on the way but I don't intend to stop the Xterra much ;) It occurs to me that we have a bunch of USA-PDML folks on the East coast and

RE: leaving today

2003-12-19 Thread Bill Sawyer
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: December 19, 2003 9:56 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject:leaving today We're going up to Michigan for Christmas (Shhh! Don't tell my parents, it's a surprise EG) and leaving this afternoon. We'll

Re: leaving today

2003-12-19 Thread cbwaters
Really Bill? CW - Original Message - From: Bill Sawyer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 19, 2003 10:20 AM Subject: RE: leaving today -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: December 19, 2003 9:56 AM To:

RE: leaving today

2003-12-19 Thread Bill Sawyer
Cory, I hit the send button a bit too fast on the other post - sorry to all. There are four members of the Michigan PDML that I know of. Mark in Kalamazoo on the west side of the state. Ken Waller, Paul Stenquist and myself all live in suburban Detroit, on the east side of Michigan. And we'll

Re: leaving today

2003-12-19 Thread cbwaters
Wasn't much concerned about Mark robbing my house...it's those Lurkers you have to watch out for ;) well, you'll have to wave towards the west then, we're the Yellow Xterra hurtling towards parts North. Happy Holidays! Cory - Original Message - From: Bill Sawyer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To:

Re: Bloody Aussies and their long posts

2003-12-19 Thread Jostein
bethegotthepointthough... :-) - Pictures at: http://oksne.net - - Original Message - From: Ryan Lee [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 19, 2003 2:27 AM Subject: Re: Bloody Aussies and their long posts

Re: Re[2]: Santa Pics

2003-12-19 Thread Christian
I think with the Pentax software you can only batch process the same changes to a group of RAW images. That's the way I've done it anyway. Christian - Original Message - From: tom [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 19, 2003 12:57 PM Subject: RE: Re[2]: Santa

Re: PUG themes and submissions

2003-12-19 Thread Steve Desjardins
Have you seen Pet Cemetery? Oh my god it is already the 19th! I have to go dig up an animal annsan Steven Desjardins Department of Chemistry Washington and Lee University Lexington, VA 24450 (540) 458-8873 FAX: (540) 458-8878 [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re[4]: Santa Pics

2003-12-19 Thread Bruce Dayton
Tom, As I have played around a bit, the photo lab will convert from raw to jpg/tiff with one set of settings. If you only have loaded one image, it applies to the single image. If you have a group of them, they will all get the settings applied during conversion. So for a group, you would use

More lens problems.

2003-12-19 Thread Steve Desjardins
Obviously this is going to be a bad day The *ist D is not working with a few lenses. In particular: can't read aperature or AF w/ FA 50, FA 135, FA100 2.8 macro Works just fine w/ FA20-35, A50.17, Sigma 24-70 3.5-5.6 I'm assuming this body has just won a trip to Colorado. Steven Desjardins

OT: Triples all round!

2003-12-19 Thread Bob Walkden
Hi, people often say that the PDML is like a bar that a group of friends drop into regularly to chat about photography and other things. Here is that bar: www.web-options.com/PUG.jpg It's in Chiswick, London. (For a clue as to the correct explanation of the bar's name see this self-portrait of

Re: More lens problems.

2003-12-19 Thread Bruce Dayton
Steve, Do you have another ZX type body to try them on? I found that my FA 80-320 acted like it was not set to 'A' when I put it on the *istD. After putting it on the ZX-10 it behaved just the same. Pointing to a problem with the lens, not the body. After pressing and hold on the aperture ring

RE: Re[4]: Santa Pics

2003-12-19 Thread tom
-Original Message- From: Bruce Dayton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Does this make sense to you? Other questions? I think that covers it. I think that method would double the time it takes me to edit a wedding. tv

Re: More lens problems.

2003-12-19 Thread Steve Desjardins
I'm going to bring in my zx-7 for testing, although I know the FA 50 works fine on my MZ-S. I have cleaned the contacted, made sure they're on A etc. What's so odd is that three lenses now fail and that AF won't engage. OTOH, I have an FA, A and Sigma lens that work fine, both aperture and AF

Re: JPG Compression

2003-12-19 Thread Steve Desjardins
I just tried this with phtoshop 6 and got files of the same size. I'm not sure why I'm suddenly having this problem. Must be bad karma. . . . Steven Desjardins Department of Chemistry Washington and Lee University Lexington, VA 24450 (540) 458-8873 FAX: (540) 458-8878 [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: OT:Thanks Ann for the calender tips

2003-12-19 Thread brooksdj
Ann wrote: I haven't used Automate -- I know the create for web stuff in Elements is pretty ugly. My covers were done by bringing each image in on top of a background one at a time. Hey,me too :-) Will be itnerested to see how ACDC works, though I'm

Re: Santa Pics

2003-12-19 Thread Bruce Dayton
Tom, I would be very curious to find out your general workflow of editing a wedding after downloading from the cards. What tools, what order, etc. Also, I have been trying to decide if it is worth using raw when needing to process a large number of files - thinking jpg or tiff might be better

Re: Bloody Aussies and their long posts

2003-12-19 Thread Cotty
On 18/12/03, [EMAIL PROTECTED] disgorged: Yes, Mr. Cottrell! :-) Ryan No need to stand on formality. Please call me sir. :-) Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=| www.macads.co.uk/snaps _ Free UK Mac Ads

there's one born every minute

2003-12-19 Thread William Robb
P. T. Barnum was right. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=2973510727category=48539 William Robb

Re: Re[2]: Santa Pics

2003-12-19 Thread Pieter Nagel
On Fri, Dec 19, 2003 at 12:05:37PM +, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My question still stands: Is it better to slightly underexpose on the DSLR? -- Best regards, Bruce I think so Bruce.You have a better chance to fixup an underexposed than over,or so i've been told by

Re: there's one born every minute

2003-12-19 Thread Bill Owens
Hey Wheatfield, $981.00 total so far. He's saved $18.00 over retail! Bill - Original Message - From: William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Pentax Discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 19, 2003 2:32 PM Subject: there's one born every minute P. T. Barnum was right.

Re: there's one born every minute

2003-12-19 Thread Bob Walkden
Hi, some minutes it's rather more than one, apparently. -- Cheers, Bob Friday, December 19, 2003, 7:32:18 PM, you wrote: P. T. Barnum was right. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=2973510727category=48539 William Robb

Re: there's one born every minute

2003-12-19 Thread Robert Leigh Woerner
It is still a scam and the guy should be shut down. It is like someone selling a camera box. Regards, Robert

RE: there's one born every minute

2003-12-19 Thread Amita Guha
Dunno if it's technically a scam; he says right up front that you're not getting an actual Rebel. If I were that kind of jerk, I'd put up a bunch of auctions for this alleged URL with a BIN of say $50 or $100. I'd be rolling in cash... -Original Message- From: Robert Leigh Woerner

RE: there's one born every minute

2003-12-19 Thread Len Paris
Holy shirt! That must be the stupidest person still able to use eBay. To pay that much just to get the URL. Len * There's no place like 127.0.0.1 -Original Message- From: William Robb [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 19, 2003 1:32 PM To: Pentax Discuss Subject:

RE: there's one born every minute

2003-12-19 Thread Len Paris
He probably could have googled for the URL directly. Len * There's no place like 127.0.0.1 -Original Message- From: Bill Owens [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 19, 2003 1:40 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: there's one born every minute Hey Wheatfield,

Re: there's one born every minute

2003-12-19 Thread Shel Belinkoff
A scam? He's selling information and he made it perfectly clear what he's doing. And, if the buyer can really purchase the camera for the noted price, with reasonable shipping, it would be possible to buy a few for resale and start turning a profit. Buying a camera or lens box can be a very

Re: there's one born every minute

2003-12-19 Thread Shel Belinkoff
Well, the seller did say that with the information the buyer could turn a profit. You've seen that quite clearly ... Amita Guha wrote: Dunno if it's technically a scam; he says right up front that you're not getting an actual Rebel. If I were that kind of jerk, I'd put up a bunch of

RE: there's one born every minute

2003-12-19 Thread Len Paris
Yeah, just look at the list of bidders! You've got to admire the audacity of the seller. He's done nothing illegal. Unethical? Maybe. There've been bunches of these kinds of autions pulled before. Usually works best with new released gear that is hard to get at the stores. But, I see EOS 300D

RE: there's one born every minute

2003-12-19 Thread Len Paris
Collectors buy camera boxes. Len * There's no place like 127.0.0.1 -Original Message- From: Robert Leigh Woerner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 19, 2003 1:56 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: there's one born every minute It is still a scam and the

Re: there's one born every minute

2003-12-19 Thread Shel Belinkoff
http://www.streetprices.com/Electronics/Digital_Cameras/6.3_Megapixels/SP1197239.html?sortdetail=sortdetailbylowprice%2F Len Paris wrote: He probably could have googled for the URL directly. Len * There's no place like 127.0.0.1

Re: A 70-210/4 - Focus Ring Looseness

2003-12-19 Thread John Coyle
That's cool Collin, I have exactly the same issue with my newly acquired one! John Coyle Brisbane, Australia - Original Message - From: Collin R Brendemuehl [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 19, 2003 9:48 PM Subject: Re: A 70-210/4 - Focus Ring Looseness

Re: A 70-210/4 - Focus Ring Looseness

2003-12-19 Thread Kostas Kavoussanakis
On Fri, 19 Dec 2003, Donald A. Morrison wrote: In message [EMAIL PROTECTED] Collin R Brendemuehl [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 23:10 2003.12.18 -0500, you wrote: A lens maintenance has become a specialty of mine. I have one and had to do the same fix to it. Take off the

Re: A 70-210/4 - Focus Ring Looseness

2003-12-19 Thread brooksdj
I'll have to look into my lens shen i get home.I still cannot remember any rubber. Dave(senior moments R us)Brooks I tried this and it worked superbly, I was quite surprised how little tightening the screws required to achieve the desired effect. The

Re: Santa Pics

2003-12-19 Thread Bruce Dayton
Hello Pieter, Thanks for pointing that out. The idea makes lots of sense. Something to test and try out for sure. Certainly, potential issues are the opportunity to shoot/review/shoot may not be there in faster moving situations. Also the need and amount of post-processing may increase. On a

RE: there's one born every minute

2003-12-19 Thread Amita Guha
Nate found a thread about this auction on DPreview: http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1031message=7000753 Someone posted a link to the actual website, which is ExpressCameras.com, and others said that it is an awful dealer that tries to make a profit on things that should be

RE: Re[2]: Santa Pics

2003-12-19 Thread tom
-Original Message- From: Pieter Nagel [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Fri, Dec 19, 2003 at 12:05:37PM +, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My question still stands: Is it better to slightly underexpose on the DSLR? -- Best regards, Bruce I think so Bruce.You have a

RE: Santa Pics

2003-12-19 Thread tom
-Original Message- From: Bruce Dayton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Tom, I would be very curious to find out your general workflow of editing a wedding after downloading from the cards. What tools, what order, etc. - Use BB Downloader Pro to download the cards, renaming along the

RE: Re[2]: Santa Pics

2003-12-19 Thread Len Paris
Yes it is best to slightly underexpose on the DSLR. Keeps the threat of blown out (over-exposed) highlights down. Blown out highlights translate to no ink on paper, completely lacking in detail. Under-exposure can usually be made to print normally with a little correction. Len * There's no

RE: Re[2]: Santa Pics

2003-12-19 Thread Len Paris
According to Epson, and the pros that run their Print Academy, if you shoot in RAW, you can squeeze out an 11 stop range. I'm trying but it does take some work to get that good. By the way, they get those results using Photoshop 7 and the Epson 2200. Len * There's no place like 127.0.0.1

Re: Re[2]: Santa Pics

2003-12-19 Thread Herb Chong
you don't understand the assertion nor the article. they are saying the same thing. don't overexpose in digital. Herb - Original Message - From: Pieter Nagel [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 19, 2003 2:34 PM Subject: Re: Re[2]: Santa Pics A dissenting

RE: Lousy Printing

2003-12-19 Thread Rob Brigham
Been there, done that with Jessops. Never again... I feel your pain! -Original Message- From: Peter Jordan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 19 December 2003 23:15 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: OT: Lousy Printing I had a sad task to carry out last week. My neighbours 20

Re: Digital SLR in the Amazon basin

2003-12-19 Thread Herb Chong
i doubt power was the problem with solar powered chargers. Herb... - Original Message - From: Jostein [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 19, 2003 4:46 PM Subject: Digital SLR in the Amazon basin Folks, A week ago I saw a projected show by a Norwegian PJ

Re: Re[2]: Santa Pics

2003-12-19 Thread Jon Glass
on 12/19/03 2:59 AM, Bruce Dayton at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My question still stands: Is it better to slightly underexpose on the DSLR? Well, according to what I read on Luminous Landscape (dot-com) you want to expose to the right of the histogram, or to greater exposure side, but without

RE: there's one born every minute

2003-12-19 Thread Bob Rapp
If the buyer was a little more astute, he could have saved himself heap of money with a BIN http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemcategory=48539item=2973781218 Bob -Original Message- From: Len Paris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Holy shirt! That must be the stupidest person still

Re[2]: Santa Pics

2003-12-19 Thread Bruce Dayton
Kids? I didn't see any kids! Where were they? vbg Bruce Thursday, December 18, 2003, 3:42:06 PM, you wrote: TMP Bruce, I just looked at that site - are ALL of those kids in your FAMILY?!?! TMP OMG, the Daytons are a very busy mob aren't they?!?! TMP tan.

Re: Re[2]: Santa Picsy

2003-12-19 Thread Pieter Nagel
On Fri, Dec 19, 2003 at 07:20:42PM -0500, Herb Chong wrote: you don't understand the assertion nor the article. they are saying the same thing. don't overexpose in digital. The article says: get as close as you can to overexposing, cause that is good, but don't burn out the highlights, cause

Re: Re[2]: Santa Picsy

2003-12-19 Thread Herb Chong
who said that? Herb - Original Message - From: Pieter Nagel [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 19, 2003 8:13 PM Subject: Re: Re[2]: Santa Picsy Other people in this thread said; burning out the highlights is very bad, so stay as far away as you can

unsubscribe

2003-12-19 Thread jmb
Will be on vacation on the road for a while. See you next year! Merry Christmas and Happy New Year

Re: Bloody Aussies and their long posts

2003-12-19 Thread Ryan Lee
Dude I was going to but I couldn't get past your poster ;-) - Original Message - From: Cotty [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: pentax list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, December 20, 2003 5:29 AM Subject: Re: Bloody Aussies and their long posts On 18/12/03, [EMAIL PROTECTED] disgorged: Yes,

RE: Bloody Aussies and their long posts

2003-12-19 Thread Bob Rapp
As all Poms, they can get arrogant! Especially after England finally won a Rugby Word Cup - of course there in no mention of the Rugby League side. Cheers, Bob -Original Message- From: Ryan Lee [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, 20 December 2003 3:05 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

RE: Re[2]: A 70-210/4 - Focus Ring Looseness

2003-12-19 Thread Alan Chan
Right, but they are similar enough to confuse lots of people. In fact, there are 3 versions: - SMC PENTAX-A 70-210/4 - PENTAX-A 70-200/4 - TAKUMAR-A 70-200/4 Yours regards, Alan Chan http://www.pbase.com/wlachan there are 2 versions of this lens. One is an SMC version, and the other is not SMC.