RE: Coming to terms with *ist D lens mag factor?

2003-12-24 Thread Len Paris
Was he a pediatrician or a pediatrist? Len * There's no place like 127.0.0.1 -Original Message- From: Cotty [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 24, 2003 3:01 AM To: pentax list Subject: Re: Coming to terms with *ist D lens mag factor? On 23/12/03, [EMAIL

Re: What do you think?

2003-12-24 Thread Anthony Farr
- Original Message - From: William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED] (snip) This is why I am giving colour print film 5 years before it mostly goes away. William Robb Don't a lot of countries have a ten year support rule for newly sold products? I thought that was the reason the LX is

Re: No More Light Leak

2003-12-24 Thread handmaid
But now I can't sleep for worrying how that back got distorted in the first place; what horrendous blow buckled the back. What cruel owner dropped the LX from such a height (with the back open mind you) for it to smash onto a concrete floor on its open back. What damage was done to the shutter

Re: What do you think?

2003-12-24 Thread Bob Walkden
Hi, that would not be a very clever argument. It would imply that the camera makers such as Pentax also had to be film makers. Or that kitchen equipment makers also had to be food retailers; printer manufacturers would have to be paper makers. Law-makers would have to be Fagins. Cup makers would

RE: Slightly Dodgy looking Auction

2003-12-24 Thread Malcolm Smith
Tanya Mayer wrote: You know what - in this instance, I think I believe the poor guy. I still wouldn't part with any $$$ BUT, it does make me wonder if he wasn't completely genuine. I would say that his main mistake was listing without a reserve price, having had no feedback. There

Re: What do you think?

2003-12-24 Thread Anthony Farr
Not at all, Bob. The specialist camera makers can shelter under the umbrella of the film and camera manufacturers. So long as Kodak and Fuji sell film cameras the ~hardware only~ manufacturers can rest assured that film will be available for the required period. But on the day that no film

Re: Slightly Dodgy looking Auction

2003-12-24 Thread Cotty
On 24/12/03, [EMAIL PROTECTED] disgorged: Sorry Kenneth, I might be a bit lacking in the geography department here, so the joke hasn't hit its target... What is the name of the bridge that you are referring to? Um, well we in New YAWK actually call it the Brooklyn Bridge :) I could

Re: What do you think?

2003-12-24 Thread Bob Walkden
Hi, no serious business is going to hang large parts of their future income on that kind of fragile dependency or by sheltering under some other company's umbrella. It would be impossible to plan for longer than the very shortest term if they had to keep looking up to see if Kodak Fuji were

Re: Pentax Annual 2003

2003-12-24 Thread Keith Whaley
I thought it was great! You go in fully expecting to not be able to read it, and can't. I've seen a ton of similar Japanese pages, and just look at the pictures, so this didn't surprise me. Until, all of a sudden I found I could read something! What?! Then it all immediately became clear! What a

Re: Coming to terms with *ist D lens mag factor?

2003-12-24 Thread Herb Chong
highly unlikely for a long time to come. if they can make a full frame sensor camera at an affordable price, they will be able to make an APS frame sensor at a much cheaper price. if the sensor also delivers as low noise as current APS sensors at about 8-10 megapixels, it will completely replace

Re: Coming to terms with *ist D lens mag factor?

2003-12-24 Thread Kevin Waterson
This one time, at band camp, Herb Chong [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: highly unlikely for a long time to come. if they can make a full frame sensor camera at an affordable price, they will be able to make an APS frame sensor at a much cheaper price. if the sensor also delivers as low noise as

~Re: What do you think?

2003-12-24 Thread Anthony Farr
Bob, No argument from me that film will be easy to find, it will be at the back of the store or behind the counter in all likelihood, perhaps even by special order only in many stores. Did you read the article at http://apnews.excite.com/article/20031223/D7VK80IO0.html that kicked off this

Re: What do you think?

2003-12-24 Thread Otis Wright
Like I said, while Kodak and Fuji sell film ~cameras~, film has ten years minimum life expectancy. regards, Anthony Farr But it might not be much of a life. Forcing the supply of film doesn't mean it will be of the type and quality you want.

Re: Coming to terms with *ist D lens mag factor?

2003-12-24 Thread Thomas Stach
Hello, if you think large chips are going to replace medium-format, why then not make a body in MF-style (cubic body with perhaps interchangeable backs for digi 35mm-film, interchangeable viewfinders like prism and waistlevel of course) that takes 35mm lenses? There once was the Rollei 3003 in

Re: Coming to terms with *ist D lens mag factor?

2003-12-24 Thread Mark Roberts
Chris Brogden [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, 23 Dec 2003, Shel Belinkoff wrote: Y'know, it's funny how, when using other formats, rarely is it said that an 80mm lens for a 6x6 is equivalent to a 50mm lens for a 35mm camera. When's the last time you heard a 4x5 user ask What's that lens in

Re: What do you think?

2003-12-24 Thread Mark Roberts
Collin Brendemuehl [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The future of film from Kodak Fuji: http://apnews.excite.com/article/20031223/D7VK80IO0.html Well, there's nothing in this article that's actually *wrong*, in my opinion, but I think the time frames mentioned are very optimistic in terms of how long

Re: Coming to terms with *ist D lens mag factor?

2003-12-24 Thread Mark Roberts
Kevin Waterson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This one time, at band camp, Herb Chong [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: highly unlikely for a long time to come. if they can make a full frame sensor camera at an affordable price, they will be able to make an APS frame sensor at a much cheaper price. if the

Re: OT - Decerebrate Turnip

2003-12-24 Thread Peter Jordan
There is a town in Southern Germany called, Wank. JFK got gently laughed at for his famous Ich bin ein Berliner line. (In German a Berliner is a doughnut.) It's a pity (insert name of least favourite politician here) doesn't go to Wank and tell the world what they already know. Peter -

Re: Christmas greetings...

2003-12-24 Thread frank theriault
Hmm... I've got an MX, and of late (as you all know), now an LX. It doesn't get any better Pentax than that, does it? vbg Thanks for the thoughts, Alin. All the best to your and yours. merry Christmas, frank The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears

Re: Slightly Dodgy looking Auction

2003-12-24 Thread Ann Sanfedele
Cotty wrote: On 24/12/03, [EMAIL PROTECTED] disgorged: ... Tanya, there is also a country song in our part of the globe where there is a line I have ocean front property in Arizona Time for you to google :) annsan Speaking of which, I could sell you a bridge in Arizona -d'oh! I

Re: Merry Christmas and Pentastic New Year

2003-12-24 Thread frank theriault
Snail mail cards? What are those? Somehow my snail-mail output has lowered dramatically since I got a computer. Hooray for e-cards! All the best to you and yours, E.R.N.!! See you @ GFM! g merry Christmas, frank The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist

Re: No More Light Leak

2003-12-24 Thread frank theriault
Uh, that would be Vic, of this list, who sold it to me... The rest of the camera seems just fine, thank the Pentax Gods. Vic doesn't recall any bad things happening to the camera, and I believe him. I think that a camera (especially if it has a big lens on) would have enough weight that if,

Re: What do you think?

2003-12-24 Thread Bob Walkden
Hi, Wednesday, December 24, 2003, 1:01:36 PM, you wrote: More importantly to serious photography enthusiasts like ourselves is the matter of *what* film remains available. As high-end photography goes almost exclusively digital, I'd expect the film emulsions that remain in production to be

Re: Coming to terms with *ist D lens mag factor?

2003-12-24 Thread Steve Larson
Now that`s a digital camera! I wonder how big you could go with that, 4ft.X 6ft.? Steve Larson Redondo Beach, California Mark Roberts Heck, that's only a 24 x 36 mm sensor! That ain't nuthin' compared to this 37 x 52 mm beauty: http://www.dpreview.com/news/0312/03121901fujifilmback.asp

Vs: OT - Decerebrate Turnip

2003-12-24 Thread Raimo Korhonen
What is Berliner Weisse, then? Season´s Greetings! Raimo Personal photography homepage at http://www.uusikaupunki.fi/~raikorho -Alkuperäinen viesti- Lähettäjä: Peter Jordan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Vastaanottaja: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Päivä: 24. joulukuuta 2003 14:09 Aihe: Re: OT -

Re: What do you think?

2003-12-24 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: Anthony Farr Subject: Re: What do you think? Don't a lot of countries have a ten year support rule for newly sold products? I thought that was the reason the LX is still fully serviced by Pentax but M and A series camera bodies are no longer serviced by

Best wishes to all

2003-12-24 Thread Kevin Waterson
In the spirit of the season, regardless of your faith, I extend to all best wishes and good fortune in the coming year. Here is quick peak inside my home at our tree (decorated by the kids themselves) http://220.240.55.75/xmas.jpg May your God bless you all Kevin -- __

Re: What do you think?

2003-12-24 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: Bob Walkden Subject: Re: What do you think? I take a different view. Consumer photography, and probably most professional photography, will quickly become exclusively digital, for all intents and purposes. Film photography is likely to be more like BW

Re: Coming to terms with *ist D lens mag factor?

2003-12-24 Thread graywolf
I have decided to introduce a device which will double the focal length of any 135 format lens with no reduction of f-stop. I consists of a thin metal plate with a 12x18mm hole in the middle. You simply insert it into the film gate under the film in any 35mm camera. 'Nuff said? -- William

May all have a great day!

2003-12-24 Thread Rob Brigham
Whether celebrating or not, I hope everybody has a good one tomorrow! See y'all in the new year...

Christmas greetings

2003-12-24 Thread Lasse Karlsson
I wish you all a peaceful Christmas. Lasse

Re: New Pentax cameras

2003-12-24 Thread Steve Desjardins
Of course, in camera IS would only work with the digital cameras, but that seems to be the way of the world right now. Steven Desjardins Department of Chemistry Washington and Lee University Lexington, VA 24450 (540) 458-8873 FAX: (540) 458-8878 [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: More lens problems.

2003-12-24 Thread Steve Desjardins
After speaking with Pentax USA and having no luck cleaning the contacts, I'm going to send them the *istD body and the FA 50, FA 100 macro, and the FA 135. Although it seems funny, they still think it might be the lenses even though they work on the MZ-S and the ZX-7. What really confused them

Re: Seasons Greetings

2003-12-24 Thread Francis Alviar
I would like to wish one and all a Very Merry Christmas and a Wonderful New Year. May the new year bring you lots of peace, joy, happiness, wealth, and love. And most importantly may it enable you to acquire your Pentax pieces and keep shooting. Francis M. Alviar

Re: Coming to terms with *ist D lens mag factor?

2003-12-24 Thread graywolf
Hum? I figure that 127 is the equivalent of a 31mm on 135 camera. And the 105 is the equivalent of a 46mm. I have always found it strange that people do this stuff, because one works differently in different formats, one tends to use much closer points of view with a large format camera and

Re: Coming to terms with *ist D lens mag factor?

2003-12-24 Thread Steve Jolly
Mark Roberts wrote: There's an inexorable trend for sensors to increase in size and decrease in price. A 24x36mm chunk of silicon wafer will always be a 24x36mm chunk of silicon wafer, and there's no real reason that I can see to expect the price of silicon to plummet. Yields will probably go

Re: What do you think?

2003-12-24 Thread brooksdj
I think you hit the nail on the head here,Bill(ohhh poor nailg) So far my 2.74meg D1 is producing nice,saleable prints and my clients are very happyy to have same hour service. Hopefully the D2H will live up to its claims if i can get one next year. I too am sticking with BW film as i am not

Re: What do you think?

2003-12-24 Thread graywolf
50 years ago companies in the US were required to support their products for a minimum of 7 years after production ceased. I do not think that is so any longer. Strangely, we seem to have quietly done away with most of the consumer protection laws here in the US during the past couple of

Christmas greetings

2003-12-24 Thread Pentaximees
http://home.delfi.ee/tiikmaa/files/joul/ Raivo from Estonia :o)

Re: What do you think?

2003-12-24 Thread Anthony Farr
- Original Message - From: William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED] (earlier post snipped) I did say mostly goes away, you seem to have translated that into completely goes away in your post. Anyway, it's seven years in North America, I believe. But how is support defined? The market is

MAAARY CHRITMOO...

2003-12-24 Thread Tanya Mayer Photography
Well, it has been Christmas day here for exactly 1 hour and 36 minutes. I have finished playing Santa, blown up a jumping castle, wrapped many presents, filled the Santa Claus Pinata, nibbled the cookies and tipped Santa's milk down the sink, emptied the water left out for the reindeer and we

Re: More lens problems.

2003-12-24 Thread John Mustarde
On Wed, 24 Dec 2003 10:13:03 -0500, you wrote: After speaking with Pentax USA and having no luck cleaning the contacts, I'm going to send them the *istD body and the FA 50, FA 100 macro, and the FA 135. Although it seems funny, they still think it might be the lenses even though they work on the

Re: Coming to terms with *ist D lens mag factor?

2003-12-24 Thread Steve Desjardins
A very big if. More to the point. would they release a FF camera and stop producing APS? I don't think of the APS sensor as a stop gap. I think it's a new format thet will persist for a long time. Steven Desjardins Department of Chemistry Washington and Lee University Lexington, VA 24450

Re: Merry Christmas and Pentastic New Year

2003-12-24 Thread Michel Carrère-Gée
Merry Christmas and a very Pentastic New Year. ... Joyeux Noêl et bonne année à tous. Bonjour de France Michel

Re:eBay insurance [was: More lens problems.]

2003-12-24 Thread Robert Chiasson
I'm a lurker here (but I have a Pentax Program Plus) and have been using eBay for 3 years. If your eBay buyer refuses insurance, he's on his own, then? I don't see when you're responsible to make up for his cheapness. If you hadn't offered insurance, then that would be different. Did you keep a

Re: Coming to terms with *ist D lens mag factor?

2003-12-24 Thread Robert Chiasson
This is what I believe. Manufactures like to have an experimental run that can be walked away from in case of problems before committing to new technology, and that's how I view the entire APS experiment - just proving the manufacturing technology for future purposes. Yes they are rumoured to have

Re: Holiday wishes from the List Guy

2003-12-24 Thread graywolf
And, thank you, Doug, for keeping the list going for all of us. Happy Yuletide. Doug Brewer wrote: Just a quick note to thank you all for your contributions to the list and keeping me entertained for another year. Whatever your persuasion, I hope this is a joyous season for you and yours.

Re: MAAARY CHRITMOO...

2003-12-24 Thread Anders Hultman
Tanya Mayer Photography: Well, it has been Christmas day here for exactly 1 hour and 36 minutes. Over here, Christmas is almost over. We celebrate on the 24th you see. anders - http://anders.hultman.nu/

Re: Coming to terms with *ist D lens mag factor?

2003-12-24 Thread Steve Desjardins
I don't see why this is implied by the APS sensor. 35 mm style bodies can take both APS and FF sensors. They may make a 24x36 sensor back for a 645 camera so that MF cameras can have both film and digital and so that back will be cheaper than a full 645 sized sensor. All I'm saying is that

Merry Xmas- NORAD tracks Santa

2003-12-24 Thread Steve Desjardins
I hope everyone has a nice holiday season. And those of you that don't believe in Santa should check out the NORAD Santa-tracking website at http://www.noradsanta.org/ They dutifully report his appearance and progress through North American air space every year.

Re: Holiday wishes from the List Guy

2003-12-24 Thread Otis Wright
Many thank to you, Doug. Merry Christmas.. Otis Wright Doug Brewer wrote: Just a quick note to thank you all for your contributions to the list and keeping me entertained for another year. Whatever your persuasion, I hope this is a joyous season for you and yours. Doug

RE: pentax service questions

2003-12-24 Thread tom
-Original Message- From: alex wetmore [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] I called Pentax Service and just got a recording telling me to mail the camera to them with a note of what went wrong and my return address and a telephone number. Is this their normal service model? Yeah. You can

Vs: Vs: OT - Decerebrate Turnip

2003-12-24 Thread Raimo Korhonen
You could not be more wrong - although wheat is correct. All the best! Raimo Personal photography homepage at http://www.uusikaupunki.fi/~raikorho -Alkuperäinen viesti- Lähettäjä: Leonard Paris [EMAIL PROTECTED] Vastaanottaja: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Päivä: 24. joulukuuta 2003

how do you protect your work from inferior copies?

2003-12-24 Thread Tom Reese
I shot some B G portraits a little while ago at cost as a favor to a photographer friend. I was very pleased with the pictures as were the B G. I was going to give the B G the professional lab enlargements at cost too. I hoped to get a few more portrait jobs out of the assignment through word

Re: how do you protect your work from inferior copies?

2003-12-24 Thread mike wilson
Hi, Tom Reese wrote: I shot some B G portraits a little while ago at cost as a favor to a photographer friend. I was very pleased with the pictures as were the B G. I was going to give the B G the professional lab enlargements at cost too. I hoped to get a few more portrait jobs out of

RE: how do you protect your work from inferior copies?

2003-12-24 Thread tom
-Original Message- From: Tom Reese [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] The numbskull (deleted much stronger verbiage) bride took the 5x5 proofs to some jiffy print outfit and scanned them then got enlargements made from the scans to save a few dollars. I feel your pain. I used to think

Re[2]: how do you protect your work from inferior copies?

2003-12-24 Thread Bruce Dayton
Not an easy thing to deal with. Cheap people are just cheap! One route that I have gone is to quit trying to make money on the prints and just charge up front for the job/time. I get no quibbles about people valuing my time and skills. One real problem of this digital age is that it has

RE: Re[2]: how do you protect your work from inferior copies?

2003-12-24 Thread tom
-Original Message- From: Bruce Dayton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Not an easy thing to deal with. Cheap people are just cheap! One route that I have gone is to quit trying to make money on the prints and just charge up front for the job/time. The only quibble I have with this is

Re: What do you think?

2003-12-24 Thread Paul Stenquist
On Dec 24, 2003, at 8:01 AM, Mark Roberts wrote: More importantly to serious photography enthusiasts like ourselves is the matter of *what* film remains available. As high-end photography goes almost exclusively digital, I'd expect the film emulsions that remain in production to be those made

Re: What do you think?

2003-12-24 Thread Mark Roberts
William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Processing availablity will be the killer for colour negative film, as you say. As film volumes start to drop, players will start to get out of the processing game. They won't have any choice. Processors require a certain minimum volume of product to maintain

Re: Coming to terms with *ist D lens mag factor?

2003-12-24 Thread Paul Stenquist
If memory serves me right, a 127 on a 4x5 is much tighter than a 31 mm on a 35 mm camera.. But i'll have to get out both cameras and do some visual comparisons to be sure. In any case, the reason photographers tend to communicate in terms of 35mm focal lengths is because the customers

Re: What do you think?

2003-12-24 Thread Paul Stenquist
I don't know if it applies to all US industries, but car companies have to support product for fifteen years. On Dec 24, 2003, at 10:35 AM, graywolf wrote: 50 years ago companies in the US were required to support their products for a minimum of 7 years after production ceased. I do not think

Re: MAAARY CHRITMOO...

2003-12-24 Thread Paul Stenquist
Merry Christmas to you and yours Tanya. I was especially taken by your remark that you will all be getting sunburnt. I spent New Years down under one year, and it was just a mind blowing experience. It kind of reverses one's whole perspective. Have a great day. I hope all your children sleep

Happy Holidays to All

2003-12-24 Thread Paul Stenquist
Whether you celebrate Christmas, Chanukah or another holiday, I hope you have a great one. This is my fifth holiday season as a list member, and I've come to enjoy the company of this cyberspace family very much. Best wishes to all. Paul Stenquist

Re: how do you protect your work from inferior copies?

2003-12-24 Thread Paul Stenquist
I've been burned in a similar way many times. i don't give a shit. Let them have crap if they want it. I make the pictures. If they want good prints I'll provide them. If they want xerox copies, the hell with them. paul On Dec 24, 2003, at 3:00 PM, Tom Reese wrote: I shot some B G portraits a

Re: Coming to terms with *ist D lens mag factor?

2003-12-24 Thread Mark Roberts
Steve Jolly [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mark Roberts wrote: There's an inexorable trend for sensors to increase in size and decrease in price. A 24x36mm chunk of silicon wafer will always be a 24x36mm chunk of silicon wafer, and there's no real reason that I can see to expect the price of

Re[4]: how do you protect your work from inferior copies?

2003-12-24 Thread Bruce Dayton
On a wedding I do charge extra to deal with the order processing. In general I have found little to no resistance to clients understanding that they should be paying for a service. The service is to take the wedding photos or family portraits. Most of them are quite happy to see the breakout of

Re: Vs: OT - Decerebrate Turnip

2003-12-24 Thread Tom Ivar Helbekkmo
Leonard Paris [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: What is Berliner Weisse, then? Wheat flour used for making doughnuts? Wheat is right, but it's beer, not flour. :-) -tih -- Tom Ivar Helbekkmo, Senior System Administrator, EUnet Norway www.eunet.no T: +47-22092958 M: +47-93013940 F: +47-22092901

Re: Coming to terms with *ist D lens mag factor?

2003-12-24 Thread Herb Chong
if you have sensor capable of full medium format quality, why would you want to have an interchangeable back for 35mm film? the number of people wanting such would be vanishingly small which means very high price. Herb... - Original Message - From: Thomas Stach [EMAIL PROTECTED] To:

Re: What do you think?

2003-12-24 Thread Herb Chong
does high margin mean double, triple, or more for your cost of a roll of film plus processing? Herb - Original Message - From: Bob Walkden [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 24, 2003 8:32 AM Subject: Re: What do you think? I take a different view.

Re: Coming to terms with *ist D lens mag factor?

2003-12-24 Thread Herb Chong
planning a several billion dollar experiment just to test the waters isn't in the realm of what most corporations can afford, even spread over 10 years. RD costs are substantial and building a manufacturing line isn't cheap. the Olympus E-1 is such an experiment and i think it is unlikely to

Re: Coming to terms with *ist D lens mag factor?

2003-12-24 Thread Herb Chong
the incremental cost for a full frame sensor in medium format is a lot less than for a 35mm system. Herb - Original Message - From: Steve Larson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 24, 2003 12:34 PM Subject: Re: Coming to terms with *ist D lens mag

Re: Coming to terms with *ist D lens mag factor?

2003-12-24 Thread Herb Chong
think of the opportunities they never captured because they locked themselves in to one FOV. i have 35mm lenses covering from 15mm to 500mm and there are many things i do that are simply impossible without such a range. i'm not a niche photographer. Herb - Original Message - From:

Re: how do you protect your work from inferior copies?

2003-12-24 Thread Herb Chong
what did your contract say? if your contract doesn't forbid this, you have no legal recourse. if you have no contract doing work for hire Herb - Original Message - From: Tom Reese [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 24, 2003 3:00 PM Subject: how do

Re: What do you think?

2003-12-24 Thread Herb Chong
that to me says they don't know how to use their digital camera tools adequately yet. if they are happy with the resolution of current digital solutions, you can simulate the rest of film's characteristics digitally. Herb - Original Message - From: Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Coming to terms with *ist D lens mag factor?

2003-12-24 Thread Kevin Waterson
This one time, at band camp, Herb Chong [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: think of the opportunities they never captured because they locked themselves in to one FOV. i have 35mm lenses covering from 15mm to 500mm and there are many things i do that are simply impossible without such a range. i'm not

RE: pentax service questions

2003-12-24 Thread Alan Chan
I don't have this camera but usually the CF door should be easy to remove. If you can do this yourself, it might be better to buy a new piece from them and fix it yourself. Parts like this should be cheap. Yours regards, Alan Chan http://www.pbase.com/wlachan My *ist D had an accidental meeting

RE: how do you protect your work from inferior copies?

2003-12-24 Thread Cotty
On 24/12/03, [EMAIL PROTECTED] disgorged: The numbskull (deleted much stronger verbiage) bride took the 5x5 proofs to some jiffy print outfit and scanned them then got enlargements made from the scans to save a few dollars. I feel your pain. I used to think b+g's were just cheap, but I

Season's Greetings

2003-12-24 Thread John Coyle
For those who celebrate Christmas, have a happy one: for those who don't, may this time of year be happy and joyful for you too. For all, now is the time when family is the most important thing of all. John Coyle (This may be the first message written on Christmas Day itself, with the advantage

Re: What do you think?

2003-12-24 Thread Paul Stenquist
On Dec 24, 2003, at 5:23 PM, Herb Chong wrote: does high margin mean double, triple, or more for your cost of a roll of film plus processing? I don't thinks so. The film manufacturers will still want to achieve decent volume. And since they've eliminated RD, the technology is already paid

Re: Happy Holidays to All

2003-12-24 Thread Ann Sanfedele
Paul Stenquist wrote: Whether you celebrate Christmas, Chanukah or another holiday, I hope you have a great one. This is my fifth holiday season as a list member, and I've come to enjoy the company of this cyberspace family very much. Best wishes to all. Paul Stenquist Very sweetly put,

Re: Holiday wishes from the List Guy

2003-12-24 Thread Pat White
Many thanks, Doug, for your work in maintaining this forum for a pretty motley community of camera and photo enthusiasts. Your work is really appreciated. As well, best wishes to you and yours for a great Christmas and a wonderful New Year! Pat White

Re: Coming to terms with *ist D lens mag factor?

2003-12-24 Thread Robert Gonzalez
Thats a big if. Whats not a big if is that I have an *istD now with no prime under 85mm and one zoom 15-30 that work with the camera. So I don't need to buy a bunch of new lenses, I need at least one lens somewhere around 28-50 mm to fill that gap. rg Kevin Waterson wrote: This one time, at

Re: how do you protect your work from inferior copies?

2003-12-24 Thread Pat White
Most wedding pros here only let the BG take away the proofs if they've bought them. They select the ones for enlargement at the studio precisely to discourage scanning and cheap copies. I assume your proofs had your copyright stamp on the back. Most one-hour photo places won't copy copyrighted

Re: Happy Holidays to All

2003-12-24 Thread Paul Stenquist
On Dec 24, 2003, at 6:25 PM, Ann Sanfedele wrote:. back to the kitchen and the duck now... annsan Hi Ann, Good luck with the duck. I love duck, particularly as served at Shun Lee Palace on 53rd Street. I'm doing a goose this year. I've eaten goose in Germany serveral times and always enjoyed

Re: how do you protect your work from inferior copies?

2003-12-24 Thread Chris Brogden
On Wed, 24 Dec 2003, Tom Reese wrote: The numbskull (deleted much stronger verbiage) bride took the 5x5 proofs to some jiffy print outfit and scanned them then got enlargements made from the scans to save a few dollars. This is illegal. No lab should ever make prints from wedding proofs if

Re: A Safe Happy Christmas

2003-12-24 Thread Chris Brogden
On Thu, 25 Dec 2003, Anthony Farr wrote: If you fancy too much to drink, please don't drive. If you need to drive, please don't drink too much. I'll be drinking Hahn Premium Lite, a low alcohol Lager brewed in Sydney, and I'll raise my first one to the folks at the PDML in about eight hours

Re: how do you protect your work from inferior copies?

2003-12-24 Thread Robert Chiasson
When I did a few weddings back in the 70's (along with my normal PR work), he who paid for the job owned the copyright, but he who did the shooting owned the negatives as part of the artistic process (without right to reproduce, unless he had a model telease). So I guess it comes down to what's

Re: how do you protect your work from inferior copies?

2003-12-24 Thread graywolf
Been there, done that, never got no effing tee shirt. I feel your pain, but found out it is lot better to work for people who say, That's resonable. Not cheap, but reasonable. as did one of my first corporate clients way back when. Just something one has to learn from experience, I guess. --

Re: Slightly Dodgy looking Auction

2003-12-24 Thread Ann Sanfedele
graywolf wrote: Old American joke. The Brooklyn Bridge between Manhattan island and Brooklyn was started in 1867 just after the Civil War and not completed until 1883. There were many people killed in the construction of it including the designer. Most of them from a mysterious caission

Re: What do you think?

2003-12-24 Thread Otis Wright
What are you including in costs. Direct, burdened, GA, RD deprec. etc. Otis Wright Herb Chong wrote: does high margin mean double, triple, or more for your cost of a roll of film plus processing? Herb - Original Message - From: Bob Walkden [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: how do you protect your work from inferior copies?

2003-12-24 Thread graywolf
I recommend doing it as TV says, charge a service fee for you work, I charge $1000 (or whatever) to shoot a wedding which covers my time, equipment, my assistant, film, processing, and proofs. Then let them do what they want with the negatives, one of the the options being for you to get

Re: What do you think?

2003-12-24 Thread graywolf
Hell, even the junk yards mostly don't support cars more than 7 years old anymore. There are parts for my '94 S-10 Blazer that you can not get anywhere. Couldn't get soom trim parts even 4 years ago and had to fabricate something to substitute. Luckily most of the drive train parts are still

Re: What do you think?

2003-12-24 Thread Jim Apilado
A friend just came home to visit from Japan. He showed me his new camera. A digital? No. An APS camera. He loves the prints it makes. I couldn't believe he hadn't gone digital since digital is all the rage nowadays. Jim A. From: Herb Chong [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: What do you think?

2003-12-24 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: Anthony Farr Subject: Re: What do you think? I would expect to see a continuing supply of pro films from them Fuji, for the statutory period of support. I wouldn't, based on Fuji's history in the market. Fuji is a high volume market company. They

Re: how do you protect your work from inferior copies?

2003-12-24 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: Chris Brogden Subject: Re: how do you protect your work from inferior copies? How does the work for hire law work in Canada and the US? Does the photographer automatically get copyright for her work, or does she have to specify in the contract that she

Re: Processing color negative film

2003-12-24 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: Dave Miers Subject: Processing color negative film Hi All this talk of film getting harder and harder to get processing has made me think that maybe I should pursue this idea of mine to process my own. I only need to process the film into negatives and

Re: how do you protect your work from inferior copies?

2003-12-24 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: Tom Reese Subject: how do you protect your work from inferior copies? I have come to the conclusion that the casual photographer can no longer protect his copy rights in any meaningful way. I haven't bothered trying for at least 10 years. I just hand over the

Epson 3200 (was: New Scanner)

2003-12-24 Thread Derby Chang
JC, Sorry for the late response, but I've only just been catching up on PDML mails since Nov. Love the 3200. No big issues with it, scans beautifully. Only minor quibbles: * Wish the 120 film holder could do strips instead of one frame at a time. * The Epson photoshop driver could be better.