Hi!
DT Boris Liberman - In the sand
DT Strange curves in the sand. I don´t really understand it, but that
DT doesn´t matter. I think it would hav been better if the curves in the
DT background had been repeated in the plant front. Or maybe concentrated
DT on the curve in the background.
Thanks
Ah, The Negative goes into great detail on Zone EXPOSURE, not zone
focusing.
Bill
- Original Message -
From: Boris Liberman [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Boris Liberman [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, April 10, 2004 3:02 AM
Subject: Re: Zone Focus - what is it?
Hi!
Thanks!
Jens, I
...Well 29 meters are sertainly much less than 1/3 of distance to infinity,
isn't it ? :-)
Jens Bladt
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-Oprindelig meddelelse-
Fra: William Robb [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sendt: 9. april 2004 20:27
Til: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Emne: Re:
It shouldn't be a big problem.
c should be 1/1200 inch (0.021mm)
Then you simply put in all the values in the formula in inches.
After calculating, transform inches into feet - I think one foot (12 inches)
is 304,8 mm (if 1 inch = 25.4mm) or close to that.
For 6x9 negs CoC (c) should be 1/450
Hi Tan: just got back to read about your problem. If you haven't resolved
it by the time you need to go to the coast, and it helps, my AF330FTZ is
yours for as long as you want it.
Regards
John Coyle
Brisbane, Australia
- Original Message -
From: Tanya Mayer Photography [EMAIL
So in my example with 70mm f22 H = 1000 * (70/22) = 3182mm (3.2m) which is
considerably less than 10.6m...?
All the best
Jens Bladt
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Fra: graywolf [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sendt: 9. april 2004 20:50
Til:
Sorry - Error.
It should have been:
10.6 - 5.3 = 5.3 is less than 1/3 of the distance between 10.6 and infinity
:-)
Jens Bladt
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-Oprindelig meddelelse-
Fra: Jens Bladt [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sendt: 10. april 2004 08:56
Til: [EMAIL
It's almost always best to sell things separately. Just because somebody
wants one item, doesn't mean he'll want all of them, and you are raising
the bar price-wise by lumping them all together, which will exclude lots
of potential bidders.
I have two surplus cameras which I bought on Ebay in
Hi list,
it seems that the komkon server will not come back. I didn't hear from Igor
for quite a time now and I think we have to think about a new home for the
PUG.
Jostein and I are already in the process of defining a new PUG.
Before we go any further in this process which includes reserving a
Is it safe to say that the late SMC Takumar lens formulas became the early SMC Pentax
or K lenses? I've been looking around trying to find out and have seen a few
references, but not for every lens. Boz's site has the K optical formulas, but I
haven't seen a similar site showing the late SMC
Another one off a neg; please excuse any wonky colours. I prefer
scanning slides but as I'm short of time I chose something from a pile
of 10 prints lying on my desk.
http://www.digistar.com/~dmann/cgi-bin/paw.cgi?date=10-Apr-2004
I am *this* close to buying a dedicated monitor for the PC so
First I want to thank you for your time and all your efforts as the PUG
meister.
I'm quite certain now that contributions from the members of this list could
support the hosting of the gallery. If it's really only 250e, that's well
within whit I imagine our means would be.
With a paypal account,
Hi
I am not knowledgebale enough to undertake request number one,but i enjoy the pug each
month,and
appreciate the hard work you both do,but would be willing to assist in part
two(donations).
Dave
Hi list,
it seems that the komkon server will not
Hi Adelheid,
On Sat, 10 Apr 2004 11:30:23 +0200, Adelheid v. K. wrote:
2: The new domain name: I checked pdml-pug.net that's still free.
pug.net isn't.
If you want another name, please check whether it is still free before you
tell the list.
'pdml-pug.net' is fine with me ...
3: If Jostein
By the way that cactus is not a cactus. It's a member of the Liliaeace,
Aloineae (an aloe) -- Haworthia fasciata and it's native to the Karroo in
SA.
D
___
Dr E D F Williams
http://personal.inet.fi/cool/don.williams
Author's Web Site and Photo Gallery
See Extra Pages 'The Cement
Hi Cory,
On Sat, 10 Apr 2004 07:12:22 -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
There IS also the idea that we could have a sponsor or two on the main page,
but I think I like it better if it's self supported.
So do I!
Please, no commercial stuff on the PUG if it can be avoided.
(and I think it can)
Ordinary or not, your timing was very good, and it's well-exposed. All
of which carries it out of the ordinary into the unique.
Apparently no-one else came up with an image that captured the sense of
the moment like you did. You deserved the award...
Good job, keith whaley
Oh Cheng Yu wrote:
- Original Message -
From: Boris Liberman
Subject: Re: Zone Focus - what is it?
Hi!
Thanks!
Jens, I think I knew about the hyper focal distance and Pentax
manual
lens markings... I just did not know it was called also the zone
focus. Thanks for the formulas. I need to memorize
Previous discussions of my PAW from La Jolla Canyon pointed out the
relative harshness of the sahdows. I had mentioned that they could be
reduced with the PhotoShop Shadow/Highlight tool. Here's an example. I
also added a bit of warmth to complement the softer light.
The original is here:
pdml-pug.net is a bit of a mouthful, especially if you're giving someone
the link verbally - how about pentaxgallery.net? (It's free, as is
pentaxgallery.org, pentaxgallery.com etc...)
As far as funding goes, EUR250 sound perfectly feasible given the number
of regular contributors. You could
Is it safe to say that the late SMC Takumar lens formulas became the
early SMC Pentax or K lenses?
Jim
Most are; the few SMC takumar optical formulas that have been
modified are K28/3.5, K35/2 and K300/4. I've read the K17/4 is also
modified but I cannot see the difference from the optical
...Well 29 meters are sertainly much less than 1/3 of distance to infinity,
isn't it ? :-)
Jens Bladt
To figure out that distance, one needs:
A: A powerfull CPU...
B: A call to the NASA...
C: A little taoist thinking...
Andre
Leon - thanks for posting these shots.
Melbourne was the third of three PDML stops on this trip.
Good talk, good vibes in Sydney, Adelaide and Melbourne.
Thanks to all!
We got back late Thursday night, 'tis now Saturday morning
as I write this. Since getting back I have dealt with 2500
spam
Older brother you say? Older? I resemble that remark!
Stan
Cotty wrote:
On 5/4/04, THE ALLINGATOR discumbobulated:
Stan looks horribly distinguished, how'd he get into this group?
LOL. He's *very* well travelled and looks a bit like Indiana Jones' older
brother...
Too damn handsome.
OK, much easier.
But it's difficult to see when infinity will actually be sharp.
I only involve myself in the math in order to get better photographs. I
often miss out on the close by sharpness in a landscape photograph, by
setting the distance to near infinity, which is not at all necasarry.
All
Hi Paul ...
I prefer the adjusted pic because, to my eyes, it looks more
like the scene would in reality, and, more important, the
lighter shadows soften a photo needs a softer look. I also
prefer the warmer colors.
However, I cannot stand the burnt out highlights that are
noticeable on some of
Hi!
My thoughts are between the lines...
AvK 1: Does anybody else want to take over the resposibility for the PUG. It
AvK means: does anyone else wants to be the new PUGmeister?
AvK I am now PUGmeister for over two years. The former PUGmeisters changed after
AvK 18 monts so it might be that
Chris - thanks for posting these! And thanks for arranging
the evening. Good venue, good food, good company - what else
could we ask for!
Frank - I will verify that Rob was in fact hand-holding his
shots that evening, nor any flash in sight. I think it must
be that those with a clear
For some lenses, yes, for others, no.
FYI, the optical formulas presented on Boz's site are interesting and give
some insight into the lens's design, but they are not complete optical
formulas. Lens element and group configurations can be identical, but
designs may still be significantly
Hi Shel. Thanks for the comments. Glad to spread a bit of sunshine. We
have plenty of sun in Detroit, but it's chilly at about 50F.
I'm not seeing any burnt out highlights on my monitor. (This feels like
deja vu all over again :-). I'm running my color space at Generic RGB
because both my
On Sat, 10 Apr 2004 11:30:23 +0200, you wrote:
I think these are enough questions to start the ball rolling.
Cheers
Jostein and Adelheid
I too appreciate your continuing commitment and efforts.
I can live with pdml-pug.net.
Other suggestions: pugphoto and photopug are available.
I am
I will be happy to contribute to a PUG fund. Paypal would make it easy.
Any name is fine with me.
Paul
On Apr 10, 2004, at 11:24 AM, John Mustarde wrote:
On Sat, 10 Apr 2004 11:30:23 +0200, you wrote:
I think these are enough questions to start the ball rolling.
Cheers
Jostein and Adelheid
While Doug Brewer would have to agree, why not pug.pdml.net, and a simple
redirect from pdml.net? Advantages: 1. No extra cost. 2. Clearly connected to
the list.
Also there are far cheaper alternatives than 250 euros. Check out
http://detailhosting.com that is where my website is. They are in
Yes as Paul and others have said,any name is fine with me.
As far as payment,i dont have PP or any other form of e bank,but that can be worked out
when the time comes.$10.00 per is not out of the qestion i think.
Having a financial stake in the PUG, JUST, might make me pay more attention to the
I agree with John. I can send a check, as I don`t do PayPal
either.
Since the site will be paid for by us, could the maximum
photo size be increased to 100 KB?
One last thought, think Pentax might host it?
Steve Larson
Redondo Beach, California
- Original Message -
From: John
Hi Ken -
Did you physically send 49 images?
Yes - prints only though. Boris and his compadre's prepared them for
exhibition.
Can you post a web version?
H... that would require a level of organization I have yet to
demonstrate But I'll see if I can pull it together.
- MCC
-
Mark
I find that to be true myself.
BTW the hyperfocal distance is fixed for a given f-stop on a given focal length.
You can easily memorize it for your most used combinations. Say, f8, and f16 at
24mm, 35mm, and 50mm (that is only 6 to remember) which should do for most
landscape work. Just
Lens element and group configurations can be identical, but designs
may still be significantly different due to different glass formulas
surface figures.
Bob...
Indeed. This is the case of K17/4.
Pentax public presentations of lenses (as reported in Japanese
english-written Camerart magazine,
Yesterday I went to a nearby park and decided to try the *ist-D with some
serious bird photography. The red winged blackbirds were out in force, and
while these birds are pretty common, they can be elusive and their jet
black color really wreaks havoc on metering. I used my standard bird setup
Hyper focal distance nothing to do with zone focusing.
Oh, it does. The HFD is the basic math behind defining the zones in order to
ensure overlapping DOF between them.
Jens Bladt
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http://hjem.get2net.dk/bladt
-Oprindelig meddelelse-
Fra: William Robb
I didn't understand the thing with the red tic mark on the lens, explained
by Dough??
all the best
Jens Bladt
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http://hjem.get2net.dk/bladt
-Oprindelig meddelelse-
Fra: Jens Bladt [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sendt: 10. april 2004 18:34
Til: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Emne:
And to add confusion to the mess and to be pedantic about it, there IS
no such far off distance as infinity, folks...
Practically speaking you might say that 200 feet, for some lenses, is as
close to representing infinity for whatever effect you're looking for,
and maybe 500 feet for other
Correct a possible misconception for me, please?
I've always thought that, strictly speaking, any hyperfocal distance
range had it's 'far end' anchored at infinity, by definition,
regardless of what the rest of the line segment looks like, where the
nearest distance point lies, etc.
If that's
I didn't understand the thing with the red tic mark on the lens,
explained by Dough??
Jens Bladt
On their WA lenses (since the Super-Takumar lenses), Pentax have a
number on the distance scale that is red, as is also the 8 on the
aperture ring. If you align the two red numbers, you are set at
I have a backup of all the data that is not a problem.
But I forgot the statistics part
Cheers
Adelheid
-Original Message-
From: John Francis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Samstag, 10. April 2004 20:43
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: NEW_PUG - questions
Hi list,
it
This seems like a good deal for a server, not too much money.
http://www.superbhosting.net/winpower.php
David Madsen
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http://www.davidmadsen.com
-Original Message-
From: Adelheid v. K. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, April 10, 2004 12:45 PM
To: [EMAIL
I do not have a 70mm lens to check against. However, I just checked my M50/1.7
at f22 my formula gives 2.2 meters, however the DOF scale give 1.5 times that or
3.3 meters. That would be using a 1500 multiplier which is being conservative,
but matchs your .021 CoC figure.
Where the 1000 comes
Yes, you are right. Hyperfocal distance is by definition the focus distance
where the far DOF limit is infinity. DOF can be calculated without referring to
it, but using it makes the formulas simpler.
--
Keith Whaley wrote:
Correct a possible misconception for me, please?
I've always thought
The red tick is the infrared focus offset for the lens. With infrared film you
focus the lens. Note the distance. Then move that distance to the red tick.
The red f-stop and red distance sets hyperfocal on the WA lenses.
--
Andre Langevin wrote:
I didn't understand the thing with the red tic
Outing #10 went pretty well. We had Christian, Stephen, Amita, Nate and #7
show up at Buffalo Billiards, and though the noise level was pretty high, I
think we had a good time of it. At least I did...
Once again, list folks are nice people in real life too. :) Hopefully
someone took some
At 06:32 PM 4/10/2004 +0100, you wrote:
You've got just the right shutter speed for the water in the moon shot.
The waves are reasonably crisp until they break, at which point the motion
is blurred. Looks great.
Thanks, John - the water does have a cool 'molten metal' look to it.
- MCC
-
Nice work Mark. All three images perfect - IMHO.
Thanks, Ken!
With the effective focal
length of the bird shots being 1020mm, how has it affected your stalking?
Were these all posted full frame?
The effectively longer focal length made stalking much easier. It still
requires getting pretty
In a message dated 4/10/2004 11:36:29 AM Pacific Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
If anybody is interested, I have made a spreadsheet (Excel) on HFD and NL
for common 6x6 and 35mm focal lengths.
All the best
Jens
--
Yeah, I'd like to see it. And I know exactly what you are
You're right. PS can only diminish the blacks in the shadows, it can't
diffuse the edges. I could blur them a little by hand, but that might
be an example of over-manipulating. In the end, the shot was taken
with the sun high in the sky, which is the only way one can photograph
this canyon.
It's funny, when I saw your first mail on this, my first thought was that
1000 was too little.
The book of Hawkins ans Avon (the source of my formula) mentions, that the
CoC comes from assumptions as to which angle
the human eye can detect - the CoC from a viewing distance where this angle
will
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I'd disagree with the premise here. Sticking a blue filter on the
front of your lens to balance tungsten light to a daylight sensor
isn't going to do anything to improve the blue channel noise. In
fact all it will do is reduce the amount of light falling on the
red
Marnie: I get an error message mailing to [EMAIL PROTECTED], so it my
spreadsheet didn't reach your computer!
Is there annother email address?
Jens Bladt
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http://hjem.get2net.dk/bladt
-Oprindelig meddelelse-
Fra: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sendt:
- Original Message -
From: Mark Cassino [EMAIL PROTECTED]
the link is:
http://www.markcassino.com/paw/040410/
- MCC
Wow. The sharpness and detail are amazing. You've done it again...
Christian
Mark,
The Moon shot is really powerful!
The bird is nice, but the Moon is WOW!
I think I'm beginning to see something from digital.
You guys were good before the digital camera.
Now, you are very good and prolific!
Very enabling...$$$:-(
Regards, Bob S.
Here is a link for a couple depth of field calculators - including a
program, DOFMaster, which will let you choose format and focal length to
print a circular slide rule device that you can carry with you to determine
the zone of focus. Best of all.it's free.
http://dfleming.ameranet.com/
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I'd disagree with the premise here. Sticking a blue filter on the
front of your lens to balance tungsten light to a daylight sensor
isn't going to do anything to improve the blue channel noise. In
fact all it will do is reduce the amount of light falling
It's OK, I guess. Personally I would suggest their Unix-based
hosting, rather than buying into the Windows-specific offering.
But then I'd never go for a hosting-only account; I always want
shell access to the machine for maintenance activities. I don't
want to be forced to use whatever tools
On 10/4/04, [EMAIL PROTECTED] discumbobulated:
it seems that the komkon server will not come back. I didn't hear from Igor
for quite a time now and I think we have to think about a new home for the
PUG.
[snip]
Hi guys and girls and indeterminate cross-gendered beings,
Er, the Digest has
Pål_Jensen écrit:
Personally, the possible limitation of the MZ-S with possible future lenses doesn't
really bother me that much. I want another MZ-S to primarily be used along with the
Limited lenses and a couple of older K mount lenses; all with aperture rings. As my
Limited lenses are
Hello.
I which to know what Pentax *ist D user find about the DSLR to be improved.
For the few time I can use it, I hope a bigger and faster buffer . And a
immediat histogramme visualisation. (can be done by changing the firmware
?)
And You ?
I can't seem to find the new DA 14mm 2.8 lens anywhere. Are we still
waiting for a release date?
David Madsen
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http://www.davidmadsen.com
I do all of my editing in Dreamweaver My situation is a little weird
because I own my domain name (or at least rent it), but my server space is
piggy-backed onto a friend's space because he has more than he needs. I
have full access to the space but I don't know how much it costs because he
Actually, I've offered precisely that deal to Adelheid/Jostein.
I've got a friend who runs a webhosting site on the side, and
I can get 1GB or more of storage, adequate bandwidth, etc. for free.
I use it for my private website (not this one, which only has 50MB).
I do all of my editing in
Thanks Andre,
This one goes to the archives.
Lasse
From: Andre Langevin [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, April 10, 2004 7:33 PM
Subject: Re: SMC Takumars vs. Pentax K's
Lens element and group configurations can be identical, but designs
may still be significantly
On Thu, 2004-04-08 at 22:58, Dag T wrote:
The April PUG has drowned in Easter Holiday (at least in Norway), PAW
and a link that is hard to find, so I think it is my turn to go through
the list.
Here it is:
http://www.kirschten.de/PUG/04apr/
We´ll se how far I get.
Frits J.
I'd agree about the pdml-pug.net name. Please avoin hyphens (-) in domain names as
some email editors take the opportunity to split them across lines so making them
unusable. How about PDMLGallery.
Regarding funding, as the list is free how about a small charge for each entry to the
gallery? I
yeah, but nick, for 1 or 2 dollars, the charges for using paypal would be
really silly. I think it would be better to have like an annual fee of 10
dollars or whatever, then it is done, complete, forgotten about until the
following year...
tan.
-Original Message-
From: Nick Clark
Frits, is that somebody's bottom? Very cool shot! How clever you are to
think of doing that!
I LOVE it!
tan.
-Original Message-
From: Frits Wüthrich [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, 11 April 2004 9:29 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: April PUG - comments - long
On
On Sat, 10 Apr 2004 22:23:40 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hello.
I which to know what Pentax *ist D user find about the DSLR to be
improved.
For the few time I can use it, I hope a bigger and faster buffer . And a
immediat histogramme visualisation. (can be done by changing the
firmware
Hi John,
Now that is a good deal! Thank you for inquiring for
the PUG.
Steve Larson
Redondo Beach, California
- Original Message -
From: John Francis [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, April 10, 2004 4:13 PM
Subject: Re: NEW_PUG - questions
Actually, I've
Thanks so much for the offer John! My client has actually postponed this
shoot for now, and I have my AF360fgz back now, so all should be fine.
Also, with my record, I am a bit weary of borrowing other people's
equipment! lol, but thank you so much once again for the offer.
How was your trip?
On Sun, 2004-04-11 at 01:57, John Forbes wrote:
On Sat, 10 Apr 2004 22:23:40 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hello.
I which to know what Pentax *ist D user find about the DSLR to be
improved.
For the few time I can use it, I hope a bigger and faster buffer . And a
immediat
Quite right.
It wouldn't necessarily have to be annual. $10 per head might raise
enough for two years, or a year and a half. A periodic request for a $10
donation every year or two, with a list of those who have contributed
posted somewhere (so everyone knows who has a right to criticise/be
- Original Message -
From: Jens Bladt
Subject: RE: Zone Focus - what is it?
Hyper focal distance nothing to do with zone focusing.
Oh, it does. The HFD is the basic math behind defining the zones in
order to
ensure overlapping DOF between them.
And if you start quoting mathmatical
- Original Message -
From: Adelheid v. K.
Subject: RE: NEW_PUG - questions
I don't know about the bandwidth, since all the statistics info is
on the
komkon server.
I checked the used bandwidth on my server, since the pug is sitting
there it
seems not so much. I need more time to
On 10 Apr 2004 at 22:23, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hello.
I which to know what Pentax *ist D user find about the DSLR to be improved.
For the few time I can use it, I hope a bigger and faster buffer . And a
immediat histogramme visualisation. (can be done by changing the firmware
?)
On 10 Apr 2004 at 16:10, Gonz wrote:
Am I figuring something wrong here. I welcome any corrections.
Your reasoning is born out in practice (from my experience shooting products
under hot lights) along with the added benefit of more consistent colour
fidelity due to improved linearity.
Rob
In a message dated 4/10/2004 5:43:42 PM Pacific Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
And if you start quoting mathmatical formulae, I am certain to
projective vomit over the north pole and into your back yard.
William Robb
You got to stop drinking coffee or something,
great pictures, Mark. do you use the 1.7X because it is a good extender,
does AF, or both? have you compared with other Pentax extenders?
Herb...
- Original Message -
From: Mark Cassino [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, April 10, 2004 12:31 PM
Subject: PAW- Bird and
yes. summer is all that is being promised.
Herb
- Original Message -
From: David Madsen [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Pentax Discuss List [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, April 10, 2004 6:56 PM
Subject: DA 14mm
I can't seem to find the new DA 14mm 2.8 lens anywhere. Are we still
I just took 200 shots of my son (I love the freedom of digital) using my
FA50mm f1.4 lens. Due to close shooting at f2 depth of field was pretty
shallow, but image quality was beautiful. It helps that he is cute. A
sample of the series is available here - http://davidmadsen.com/paw.htm
David
In a message dated 4/10/2004 2:28:44 PM Pacific Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Here is a link for a couple depth of field calculators - including a
program, DOFMaster, which will let you choose format and focal length to
print a circular slide rule device that you can carry with you to
On 10 Apr 2004 at 11:58, graywolf wrote:
While Doug Brewer would have to agree, why not pug.pdml.net, and a simple
redirect from pdml.net? Advantages: 1. No extra cost. 2. Clearly connected to
the list.
This would be great if Doug can pull it off, but definitely no hyphens in any
name if
Jens Bladt wrote:
Kieth (and others).
I know that HFD is (by definition) the distance to the closest sharp point,
when the lens is focused to infinity (meaning NOT focused).
I practice this distance (HFD) is the distance you can focus at, when you
still want infinity to be sharp - that is
Someone who knows about this stuff should check Pair.com.
They are the host for my new relocated site. I think I pay
$20-25 per month, 500mb space, expansion not too expensive,
it seems that a user has fair access to the innards of the
system if you know what you are doing. I don't...
BTW - I
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