BOY oh BOY!
Come to MY country, Steal MY Pets and People style!
SHEESH! Give a guy a break!
My favorite model doesn't appear very pleased about it either!
http://www.donsauction.com/PDML/beau.htm
Seriously, Nice Photo! ;-)
Don
-Original Message-
From: Jostein [mailto:[EMAIL
Jon,
The Super Program has DOF preview (just double checked).
The MEII winder with it makes a nice combination.
The feel is lighter with a better grip than the LX + winder.
The Motor Drive A is good, but heavy with 8 AA batteries.
You are correct, there is no MLU.
You don't mention TTL flash on
Probably the same that you have with any heavily used 20+ year old cameras with
foam seals in it. Old Wheatfield Willie (William Robb) probably lets Leica and
Rollei (his Rottweilers) use his LX's as chew toys (they chewed up hockey pucks
so fast it got to be too expensive).
I have never owned
I like the KX (non-DMD) for it's basic reliability. Over the years I've had several
MX which have showed a profound ability to wear out. The two KX I've owned have been
consistent performers. It's my bw body.
The Super Program has the worst UI on a camera, next to the old Nikon N70 film
Can I make a very polite request? If you post a pic on a website,
especially your own, is there any chance that you could offer users the
option of viewing the full picture at an absolute maximum physical size
of about 1000 pixels by 700 pixels? In fact I would personally go no
bigger than 800 by
That's a good point, thanks, hadn't thought to mention it.
They can sometimes make custom diopter lenses too.
Don
-Original Message-
From: graywolf [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2004 6:40 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Fixing a viewfinder
David, I
DPR are reporting a 3MP camera phone from Samsung with a Pentax lens. The
link to the original story doesn't mention the Pentax lens, although DPR
does. I'm just off to work - any detectives outn there?
http://www.dpreview.com/news/0407/04071202samsungsph2300.asp
Cheers,
Cotty
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- Original Message -
From: Lon Williamson
Subject: Re: LX vs K2dmd vs Super Program
One of the reasons the SuperProgram might have a
bouncy shutter is that it has a fairly low shutter
lag, on the order of 50 milliseconds, which was
considered fast in its day, and certainly
Hi!
DPR are reporting a 3MP camera phone from Samsung with a Pentax lens. The
link to the original story doesn't mention the Pentax lens, although DPR
does. I'm just off to work - any detectives outn there?
http://www.dpreview.com/news/0407/04071202samsungsph2300.asp
I like my gadgets combined. I
- Original Message -
From: Don Sanderson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
BOY oh BOY!
Come to MY country, Steal MY Pets and People style!
SHEESH! Give a guy a break!
My favorite model doesn't appear very pleased about it either!
http://www.donsauction.com/PDML/beau.htm
Seriously, Nice Photo!
The Super Program has the worst UI on a camera, next to the
old Nikon N70 film camera. But with a winder it feels good
to the hand. I use it for color shooting.
That's a matter of opinion, of course. :) I love the UI of the Super
Program. I shoot mine almost exclusively in shutter priority
Mr Robb quoted and posted as follows:
- Original Message -
From: Jon M
Subject: LX vs K2dmd vs Super Program
I've been thinking about picking up another camera
body, and I wanted some opinions. Things I'd like in
order of importance are aperture priority and manual
On 13 Jul 2004 at 6:22, William Robb wrote:
The LX is something like 35 ms lag, and the Program Plus (same
chassis, different shutter) is less bouncy.
Hmm, VeeDub Bugs and 911s same chassis, different engine too? :-)
Rob Studdert
HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA
Tel +61-2-9554-4110
UTC(GMT) +10 Hours
On 13 Jul 2004 at 13:05, Cotty wrote:
Can I make a very polite request? If you post a pic on a website,
especially your own, is there any chance that you could offer users the
option of viewing the full picture at an absolute maximum physical size
of about 1000 pixels by 700 pixels? In fact I
Hmmm.
Regards,
Bob...
---
No man's life, liberty or property is safe while the legislature is in
session.
-- Mark Twain
From: Keith Whaley [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Bob Blakely wrote:
This is art and well done. It is indeed powerful, however...
It brings great
I had a similar reaction. I do think it is well executed, in that I
could have just ignored it if it was badly done. Bob said he felt
sadness, whereas I feel more of an uncomfortable confusion. Either way
I found the quality of the photo hard to ignore.
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 07/12/04 11:54PM
But most of them are men.
mike wilson wrote:
More tits in the UK than anywhere else in the world..
Hi Dave,
Thanks for commenting.
Trouble in the park, as I'm sure you know, is that some horses become
aggressive towards tourists who don't feed them once they get used to
getting something.
I like the C1 converter very much. Unlike the Photoshop CS converter, you
can work with curves and levels
Thanks for reposting them. And kudos to everyone for a very civilized
discussion on a subject where overall agreement was unlikely.
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 07/13/04 07:15AM
I don't see any of the three as an American version. The placement of
the one woman's hands on the other's breasts was meant
Why, thanks, Don!
Glad you liked it.
Can't wait to see the prints from Cotty and Paul.
Might turn out to be expensive, though, if it's so good that I have to buy
an A3 printer...:-)
Jostein
- Original Message -
From: Don Sanderson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday,
It brings great pain and sadness to me (no, it's not the
nudity per se). It's as though this was done to one of my
parents, or perhaps my best friend.
In fact, it was.
Please explain.
The work reveals a lot about the artist, about his
willingness to cause pain to a multitude of
From: John Francis [EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.panix.com/~johnf/gallery/images/sdwap615.jpg
LOL! That's hilarious. What a cool shot.
Jostein
On 13 Jul 2004 at 9:14, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:
But most of them are men.
mike wilson wrote:
More tits in the UK than anywhere else in the world..
They have Great Tits in the UK.
http://www.uksafari.com/greattits.htm
Rob Studdert
HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA
Tel +61-2-9554-4110
UTC(GMT)
You don't mention TTL flash on the LX and Super Program. Once you
try it, you'll love it. There is no going back...
Amen. I haven't taken ~any~ non-TTL flash phot in a couple of
decades now. (I still use some older bodies that don't provide TTL
flash, but only for available light shooting.)
The actual body, excluding the superstructure, is virtually identical,
both in shape and size. The Super A/Program certainly has more on top
(it's not a blonde, you see, at least the Euro version isn't).
I accept they are different cameras, but the bit you hold is pretty much
the same
In lovely old Montreal encore. This time without camera, in a combination internet
cafe and employment bureau, trying to type on a keyboard that is actually in French
but has English characters.
Glad to see Fairygirl back on the list. She still owes me Cottys autograph (cannot
locate the
The ME Super has a very well damped mirror. There actually is a real
shock absorber (like in a car) which is placed beneath the mirror box. I
have a brochure on the ME Super where this is shown and explained. And
it is true: The ME Super really is much more quiet than the Super A or
any other
On Tue, 13 Jul 2004, Jostein wrote:
I like the C1 converter very much. Unlike the Photoshop CS converter, you
can work with curves and levels directly at the conversion, and there are
eyedropper tools for setting blackpoint and whitepoint. In all the images I
have played with so far except
G'day Rob
What have I missed? I've been using Mozilla for ages and never come across an
option for automatic image resizing. Can you show me the way.?
Brian
+
Brian Walters
Western Sydney, Australia
On Tue Jul 13 7:01 , 'Rob Studdert' [EMAIL PROTECTED]
If that's what you consider great tits, Rob, you qualify as an
honorary Brit!
Rob Studdert wrote:
They have Great Tits in the UK.
The ME Super has a very well damped mirror. There actually is a
real shock absorber (like in a car) which is placed beneath the
mirror box. I have a brochure on the ME Super where this is shown
and explained. And it is true: The ME Super really is much more
quiet than the Super A or any other
Rob Studdert wrote:
They have Great Tits in the UK.
http://www.uksafari.com/greattits.htm
And Blue Tits too:
http://www.naturephotographers.bramleyfrith.co.uk/separates/british/birds/bi
rd02.htm
Dario
Not really, there were significant differences between the 911 and VW
body pan. You could
however make a 911 engine work if you also unbolted the transmission and
put that in your bug.
It did require some customer surgery IIRC.
Rob Studdert wrote:
On 13 Jul 2004 at 6:22, William Robb wrote:
Jostein;
I can't believe you were in our backyard and never hooked up with the DC-PDML!
I love Assateague Island State and National Parks. Some amazing photo ops available.
Christian
-Original Message-
From: Jostein [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Jul 13, 2004 7:21 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
David
Really great image. You managed to get just the right angle to show it's
unmistakably a frogmouth. Love the eyebrows!
Cheers
Brian
+
Brian Walters
Western Sydney, Australia
On Tue Jul 13 5:05 , David Nelson [EMAIL PROTECTED] sent:
On 13 Jul 2004 at 16:58, Dario Bonazza wrote:
And Blue Tits too:
http://www.naturephotographers.bramleyfrith.co.uk/separates/british/birds/bi
rd02.htm
I hear they only come out in the cold?
Rob Studdert
HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA
Tel +61-2-9554-4110
UTC(GMT) +10 Hours
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
HAR!
Regards,
Bob...
From: Jens Bladt [EMAIL PROTECTED]
It's interesting that the last supper apparently always takes place at
only
three sides of the table - too make life easier for painters and
photographers :-)
Sure you're not thinking of polititcians?
Daniel J. Matyola wrote:
But most of them are men.
mike wilson wrote:
More tits in the UK than anywhere else in the world..
The problem I see with this whole thing is this...
1. We are constantly bombarded by images of sexuality in our society.
2. Morals have declined significantly in the past 100 or so years. What is
OK today was not OK yesterday. Did it suddenly become OK or did standards
change?
3. Forty/Fifty
On 13/7/04, Tom C, discombobulated, offered:
1. We are constantly bombarded by images of sexuality in our society.
2. Morals have declined significantly in the past 100 or so years. What is
OK today was not OK yesterday. Did it suddenly become OK or did standards
change?
3. Forty/Fifty years
Steve Desjardins wrote:
The cultural moires and/or taboos of the viewer are an essential part of
a photo.
But is there a pattern to it?
Hi,
I honestly don't know where you've seen all these birds with disgraceful
names. I certainly haven't seen any
We did have a lone Red Raw Freshly Spanked Buttock at the feeder the
other day,
I really did laugh out loud at that one!
It reminds me of the gag Steven Fry and Hugh Laurie used
LOL. I thought the thread needed more photographic content. ;-)
(Damn Spell Checker. Why can't it know the word I want? )
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 07/13/04 01:07PM
Steve Desjardins wrote:
The cultural moires and/or taboos of the viewer are an essential part
of
a photo.
But is there a pattern to
Cotty,
I respect what you said. I am not suggesting censorship. I am suggesting
self-sensorship.
I for one, believe in the right to free speech and free expression. The
obvious problem occurs when exercising ones rights to such trample on/or
violates another perceived rights.
We all
- Original Message -
From: Cotty [EMAIL PROTECTED]
They have Great Tits in the UK.
http://www.uksafari.com/greattits.htm
I honestly don't know where you've seen all these birds with disgraceful
names. I certainly haven't seen any
To bring them down, you have to place wing nuts
Society decays for any number of reasons. Poverty is the worst. I think
perhaps, nudity in society is not a cause but an effect of other problems.
Julius Ceasar said that Poverty is the mother of all crime. Poverty
fosters immorality. Decay stems from poverty not from nudity. To think
that
Hi Christian.
It was on our way back from GFM. Adelheid and I took to the coast and
followed the Outer Banks northwards from NC to Assateague. Sorry we didn't
think of that...
Jostein
- Original Message -
From: Christian [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, July 13,
You are mispplying my words. I did not say or think society will be
destroyed because of nudity.
I said 'moral decay contributes to the decay or society as a whole'.
What makes Julius Ceasar, of all people, an authority on the subject?
Tom C.
From: El Gringo [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: [EMAIL
Since when does a request for discretion become censorship. Are we now
reduced to the point where a mere request for voluntary restraint is
suggesting is censorship? If this is true, is you advocating the folks
censorship in making requests?
I think your judgment that what Tom suggested
Cotty,
I can agree with this request. Whenever I design a website, or even
just a page, I try and constrain it to 800 on the horizontal dimension.
I realize the majority of internet users have this setup.
IL Bill
On Jul 13, 2004, at 7:05 AM, Cotty wrote:
Can I make a very polite request?
I might also add that the disclaimor regarding the content of an
image/movie/lyrics, etc., no matter how well intentioned, is the loophole
that is used by entertainment industries to present material that might
otherwise be considered totally objectionable.
There is a great dichotomy in
Hi,
BTW I have a real problem with the Afghan Girl pic
I'm not quite sure how you can have a problem with the original photo.
As far as I know, when he took it he was not really aware of what he
had in the can until it was processed. He was taking photos around a
displaced persons camp, as that
For which we should all be thankful...
Jens Bladt wrote:
It's interesting that the last supper apparently always takes place at only
three sides of the table - too make life easier for painters and
photographers :-)
Jens Bladt
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://hjem.get2net.dk/bladt
-Oprindelig
On 13/7/04, Tom C, discombobulated, offered:
I respect what you said. I am not suggesting censorship. I am suggesting
self-sensorship.
I for one, believe in the right to free speech and free expression. The
obvious problem occurs when exercising ones rights to such trample on/or
violates
On 13/7/04, Bob Blakely, discombobulated, offered:
Can't we have a forum for discussion about photography where we don't
bombard each other with sexual images? Is that to much to ask?
One or two pics in (a long time) is hardly 'bombardment'!
Cheers,
Cotty
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Personally, I think there are far too many racing car pictures on this
site.
As a devout Walkist, any form of car picture tends to offend me, and fast
cars pictures tend to offend me absolutely.
Now I don't want to impose any form of censorship, so just stop posting
them.
I know there are
Why not an MX? I notice it wasn't really considered in this thread.
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 07/13/04 12:27PM
BTW why not an MZ-S ??
I've not seen any used ones around (haven't looked
much on ebay tho), and new ones are $770 from KEH,
whereas they regularly have the LX for $350... but
even that is
On 13/7/04, Bob Blakely, discombobulated, offered:
Can't we have a forum for discussion about photography where we don't
bombard each other with sexual images? Is that to much to ask?
Now, the preceding was a request. It was only a request. It was not a
demand. Again, failure to honor the
On 13/7/04, William M. Kane, discombobulated, offered:
Cotty,
I can agree with this request. Whenever I design a website, or even
just a page, I try and constrain it to 800 on the horizontal dimension.
I realize the majority of internet users have this setup.
IL Bill
Yeah Bill, I
They are phone and internet order only, if you're in Atlanta you can
stop in and pick up
your order in person, but I'd hardly call their location a storefront.
Jon M wrote:
BTW why not an MZ-S ??
I've not seen any used ones around (haven't looked
much on ebay tho), and new ones are $770
On Jul 13, 2004, at 2:29 PM, Bob Blakely wrote:
Can't we have a forum for discussion about photography where we don't
bombard each other with sexual images? Is that to much to ask?
We already have that. No one here is bombarded with sexual images. For
one, sex and artful nudity are not the same
Bombardment may not have been the right word... I was using it in a general
sense... we are bombarded from numerous sources, and I was lumping the
recent PDML posts in with the rest.
Tom C.
From: Cotty [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: pentax list [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject:
I always thought that Pentax missed the boat somehow with the Super A/Super
program although it was a very successfull camera. When it came out I was a
devoted MX user - and I immediately liked the LCD display in the Super A
finder ... until I discovered that it did not provide the information it
I have had and used all three models you've mentioned. I think for your
purposes the super program is the way to go.
It is small and compact, and with the winder, only a bit bigger than
the K2DMD without a winder.
The main advantages I can think of (compared to the others) are:
- less expensive
I would have labelled this Off Topic, but it's actually about
the list even though it's not about photography or cameras
per se any more.
Tom C wrote:
1. We are constantly bombarded by images of sexuality in our society.
Gonna come back to that one...
2. Morals have declined significantly in
Many of us, and let me presume all of us, filter out all kinds of things we
don't want to see or hear. My satellite TV controller has plenty of filters
set up.
This constant filtering from all sources becomes exhausting and tiresome. I
personally would prefer that the PDML, and by extension
Thanks! I appreciate hearing your opinion. It differs from mine, but you're
entitled to it. Knowing other folks opinions is a Privilege. After all, they
don't have to tell you.
Regards,
Bob...
From: Cotty [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On 13/7/04, Bob Blakely, discombobulated, offered:
Can't we have a
I second that, Tom.
I would prefer to be able to see PDML stuff on the screen, even if there are
children present, at work, the libraries etc., where I don't want do cause
others to feel embarrassed.
Jens Bladt
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://hjem.get2net.dk/bladt
-Oprindelig
Well and rationally countered, Bob.
keith whaley
Bob W wrote:
Hi,
BTW I have a real problem with the Afghan Girl pic
I'm not quite sure how you can have a problem with the original photo.
As far as I know, when he took it he was not really aware of what he
had in the can until it was processed.
LOL!
mike wilson wrote:
Steve Desjardins wrote:
The cultural moires and/or taboos of the viewer are an essential part of
a photo.
But is there a pattern to it?
.
--
Daniel J. Matyola (908)725-3322 fax:(908)707-0399
Stanley, Powers Matyola mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
78 Grove Street
I'm sorry I implied your statement was ignorant... Julius Caesar, as the
ruler of possibly the most powerful empire ever in history, by nature of his
position, has more insight into social matters than you or I ever will. And
if you think about what he is saying for a moment, you will realize,
My values are the only right ones. If you do not subscribe to them with every
bit of your mind, body, and soul you are damned! If you do not I have the duty
to send you to the maker for judgment right now.
Are those the values you are talking about?
100 years ago the white, puritan, English
On Tue, 13 Jul 2004, Jens Bladt wrote:
I second that, Tom.
I would prefer to be able to see PDML stuff on the screen, even if there are
children present, at work, the libraries etc., where I don't want do cause
others to feel embarrassed.
There was plenty of warning on these images.
I was
D. Glenn Arthur and all,
I'd like to respond more to your post, but lack the time and I need to go to
lunch.
Let's look at it from another simplistic viewpoint. The PDML has had
little, if any, sexual content, art depicting nudity, art with sexual
content, however one wishes to define it, in
Rome never did become Christian. It became Christian.
And you're way over the top.
Tom C.
From: graywolf [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: civil discourse (was Re: PAW: Temptation of Eve, the three
shot series)
Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 16:00:55
'S a'matter, Greywolf?
Someone say something that really resurrected your P.O. button?
keith
graywolf wrote:
My values are the only right ones. If you do not subscribe to them
with every bit of your mind, body, and soul you are damned! If you do
not I have the duty to send you to the maker for
-Original Message-
From: Tom C [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Rome never did become Christian. It became Christian.
Hey I've stayed out of this thread! Why drag me into it
Christian or Christian
vbg
Tom C wrote:
Rome never did become Christian. It became Christian.
Is that your way of saying, in name only?
I can't think of any other way of interpreting those two sentences.
keith whaley
And you're way over the top.
Tom C.
From: graywolf [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To:
I myself believe there is an absolute truth and that their is a God with
standards for right and wrong.
Some people believe not. That's their right to choose.
Even having strongly held personal views and convictions, I believe it is
not my right to force mine on others. If God has given
I AGREE WITH EVERYTHING YOU SAID I MEAN EVERYTHING!!
-el gringo
-Original Message-
From: graywolf [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2004 3:01 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: civil discourse (was Re: PAW: Temptation of Eve, the three
shot series)
My values are
On 13/7/04, Tom C, discombobulated, offered:
Bombardment may not have been the right word... I was using it in a general
sense... we are bombarded from numerous sources, and I was lumping the
recent PDML posts in with the rest.
Ahhh, understood. Except that there is one problem with that. I am
Sometimes I wonder if people who are so afraid of naked bodies are so afraid
because they cant control themselves??
-el gringo
-Original Message-
From: Tom C [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2004 3:08 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: Metadiscussion: Re: civil
I guess you're another victim... :)
Tom C.
From: Christian [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: civil discourse (was Re: PAW: Temptation of Eve, the three
shot series)
Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 16:16:44 -0400 (GMT-04:00)
-Original Message-
On 13/7/04, Bob Blakely, discombobulated, offered:
Thanks! I appreciate hearing your opinion. It differs from mine, but you're
entitled to it. Knowing other folks opinions is a Privilege. After all, they
don't have to tell you.
I concur. And back at ya! ;-)
Cheers,
Cotty
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Cotty quoted and posted as follows, and I am snipping only for the sake of
space:
On 13/7/04, Tom C, discombobulated, offered:
.. 5. Can't we have a forum for disussion about photography where we don't
bombard each other with sexual images? Is that to much to ask?
I take your point Tom, but
On 13/7/04, graywolf, discombobulated, offered:
REMEMBER! I DID NOT START THIS RELIGIOUS/POLITICAL [expletive deleted]
THREAD! IF YOU DON'T
WANT TO LOOK AT SOMEONES PHOTOS, THEN DON'T! OTHERWISE STICK YOUR HEADS
BACK UP
YOUR expletive deleted] WHERE THEY BELONG.
PS: I didn't much care for the
On Tue, 13 Jul 2004 14:18:47 -0600, Tom C [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I myself believe there is an absolute truth and that their is a God with
standards for right and wrong.
Some people believe not. That's their right to choose.
Even having strongly held personal views and convictions, I believe
On 13/7/04, Christian, discombobulated, offered:
Rome never did become Christian. It became Christian.
Hey I've stayed out of this thread! Why drag me into it
Christian or Christian
vbg
ROTFLMAO
Cheers,
Cotty
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Steve D asked:
Why not an MX? I notice it wasn't really considered in this thread.
Perhaps because the original post mentioned that aperture-priority was an
important consideration
ER
From: Tom C
Rome never did become Christian. It became Christian.
Like so many other nations after them.
Interestingly, most muslim countries are more muslim than christian
nations are christian. That's one of the things they despise about the
western world. I must say I can understand their
I can agree with this request. Whenever I design a website, or
even just a page, I try and constrain it to 800 on the horizontal
dimension. I realize the majority of internet users have this
setup.
I try to stick to 750 or 760 pixels, in fact, to allow for window
frame thicknesses and
Prog on BBC 4 in the UK on right now. Pentax content!
Cheers,
Cotty
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_
Cotty wrote:
Prog on BBC 4 in the UK on right now. Pentax content!
Cheers,
Cotty
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Henri is a very good name!
/Henri
That's what I meant, not to imply any disrespect to others on the list.
If I remember my history correctly, Rome was already disintegrating, and the
conversion of Constantine helped unite it to some degree. The official
State Christianity adopted numeorus holidays, teachings, and beliefs from
On 13/7/04, D. Glenn Arthur Jr., discombobulated, offered:
At the same time, I would like to ask that those of
us who perceive such requests as censorshop try to
refrain from jumping the gun on accusations of
actual censorship, and to try to understand where
the request is coming from, so that
Tom C wrote:
Many of us, and let me presume all of us, filter out all
kinds of things we don't want to see or hear. My satellite
TV controller has plenty of filters set up.
This constant filtering from all sources becomes exhausting
and tiresome. I personally would prefer that the
WHO did I TELL what? I only made some statements, expressed some opnions,
and asked some questions?
Tom C.
From: John Forbes [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Tue, 13 Jul 2004 14:18:47 -0600, Tom C [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I myself believe there is an absolute truth and that their is a God with
Even though I find the ongoing topics very interesting, it's preventing me
from getting my work done...
Does anyone know the origin of the name PENTAX?
Tom C.
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Subject: Re: civil discourse (was Re: PAW: Temptation
Tom C:
2. Morals have declined significantly in the past 100 or so years.
I don't agree. Morals have changed, for certain, but I'd say that
most of these changes have been for the better. My assessment is that
people on average are more happy now than a hundred years ago, and
that is partly due
On 13/7/04, Don Sanderson, discombobulated, offered:
Do you feel this is not a good/proper method of presenting them?
The new FAQ says nothing to guide me in this and the old FAQ seems to no
longer be accessible.
Don (PDML Newbie)
That;s fine Don, but nothing to do with the PDML per se, I think
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