Re: Returning defective goods : was RE: Leica M9

2010-05-23 Thread Boris Liberman
On 5/23/2010 1:57 AM, P. J. Alling wrote: No corporation that consistently cheats it's customers will survive. To do that you need a gun and the unrestricted will to use it. Otherwise customers will flee to another haven. Free markets are free, and the worst offenses happen in the markets that

Re: still VeryOT: helmets...

2010-05-23 Thread Tom C
HERE, HERE!!! Well stated Bob. The doctors/pharmaceutical companies (is there a difference?) just about killed my wife last year, sending her into liver failure. What was their recommended solution to the problem? Check into the hospital and we'll treat symptom A, but the side affect of the

Re: PESO - Spring Snow

2010-05-23 Thread Tom C
Other times in the past 10 years it's been in the 80's or higher by now. Tom C. On Sat, May 22, 2010 at 11:09 PM, Tom C caka...@gmail.com wrote: Actually I moved here to escape where you describe! We basically get four equal seasons, but a month or two either side of winter can have some

Re: Leica M9

2010-05-23 Thread Boris Liberman
On 5/23/2010 1:01 AM, Rob Studdert wrote: I've never understood that type of policy, generally here it's your responsibility to decide before purchase if the item will suite your needs, it can only be returned if faulty after purchase, never just because you don't like it. You just couldn't run

Re: PESO More bokeh

2010-05-23 Thread Toine
The solution is very simple. On 22 May 2010 23:52, Larry Colen l...@red4est.com wrote: On May 22, 2010, at 1:40 PM, Toine wrote: Another shot with the Lensbaby: http://www.repiuk.nl/index.php/blog-mainmenu-97/134-more-bokeh I really hate it when people post awesome photos with lenses

Re: Returns (was Re: Leica M9)

2010-05-23 Thread Boris Liberman
On 5/23/2010 6:22 AM, Sandy Harris wrote: I once talked to someone who had been a technician at Acoustic Research, back when AR speakers carried a lifetime warranty. He said they got one or two a year that were burned out in a recognisable way, what you get if you run 110 volt AC into the

Re: Leica M9

2010-05-23 Thread Rob Studdert
On 23/05/2010, Boris Liberman bori...@gmail.com wrote: Rob, just a small point here. You actually assume that when entering a shop, customer would have a fair chance to preview the product before they buy it. In quite many cases (at least here) you don't have such a luxury as a buyer. Add to

Re: Stupid Windows Question

2010-05-23 Thread Anthony Farr
On 23 May 2010 15:07, John Coyle jco...@iinet.net.au wrote: I can't say that I have had any problems with support from Microsoft with OEM versions in the years I've been running with them (at least 7), so I could not be sure that it would be an issue for Bill. My experience is the same,

Re: Leica M9

2010-05-23 Thread Boris Liberman
On 5/23/2010 10:48 AM, Rob Studdert wrote: The retailers obligations are set by law and effectively the onus of suitability lies with the purchaser, only if the product does not provide the functions advertised or if it fails or is DOA/broken could the reseller be forced to accept a return. If

Re: Leica M9

2010-05-23 Thread Rob Studdert
On 23/05/2010, Boris Liberman bori...@gmail.com wrote: When faced with request from a buyer to return the mis-sold item, the buyer would parry with you're a grown up person, you should have listened better; it is too late now. Here some types of contracts have an integrated cooling off period

Re: Leica M9

2010-05-23 Thread Boris Liberman
On 5/23/2010 11:10 AM, Rob Studdert wrote: Here some types of contracts have an integrated cooling off period but generally in retail shops the buyer makes the final decision to part with their cash or not. Can't get more basic really, if I stuff up it's off to eBay the bad purchase goes.

Re: K7 first thoughts

2010-05-23 Thread Boris Liberman
Well, yes, K10D is whacky in shutter sound and technologically older than K-7. But Galia produces excellent pictures with it and some simple lenses such as DA 21, FA 50/1.4 or FA 100/3.5 macro. I am likely to pass on K7x or whatever else that comes out of the door this year. It is because I

Re: Leica M9

2010-05-23 Thread eckinator
2010/5/23 Tom C caka...@gmail.com: Do they have the right to know the full story? If a mfr. were to make, and a retailer to sell, a shoddy product, do they let me in on it?  Or do they hope people buy it and are then stuck with it, and too busy or too chicken shit to raise a stink? And even

Re: Bird watcher Maritimtim

2010-05-23 Thread AlunFoto
2010/5/23 Tim Øsleby maritim...@gmail.com: For some odd reason Christine said something about my birthday. I think she thought I just had it. Mea culpa, Tim. :-) Expect something to abruptly appear in your (snail)mailbox on Tuesday. -- http://www.alunfoto.no/galleri/

Re: What a Weekend!

2010-05-23 Thread Boris Liberman
Thanks, Christine. That was a great way to recollect my fresh memories. But I am thinking that I swore in English really, and that I used the f-word... How otherwise you would have understood that I swore? ;-) Boris -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net

Re: Birding with the 18-250

2010-05-23 Thread Boris Liberman
Larry ;-), you're confusing things. It is them who got close enough to you, not you to them... On 5/21/2010 9:28 AM, Larry Colen wrote: Though occasionally you can even get in close enough with the 16-50 http://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/4626341078/sizes/o/ -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com

RE: Stupid Windows Question

2010-05-23 Thread Bob W
I run Linux, consider it hugely superior to Windows for almost everything, and it is free. However, one place where it seems to be weak is photo processing. Linux seems to be a bit short on out-of-the-box support for some drivers too. I've been considering converting this machine (a Dell

RE: still VeryOT: helmets...

2010-05-23 Thread Bob W
This woman's got it wrong then - she's wearing one of those on her head: http://www.britishcycling.org.uk/web/MultimediaFiles/20080724_NEWPORT_HOLDI NG_CAMP_27.JPG Does not compute. Helmet don't protect your nuts. You need one of these. http://www.nuttybuddy.com/ From: Bertil

Re: Birding with the 18-250

2010-05-23 Thread eckinator
2010/5/22 Larry Colen l...@red4est.com: Thanks, Jack and Ecke. The 18-250 was at 250.  We had gotten a stuffed churro on the pier, which really wasn't very good. I was sitting on the ground, holding little bits of it in one hand, shooting with the other. At least until one of the gulls saw

RE: Birding with the 18-250

2010-05-23 Thread Bob W
The 18-250 was at 250.  We had gotten a stuffed churro on the pier, which really wasn't very good. I was sitting on the ground, holding little bits of it in one hand, shooting with the other. At least until one of the gulls saw that what was left was under my leg and jumped in

Re: VeryOT: no anti-bike bias here at all, oh no, absolutely, not

2010-05-23 Thread David Mann
On May 23, 2010, at 3:30 AM, William Robb wrote: There is no justification for refusing to share the road, but that is a two way street, so to speak. A cyclist who is operating his vehicle in such a way as to be a danger to others deserves some consequences. A danger to others? Who exactly

Re: Stupid Windows Question

2010-05-23 Thread Rob Studdert
On 23/05/2010, Bob W p...@web-options.com wrote: If it can't network efficiently and easily with XP Pro, God knows what it must be like with non-MS OSes. I'm having trouble getting it to see my NAS drive, which runs Linux. The drive shows up as a media server on the network, and sometimes

Re: What Makes a Good Photograph? Was: Chicago

2010-05-23 Thread Boris Liberman
On 5/13/2010 4:19 AM, Miserere wrote: Summary of how I feel about Eggleston: If Stephen King were given a camera, he'd take the photographs Eggleston takes. Thanks. You did it for me... I mean put to words what I had in mind. Boris -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net

Re: K7 first thoughts

2010-05-23 Thread Ralf R. Radermacher
Boris Liberman bori...@gmail.com wrote: ...some simple lenses such as DA 21, FA 50/1.4 or FA 100/3.5 macro. ;-) Ralf -- Ralf R. Radermacher - DL9KCG - Köln/Cologne, Germany Blog : http://the-real-fotoralf.blogspot.com Audio : http://aporee.org/maps/projects/fotoralf Web :

Re: What Makes a Good Photograph? Was: Chicago

2010-05-23 Thread Boris Liberman
On 5/13/2010 1:20 PM, Christine Aguila wrote: Friendly correction: I said Southern Gothic and the grotesque. I think Flannery O'Connor would have liked Eggleston, and count me in as a fan of Eggleston. As I write this it's thundering raining like crazy here in Chicago--most appropriate for

Re: K7 first thoughts

2010-05-23 Thread Boris Liberman
Ralf, but you won't argue that DA* 16-50/2.8 or Sigma EX 10-20/4-5.6 are more complex than DA 21 and FA 50/1.4 ;-), or will you? Boris On 5/23/2010 1:25 PM, Ralf R. Radermacher wrote: Boris Libermanbori...@gmail.com wrote: ...some simple lenses such as DA 21, FA 50/1.4 or FA 100/3.5 macro.

Re: OT Peso The Stouffville Crew

2010-05-23 Thread David J Brooks
Thanks Paul. Dave On Sat, May 22, 2010 at 2:16 PM, paul stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net wrote: A nice pic and a touching story. Paul On May 22, 2010, at 11:02 AM, Christine Aguila wrote: Hi Dave:  Nice blog and photos.  Sorry to hear about the bus run situation. That's a nice group

OT Peso Danielle and Pippin in BW

2010-05-23 Thread David J Brooks
Does this work of ya all http://www.flickr.com/photos/djbrooks/4631833810/ Click back and the colour version is available. D200 SB800 for fill, NEF file converted in LR2. The Markham fair has a Human portrait class, and this is on my short list. Comments welcome Dave -- Documenting Life in

Re: PESO - Spring Snow

2010-05-23 Thread David J Brooks
Now thats my kind of weather. Good shot Tom Dave On Sat, May 22, 2010 at 3:47 PM, Tom C caka...@gmail.com wrote: Started snowing about 45 min. ago 13:00 MDT.  Now about 3/4 on ground and this scene would be twice as white if taken at this moment. Just sharing a snapshot.,

Re: geso My Chicago best of set.

2010-05-23 Thread David J Brooks
Ve4ry good gesoo there Larry. I like the dance shot 5602. I really like what every one has done with their shots at the silver ball, that i assume is out side the gallery.?? Dave On Sat, May 22, 2010 at 9:11 PM, Larry Colen l...@red4est.com wrote: I finally finished going through my shots from

Re: K7 first thoughts

2010-05-23 Thread Ralf R. Radermacher
Boris Liberman bori...@gmail.com wrote: Ralf, but you won't argue that DA* 16-50/2.8 or Sigma EX 10-20/4-5.6 are more complex than DA 21 and FA 50/1.4 ;-), or will you? On the mere base of their parts count, you're quite right. Just as a 5-500 mm hypermegasuperzoom is more complex than a Zeiss

Re: OT Peso Danielle and Pippin in BW

2010-05-23 Thread David J Brooks
Or would it look better as the coloured version, a square crop http://www.flickr.com/photos/djbrooks/4611584173/ Dave On Sun, May 23, 2010 at 7:44 AM, David J Brooks pentko...@gmail.com wrote: Does this work of ya all http://www.flickr.com/photos/djbrooks/4631833810/ Click back and the

Re: PESO - Poem Every So Often

2010-05-23 Thread Bob Sullivan
Tom, The poem matches the beauty of your recent pictures. Regards, Bob S. On Sun, May 23, 2010 at 12:04 AM, Tom C caka...@gmail.com wrote: Standing alone on a mountain Snow falling Tranquility Looking up Myriads of snowflakes Falling out of the soft gray void Glimpse eternity For

Re: PESO - Spring Snow

2010-05-23 Thread Jack Davis
You live at what altitude, Tom? California is experiencing a record setting drawn out late winter period. We who dread the inevitable scorching summer days no doubt fast approaching, treasure this respite. Sierra residents, however, must be past depressed and disgusted with this persistent

Re: PESO - Poem Every So Often

2010-05-23 Thread Jack Davis
Thanks for this moment. Jack --- On Sat, 5/22/10, Tom C caka...@gmail.com wrote: From: Tom C caka...@gmail.com Subject: PESO - Poem Every So Often To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Date: Saturday, May 22, 2010, 10:04 PM Standing alone on a mountain Snow falling Tranquility

Re: Night photography of NY and LV

2010-05-23 Thread Boris Liberman
Splendid. I've a co-worker that is said to be doing time lapse shots from his apartment 60 stories or so above Tel Aviv. I should very much like to try such a thing myself one day... Boris On 5/21/2010 6:27 PM, Igor Roshchin wrote: I came across these interesting images:

Re: OT Peso Danielle and Pippin in BW

2010-05-23 Thread Bob Sullivan
Dave, I prefer the color version. She looks better in color, especially her hair. Regards, Bob S. On Sun, May 23, 2010 at 7:04 AM, David J Brooks pentko...@gmail.com wrote: Or would it look better as the coloured version, a square crop http://www.flickr.com/photos/djbrooks/4611584173/ Dave

Re: geso My Chicago best of set.

2010-05-23 Thread Bob Sullivan
Dave, The Bean is about the size of a Semi Truck Trailor. Here's the Google Maps shot of it in the park. The little specks with shadows are people standing around it. Off to the left are those square umbrellas covering cafe tables. They are set-up on what becomes an ice rink in winter. Link:

Re: Augenblick photos

2010-05-23 Thread Bob Sullivan
How did I know you guys would like that photo of Jay the girls? :-) Cotty, Annsan, and Doug - thanks for looking. And Mike Wilson, you are paying attention! Mark has the best explaination for Rick's photo portrait. I have to thank Larry Colen for the idea. I stole shamelessly, but should have

PESO - Chrome

2010-05-23 Thread frank theriault
Saw this beauty the other day: http://knarfinthecity.blogspot.com/2010/05/chrome.html Hope you enjoy. Comments welcome. cheers, frank -- Sharpness is a bourgeois concept. -Henri Cartier-Bresson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net

Re: PESO - Chrome

2010-05-23 Thread Jack Davis
Beauty is right! Studebaker existed as an automobile company from 1902 (in a failed attempt at electric cars) 'til 1958 when it went under in a merge with Packard Corp). Seems to me that, prior to 1902, they produced horse drawn wagons and buggies. Not certain, however. Jack --- On Sun,

Re: Sigma OS available for Pentax! [Scanned]

2010-05-23 Thread AlunFoto
2010/5/22 Anthony Farr farranth...@gmail.com: On 22 May 2010 12:54, Charles Robinson charl...@visi.com wrote: Ding ding ding! Care to elaborate? Hard to type with boxing gloves. :-) -- http://www.alunfoto.no/galleri/ http://alunfoto.blogspot.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List

Re: Leica M9

2010-05-23 Thread Cotty
On 22/5/10, Tom C, discombobulated, unleashed: I can guarantee you that there's plenty of people on this list who would willing partake in actions on a regular basis, that my conscience would prohibit me from doing. Shit - I'm on Youtube? -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People,

Re: PESO - Chrome

2010-05-23 Thread Cotty
On 23/5/10, frank theriault, discombobulated, unleashed: http://knarfinthecity.blogspot.com/2010/05/chrome.html Hope you enjoy. Comments welcome. Put your trousers back on. -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche -- http://www.cottysnaps.com

Re: OT: YouTube stuttering

2010-05-23 Thread John Sessoms
From: Anthony Farr On 23 May 2010 10:21, John Sessoms jsessoms...@nc.rr.com wrote: And then, I get home this evening and it's not doing it. Seems to be back to normal. ??? If your connection speed exceeds the demands of the video then there shouldn't be a problem. But sometimes the

Re: PESO Dodge

2010-05-23 Thread Cotty
On 22/5/10, Larry Colen, discombobulated, unleashed: Some of them are likely even correct. Ask me no questions and I'll tell you no lies ;) -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche -- http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML

Re: Chicago PESOs and GESOs

2010-05-23 Thread Ann Sanfedele
Boy, am I glad you posted these again, Christine... all of my mail from about May 13th and earlier is hiding somewhere on my c drive... so I'm replying to this to keep all the links... I still might add a couple more to my GESO but maybe not for a while -- it won't affect the link at all.

Re: PESO - Poem Every So Often

2010-05-23 Thread Ann Sanfedele
Tom C wrote: Standing alone on a mountain Snow falling Tranquility Looking up Myriads of snowflakes Falling out of the soft gray void Glimpse eternity For seconds Beautiful One brushes my face It reminds me of you - Three hours ago. No way to photograph it. Tom

Re: PESO - Chrome

2010-05-23 Thread David J Brooks
I like the angle you chose to shot this Dave On Sun, May 23, 2010 at 9:19 AM, frank theriault knarftheria...@gmail.com wrote: Saw this beauty the other day: http://knarfinthecity.blogspot.com/2010/05/chrome.html Hope you enjoy.  Comments welcome. cheers, frank -- Sharpness is a

Re: VeryOT: no anti-bike bias here at all, oh no, absolutely, not

2010-05-23 Thread Tom C
On 5/23/10, David Mann d...@multisport.net.nz wrote: You'd kill someone to avoid a bit of hassle? What the fuck kind of misguided ethics do you live by? Would you then return your vehicle to the dealer for a refund? David, Cut Bill a little slack would you. From what I read, he would at

Re: Returns (was Re: Leica M9)

2010-05-23 Thread John Sessoms
From: Tom C Interesting. I'm here sticking up for Christian, and I wasn't the guy that returned the camera. :-) But I understand the mindset. It's not about ripping someone off. If any one is doing that it's the mfrs., the vendors, and the retailers that have their hoards of i-dotting and

Re: OT Peso Danielle and Pippin in BW

2010-05-23 Thread David J Brooks
Yes, i'm afraid i agree with you Bob. I'll keep searching for a subject for the class Dave On Sun, May 23, 2010 at 8:49 AM, Bob Sullivan rf.sulli...@gmail.com wrote: Dave, I prefer the color version.  She looks better in color, especially her hair. Regards,  Bob S. On Sun, May 23, 2010 at

Re: PESO - Chrome

2010-05-23 Thread Ann Sanfedele
Cotty wrote: On 23/5/10, frank theriault, discombobulated, unleashed: http://knarfinthecity.blogspot.com/2010/05/chrome.html Hope you enjoy. Comments welcome. Put your trousers back on. -- Cheers, Cotty Well that was a made you look comment! :-) Ann -- PDML

Re: Leica M9

2010-05-23 Thread John Sessoms
From: Tom C Do they have the right to know the full story? If a mfr. were to make, and a retailer to sell, a shoddy product, do they let me in on it? Or do they hope people buy it and are then stuck with it, and too busy or too chicken shit to raise a stink? And even then they'll hide behind

Re: Leica M9

2010-05-23 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: eckinator Subject: Re: Leica M9 I for one am not on one, I just happen to think two wrongs don't make a right. But two Wrights can make an airplane. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net

Re: VeryOT: no anti-bike bias here at all, oh no, absolutely, not

2010-05-23 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: David Mann Subject: Re: VeryOT: no anti-bike bias here at all, oh no, absolutely, not On May 23, 2010, at 3:30 AM, William Robb wrote: There is no justification for refusing to share the road, but that is a two way street, so to speak. A cyclist who is

RE: Stupid Windows Question

2010-05-23 Thread Bob W
If it can't network efficiently and easily with XP Pro, God knows what it must be like with non-MS OSes. I'm having trouble getting it to see my NAS drive, which runs Linux. The drive shows up as a media server on the network, and sometimes even shows up as a file server on the

Re: Leica M9

2010-05-23 Thread John Sessoms
From: Rob Studdert On 23/05/2010, Boris Liberman bori...@gmail.com wrote: When faced with request from a buyer to return the mis-sold item, the buyer would parry with you're a grown up person, you should have listened better; it is too late now. Here some types of contracts have an

Re: Returns (was Re: Leica M9)

2010-05-23 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: John Sessoms Subject: Re: Returns (was Re: Leica M9) The only thing that bothered me about it was knowing XX management would blame me for giving bad customer service if the customer complained to management. Didn't matter if you were following

Re: VeryOT: no anti-bike bias here at all, oh no, absolutely, not

2010-05-23 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: Tom C Subject: Re: VeryOT: no anti-bike bias here at all, oh no, absolutely, not Cut Bill a little slack would you. From what I read, he would at least tell the dealer how the vehicle was damaged. ;-) :-))) And I'd be treating it as an insurance

Re: OT Peso Danielle and Pippin in BW

2010-05-23 Thread Bob Sullivan
Dave, How about some old, gnarly dude in BW? Maybe a self portrait? :-) Regards, Bob S. On Sun, May 23, 2010 at 10:29 AM, David J Brooks pentko...@gmail.com wrote: Yes, i'm afraid i agree with you Bob. I'll keep searching for a subject for the class Dave On Sun, May 23, 2010 at 8:49 AM,

Re: Leica M9

2010-05-23 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: John Sessoms Subject: Re: Leica M9 In the case that started this discussion, the return was made in accordance with the retailer's published return policy. Not quite. Their return policy definitely states that items that have been damaged through

RE: OT Peso Danielle and Pippin in BW

2010-05-23 Thread John Sessoms
From: David J Brooks Does this work of ya all http://www.flickr.com/photos/djbrooks/4631833810/ Click back and the colour version is available. D200 SB800 for fill, NEF file converted in LR2. The Markham fair has a Human portrait class, and this is on my short list. Comments welcome The

Re: geso My Chicago best of set.

2010-05-23 Thread Larry Colen
On May 23, 2010, at 4:52 AM, David J Brooks wrote: Ve4ry good gesoo there Larry. Thanks David, and the others who commented. I like the dance shot 5602. That my have been my keeper of the week. -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com sent from i4est -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List

Re: Sigma OS available for Pentax! [Scanned]

2010-05-23 Thread Charles Robinson
On May 23, 2010, at 8:57, AlunFoto wrote: 2010/5/22 Anthony Farr farranth...@gmail.com: On 22 May 2010 12:54, Charles Robinson charl...@visi.com wrote: Ding ding ding! Care to elaborate? Hard to type with boxing gloves. :-) I should have added: we have a winnah! But by now I've

Re: Stupid Windows Question

2010-05-23 Thread Paul Sorenson
Not true...I'm running five boxes on my network. A Win 7/64 Home, a Vista home, two XP Home and one Server 2003 as only a file server. All of them do what I want them to do. The only problem I've had was when my daughter-in-law go sucked into going to the Antivirus Soft web page on one of

GESO - more weirdness, this time in DC

2010-05-23 Thread Doug Brewer
Http://www.alphoto.com/images/weirdnessindc/ Enjoy -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.

Re: Stupid Windows Question

2010-05-23 Thread Paul Sorenson
I'm a belt and suspenders person when it comes to firewalls. Why not use both the NAT on the router and the Windows firewall and set up a firewall exception on the boxes if they don't see each other? -p On 5/23/2010 10:59 AM, Bob W wrote: Well, I always switch the Windows firewall off on my

RE: Stupid Windows Question

2010-05-23 Thread Bob W
I don't believe in over-complicating things. Firewalls give me nothing but grief at work, I don't need them doing it at home too. Although I suppose I'd have even more grief at work if we switched them off... I'm really pissed off that Dell included a firewall, switched on, in their software when

Re: GESO - more weirdness, this time in DC

2010-05-23 Thread Sasha Sobol
Nice set. I absolutely love http://www.alphoto.com/images/weirdnessindc/content/DBK79152_large.html On Sun, May 23, 2010 at 10:03 AM, Doug Brewer d...@alphoto.com wrote: Http://www.alphoto.com/images/weirdnessindc/ Enjoy -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net

Re: Stupid Windows Question

2010-05-23 Thread Adam Maas
That is in fact exactly what I do, as it offers some protection from anything that manages to get inside the network (a risk as I have two machines that spend time on public networks, at school or elsewhere). The trick is to be sure to have no more than a single firewall running on any machine,

PESO: Rice Duster

2010-05-23 Thread Jack Davis
Another shot without much consequence. Boys like airplanes is the only reason that makes any sense. I see no spray plumbing, so am guessing it's filled with rice for planting or in some way engaged in that activity. First and only one of this year. Comments happily received. Jack

Re: Returning defective goods : was RE: Leica M9

2010-05-23 Thread Igor Roshchin
Sun May 23 01:11:29 CDT 2010 Boris Liberman wrote: On 5/23/2010 1:57 AM, P. J. Alling wrote: No corporation that consistently cheats it's customers will survive. To do that you need a gun and the unrestricted will to use it. Otherwise customers will flee to another haven. Free markets are

Re: Leica M9

2010-05-23 Thread Keith Whaley
William Robb wrote: - Original Message - From: John Sessoms Subject: Re: Leica M9 In the case that started this discussion, the return was made in accordance with the retailer's published return policy. Not quite. Their return policy definitely states that items that have been

RE: Leica M9

2010-05-23 Thread Bob W
I'd say yes it did. Abnormal use = abuse. I seriously doubt that camera designers factor in an alcoholic drink being spilled onto their non-waterproof body, and would certify normal performance thereafter. I disagree. Abnormal use does not equal - indeed, does not even imply - abuse.

Re: Stupid Windows Question

2010-05-23 Thread Paul Sorenson
On 5/23/2010 12:24 PM, Bob W wrote: I don't believe in over-complicating things. Firewalls give me nothing but grief at work, I don't need them doing it at home too. Although I suppose I'd have even more grief at work if we switched them off... I'm really pissed off that Dell included a

Re: PESO: Rice Duster

2010-05-23 Thread paul stenquist
Excellent shot of an old and angry airplane. Good one. Paul On May 23, 2010, at 1:51 PM, Jack Davis wrote: Another shot without much consequence. Boys like airplanes is the only reason that makes any sense. I see no spray plumbing, so am guessing it's filled with rice for planting or in

Re: Leica M9

2010-05-23 Thread eckinator
2010/5/23 William Robb war...@gmail.com: I for one am not on one, I just happen to think two wrongs don't make a right. But two Wrights can make an airplane. And an airplane can make three lefts, some even four. Things inevitably come full circle. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List

Re: PESO: Rice Duster

2010-05-23 Thread Paul Sorenson
Nice shot of a turbine powered Ag Cat. -p On 5/23/2010 12:51 PM, Jack Davis wrote: Another shot without much consequence. Boys like airplanes is the only reason that makes any sense. I see no spray plumbing, so am guessing it's filled with rice for planting or in some way engaged in that

Re: still VeryOT: helmets...

2010-05-23 Thread eckinator
No she's got it right. She's got balls to ride a racing bike across what looks like a dance floor at high speed so she needs to protect them. 2010/5/23 Bob W p...@web-options.com: This woman's got it wrong then - she's wearing one of those on her head:

Re: Birding with the 18-250

2010-05-23 Thread eckinator
2010/5/23 Bob W p...@web-options.com: I had a similar problem with my breaksfast and a troupe of colobus monkeys in Ethiopia once. Same in Northwestern Malaysia - don't go near them with a plastic carrier bag or worse, food in your hands... dunno what kind of monkeys they were though - I can

Re: the Quercy triangle (was Re: Night photography of NY and LV)

2010-05-23 Thread eckinator
2010/5/22 Bob W p...@web-options.com: Well, not really France though... :o) But another place I would very much like to visit some day. Well worth the trip and absolutely do not miss out on the Osteria U Mulinu at Feliceto; best reached from Calvi. Reservation recommended, dinner starts at 8,

Photographing Ice Hockey: K-x vs. K20D

2010-05-23 Thread Robert Jordan
I have been reading the recent K-7 thread with great interest. I have a K20D. From September 2009-March 2010 I took at least 10,000 exposures at my son's hockey games, shooting from either a penalty box or behind the bench, using a DA 50-135 2.8, shooting with an aperature priority setting of

Re: Leica M9

2010-05-23 Thread mike wilson
William Robb wrote: - Original Message - From: eckinator Subject: Re: Leica M9 I for one am not on one, I just happen to think two wrongs don't make a right. But two Wrights can make an airplane. Can two rites make a ceremony? -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net

Re: Leica M9

2010-05-23 Thread eckinator
2010/5/23 mike wilson m.9.wil...@ntlworld.com: I for one am not on one, I just happen to think two wrongs don't make a right. But two Wrights can make an airplane. Can two rites make a ceremony? Dunno. Can two wrights make a play? -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net

Re: GESO - more weirdness, this time in DC

2010-05-23 Thread Ann Sanfedele
Doug Brewer wrote: Http://www.alphoto.com/images/weirdnessindc/ Enjoy Ann's top pick - shades of HCB :-) http://www.alphoto.com/images/weirdnessindc/content/DBK70790_large.html -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE

RE: GESO - more weirdness, this time in DC

2010-05-23 Thread Bob W
Http://www.alphoto.com/images/weirdnessindc/ Enjoy Oh alright then, I will. Some great stuff there - you have a great sense of composition and colour. I love 1, 2, 4, 7, 9, 11. B -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to

Re: PDML 2010 Annual Reconciliation?

2010-05-23 Thread eckinator
Mark, did you ask everyone directly? Cheers Ecke 2010/5/22 Tom C caka...@gmail.com: Mark, How's it looking regarding receipts for all the copies brought to the exhibit?  I know some one suggested the idea that if you end up short, that participants could voluntarily contribute so you don't

PESO -- Wait! Who's got my dignity?

2010-05-23 Thread P. J. Alling
It shouldn't happen to a dog. http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1604247/PESO/PESO%20--%20dignity.html Equipment: Pentax K20D w/smc Pentax FA 28-200 f3.8~5.6 As usual comments are welcome but may be totally ignored. -- {\rtf1\ansi\ansicpg1252\deff0\deflang1033{\fonttbl{\f0\fnil\fcharset0 Courier

RE: GESO - more weirdness, this time in DC

2010-05-23 Thread Chris Mitchell
Doug Brewer wrote: Http://www.alphoto.com/images/weirdnessindc/ Enjoy Weirdness, but good weirdness. This one stands out for me: http://www.alphoto.com/images/weirdnessindc/content/DBK70790_large.html A good set Doug. Thanks, Chris -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net

The book is here

2010-05-23 Thread eckinator
First of all my profound thanks to all the team who put the book together, everyone who donated their autographed and Chris Mitchell who took upon himself to get the book signed and sent to me. I love you all =) I am still pretty much overwhelmed by the quality of many of the images, I'll sit down

Re: PESO -- Wait! Who's got my dignity?

2010-05-23 Thread eckinator
It's a dog's life... ROFL brilliant catch... what were they thinking? Thanks for sharing Ecke 2010/5/23 P. J. Alling webstertwenty...@gmail.com: It shouldn't happen to a dog. http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1604247/PESO/PESO%20--%20dignity.html Equipment:  Pentax K20D w/smc Pentax FA 28-200 f3.8~5.6

RE: geso My Chicago best of set.

2010-05-23 Thread Chris Mitchell
Larry Colen wrote: I finally finished going through my shots from my Chicago trip and winnowed them down to 48. http://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/sets/72157623991190309/ or alternatively http://www.fluidr.com/photos/ellarsee/sets/72157623991190309/ A good set Larry. The dancing

Re: GESO - more weirdness, this time in DC

2010-05-23 Thread Cotty
Excellent. I think this one is very understated. Whatever that means. http://www.alphoto.com/images/weirdnessindc/content/DBK79152_large.html -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche -- http://www.cottysnaps.com _ --

Re: Photographing Ice Hockey: K-x vs. K20D

2010-05-23 Thread Adam Maas
On Sun, May 23, 2010 at 4:38 PM, Robert Jordan forbe...@yahoo.com wrote: I have been reading the recent K-7 thread with great interest. I have a K20D.  From September 2009-March 2010 I took at least 10,000 exposures at my son's hockey games, shooting from either a penalty box or behind the

Re: PESO: Rice Duster

2010-05-23 Thread Jack Davis
Thanks much, Paul! Yeah, I think he's pretending to be a member of the WWII P40 wrangling Flying Tigers. Looks like he's wearing a leather helmet, but I can't make out the goggles. ;-) Jack --- On Sun, 5/23/10, paul stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net wrote: From: paul stenquist

Re: Leica M9

2010-05-23 Thread Cotty
Two Wongs can make a chop suey. -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche -- http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the

Re: PESO: Rice Duster

2010-05-23 Thread Jack Davis
That's certainly what it appears to be. Deep throated power sounding beast. Jack --- On Sun, 5/23/10, Paul Sorenson allarou...@earthlink.net wrote: From: Paul Sorenson allarou...@earthlink.net Subject: Re: PESO: Rice Duster To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Date: Sunday, May 23,

Re: PESO: Rice Duster

2010-05-23 Thread Cotty
On 23/5/10, Jack Davis, discombobulated, unleashed: http://photolightimages.com/aspupload/detail.asp?ID=507 Shouldn't that be 'Please Wright Description'.? -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche -- http://www.cottysnaps.com

Re: PESO -- Wait! Who's got my dignity?

2010-05-23 Thread Jack Davis
A clear case of animal cruelty. Jack --- On Sun, 5/23/10, P. J. Alling webstertwenty...@gmail.com wrote: From: P. J. Alling webstertwenty...@gmail.com Subject: PESO -- Wait! Who's got my dignity? To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Date: Sunday, May 23, 2010, 2:25 PM It shouldn't

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