Re: PESO - Fishin'

2010-05-31 Thread DagT
Den 31. mai 2010 kl. 07.50 skrev Bruce Dayton: Early morning as the sun peeks through the trees and fog. Pentax K-x, DA* 16-50/2.8 @ 28mm ISO 500, 1/60 sec @ f/10, Handheld http://www.daytonphoto.com/PAW/fathersons2010_00096-1.htm Comments welcome Lovely. It brought back some

Re: PESO - Fishin'

2010-05-31 Thread Toine
Lovely, I want to go fishing! On 31 May 2010 07:50, Bruce Dayton bkday...@daytonphoto.com wrote: Early morning as the sun peeks through the trees and fog. Pentax K-x, DA* 16-50/2.8 @ 28mm ISO 500, 1/60 sec @ f/10, Handheld http://www.daytonphoto.com/PAW/fathersons2010_00096-1.htm Comments

Re: PESO - Fishin'

2010-05-31 Thread Rob Studdert
On 31/05/2010, Bruce Dayton bkday...@daytonphoto.com wrote: Early morning as the sun peeks through the trees and fog. Pentax K-x, DA* 16-50/2.8 @ 28mm ISO 500, 1/60 sec @ f/10, Handheld http://www.daytonphoto.com/PAW/fathersons2010_00096-1.htm Love the overall lighting, perfect balance and

Re: OT: help RECEIVED with a couple of Windows/dos commands I've forgotten other crap

2010-05-31 Thread mike wilson
Ann Sanfedele wrote: Got good info off list... So you guys can go back to sleep now :-) ann (UNLESS - someone knows how to bringback my 79 mgs of sent mail into the Netscape format that the update kinda forced me into...) I take it you have tried the import command under the tools menu?

Re: OT - Abobe Woes

2010-05-31 Thread mike wilson
Brian Walters wrote: G'day all I've been a bit quiet lately because I'm on the road and in lurk mode. However most of the places I've stayed have either free or cheap WiFi so I've been able to get online more frequently than I thought I would. Anyway... I came across this post on Paul

Re: GESO - Chicago May 2010 - Day 1

2010-05-31 Thread Rob Studdert
On 30/05/2010, Tom C caka...@gmail.com wrote: http://photo.net/photodb/presentation?presentation_id=505078 I like your style, great little gallery. -- Rob Studdert (Digital Image Studio) Tel: +61-418-166-870 UTC +10 Hours Gmail, eBay, Skype, Twitter, Facebook, Picasa: distudio -- PDML

Re: OT: Kids are Dying in Cars

2010-05-31 Thread Boris Liberman
On 5/30/2010 5:02 PM, Bob W wrote: Exactly so. You're consistent in your perspective. That's excellent. ... I also think it should be legal for adults to use class A drugs if they want to. Adults are responsible for their own safety; parents and relatives are responsible for the safety of

Re: OT: Kids are Dying in Cars

2010-05-31 Thread Boris Liberman
On 5/30/2010 5:13 PM, Bob W wrote: [...] out to be just too damn dumb, there will always be someone else suffering the consequences with you or for you and this is exactly where that kind of thinking becomes terminally selfish cheers ecke in that case you're going to have to legislate to

Re: OT: Kids are Dying in Cars

2010-05-31 Thread Boris Liberman
On 5/30/2010 9:00 PM, P. J. Alling wrote: It shouldn't be. But I'm a libertarian, if you want to commit suicide it's none of my concern, as long as you don't take unwilling others with you. That's right. But we're discussing something that I can have no influence onto. Being a child,

Re: OT: Kids are Dying in Cars

2010-05-31 Thread Boris Liberman
On 5/30/2010 11:54 PM, paul stenquist wrote: I didn't say that the fact that much of the cost goes back into the economy is a reason to do this. I just pointed out, correctly, that the cost per device times the number of cars isn't the true cost to society. And I'm not necessarily in favor of

Re: OT: Kids are Dying in Cars

2010-05-31 Thread Boris Liberman
On 5/31/2010 6:06 AM, Ken Waller wrote: Boris, to me the issue is that this is an issue that doesn't affect a great many people. Only those that, for what ever reason, leave their children in their vehicle. And for that the entire society should be penalized ? I am thinking your wording is

Re: OT: Kids are Dying in Cars

2010-05-31 Thread Boris Liberman
On 5/30/2010 8:44 PM, P. J. Alling wrote: Boris There might be some merit to that. Some studies, (I wish I had a link but a Google search will probably turn up a bunch pro and con), have show that in many cases intersections are safer with fewer lights, and signs. Drivers are more cautious

Re: OT: Kids are Dying in Cars

2010-05-31 Thread Bob W
Two questions. 1. What is it class A drugs? I am unfamiliar with drugs classification. stuff like heroin. 2. Consider the same situation from the child perspective. Once born in a state of A, B or C, they become fully fledged citizens of that state, right? Then, does it mean that mere

Re: PESO - Fishin'

2010-05-31 Thread Bob W
Early morning as the sun peeks through the trees and fog. Pentax K-x, DA* 16-50/2.8 @ 28mm ISO 500, 1/60 sec @ f/10, Handheld http://www.daytonphoto.com/PAW/fathersons2010_00096-1.htm that should be on the cover of Fishin' magazine. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net

Re: GESO: Zombie Walk through Boston

2010-05-31 Thread Bob W
I wasn't dressed up, but I did wear my expedition hat. :) http://www.flickr.com/photos/bethpeardonprods/3464594396/ I love the little caption underneath the portrait of a person that says 'This photo has people in it'. It reminds me of the notice on packets of peanuts saying 'Warning:

Re: OT: Kids are Dying in Cars

2010-05-31 Thread Boris Liberman
On 5/31/2010 12:45 PM, Bob W wrote: broadly speaking it is the parents' responsibility to make sure that their children grow up. However the rest of us as individuals and the state itself have a duty to intervene in certain cases where any person, not just a child, is in clear and present

Re: OT: Kids are Dying in Cars

2010-05-31 Thread Bob W
[...] in that case you're going to have to legislate to remove all possible self-imposed risk from the world. You're going to have to make smoking illegal, you're going to have to make sunbathing for longer than 30 minutes a day illegal, crossing the road while the green man is flashing, walking

Re: GESO: Zombie Walk through Boston

2010-05-31 Thread Derby Chang
David Parsons wrote: http://www.flickr.com/photos/alohadave/sets/72157624039413171/ I attended a Zombie March through downtown Boston yesterday. It was tons of fun, and highly recommended if there is one in your area. More delicious than a bucket of brains. There are some hot zombies in

Re: OT - Abobe Woes

2010-05-31 Thread Rob Studdert
On 31/05/2010, Brian Walters supera1...@fastmail.fm wrote: BTW, Paul Butzi is the brains behind SoFoBoMo which gets underway officially tomorrow. http://www.sofobomo.org/HomePage Take a look. I had fun with it in 2009, although I'm still trying to finalise a project for this year. Good

Re: OT: Kids are Dying in Cars

2010-05-31 Thread paul stenquist
On May 30, 2010, at 11:56 PM, Ken Waller wrote: Kenneth Waller http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller - Original Message - From: paul stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net Subject: Re: OT: Kids are Dying in Cars On May 30, 2010, at 11:19 PM, Ken Waller wrote: Kenneth

Re: OT: help with a couple of Windows/dos commands I've, forgotten and other crap

2010-05-31 Thread David Mann
On May 31, 2010, at 10:01 AM, John Sessoms wrote: From: Adam Maas Win98 still runs? Crawls, limps, hobbles along ... whatever, but yeah it still runs. I still have my old Windows 3.11 install disks somewhere. I thought about installing it in Virtualbox just for kicks, until I realised it

Re: PESO - Fishin'

2010-05-31 Thread paul stenquist
Nice scene. Wonderful light. Well done. Paul On May 31, 2010, at 1:50 AM, Bruce Dayton wrote: Early morning as the sun peeks through the trees and fog. Pentax K-x, DA* 16-50/2.8 @ 28mm ISO 500, 1/60 sec @ f/10, Handheld http://www.daytonphoto.com/PAW/fathersons2010_00096-1.htm Comments

Re: PESO - My first panorama

2010-05-31 Thread David Mann
On May 31, 2010, at 10:06 AM, Tim Øsleby wrote: http://maritimtim.blogspot.com/2010/05/panorama-movatnet-1.html For some reason that reminded me of Lake Pearson. http://www.bluemoon.net.nz/photo/photodb/view.php?p=346r=1 Here's more of a daylight shot.

Re: OT: help with a couple of Windows/dos commands I've forgotten andother crap

2010-05-31 Thread David Mann
On May 31, 2010, at 5:19 AM, Bob W wrote: Instead of using an editor that's limited why not try a different editor? Textpad is a very good one http://www.textpad.com/download/. You can download it free on a tryout basis, and pay for it only if you decide to keep it. I liked it so much, I

Re: OT: Kids are Dying in Cars

2010-05-31 Thread Larry Colen
On May 30, 2010, at 8:03 PM, Ken Waller wrote: Kenneth Waller http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller - Original Message - From: Bob W p...@web-options.com Subject: Re: OT: Kids are Dying in Cars y're not taking into account that the budget is limited so you have to

Re: OT - Abobe Woes

2010-05-31 Thread David Mann
On May 31, 2010, at 11:49 AM, Mark Roberts wrote: A absolutely love the suggestion in the most recent reply on his blog: Uninstall both apps and do a complete reinstall. And then repair privileges. And if (when) that doesn't work buy a new version of the software. We're almost getting to

Re: OT: Kids are Dying in Cars

2010-05-31 Thread Boris Liberman
On 5/31/2010 1:13 PM, Bob W wrote: yes, sure, but that's changing the terms of the discussion. So far the discussion has been about whether the state has a right to force the individual to something 'for his own good'. I say it doesn't. It could be that you and I had a discussion on close but

PESO street art and skies

2010-05-31 Thread Madame RD
from my trip to London and Hampton Court . street art : http://www.flickr.com/photos/la_meduse/4655285617/ skies and clouds : quite like it despite the noise .. http://www.flickr.com/photos/la_meduse/4655903214/sizes/m/ comments welcome . so much to learn and so many good photographers out

Re: OT: Kids are Dying in Cars

2010-05-31 Thread eckinator
2010/5/31 Larry Colen l...@red4est.com: I believe that hospitals call it triage. field hospitals, yes. the only war this issue is possibly facing is a flame war. doug, can you implement post/thread triage on the list? -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net

Re: OT: Kids are Dying in Cars

2010-05-31 Thread Bob W
By saying that parents have to make minute-by-minute decisions you actually assign quite a lot to the parents. ? That's what being a parent is! Modern society goes very long way to make one's life easier, so to say. And here you are asking parents to make minute-by-minute decisions... I

Re: OT: help with a couple of Windows/dos commands I've forgotten andother crap

2010-05-31 Thread Rob Studdert
On 31/05/2010, David Mann d...@multisport.net.nz wrote: I used to use Textpad at work but I switched to Notepad++ http://notepad-plus.sourceforge.net/uk/site.htm It has a couple of simple little features that I just can't go without anymore. And it's neither vi nor Emacs ;) I've recently

Re: OT: Kids are Dying in Cars

2010-05-31 Thread eckinator
2010/5/31 Bob W p...@web-options.com: come off it, Boris. If the parents don't make those decisions, who does? Are you seriously telling me that you would grant to someone else the right to take minute-by-minute decisions about your children? Who? Your local catholic priest? The mayor of your

Re: GESO: Zombie Walk through Boston

2010-05-31 Thread Larry Colen
On May 30, 2010, at 3:04 PM, Cotty wrote: On 30/5/10, David Parsons, discombobulated, unleashed: I attended a Zombie March through downtown Boston yesterday. It was tons of fun, and highly recommended if there is one in your area. These are not sentences I ever expect to read on the

Re: PESO - Fishin'

2010-05-31 Thread Jack Davis
Beautifully done, Bruce! Crisp and ideally exposed. Jack --- On Sun, 5/30/10, Bruce Dayton bkday...@daytonphoto.com wrote: From: Bruce Dayton bkday...@daytonphoto.com Subject: PESO - Fishin' To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Date: Sunday, May 30, 2010, 10:50 PM Early morning as

Re: OT - Abobe Woes

2010-05-31 Thread AlunFoto
Sooo... The guy upgraded his OS, and an app stops working. snigger Then, what happens in Windows world is that Microsoft gets the blame for issuing a faulty upgrade. Interesting that the feline thingie from Apple is so totally off the hook. /snigger However OS upgrades and Adobe don't go well

Re: PESO - Fishin'

2010-05-31 Thread Daniel J. Matyola
Wonderful mood! You captured the time, place and activity perfectly. Dan On Mon, May 31, 2010 at 1:50 AM, Bruce Dayton bkday...@daytonphoto.com wrote: Early morning as the sun peeks through the trees and fog. Pentax K-x, DA* 16-50/2.8 @ 28mm ISO 500, 1/60 sec @ f/10, Handheld

Re: GESO - Chicago May 2010 - Day 1

2010-05-31 Thread Daniel J. Matyola
Wonderful patterns, great colors, very nice gallery. Thanks for sharing it. Dan On Mon, May 31, 2010 at 4:11 AM, Rob Studdert distudio.p...@gmail.com wrote: On 30/05/2010, Tom C caka...@gmail.com wrote: http://photo.net/photodb/presentation?presentation_id=505078 I like your style, great

Re: GESO: Zombie Walk through Boston

2010-05-31 Thread Mark Roberts
Larry Colen wrote: On May 30, 2010, at 3:04 PM, Cotty wrote: On 30/5/10, David Parsons, discombobulated, unleashed: I attended a Zombie March through downtown Boston yesterday. It was tons of fun, and highly recommended if there is one in your area. These are not sentences I ever expect to

Re: OT: Kids are Dying in Cars

2010-05-31 Thread Boris Liberman
On 5/31/2010 2:07 PM, Bob W wrote: Modern society goes very long way to make one's life easier, so to say. And here you are asking parents to make minute-by-minute decisions... I don't think it is too liberal, you know. come off it, Boris. If the parents don't make those decisions, who does?

Re: OT: Kids are Dying in Cars

2010-05-31 Thread Boris Liberman
On 5/31/2010 2:23 PM, eckinator wrote: 2010/5/31 Bob Wp...@web-options.com: look at the linked article again Bob, please - it states clearly that the cause can be beyond conscious control because it all happens in the lizard portion of your brain. you wouldn't trust your gecko to look after your

Re: OT: Kids are Dying in Cars

2010-05-31 Thread eckinator
2010/5/31 Boris Liberman bori...@gmail.com: Naturally, under these conditions the only thing that can happen if we continue this talk is more grinding and eventual halt at a dead end. Keep grinding guys but don't forget the bumping =) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net

Re: OT: Kids are Dying in Cars

2010-05-31 Thread P N Stenquist
On May 31, 2010, at 7:05 AM, eckinator wrote: 2010/5/31 Larry Colen l...@red4est.com: I believe that hospitals call it triage. field hospitals, yes. the only war this issue is possibly facing is a flame war. doug, can you implement post/thread triage on the list? Wrong. The issue will

Re: Kids are Dying in Cars

2010-05-31 Thread William Robb
On 30/05/2010 10:11 PM, Rob Studdert wrote: On 31/05/2010, Bob Sullivanrf.sulli...@gmail.com wrote: These kids aren't that old. It was a late model car with the brake/shift interlock installed. Kids are resourceful! Again I wonder how much of the fault is the parents? My little guy loves to

Re: OT: Kids are Dying in Cars

2010-05-31 Thread eckinator
2010/5/31 P N Stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net: Wrong. The issue will face a war of words in Washington. In fact, it has already begun. Great =) ...easily said from my side of the pond... Doug doesn't censor the list. Members are free to ignore a thread if they so choose. I know. I was

Re: Kids are Dying in Cars

2010-05-31 Thread eckinator
2010/5/31 William Robb war...@gmail.com: If a person wants to commit infanticide on their spawn, that's all well and good. Mark! Even out of context, a point well made. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML,

Re: OT - Abobe Woes

2010-05-31 Thread William Robb
On May 31, 2010, at 11:49 AM, Mark Roberts wrote: A absolutely love the suggestion in the most recent reply on his blog: Uninstall both apps and do a complete reinstall. And then repair privileges. And if (when) that doesn't work buy a new version of the software. IIRC, the timeline for

Re: OT: Kids are Dying in Cars

2010-05-31 Thread William Robb
On 31/05/2010 2:12 AM, Boris Lieberman wrote: So, you say, injecting heroin (provided it is injected) is fine as long as it is done behind doors alone? Isn't it a bit shallow perspective? Actually Boris, if, as a society we said yes, it is OK, and then treated the fallout as a public health

Re: Kids are Dying in Cars

2010-05-31 Thread Rob Studdert
On 31/05/2010, William Robb war...@gmail.com wrote: If a person wants to commit infanticide on their spawn, that's all well and good. While I don't approve, it's their business and the law will deal with them, but don't involve me in your retardic episode by letting some 4 year old toss a car

Re: OT: Kids are Dying in Cars

2010-05-31 Thread eckinator
2010/5/31 William Robb war...@gmail.com: So, you say, injecting heroin (provided it is injected) is fine as long as it is done behind doors alone? Isn't it a bit shallow perspective? Actually Boris, if, as a society we said yes, it is OK, and then treated the fallout as a public health issue

Re: OT: Kids are Dying in Cars

2010-05-31 Thread William Robb
On 31/05/2010 2:14 AM, Boris Liberman wrote: Bob, it is not black/white scenario like you seem to be trying to paint it. I am thinking that self-imposed is the keyword here. If a state can protect you from somebody *else's* stupidity (because, pardon my bluntness, you're not omniscient or

Re: OT: Kids are Dying in Cars

2010-05-31 Thread William Robb
On 31/05/2010 4:13 AM, Bob W wrote: you might just as well herd all the kids into state-run boarding schools where they will, no doubt, be much safer... Canada tried that with a portion of it's population. If you are curious, Google residential schools (you many have to add Canada to that if

Re: OT - Abobe Woes

2010-05-31 Thread Adam Maas
On Mon, May 31, 2010 at 9:28 AM, William Robb war...@gmail.com wrote: On May 31, 2010, at 11:49 AM, Mark Roberts wrote: We're almost getting to the point of completely reinstalling a newly upgraded machine because of our Photoshop licensing problem. It comes down to a silly mistake we made,

Re: OT: Kids are Dying in Cars

2010-05-31 Thread Bob W
[...] I know. I was kidding. Triage suggested it. And the greater benefit for the greater number is a good guiding principle. But some applications of it are ugly. it's a terrible guiding principle - it inevitably leads to totalitarianism. Bob -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List

Re: OT: Kids are Dying in Cars

2010-05-31 Thread Tom Ivar Helbekkmo
Bob W p...@web-options.com writes: I don't believe buckling up should be mandatory, any more than wearing cycling helmets should be mandatory. I also think it should be legal for adults to use class A drugs if they want to. In principle, I'm with you on all three points. However, there's

Re: OT: Kids are Dying in Cars

2010-05-31 Thread William Robb
On 31/05/2010 4:59 AM, Boris Liberman wrote: By saying that parents have to make minute-by-minute decisions you actually assign quite a lot to the parents. Modern society goes very long way to make one's life easier, so to say. And here you are asking parents to make minute-by-minute

Re: OT: Kids are Dying in Cars

2010-05-31 Thread Tom Ivar Helbekkmo
Bob W p...@web-options.com writes: Now, the classic starting point for liberalism is that you are free to do whatever you want, provided you don't infringe the right of other people to do the same. With regard to my previous comment about taking up emergency room capacity: the decision that

Re: OT: Kids are Dying in Cars

2010-05-31 Thread Boris Liberman
On 5/31/2010 4:45 PM, William Robb wrote: So Boris, how is forcing me to spend an extra couple of hundred dollars or so on a new vehicle for a baby seat monitor that will never be used going to protect me from someone else's stupidity? How is someone doing a shake and bake on their infant by

Re: OT - Abobe Woes

2010-05-31 Thread William Robb
On 31/05/2010 7:53 AM, Adam Maas wrote: Different issue actually, Adobe's VERY restrictive on licensing, upgrades have to be the same type of license as the previous one. For example, I've got PS CS3 Extended. I don't use the extra features of Extended over Standard, but due to licensing

Re: OT: Kids are Dying in Cars

2010-05-31 Thread William Robb
On 31/05/2010 7:41 AM, eckinator wrote: 2010/5/31 William Robbwar...@gmail.com: So, you say, injecting heroin (provided it is injected) is fine as long as it is done behind doors alone? Isn't it a bit shallow perspective? Actually Boris, if, as a society we said yes, it is OK, and then

Re: OT: help RECEIVED with a couple of Windows/dos commands I've forgotten other crap

2010-05-31 Thread Ann Sanfedele
mike wilson wrote: Ann Sanfedele wrote: Got good info off list... So you guys can go back to sleep now :-) ann (UNLESS - someone knows how to bringback my 79 mgs of sent mail into the Netscape format that the update kinda forced me into...) I take it you have tried the import command

Re: OT: Kids are Dying in Cars

2010-05-31 Thread Bob W
I don't believe buckling up should be mandatory, any more than wearing cycling helmets should be mandatory. I also think it should be legal for adults to use class A drugs if they want to. In principle, I'm with you on all three points. However, there's also the cost to society of handling the

Re: OT: Kids are Dying in Cars

2010-05-31 Thread Boris Liberman
On 5/31/2010 5:09 PM, William Robb wrote: The point is, that the onus is on the parent to look after their child in a way that is consistent with ensuring that child grows up to adulthood and becomes a contributing member of society. True. It's not my responsibility to do that unless I put

Re: OT: Kids are Dying in Cars

2010-05-31 Thread William Robb
On 31/05/2010 8:12 AM, Boris Liberman wrote: On 5/31/2010 4:45 PM, William Robb wrote: So Boris, how is forcing me to spend an extra couple of hundred dollars or so on a new vehicle for a baby seat monitor that will never be used going to protect me from someone else's stupidity? How is someone

Re: GESO: Zombie Walk through Boston

2010-05-31 Thread P. J. Alling
On 5/31/2010 7:42 AM, Larry Colen wrote: On May 30, 2010, at 3:04 PM, Cotty wrote: On 30/5/10, David Parsons, discombobulated, unleashed: I attended a Zombie March through downtown Boston yesterday. It was tons of fun, and highly recommended if there is one in your area.

Re: OT: Kids are Dying in Cars

2010-05-31 Thread William Robb
On 31/05/2010 8:28 AM, Boris Liberman wrote: I would even disagree that it is my responsibility to get involved in a child being locked in a hot car, in that the law should have no right to force me to get involved, either by actively coercing me by saying I have to, or passively coercing me

Re: OT: Kids are Dying in Cars

2010-05-31 Thread P. J. Alling
On 5/31/2010 4:36 AM, Boris Liberman wrote: On 5/30/2010 8:44 PM, P. J. Alling wrote: Boris There might be some merit to that. Some studies, (I wish I had a link but a Google search will probably turn up a bunch pro and con), have show that in many cases intersections are safer with fewer

Re: PESO - Fishin'

2010-05-31 Thread Bob Sullivan
Bruce, I especially like how the light thru the trees falls on the fisherman, and the fog outlines the path the light took. Wonderful photo...good for next year's pdml annual! Regards, Bob S. On Mon, May 31, 2010 at 12:50 AM, Bruce Dayton bkday...@daytonphoto.com wrote: Early morning as the sun

Re: OT: Kids are Dying in Cars

2010-05-31 Thread P. J. Alling
...you might just as well herd all the kids into state-run boarding schools where they will, no doubt, be much safer... laughingGood one Bob./laughing On 5/31/2010 6:13 AM, Bob W wrote: [...] in that case you're going to have to legislate to remove all possible self-imposed risk from the

Re: PESO street art and skies

2010-05-31 Thread Bob Sullivan
OMG! Those trees have the terrible pokadot disease. They need to be quarentined immediately. Nice image of the setting and unusual scenery. Regards, Bob S. On Mon, May 31, 2010 at 6:00 AM, Madame RD romd...@orange.fr wrote: from my trip to London and Hampton Court . street art :

Re: OT: Kids are Dying in Cars

2010-05-31 Thread Rob Studdert
On 01/06/2010, Boris Liberman bori...@gmail.com wrote: Well, I am not sure your car has it, but my sure does - it is called ISOFix and it is a set of anchors (for lack of better word) that are used in order to extra securely attach a child seat... So glad you brought this up Boris ;-) ISOFix

PESO Velothon Berlin 2010

2010-05-31 Thread Steffen Zahn
Sunday was a bicyle race in Berlin, called Skoda Velothon 2010 Pentax K100D, Walimex 85mm F1.4 http://www.flickr.com/photos/steffenz/4652617613/ More: http://www.flickr.com/photos/steffenz/tags/velothon/ Comments welcome. best regards Steffen -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List

Re: OT: Kids are Dying in Cars

2010-05-31 Thread Tom Ivar Helbekkmo
Bob W p...@web-options.com writes: The approach you suggest leads to absurd consequences which would be unacceptable in any right-thinking society. Only if you insist on taking it to the extreme. Real societies don't. It's part of being a human and living in a civilised society. To me, an

Re: OT - Abobe Woes

2010-05-31 Thread Bruce Walker
Brian Walters wrote: I came across this post on Paul Butzi's blog. It gave me a bit of a chuckle. http://photomusings.wordpress.com/2010/05/29/more-adobe-nightmares/ Thanks for that, Brian. I got much more then a chuckle from it; more of a painful side-splitting effect. :) -bmw -- PDML

Re: OT: Kids are Dying in Cars

2010-05-31 Thread Bob W
The approach you suggest leads to absurd consequences which would be unacceptable in any right-thinking society. Only if you insist on taking it to the extreme. Real societies don't. that's because real societies don't adopt the approach you suggest. Bob -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail

Re: Kids are Dying in Cars

2010-05-31 Thread Cotty
On 31/5/10, Rob Studdert, discombobulated, unleashed: Kids and ignition keys don't mix. My little guy never gets his hands on my car keys no matter how far or near we are to the car. This only works on the premise that your little guy is littler than you. Once it's the other way around, things

OT: Number crunchers

2010-05-31 Thread Bob W
Some interesting data here about the world's supercomputers: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/10187248.stm 2 things that surprised me were the extent to which Linux dominates, and the mere fact that Windows has a share of the market at all. B -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List

Re: Kids are Dying in Cars

2010-05-31 Thread Bob W
Kids and ignition keys don't mix. My little guy never gets his hands on my car keys no matter how far or near we are to the car. This only works on the premise that your little guy is littler than you. Once it's the other way around, things get a lot trickier ;-) next time we have some hot

Re: OT: Kids are Dying in Cars

2010-05-31 Thread Tom Ivar Helbekkmo
Bob W p...@web-options.com writes: The approach you suggest leads to absurd consequences which would be unacceptable in any right-thinking society. Only if you insist on taking it to the extreme. Real societies don't. that's because real societies don't adopt the approach you suggest.

Re: OT: Kids are Dying in Cars

2010-05-31 Thread Bob W
Then you've misunderstood me. I'm only saying that it may be necessary for societies to limit the freedom of individual members to perform acts that may result in unacceptable added cost or reduced freedom to other members of that same society. sure, that's perfectly consistent with the

Re: OT: Kids are Dying in Cars

2010-05-31 Thread eckinator
2010/5/31 Bob W p...@web-options.com: [...] I know. I was kidding. Triage suggested it. And the greater benefit for the greater number is a good guiding principle. But some applications of it are ugly. it's a terrible guiding principle - it inevitably leads to totalitarianism. Democracy

Re: OT - Abobe Woes

2010-05-31 Thread Scott Loveless
On 5/31/10, William Robb war...@gmail.com wrote: Interesting. I just tried updating from CS Extended to CS5, and was able to reach the checkout. Yeah. Go ahead and buy it. Sucker. g -- Scott Loveless http://www.twosixteen.com/fivetoedsloth/ __o _'\,_ (*)/ (*) -- PDML

Re: OT - Abobe Woes

2010-05-31 Thread Scott Loveless
On 5/30/10, Bob W p...@web-options.com wrote: I came across this post on Paul Butzi's blog. It gave me a bit of a chuckle. http://photomusings.wordpress.com/2010/05/29/more-adobe-nightmares/ and they say Dante was inventive in his description of Hell. I was miffed the other day

Re: OT: Kids are Dying in Cars

2010-05-31 Thread John Francis
On Mon, May 31, 2010 at 11:12:10AM +0300, Boris Liberman wrote: 2. Consider the same situation from the child perspective. Once born in a state of A, B or C, they become fully fledged citizens of that state, right? Wrong. For some number of years (exact number depending on where you

Re: PESO street art and skies

2010-05-31 Thread Madame RD
too late for the quarantine ; there were six or seven or them already spoted .. dominique Le 31/05/10 17:00, Bob Sullivan a écrit : OMG! Those trees have the terrible pokadot disease. They need to be quarentined immediately. Nice image of the setting and unusual scenery. Regards, Bob

Re: OT: Kids are Dying in Cars

2010-05-31 Thread eckinator
2010/5/31 William Robb war...@gmail.com: I find it galling enough that as a non parent my tax dollars are being spent on subsidized day care or school taxes. Pondering whether to take a deep breath and shut my trap or let you have a piece of my mind here... -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List

Re: OT: Kids are Dying in Cars

2010-05-31 Thread Tom Ivar Helbekkmo
Bob W p...@web-options.com writes: sure, that's perfectly consistent with the liberal idea. The difficulties arise when you try to apply the limits fairly and how you decide what unacceptable means. I never said it was easy. :) Anwyay, we're obviously on the same page. -tih -- SIGTHTBABW

Re: OT: Kids are Dying in Cars

2010-05-31 Thread John Francis
On Mon, May 31, 2010 at 01:05:54PM +0200, eckinator wrote: 2010/5/31 Larry Colen l...@red4est.com: I believe that hospitals call it triage. field hospitals, yes. the only war this issue is possibly facing is a flame war. doug, can you implement post/thread triage on the list? Actually,

Re: Kids are Dying in Cars

2010-05-31 Thread Tom C
Bob, When I was 5 or 6 years old, my family went for a day trip in Pennsylvania to look at the autumn leaves. My parents left my 2-yr old brother, asleep in the car seat, and we walked maybe 50 yards up the road, still in sight of the vehicle. When we turned around to walk back to the car we

Re: OT: Kids are Dying in Cars

2010-05-31 Thread P. J. Alling
On 5/31/2010 4:21 AM, Boris Liberman wrote: On 5/30/2010 11:54 PM, paul stenquist wrote: I didn't say that the fact that much of the cost goes back into the economy is a reason to do this. I just pointed out, correctly, that the cost per device times the number of cars isn't the true cost to

Re: OT: Kids are Dying in Cars

2010-05-31 Thread P. J. Alling
On 5/31/2010 7:05 AM, eckinator wrote: 2010/5/31 Larry Colenl...@red4est.com: I believe that hospitals call it triage. field hospitals, yes. the only war this issue is possibly facing is a flame war. doug, can you implement post/thread triage on the list? Every hospitial engages

Camping at GFM

2010-05-31 Thread Scott Loveless
Who's camping? If anyone needs a place to crash, lemme know. I'll bring along the big, giant tent. My father-in-law has graciously lent his screened pavilion to the cause, so maybe we can cover a picnic table and gather there during the inevitable rain. I'll throw some extension cords and

Re: OT: Kids are Dying in Cars

2010-05-31 Thread John Francis
On Mon, May 31, 2010 at 06:32:23PM +0200, eckinator wrote: 2010/5/31 William Robb war...@gmail.com: I find it galling enough that as a non parent my tax dollars are being spent on subsidized day care or school taxes. Pondering whether to take a deep breath and shut my trap or let you

Re: OT - Abobe Woes

2010-05-31 Thread John Francis
On Mon, May 31, 2010 at 12:29:17PM -0400, Scott Loveless wrote: On 5/30/10, Bob W p...@web-options.com wrote: I came across this post on Paul Butzi's blog. It gave me a bit of a chuckle. http://photomusings.wordpress.com/2010/05/29/more-adobe-nightmares/ and they say

Re: OT: Kids are Dying in Cars

2010-05-31 Thread Tom C
I personally believe: 1) A society has the responsibility to look out for the safety, health, and education of all it's citizens. 2) To that end, every individual is taxed to provide that, for the greater good of all. 3) Deaths of children left in cars is tragic in every case. 4) Statistically,

Re: OT: Kids are Dying in Cars

2010-05-31 Thread P. J. Alling
On 5/31/2010 6:39 AM, paul stenquist wrote: On May 30, 2010, at 11:56 PM, Ken Waller wrote: Kenneth Waller http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller - Original Message - From: paul stenquistpnstenqu...@comcast.net Subject: Re: OT: Kids are Dying in Cars On May 30,

Re: Kids are Dying in Cars

2010-05-31 Thread DagT
Den 31. mai 2010 kl. 06.11 skrev Rob Studdert: On 31/05/2010, Bob Sullivan rf.sulli...@gmail.com wrote: These kids aren't that old. It was a late model car with the brake/shift interlock installed. Kids are resourceful! Again I wonder how much of the fault is the parents? My little guy

Re: OT: Kids are Dying in Cars

2010-05-31 Thread P. J. Alling
Great frauds from tiny increments grow. The fact that you, or for that matter, I personally wouldn't notice the relatively small increase in the cost of an automobile. Howmany gigantic boondoggles do we put up with because it doesn't cost much money us individually? On 5/31/2010 1:05 PM,

Re: OT: Kids are Dying in Cars

2010-05-31 Thread Tom C
Don't get me started Peter... :-) On Mon, May 31, 2010 at 1:23 PM, P. J. Alling webstertwenty...@gmail.com wrote: Great frauds from tiny increments grow.  The fact that you, or for that matter, I personally wouldn't notice the relatively small increase in the cost of an automobile.  Howmany

Re: OT: Kids are Dying in Cars

2010-05-31 Thread P. J. Alling
crysus vs crises how did the spell checker let me send that? On 5/31/2010 1:00 PM, P. J. Alling wrote: On 5/31/2010 7:05 AM, eckinator wrote: 2010/5/31 Larry Colenl...@red4est.com: I believe that hospitals call it triage. field hospitals, yes. the only war this issue is possibly facing is a

Re: PESO - My first panorama

2010-05-31 Thread Toine
Looks perfect for me. Handheld? Toine On 31 May 2010 00:06, Tim Øsleby maritim...@gmail.com wrote: http://maritimtim.blogspot.com/2010/05/panorama-movatnet-1.html Stitched in Elements Photomerge. That's obviously not the prefect tool for the job. -- MaritimTim

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