Re: OT: Kids are Dying in Cars

2010-06-01 Thread John Francis
On Tue, Jun 01, 2010 at 08:18:58AM +0300, Boris Liberman wrote: On 5/31/2010 7:29 PM, John Francis wrote: Wrong. For some number of years (exact number depending on where you live) they are citizens, but not yet fully fledged - they are minors. A minor does not have the right to vote, or to

Re: OT: Kids are Dying in Cars

2010-06-01 Thread Boris Liberman
On 6/1/2010 9:13 AM, John Francis wrote: It's complicated. In general, the rights of the state (or country, here) are subservient to the rights of the individual. That includes the right of the presumed legal guardian of the child (the parent, typically) to make decisions that may, in some

Re: OT - Abobe Woes

2010-06-01 Thread Joseph McAllister
On May 31, 2010, at 09:29 , Scott Loveless wrote: On 5/30/10, Bob W p...@web-options.com wrote: chuckle. http://photomusings.wordpress.com/2010/05/29/more-adobe-nightmares/ and they say Dante was inventive in his description of Hell. I was miffed the other day when Adobe decided that,

Re: Peso Backyard Columbines

2010-06-01 Thread David J Brooks
Thanks The three that i have all have that blood red colour to them. Dave On Mon, May 31, 2010 at 7:55 PM, paul stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net wrote: Nice color. I have a lot of Columbine, but none that are true red. Paul On May 31, 2010, at 6:53 PM, David J Brooks wrote: I know, i

Re: OT - Abobe Woes

2010-06-01 Thread David Mann
On Jun 1, 2010, at 4:26 AM, Scott Loveless wrote: On 5/31/10, William Robb war...@gmail.com wrote: Interesting. I just tried updating from CS Extended to CS5, and was able to reach the checkout. Yeah. Go ahead and buy it. Sucker. What he said. We bought it online and AFAIK we weren't

Re: OT - Abobe Woes

2010-06-01 Thread David Mann
On Jun 1, 2010, at 10:11 AM, Rob Studdert wrote: On 01/06/2010, steve harley p...@paper-ape.com wrote: citation please, or it's balderdash; best i can find is a 2002 study that says Mac users (then, at least) were richer and better educated http://news.cnet.com/2100-1040-943519.html

Re: PESO street art and skies

2010-06-01 Thread David Mann
On May 31, 2010, at 11:00 PM, Madame RD wrote: from my trip to London and Hampton Court . street art : http://www.flickr.com/photos/la_meduse/4655285617/ I would assume the Japanese artist your caption refers to would be Yayoi Kusama. We went to an exhibition of her work a few months ago,

Re: OT - Abobe Woes

2010-06-01 Thread Joseph McAllister
On May 31, 2010, at 10:04 , John Francis wrote: I'm (mostly) pro-Adobe; I'm happy with Lightroom, and with Elements. But I do get pissed off when, every time I open a .PDF file, I end up with a little taskbar notifier telling me there is an update available. I've tried to turn it off a couple

Re: PESO - A Splash of Daisies

2010-06-01 Thread David J Brooks
Nicely done. Dave On Mon, May 31, 2010 at 10:06 PM, frank theriault knarftheria...@gmail.com wrote: Didn't take too many photos this weekend, despite the gorgeous weather.  Saw these daisies, however (I love daisies) and thought they looked pretty nice:

Re: PESO street art and skies

2010-06-01 Thread David J Brooks
Lovely Dave On Mon, May 31, 2010 at 7:00 AM, Madame RD romd...@orange.fr wrote: from my trip to London and Hampton Court . street art : http://www.flickr.com/photos/la_meduse/4655285617/ skies and clouds : quite like it despite the noise  ..

Re: PESO - My first panorama

2010-06-01 Thread David J Brooks
Nice peaceful shot Dave On Sun, May 30, 2010 at 6:06 PM, Tim Øsleby maritim...@gmail.com wrote: http://maritimtim.blogspot.com/2010/05/panorama-movatnet-1.html Stitched in Elements Photomerge. That's obviously not the prefect tool for the job. -- MaritimTim

Re: OT - Abobe Woes

2010-06-01 Thread Joseph McAllister
On May 31, 2010, at 11:22 , P. J. Alling wrote: On 5/31/2010 2:06 PM, steve harley wrote: On 2010-05-30 18:53 , William Robb wrote: It couldn't possibly be a problem with his vaunted Mac being unable to install a piece of software, so it must be Adobe's fault. i can't vouch for the dude

Re: OT - Abobe Woes

2010-06-01 Thread AlunFoto
2010/5/31 steve harley p...@paper-ape.com: Anyway, during conversation, he mentioned some study or other where researchers had found that Mac users typically are somewhat less intelligent than PC users. citation please, or it's balderdash; best i can find is a 2002 study that says Mac users

Re: OT - Abobe Woes

2010-06-01 Thread Joseph McAllister
On May 31, 2010, at 13:05 , John Sessoms wrote: et me see if I can sum this up succinctly ... y'all correct me if I get it wrong. The guy had a functioning installation of Adobe InDesign CS3, and PhotoShop CS4 BEFORE INSTALLING A NEW OPERATING SYSTEM on his Mac ... and now it's Adobe's

RE: PUGs are up

2010-06-01 Thread John Coyle
Anyone else still having problems with the PUG galleries. Still can't connect... Igor? John in Brisbane -Original Message- From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Scott Loveless Sent: Wednesday, 26 May 2010 1:38 AM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject:

Re: OT - Abobe Woes

2010-06-01 Thread Cotty
On 31/5/10, John Sessoms, discombobulated, unleashed: Seventy-five percent of statistics on the internet are made up on the spot anyway. Mark! -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche -- http://www.cottysnaps.com _ --

Re: OT - Abobe Woes

2010-06-01 Thread Cotty
On 1/6/10, AlunFoto, discombobulated, unleashed: Statistically insignificant observation from a population of nature photographers in the South Atlantic last year: The Mac users had far less general computer competence than had the PC users. Your sample: they were nature photographers but were

Re: Kids are Dying in Cars

2010-06-01 Thread mike wilson
On 30/05/2010 10:11 PM, Rob Studdert wrote: On 31/05/2010, Bob Sullivanrf.sulli...@gmail.com  wrote: These kids aren't that old.  It was a late model car with the brake/shift interlock installed. Kids are resourceful! Again I wonder how much of the fault is the parents? My little guy

Regret - I missed out on tickets to Bill Cunningham New York

2010-06-01 Thread Derby Chang
I hope this comes out on blu ray eventually. http://tix.sff.org.au/session2.asp?sn=Bill+Cunningham+New+York The blurb is out of date. He no longer lives in Carnegie Hall. In one of his best blogs to date, Bill is nostalgic. That must have been a fun place to live.

Re: Kids are Dying in Cars

2010-06-01 Thread Rob Studdert
On 01/06/2010, mike wilson m.9.wil...@ntlworld.com wrote: Don't you believe it. My sprog does the same and, with _no instruction from me whatsoever_ she reached over, turned on the CD/Radio, switched from radio to CD and put on her favourite. This week she asked me what one of the stalks on

Re: OT: help RECEIVED with a couple of Windows/dos commands I've forgotten other crap

2010-06-01 Thread mike wilson
On 31 May 2010 15:26, Ann Sanfedele ann...@nyc.rr.com wrote: mike wilson wrote: Ann Sanfedele wrote: Got good info off list... So you guys can go back to sleep now :-) ann (UNLESS - someone knows how to bringback my 79 mgs of sent mail into the Netscape format that the update kinda

Re: OT - Abobe Woes

2010-06-01 Thread steve harley
On 2010-05-31 12:22 , P. J. Alling wrote: Richer and better educated doesn't necessarly translate to more intellegent. which is why i didn't say i had disproved the assertion; just pointing out how fruitless my search for the study had been Though it used to be that Mac users didn't want

Re: Kids are Dying in Cars

2010-06-01 Thread Boris Liberman
On 6/1/2010 12:22 PM, mike wilson wrote: She will be fully capable of the mechanics of driving in another two years. I don't know whether to be proud or terrified. How about 'proudly terrified'? Or 'terrifyingly proud'? ;-) Boris -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net

Re: Kids are Dying in Cars

2010-06-01 Thread mike wilson
On 1 June 2010 10:40, Rob Studdert distudio.p...@gmail.com wrote: On 01/06/2010, mike wilson m.9.wil...@ntlworld.com wrote: Don't you believe it.  My sprog does the same and, with _no instruction from me whatsoever_ she reached over, turned on the CD/Radio, switched from radio to CD and put

Re: Kids are Dying in Cars

2010-06-01 Thread mike wilson
On 1 June 2010 10:55, Boris Liberman bori...@gmail.com wrote: On 6/1/2010 12:22 PM, mike wilson wrote: She will be fully capable of the mechanics of driving in another two years.  I don't know whether to be proud or terrified. How about 'proudly terrified'? Or 'terrifyingly proud'? ;-) It

RE: PUGs are up

2010-06-01 Thread Theodore Beilby
still broke for me! -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.

Re: PUGs are up

2010-06-01 Thread eckinator
2010/6/1 Theodore Beilby tbei...@sbcglobal.net: still broke for me! I'm browsing and it won't come up! -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.

Re: PUGs are up

2010-06-01 Thread Madame RD
can't connect either .. dominique Le 01/06/10 10:13, John Coyle a écrit : Anyone else still having problems with the PUG galleries. Still can't connect... Igor? John in Brisbane -Original Message- From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Scott

Re: Kids are Dying in Cars

2010-06-01 Thread Boris Liberman
On 6/1/2010 12:58 PM, mike wilson wrote: On 1 June 2010 10:55, Boris Libermanbori...@gmail.com wrote: On 6/1/2010 12:22 PM, mike wilson wrote: She will be fully capable of the mechanics of driving in another two years. I don't know whether to be proud or terrified. How about 'proudly

Re: OT - Abobe Woes

2010-06-01 Thread AlunFoto
2010/6/1 Cotty cotty...@mac.com: Your sample: they were nature photographers but were they professional nature photographers or were they from varied and different professional backgrounds? Varied and different professional backgrounds. Would you like to hazard a guess what the outcome might

Re: PESO street art and skies

2010-06-01 Thread Madame RD
Le 01/06/10 09:14, David Mann a écrit : On May 31, 2010, at 11:00 PM, Madame RD wrote: from my trip to London and Hampton Court . street art : http://www.flickr.com/photos/la_meduse/4655285617/ I would assume the Japanese artist your caption refers to would be Yayoi Kusama. We

OT: A follow-up to the hyperthermia article

2010-06-01 Thread paul stenquist
Since there was so much earnest debate of the forgotten-child issue here, I thought some might want to see the followup on the Times blog this morning. http://wheels.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/06/01/as-the-weather-warms-hyperthermia-deaths-mount/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net

Re: OT - Abobe Woes

2010-06-01 Thread P. J. Alling
On 6/1/2010 4:30 AM, Cotty wrote: On 31/5/10, John Sessoms, discombobulated, unleashed: Seventy-five percent of statistics on the internet are made up on the spot anyway. Mark! Since that's just a minor variation on the original, (dropon the internet and you've got it), this

Re: PUGs are up

2010-06-01 Thread Ann Sanfedele
Theodore Beilby wrote: still broke for me! Me too ann -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.

Re: PUGs are up

2010-06-01 Thread Daniel J. Matyola
The web site appears to be completely down: The webpage pug.komkon.org cannot be found DNS error occurred. Server cannot be found. The link may be broken. On Tue, Jun 1, 2010 at 9:04 AM, Ann Sanfedele ann...@nyc.rr.com wrote: Theodore Beilby wrote: still broke for me! Me too ann

Re: OT - Abobe Woes

2010-06-01 Thread William Robb
On 01/06/2010 1:53 AM, Joseph McAllister wrote: As I aged, however, I became more and more pleased that Apple made the machines unpack and plug-in to play. Why screw around if you don't have to. :-) Yes well, you can buy an off the shelf PC if you want to. I have a lot of friends who do just

Re: OT - Abobe Woes

2010-06-01 Thread Boris Liberman
On 6/1/2010 4:11 PM, William Robb wrote: With Mac, you are locked in to what Steve Jobs tells you to buy. Now I realize that /he/ and /Jesus Christ/ are one and the same to (apparently most) Mac users, but I still like the option of choice. It surely explains why I am not going to be buying a

Re: MBOI Leica to Pentax lens adaptor on eBay

2010-06-01 Thread Thibouille
28mm to 45.5 is indeed much. Anyway, a lens would have to be VERY good to warrant a need for an 'optical adapter' IMO. Thanks for clearing things up about actual register distance of both mounts. 2010/5/28 Adam Maas a...@mawz.ca: Those optical adapters can handle a few mm of difference in

Re: OT: A follow-up to the hyperthermia article

2010-06-01 Thread Daniel J. Matyola
Paul: There may be disagreement on what the appropriate remedy should be, but your fine articles perform a great public service by bringing public attention to this unfortunate problem. I for one am extremely proud of you. Dan On Tue, Jun 1, 2010 at 8:30 AM, paul stenquist

Re: OT - Abobe Woes

2010-06-01 Thread William Robb
On 01/06/2010 2:36 AM, Cotty wrote: Would you like to hazard a guess what the outcome might have been if you were aboard a boat full of professional photographers ? (By this I mean people whose main source of income is from their photography.) I bet it would be more or less the same. --

Re: OT - Abobe Woes

2010-06-01 Thread William Robb
On 01/06/2010 1:11 AM, David Mann wrote: Interesting. I just tried updating from CS Extended to CS5, and was able to reach the checkout. Yeah. Go ahead and buy it. Sucker. What he said. We bought it online and AFAIK we weren't required to enter a license code (if we had to, it

Re: OT - Abobe Woes

2010-06-01 Thread William Robb
On 01/06/2010 1:59 AM, Joseph McAllister wrote: I reiterate: Adobe had 1.5 years advance notice. Apple made available lists of software that would break. Adobe was at the top of the alpha list. Adobe, in couched terms, basically said their software would break under undisclosed circumstances.

Re: OT - Abobe Woes

2010-06-01 Thread William Robb
On 01/06/2010 1:59 AM, Joseph McAllister wrote: I reiterate: Adobe had 1.5 years advance notice. Apple made available lists of software that would break. Adobe was at the top of the alpha list. Adobe, in couched terms, basically said their software would break under undisclosed circumstances.

Re: OT - Abobe Woes

2010-06-01 Thread Daniel J. Matyola
Adobe's software isn't compatible with any OS. I use photoshop and reader, but Adobe is a royal pain in the ass. Every update takes much longer than necessary and ties up my computer. A surprising number of update fail to load properly, and have to be done again. Adobe is the second most

Re: OT - Abobe Woes

2010-06-01 Thread William Robb
Sorry about the double post on this subject line. Thunderbird doesn't work the same as Outlook Express, and frankly, it doesn't work anywhere near as well, either. -- William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE

Re: OT: help RECEIVED with a couple of Windows/dos commands I've forgotten other crap

2010-06-01 Thread Ann Sanfedele
mike wilson wrote: On 31 May 2010 15:26, Ann Sanfedele ann...@nyc.rr.com wrote: mike wilson wrote: Ann Sanfedele wrote: Got good info off list... So you guys can go back to sleep now :-) ann (UNLESS - someone knows how to bringback my 79 mgs of sent mail into the Netscape

Re: OT - Abobe Woes

2010-06-01 Thread William Robb
On 01/06/2010 7:32 AM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote: Adobe's software isn't compatible with any OS. I use photoshop and reader, but Adobe is a royal pain in the ass. Every update takes much longer than necessary and ties up my computer. A surprising number of update fail to load properly, and have

Re: OT - Abobe Woes

2010-06-01 Thread Daniel J. Matyola
I have never had trouble with Thunderbird. Our office has OE, and I consider it far less flexible and quite a bit slower. For important things, I always use Thunderbird. Dan On Tue, Jun 1, 2010 at 9:48 AM, William Robb war...@gmail.com wrote: Sorry about the double post on this subject line.

Re: OT - Abobe Woes

2010-06-01 Thread Cotty
On 1/6/10, AlunFoto, discombobulated, unleashed: I see what kind of argument you play me up to, but even this pre-condition is no warranty. For example, one of the guys made a substantial (his word) income from printing fine art for other artists. He owned one of those giant Epsons, nine thousand

Re: OT: Kids are Dying in Cars

2010-06-01 Thread P. J. Alling
On 6/1/2010 1:35 AM, Boris Liberman wrote: On 5/31/2010 5:56 PM, P. J. Alling wrote: I won't appoligize, after all I also called myself an idiot. There are other options, if your car has keyless entry you may already have one solution. Some keyless systems won't let you lock the car if an

Re: OT - Abobe Woes

2010-06-01 Thread Cotty
On 01/06/2010 2:36 AM, Cotty wrote: Would you like to hazard a guess what the outcome might have been if you were aboard a boat full of professional photographers ? (By this I mean people whose main source of income is from their photography.) On 1/6/10, William Robb, discombobulated,

Re: OT: Kids are Dying in Cars

2010-06-01 Thread Boris Liberman
On 6/1/2010 4:59 PM, P. J. Alling wrote: Boris, I love you man, but give me a break. Break is thereby given, granted and sealed. I am feeling awfully close to the language/on-line communication barrier here, because I wasn't saying that you dislike technology and I was trying to say

The PUG is down

2010-06-01 Thread Scott Loveless
On 6/1/10, Daniel J. Matyola danmaty...@gmail.com wrote: The web site appears to be completely down: I just got a message from Igor about this. He said: I am aware of the problems with the server connectivity. The long weekend complicated figuring out with the provider what that did to our

Re: OT - Abobe Woes

2010-06-01 Thread Cotty
On 1/6/10, Cotty, discombobulated, unleashed: Just like they would in the days before computers - they would know what goes on in the film just as well, but perhaps not well enough to start fixing one of those humungous automated processing machines. That should read: ...goes on in the film

Re: OT: Kids are Dying in Cars

2010-06-01 Thread P. J. Alling
On 6/1/2010 1:16 AM, Boris Liberman wrote: On 5/31/2010 10:17 PM, paul stenquist wrote: Part of the problem with making a warning device optional is that everyone believes it could never happen to them. That's also part of why it happens with relative frequency. Three deaths this week alone in

Re: OT: Kids are Dying in Cars

2010-06-01 Thread P. J. Alling
On 6/1/2010 1:20 AM, Boris Liberman wrote: On 5/31/2010 7:58 PM, P. J. Alling wrote: For this we might save and I stress might save the lives of 26 children a year. I say the money is better spent on cigarettes and booze. Peter, I cannot, will not and should not argue with such an argument.

Re: OT - Abobe Woes

2010-06-01 Thread P. J. Alling
On 6/1/2010 9:11 AM, William Robb wrote: On 01/06/2010 1:53 AM, Joseph McAllister wrote: As I aged, however, I became more and more pleased that Apple made the machines unpack and plug-in to play. Why screw around if you don't have to. :-) Yes well, you can buy an off the shelf PC if you

Re: OT - Abobe Woes

2010-06-01 Thread William Robb
On 01/06/2010 7:51 AM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote: I have never had trouble with Thunderbird. Our office has OE, and I consider it far less flexible and quite a bit slower. For important things, I always use Thunderbird. The things I'm having problems with is OE let me choose where my store

Re: OT - Abobe Woes

2010-06-01 Thread William Robb
On 01/06/2010 8:37 AM, P. J. Alling wrote: When did Steve Jobs become JC and why didn't I get the memo? It was only sent to Mac users -- William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please

Re: OT - Abobe Woes

2010-06-01 Thread P. J. Alling
On 6/1/2010 5:54 AM, steve harley wrote: On 2010-05-31 12:22 , P. J. Alling wrote: Richer and better educated doesn't necessarly translate to more intellegent. which is why i didn't say i had disproved the assertion; just pointing out how fruitless my search for the study had been Though

Re: OT - Abobe Woes

2010-06-01 Thread Daniel J. Matyola
Google has apparently decided to ban the use of MS operating systems in its facilities, making employees switch to Macs or Linux. Then again, what does Google know? G http://www.ft.com/cms/s/2/d2f3f04e-6ccf-11df-91c8-00144feab49a.html Dan On 01/06/2010 1:53 AM, Joseph McAllister wrote: As

Re: OT - Abobe Woes

2010-06-01 Thread P. J. Alling
Google is a competitor with Microsoft, they both want the same thing, TWD, total world domination, Now Linux and Apple may want the same thing but for a number of reasons that's unlikely with either. Why give sustenance to your enemy? On 6/1/2010 10:38 AM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote: Google

Re: OT - Abobe Woes

2010-06-01 Thread William Robb
On 01/06/2010 8:38 AM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote: Google has apparently decided to ban the use of MS operating systems in its facilities, making employees switch to Macs or Linux. Then again, what does Google know?G http://www.ft.com/cms/s/2/d2f3f04e-6ccf-11df-91c8-00144feab49a.html They know

Re: OT - Abobe Woes

2010-06-01 Thread Matthew Hunt
On Tue, Jun 1, 2010 at 10:34 AM, William Robb war...@gmail.com wrote: The things I'm having problems with is OE let me choose where my store folder was located, which allowed me to move it off the OS drive and onto my mirrored drive, which made me feel a bit safer about data loss. I don't

Re: OT: Kids are Dying in Cars

2010-06-01 Thread Tom C
Having checked the stats... In 2007... children aged: 1... 57 drownings 1-4.. 458 drownings (#1 rank of deaths by unintentional injury for 2007 in this age group) 5-9.. 122 drownings apparently people get stupider as they age as opposed to smarter

Re: OT: Kids are Dying in Cars

2010-06-01 Thread P. J. Alling
On 6/1/2010 11:33 AM, Tom C wrote: Having checked the stats... In 2007... children aged: 1... 57 drownings 1-4.. 458 drownings (#1 rank of deaths by unintentional injury for 2007 in this age group) 5-9.. 122 drownings apparently people get

Re: OT - Abobe Woes

2010-06-01 Thread John Francis
On Tue, Jun 01, 2010 at 03:03:33PM +0100, Cotty wrote: In my experience, those who make a living from the tools they use make it a point to understand them and ensure they keep working, be that cameras, lenses or computers. Two words - Ken Rockhead. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List

Re: OT - Abobe Woes

2010-06-01 Thread William Robb
On 01/06/2010 10:28 AM, John Francis wrote: On Tue, Jun 01, 2010 at 03:03:33PM +0100, Cotty wrote: In my experience, those who make a living from the tools they use make it a point to understand them and ensure they keep working, be that cameras, lenses or computers. Two words - Ken

Re: OT: A follow-up to the hyperthermia article

2010-06-01 Thread paul stenquist
Thanks Dan. Much appreciated. Paul On Jun 1, 2010, at 9:16 AM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote: Paul: There may be disagreement on what the appropriate remedy should be, but your fine articles perform a great public service by bringing public attention to this unfortunate problem. I for one am

Re: OT: A follow-up to the hyperthermia article

2010-06-01 Thread Madame RD
agreed . It's an excellent article and the chosen examples are striking enough to make one aware of the danger ... dominique Le 01/06/10 15:16, Daniel J. Matyola a écrit : Paul: There may be disagreement on what the appropriate remedy should be, but your fine articles perform a great public

Re: OT - Abobe Woes

2010-06-01 Thread Paul Sorenson
On 6/1/2010 9:34 AM, William Robb wrote: And, as I just discovered, if I walk away from the computer with an email in mid composition, it will leave it open, but also drop it into the drafts folder. It doesn't give me the option of sending when I want to. OE would allow me to hit send on the

Re: PUGs are up

2010-06-01 Thread Patrick Nelson
Can't access from South Africa either Patrick John Coyle wrote: Anyone else still having problems with the PUG galleries. Still can't connect... Igor? John in Brisbane -Original Message- From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Scott Loveless Sent:

Re: OT - Abobe Woes

2010-06-01 Thread steve harley
On 2010-06-01 08:46 , P. J. Alling wrote: Google is a competitor with Microsoft, they both want the same thing, TWD, total world domination, Now Linux and Apple may want the same thing but for a number of reasons that's unlikely with either. Why give sustenance to your enemy? uh, Google and

Re: OT - Abobe Woes

2010-06-01 Thread William Robb
On 01/06/2010 11:12 AM, Paul Sorenson wrote: On 6/1/2010 9:34 AM, William Robb wrote: And, as I just discovered, if I walk away from the computer with an email in mid composition, it will leave it open, but also drop it into the drafts folder. It doesn't give me the option of sending when I

Re: OT - Abobe Woes

2010-06-01 Thread William Robb
On 01/06/2010 11:24 AM, steve harley wrote: On 2010-06-01 08:46 , P. J. Alling wrote: Google is a competitor with Microsoft, they both want the same thing, TWD, total world domination, Now Linux and Apple may want the same thing but for a number of reasons that's unlikely with either. Why give

Re: OT - Abobe Woes

2010-06-01 Thread steve harley
On 2010-06-01 08:40 , P. J. Alling wrote: On 6/1/2010 5:54 AM, steve harley wrote: that stereotype was mostly generated by Apple marketing -- playing to people's insecurities about whatever computer they were using I guess it worked, when I more or less decided to join the PC revolution,

Re: OT - Abobe Woes

2010-06-01 Thread P. J. Alling
On 6/1/2010 1:49 PM, William Robb wrote: On 01/06/2010 11:24 AM, steve harley wrote: On 2010-06-01 08:46 , P. J. Alling wrote: Google is a competitor with Microsoft, they both want the same thing, TWD, total world domination, Now Linux and Apple may want the same thing but for a number of

Re: OT - Abobe Woes

2010-06-01 Thread steve harley
On 2010-06-01 11:49 , William Robb wrote: On 01/06/2010 11:24 AM, steve harley wrote: On 2010-06-01 08:46 , P. J. Alling wrote: Google is a competitor with Microsoft, they both want the same thing, TWD, total world domination, Now Linux and Apple may want the same thing but for a number of

Re: OT - Abobe Woes

2010-06-01 Thread P. J. Alling
On 6/1/2010 2:16 PM, steve harley wrote: On 2010-06-01 08:40 , P. J. Alling wrote: On 6/1/2010 5:54 AM, steve harley wrote: that stereotype was mostly generated by Apple marketing -- playing to people's insecurities about whatever computer they were using I guess it worked, when I more or

Re: OT - Abobe Woes

2010-06-01 Thread William Robb
On 01/06/2010 12:19 PM, steve harley wrote: On 2010-06-01 11:49 , William Robb wrote: On 01/06/2010 11:24 AM, steve harley wrote: On 2010-06-01 08:46 , P. J. Alling wrote: Google is a competitor with Microsoft, they both want the same thing, TWD, total world domination, Now Linux and Apple

Re: OT - Abobe Woes

2010-06-01 Thread P. J. Alling
On 6/1/2010 2:16 PM, steve harley wrote: On 2010-06-01 08:40 , P. J. Alling wrote: On 6/1/2010 5:54 AM, steve harley wrote: that stereotype was mostly generated by Apple marketing -- playing to people's insecurities about whatever computer they were using I guess it worked, when I more or

Re: OT - Abobe Woes

2010-06-01 Thread paul stenquist
On Jun 1, 2010, at 2:21 PM, P. J. Alling wrote: Apple has been playing on MS's turf all along without making major inroads into their core business. Diversity has its benefits: http://www.nytimes.com/2010/05/27/technology/27apple.html On 6/1/2010 1:49 PM, William Robb wrote: On

Re: OT: A follow-up to the hyperthermia article

2010-06-01 Thread eckinator
Totally agree with you both. Keep it up, Paul. Ecke 2010/6/1 Madame RD romd...@orange.fr: agreed . It's an excellent article and the chosen examples are striking enough to make one aware of the danger ... dominique Le 01/06/10 15:16, Daniel J. Matyola a écrit : Paul: There may be

Re: OT - Abobe Woes

2010-06-01 Thread William Robb
On 01/06/2010 12:42 PM, paul stenquist wrote: Diversity has its benefits: http://www.nytimes.com/2010/05/27/technology/27apple.html The 150,000,000 that Microsoft gave them probably didn't hurt too much either. -- William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net

Re: OT - Abobe Woes

2010-06-01 Thread paul stenquist
On Jun 1, 2010, at 2:56 PM, William Robb wrote: On 01/06/2010 12:42 PM, paul stenquist wrote: Diversity has its benefits: http://www.nytimes.com/2010/05/27/technology/27apple.html The 150,000,000 that Microsoft gave them probably didn't hurt too much either. For a company valued

Re: Kids are Dying in Cars

2010-06-01 Thread Larry Colen
On Jun 1, 2010, at 2:40 AM, Rob Studdert wrote: On 01/06/2010, mike wilson m.9.wil...@ntlworld.com wrote: Don't you believe it. My sprog does the same and, with _no instruction from me whatsoever_ she reached over, turned on the CD/Radio, switched from radio to CD and put on her

Re: Kids are Dying in Cars

2010-06-01 Thread Bob W
I have a couple of friends that when they were something like 3 5 (it was before I knew them, I didn't meet the older brother until we were 7) took the family car out for a drive, with one standing on the seat and steering while the other worked the pedals. we used to do that, although we

Re: OT - Abobe Woes

2010-06-01 Thread P. J. Alling
By market cap, but that only measures what the circulatiing stock is worth, not how big a company actually is. A bad trading day and Microsoft could be back on top, a bad trading week and Apple could lose half it's value, (the same is true for Microsoft, but that's beside the point). How

PESO - My first panorama using CS4

2010-06-01 Thread Jerry in Arizona
I wa interested in this series cuz I was trying my first pano in CS4.  I guess I am not knowledgement to understand the comment not the perfect tool for the job.  Looks pretty good to me.  Anyway, folowing the comment to try Hugin I downloaded it and tried it after using the CS4 to merge two

GESO - A day of dance

2010-06-01 Thread Chris Mitchell
WARNING: Contains images of gratuitous Morris dancing. From Upton House and the village of Bampton in Oxfordshire: http://www.mitch.myzen.co.uk/UptonBampton2/ K7 and DA*50-135. Sorry that there are no references to forgotten children - just thought I'd be a bit controversial and post some

Re: GESO - A day of dance

2010-06-01 Thread Doug Brewer
Chris Mitchell wrote: WARNING: Contains images of gratuitous Morris dancing. From Upton House and the village of Bampton in Oxfordshire: http://www.mitch.myzen.co.uk/UptonBampton2/ K7 and DA*50-135. Sorry that there are no references to forgotten children - just thought I'd be a bit

Re: GESO - A day of dance

2010-06-01 Thread Bob W
WARNING: Contains images of gratuitous Morris dancing. From Upton House and the village of Bampton in Oxfordshire: http://www.mitch.myzen.co.uk/UptonBampton2/ K7 and DA*50-135. Sorry that there are no references to forgotten children - just thought I'd be a bit controversial and post some

Re: OT - Abobe Woes

2010-06-01 Thread William Robb
On 01/06/2010 1:03 PM, paul stenquist wrote: For a company valued at 222 billion, that's a drop in the bucket. When the bailout happened, Apple was worth somewhat less than a drop in a bucket. They had pretty much been written off for dead. -- William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail

Re: OT - Abobe Woes

2010-06-01 Thread steve harley
On 2010-06-01 07:27 , William Robb wrote: On 01/06/2010 1:59 AM, Joseph McAllister wrote: I reiterate: Adobe had 1.5 years advance notice. Apple made available lists of software that would break. Adobe was at the top of the alpha list. Adobe, in couched terms, basically said their software

Re: OT - Abobe Woes

2010-06-01 Thread steve harley
On 2010-06-01 12:33 , William Robb wrote: On 01/06/2010 12:19 PM, steve harley wrote: On 2010-06-01 11:49 , William Robb wrote: On 01/06/2010 11:24 AM, steve harley wrote: On 2010-06-01 08:46 , P. J. Alling wrote: Google is a competitor with Microsoft, they both want the same thing, TWD,

Re: OT - Abobe Woes

2010-06-01 Thread steve harley
On 2010-06-01 12:39 , P. J. Alling wrote: Google want's to turn the Browser into an OS replacement. Microsoft owns the Desktop OS market. You think potential monopolists have changed since J.D. Rockefeller and Standard Oil? i've been a desktop developer for most of my career, but the future is

Re: OT - Abobe Woes

2010-06-01 Thread steve harley
On 2010-06-01 14:14 , William Robb wrote: On 01/06/2010 1:03 PM, paul stenquist wrote: For a company valued at 222 billion, that's a drop in the bucket. When the bailout happened, Apple was worth somewhat less than a drop in a bucket. They had pretty much been written off for dead. it

Re: GESO - A day of dance

2010-06-01 Thread Rick Womer
I really enjoyed these, especially Never too young! Rick http://photo.net/photos/RickW --- On Tue, 6/1/10, Chris Mitchell chris.mitch...@which.net wrote: From: Chris Mitchell chris.mitch...@which.net Subject: GESO - A day of dance To: 'Pentax-Discuss Mail List' pdml@pdml.net Date:

Re:GESO - A day of dance

2010-06-01 Thread Theodore Beilby
Very strange, I do like #3291.  I love how little kids react to live music. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.

Re: GESO - A day of dance

2010-06-01 Thread Bob Sullivan
Chris, Looks like something straight out of Montie Python! Regards, Bob S. On Tue, Jun 1, 2010 at 2:55 PM, Chris Mitchell chris.mitch...@which.net wrote: WARNING: Contains images of gratuitous Morris dancing. From Upton House and the village of Bampton in Oxfordshire:

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