Anyone looking for Zeiss Optics

70 Years or more ago Zeiss and the Germans made good lenses - perhaps the best - as there were no others making lenses then!!?? The Russians and the Japanese stepped in to slowly match Zeiss and later exceed them. They were followed by the Koreans who made equally good optics. And now the Chinese

Re: GESO: Foggy Morning

A fine study of a young male turkey! The deer are dear too. Alan C -Original Message- From: Paul Stenquist Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2017 9:34 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: GESO: Foggy Morning At the Troy Nature Center: http://photo.net/photodb/folder?folder_id=1095466 --

Re: Peso-Red-tailed Pair

A good catch, Jack. The one on the left has a rather condescending expression. Alan C -Original Message- From: Jack Davis Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2017 9:48 PM To: PDML Subject: Peso-Red-tailed Pair Have been house bound now for a couple rainy windy weeks. Experiencing a case of

Re: PESO - Watching

The yellow wall is my favorite (sorry< skipped ahead, can help myself) ann On 1/22/2017 8:43 PM, Rick Womer wrote: In the Alfama district: http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=18333418 (K-5, DA 16-45) Comments appreciated. Rick -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net

RE: PESO - Restaurante Lautasco

Things must have changed since I was there in 1975. I had good food almost everywhere, but the best was at a bull ring some one hour's drive north of Lisbon. Although a tourist restaurant's idea of a prawn cocktail was a sundae glass of shrimps covered with tomato sauce! John in Brisbane

Re: PESO:Bob W

Chris Mitchell wrote: From our trip to London today: https://www.dropbox.com/s/17y4txv4001zuie/XE2S0305.jpg?dl=0 Great photo... of a rather challenging subject :-) Chris PS - no Leicas changed hands. yet? -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com (postbox on min4est)

Re: GESO The Stickmen at Kuumbwa Jazz

Rick Womer wrote: Excellent job with really tough lighting and background. I like them. Thanks a bunch Rick. Rick On Jan 21, 2017, at 5:57 PM, Larry Colen wrote: A friend asked if I wanted to see The Stickmen last night, they call themselves Prog Noir. They got their name because

Re: PESO - Watching

Well seen catch, Rick. I might have taken a couple closer shots as well. J Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 22, 2017, at 5:43 PM, Rick Womer wrote: > > In the Alfama district: > > http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=18333418 > > (K-5, DA 16-45) > > Comments

Re: GESO The Stickmen at Kuumbwa Jazz

Excellent job with really tough lighting and background. I like them. Rick On Jan 21, 2017, at 5:57 PM, Larry Colen wrote: > A friend asked if I wanted to see The Stickmen last night, they call > themselves Prog Noir. They got their name because it's two people playing > chapman sticks and

PESO - Watching

In the Alfama district: http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=18333418 (K-5, DA 16-45) Comments appreciated. Rick -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow

Re: PESO - Restaurante Lautasco

Thanks, Chris. From the UK, it's a worthwhile trip: the abbey, the Gulbenkian Museum, Alfama, the Barrio Alto, and Sintra are well worth visiting. The rest of the city is McEurope, and the food... well, let's just say that the Spanish culinary revolution of the last decade hasn't gotten there yet.

Re: PESO:Bob W

I know him! Speaks French, as I recall. Excellent portrait! Rick http://photo.net/photos/RickW On Sun, Jan 22, 2017 at 2:21 PM, Chris Mitchell wrote: > From our trip to London today: > https://www.dropbox.com/s/17y4txv4001zuie/XE2S0305.jpg?dl=0 > > Chris > PS - no

Re: Peso-Red-tailed Pair

Appreciated, Dan! J Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 22, 2017, at 3:35 PM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote: > > Fine capture of one of my favorite birds! > > Dan Matyola > http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola > >> On Sun, Jan 22, 2017 at 2:48 PM, Jack Davis

Re: Classicism, (Post-)Modernism and the Genius of Evil

In addition to the giggles the shots of Chris gave me, I really love the first two BW's and the window closeup in the Borough market. a good shoot ann On 1/22/2017 3:25 PM, Bob W-PDML wrote: http://www.web-options.com/TateJan17/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net

Re: GESO: Foggy Morning

Nicely done. My personal favorites are 1937 and 2032. Dan Matyola http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola On Sun, Jan 22, 2017 at 2:34 PM, Paul Stenquist wrote: > At the Troy Nature Center: > http://photo.net/photodb/folder?folder_id=1095466 > > -- > PDML

Re: Peso four generations

Well Done. Dan Matyola http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola On Sun, Jan 22, 2017 at 11:45 AM, David J Brooks wrote: > They say one of the hardest photos to capture is a 4 generation family > shot of the same sex. After our granddaughter Gwen was born i wanted >

Re: Classicism, (Post-)Modernism and the Genius of Evil

Nice gallery, Bob. They are all fine images, but I really love the shot with the shattered glass ( http://www.web-options.com/TateJan17/content/L1000548_large.html ) Dan Matyola http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola On Sun, Jan 22, 2017 at 3:25 PM, Bob W-PDML

Re: Peso-Red-tailed Pair

Fine capture of one of my favorite birds! Dan Matyola http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola On Sun, Jan 22, 2017 at 2:48 PM, Jack Davis wrote: > > > Have been house bound now for a couple rainy windy weeks. > Experiencing a case of "cabin fever" which I'll

Re: Peso four generations

LOL I have not used elements 9 for a long time. I went to do a brush selection and my brush shape came out as a little drawing i did one day a few years ago. No problem i 'll just select a different brush, well that dd not work. I now cannot get the selection took to draw just a fine line around

Re: Pauls photos in the news

Essentially. Paul via phone > On Jan 22, 2017, at 6:15 PM, Steve Cottrell wrote: > > On 22/1/17, Paul Stenquist, discombobulated, unleashed: > >> I'm a scrivener by trade. The photography is an adjunct. > > You were assimilated? > > -- > > > Cheers, > Cotty > > >

Re: PESO:Bob W

On 22/1/17, Mark Roberts, discombobulated, unleashed: >We arrive on May 6! Don't believe you ;-) -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__Broadcast, Corporate, || (O) |Web Video Production -- _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net

Re: Peso four generations

On 22/1/17, David J Brooks, discombobulated, unleashed: >I'll try Keep the blood pressure in check! -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__Broadcast, Corporate, || (O) |Web Video Production -- _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net

Re: Pauls photos in the news

On 22/1/17, Paul Stenquist, discombobulated, unleashed: > I'm a scrivener by trade. The photography is an adjunct. You were assimilated? -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__Broadcast, Corporate, || (O) |Web Video Production -- _ -- PDML

Re: Classicism, (Post-)Modernism and the Genius of Evil

On 22/1/17, Bob W-PDML, discombobulated, unleashed: >http://www.web-options.com/TateJan17/ Hmmm Bit of Arnold Newman going on here - you have some Jewish blood running through that shutter finger ? ;-) Excellent gallery! --

RE: Classicism, (Post-)Modernism and the Genius of Evil

Some superb shots there, Bob, great gallery. John in Brisbane -Original Message- From: PDML [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Bob W-PDML Sent: Monday, 23 January 2017 6:25 AM To: Mail List Pentax-Discuss Subject: Classicism, (Post-)Modernism and the Genius of

Re: PESO:Bob W

Well done! You'll have to hot foot down there. On 22 January 2017 at 20:15, Mark Roberts wrote: > Chris Mitchell wrote: > >>On 22 Jan 2017 20:01, "Mark Roberts" <. >> >> >>How long is that exhibit on? Lisa and I will be there second week of >>May >> >>Till May 7th.

Re: PESO:Bob W

Chris Mitchell wrote: >From our trip to London today: >https://www.dropbox.com/s/17y4txv4001zuie/XE2S0305.jpg?dl=0 That's a great portrait. -- Mark Roberts - Photography & Multimedia www.robertstech.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net

Re: Peso-Red-tailed Pair

Thanks, Paul! J Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 22, 2017, at 11:57 AM, Paul Stenquist wrote: > > Nice. Love hawks. Not many to be seen here. > > Paul >> On Jan 22, 2017, at 2:48 PM, Jack Davis wrote: >> >> >> >> Have been house bound now for a

Classicism, (Post-)Modernism and the Genius of Evil

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Re: Peso-Red-tailed Pair

YUp - nice capture, Jack - I like theeir expressions ann On 1/22/2017 2:57 PM, Paul Stenquist wrote: Nice. Love hawks. Not many to be seen here. Paul On Jan 22, 2017, at 2:48 PM, Jack Davis wrote: Have been house bound now for a couple rainy windy weeks. Experiencing

Re: PESO:Bob W

what Cotty said ann On 1/22/2017 2:25 PM, Steve Cottrell wrote: On 22/1/17, Chris Mitchell, discombobulated, unleashed: >From our trip to London today: https://www.dropbox.com/s/17y4txv4001zuie/XE2S0305.jpg?dl=0 Chris PS - no Leicas changed hands. Nicely done! -- PDML Pentax-Discuss

Re: Peso four generations

to be honest i did not notice the vase, i was looking through the finder shooting when the two kids were somewhat loking at me. I'll try Dave On Sun, Jan 22, 2017 at 2:24 PM, Steve Cottrell wrote: > On 22/1/17, David J Brooks, discombobulated, unleashed: > >>They say one of

Re: PESO:Bob W

Nice portrait. Rich with personality. Paul via phone > On Jan 22, 2017, at 2:25 PM, Steve Cottrell wrote: > > On 22/1/17, Chris Mitchell, discombobulated, unleashed: > >> From our trip to London today: >> https://www.dropbox.com/s/17y4txv4001zuie/XE2S0305.jpg?dl=0 >> >>

Re: PESO:Bob W

It's a superb exhibition - don't miss it. B > On 22 Jan 2017, at 20:16, Mark Roberts wrote: > > Chris Mitchell wrote: > >> On 22 Jan 2017 20:01, "Mark Roberts" <. >> >> >> How long is that exhibit on? Lisa and I will be there second week of >> May >> >> Till May

Re: Pauls photos in the news

Thanks Zos. I'm a scrivener by trade. The photography is an adjunct. Paul via phone > On Jan 22, 2017, at 3:08 PM, Zos Xavius wrote: > > An excellent read. I didn't know you wrote as well. > >> On Sat, Jan 21, 2017 at 7:17 AM, Paul Stenquist >>

Re: PESO:Bob W

Chris Mitchell wrote: >On 22 Jan 2017 20:01, "Mark Roberts" <. > > >How long is that exhibit on? Lisa and I will be there second week of >May > >Till May 7th. You just miss it. What a shame... >

Re: PESO:Bob W

On 22 Jan 2017 20:01, "Mark Roberts" <. How long is that exhibit on? Lisa and I will be there second week of May Till May 7th. You just miss it. What a shame...

Re: Pauls photos in the news

An excellent read. I didn't know you wrote as well. On Sat, Jan 21, 2017 at 7:17 AM, Paul Stenquist wrote: > Thanks to all for the nice comments. I hadn't seen this myself. Fox has some > kind of arrangement with Hagerty and reposts articles from Hagerty's website. > >

Re: PESO:Bob W

Chris Mitchell wrote: >I meant to say - we wend to see The Radical Eye at the Tate Modern. >Pictures from Elton John's collection including many Man Rays and >others from a wide group of top photographers including Dorothea >Lange, Edward Weston and many others. How long is that exhibit on? Lisa

Re: GESO: Foggy Morning

Well done, Paul! Good detail where the thicker fog is absent. Especially like the Sparrow, Gobbler and all deer shots where fog isn't obvious. J - Original Message - From: "Paul Stenquist" To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" Sent: Sunday, January 22,

Re: Peso-Red-tailed Pair

Nice. Love hawks. Not many to be seen here. Paul > On Jan 22, 2017, at 2:48 PM, Jack Davis wrote: > > > > Have been house bound now for a couple rainy windy weeks. > Experiencing a case of "cabin fever" which I'll treat, perhaps, > the latter part of this week. > Just

Peso-Red-tailed Pair

Have been house bound now for a couple rainy windy weeks. Experiencing a case of "cabin fever" which I'll treat, perhaps, the latter part of this week. Just prior to all this weather activity, I had collected the attached. Not an archival certainty, but is attached out of respect for the D FA

Re: PESO:Bob W

It was a great day. Extremely good exhibition, beautiful cold weather and great company. More photos to follow. B > On 22 Jan 2017, at 19:38, Chris Mitchell wrote: > > I meant to say - we wend to see The Radical Eye at the Tate Modern. > Pictures from Elton John's

Re: PESO:Bob W

I meant to say - we wend to see The Radical Eye at the Tate Modern. Pictures from Elton John's collection including many Man Rays and others from a wide group of top photographers including Dorothea Lange, Edward Weston and many others. On 22 January 2017 at 19:21, Chris Mitchell

GESO: Foggy Morning

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Re: GESO The Stickmen at Kuumbwa Jazz

Good set Larry. I didn't realise that 8 string guitars were a thing. I'm now educated on the matter. Chris On 21 January 2017 at 22:57, Larry Colen wrote: > A friend asked if I wanted to see The Stickmen last night, they call > themselves Prog Noir. They got their name

Re: PESO:Bob W

On 22/1/17, Chris Mitchell, discombobulated, unleashed: >From our trip to London today: >https://www.dropbox.com/s/17y4txv4001zuie/XE2S0305.jpg?dl=0 > >Chris >PS - no Leicas changed hands. Nicely done! -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__Broadcast, Corporate, || (O) |Web Video Production

Re: Peso four generations

On 22/1/17, David J Brooks, discombobulated, unleashed: >They say one of the hardest photos to capture is a 4 generation family >shot of the same sex. After our granddaughter Gwen was born i wanted >to get said shot since great Gama is still with us.managed to get the >shot this Saturday for her

Re: Anyone looking for Zeiss Optics.

On 22/1/17, P. J. Alling, discombobulated, unleashed: >I don't have direct evidence for the Zeiss only reviews and reputation. >That said, the Pentax, in fact all Pentax 50mm/55mm* are classic >designs. A bit soft wide open, softer in the corners on film. Stop down >to f4.0 or 5.6 and they

PESO:Bob W

>From our trip to London today: https://www.dropbox.com/s/17y4txv4001zuie/XE2S0305.jpg?dl=0 Chris PS - no Leicas changed hands. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and

Re: Peso four generations

Nice. Mission accomplished. -Original Message- >From: David J Brooks >Sent: Jan 22, 2017 11:45 AM >To: Pentax Discuss >Subject: Peso four generations > >They say one of the hardest photos to capture is a 4 generation family >shot of the same sex.

Re: Anyone looking for Zeiss Optics.

I don't have direct evidence for the Zeiss only reviews and reputation. That said, the Pentax, in fact all Pentax 50mm/55mm* are classic designs. A bit soft wide open, softer in the corners on film. Stop down to f4.0 or 5.6 and they become sharp as hell, but I expect you noticed this. This

Re: More on Don't tell the Missus

Well, you did want card and letters of encouragement... On 1/22/2017 11:38 AM, Steve Cottrell wrote: On 21/1/17, Bob W-PDML, discombobulated, unleashed: There are no losers when you buy Leica, just warm fuzzy feelings all round. Especially from the credit card company! -- PDML

Re: More on Don't tell the Missus

Believe I can say it was a complete "warm and fuzzy event." J - Original Message - From: "Ken Waller" To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2017 8:26:36 AM Subject: Re: More on Don't tell the Missus My last Pentax purchase was a

Re: GESO The Stickmen at Kuumbwa Jazz

On January 22, 2017 4:50:42 AM PST, Paul Stenquist wrote: >A number of excellent shots, and I like the one with the motion blur. >But a couple appear to be soft. I would edit those out. Thanks, are the soft ones the ones where I focused on the hands? > >Paul via phone >

Peso four generations

They say one of the hardest photos to capture is a 4 generation family shot of the same sex. After our granddaughter Gwen was born i wanted to get said shot since great Gama is still with us.managed to get the shot this Saturday for her 94th birthday. Great grama, grama, grand daughter and great

Re: More on Don't tell the Missus

On 21/1/17, Bob W-PDML, discombobulated, unleashed: >There are no losers when you buy Leica, just warm fuzzy feelings all round. Especially from the credit card company! -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__Broadcast, Corporate, || (O) |Web Video Production --

PESO: Why daddy can't have nice things

She's still my kitty even if she has turned evil. https://www.flickr.com/photos/jb_sessoms/32310613182/in/photostream/lightbox/ -- Science - Questions we may never find answers for. Religion - Answers we must never question. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net

Re: Anyone looking for Zeiss Optics.

On 22/1/17, P. J. Alling, discombobulated, unleashed: >KEH.com has a ZK 50mm f1.4 T* for a not outrageous price. "A" mount >equivalent. I'd buy it but I'm broke at the moment. How do you think it compares optically to the Pentax M50/1.4 ? -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__Broadcast,

Re: More on Don't tell the Missus

My last Pentax purchase was a mostly warm and fuzzy event - a K-3. -Original Message- >From: Chris Mitchell >Subject: Re: More on Don't tell the Missus > >On 21 Jan 2017 23:04, "Bob W-PDML" wrote: > > > > >Karin would like to see Chris

Anyone looking for Zeiss Optics.

KEH.com has a ZK 50mm f1.4 T* for a not outrageous price. "A" mount equivalent. I'd buy it but I'm broke at the moment. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow

Re: One more KP update, direct from Pentax :-)

That would depend on what you're intending to tether, and maybe your definition of the word. On 1/22/2017 5:50 AM, Zos Xavius wrote: Does it tether? :) On Fri, Jan 20, 2017 at 7:24 AM, Collin B wrote:

Re: More on Don't tell the Missus

The sad part is that's his natural hair, (I'll leave it up to you to decide who's hair is natural)... On 1/22/2017 4:08 AM, mike wilson wrote: They made _two_ of those? On 21 January 2017 at 18:03 Bob W-PDML wrote: Do you think my genuine-style Donald Trump wig will

More on Don't tell the Missus

Bob says "There are no losers when you buy Leica, just warm fuzzy feelings" One wonderful PDMLer had said earlier "Buy a Leica, get the full Leica Experience? - a Quick Reduction of funds in the bank a/c". Regards. Bipin. Amateurs worry about equipment, professionals about time &

Re: GESO The Stickmen at Kuumbwa Jazz

A number of excellent shots, and I like the one with the motion blur. But a couple appear to be soft. I would edit those out. Paul via phone > On Jan 21, 2017, at 6:04 PM, Ken Waller wrote: > > Very nice exposures Larry. > > > -Original Message- >> From: Larry

Re: More on Don't tell the Missus

Hang on a bit. I need to buy some Leica shares. > On 22 January 2017 at 10:59 Chris Mitchell wrote: > https://mail2.virginmedia.com/appsuite/# > > Karin didn't make it. All is lost... > > On 22 Jan 2017 9:15 a.m., "Bob W-PDML" wrote: > > >

Re: More on Don't tell the Missus

Karin didn't make it. All is lost... On 22 Jan 2017 9:15 a.m., "Bob W-PDML" wrote: > Mine's more by way of an early experimental version, before they ironed > out the bugs and achieved perfection, chevelure-wise > > http://lossofface.co.uk/Images/ArthurScargill.jpg > > > >

Re: More on Don't tell the Missus

That's better than this cheap knockoff, crafted in a croft on the Outer Hebrides. http://images.radiotimes.com/namedimage/Andrew_Neil__politicians_are_frightened_of_me.jpg?quality=85=crop=620=374&404=tv=/uploads/images/original/76185.jpg > On 22 January 2017 at 09:15 Bob W-PDML

Re: One more KP update, direct from Pentax :-)

Does it tether? :) On Fri, Jan 20, 2017 at 7:24 AM, Collin B wrote: > https://www.pentaxmedical.com/pentax/en/95/1/Kp-Series-Video-Colonoscopes > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from

Re: My Spidey senses are tingling

The K-3 II is already discontinued. This should be a direct replacement. I wouldn't worry too much about the naming conventions. Pentax is weird. On Fri, Jan 20, 2017 at 2:30 PM, Collin B wrote: > As the letter designated bodies are entirely hobbyist and the numbered >

Re: More on Don't tell the Missus

I realised afterwards that I should have chosen a natural underground location. It's about the only place you can be sure of no internet, these days. > On 22 January 2017 at 10:08 Jostein Øksne wrote: > > > That close to Longyearbyen is not Leica-safe by any measure. :-) >

Re: More on Don't tell the Missus

That close to Longyearbyen is not Leica-safe by any measure. :-) Jostein Den 22. januar 2017 09.42.02 CET, skrev mike wilson : >> On 22 January 2017 at 08:14 Chris Mitchell >wrote: >> >> >> On 21 Jan 2017 23:04, "Bob W-PDML"

Re: More on Don't tell the Missus

Mine's more by way of an early experimental version, before they ironed out the bugs and achieved perfection, chevelure-wise http://lossofface.co.uk/Images/ArthurScargill.jpg On 22 Jan 2017, at 09:09, mike wilson > wrote: They made

Re: More on Don't tell the Missus

They made _two_ of those? > On 21 January 2017 at 18:03 Bob W-PDML wrote: > > > Do you think my genuine-style Donald Trump wig will do it? > > > On 21 Jan 2017, at 17:22, Chris Mitchell wrote: > > > > I'm meeting up with Bob W tomorrow. Remind

Re: More on Don't tell the Missus

> On 22 January 2017 at 08:14 Chris Mitchell wrote: > > > On 21 Jan 2017 23:04, "Bob W-PDML" wrote: > > > > > Karin would like to see Chris happy, and Chris wants nothing more than to > please Karin; a nice M10 and a few lenses would make

Re: PESO - Restaurante Lautasco

I'm loving your shots of Lisbon, Rick. Now I'm tempted to go there. Chris On 21 Jan 2017 22:23, "Rick Womer" wrote: > Another from the Alfama district of Lisbon. There are scores of small > restaurants in the maze of narrow streets. > >

Re: More on Don't tell the Missus

On 21 Jan 2017 23:04, "Bob W-PDML" wrote: Karin would like to see Chris happy, and Chris wants nothing more than to please Karin; a nice M10 and a few lenses would make Chris happy, and that would please Karin. There are no losers when you buy Leica, just warm fuzzy

Re: More on Don't tell the Missus

On 21 Jan 2017 22:40, "John" wrote: OTOH, maybe there's something there SHE would like? -- Oh heck. I hadn't considered that Karin might be a Leica liker. Now I'll have to keep an eye on her! -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net