Re: Oy vey, Jens - was *IST-D / DS High speed action!

2006-02-27 Thread John Francis
On Sun, Feb 26, 2006 at 10:40:29PM -0500, Aaron Reynolds wrote: On Feb 26, 2006, at 8:55 PM, Herb Chong wrote: the people on PDML who think that getting one or two acceptable images makes them a pro sports photographer is laughable. Oh dear... I hope that's not directed at me.

Re: *IST-D / DS High speed action!

2006-02-27 Thread herb greenslade
Well, without getting into violence which I suppose most artists would try to avoid. I probably would have complied to erase the fotos of her child and then just walked away. If she pursued me or held me back physically I would have asked her to call the police immediately or to just drop it.

Re: *IST-D / DS High speed action!

2006-02-26 Thread mike wilson
Cotty wrote: On 25/2/06, William Robb, discombobulated, unleashed: He reads like he is a bit of a wimp. Artist. Same thing. You and Hemingway would have had a lot to discuss.. 8-) Were you filming the demo in Oxford? m

Re: *IST-D / DS High speed action!

2006-02-26 Thread Cotty
On 26/2/06, mike wilson, discombobulated, unleashed: Were you filming the demo in Oxford? Not today - a couple of colleagues on duty. No trouble at all. Did Tipu Aziz on Friday in the run-up. He's an amazing bloke - virtually a photographic memory - always says to me 'ahh yes you're the one who

Re: *IST-D / DS High speed action!

2006-02-26 Thread Cotty
On 26/2/06, Cotty, discombobulated, unleashed: Not today I mean not yesterday. Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _

Re: *IST-D / DS High speed action!

2006-02-26 Thread Jan van Wijk
On Sat, 25 Feb 2006 16:41:33 -0500, Aaron Reynolds wrote: I don't see it in CS2. Remember, too, that RAW is a generic term. For Nikon you'd have to save the file as a (non-demosaiced) NEF file. For Pentax it would be a PEF file. Exactly, 'RAW' usually means it is pretty close to the internal

Re: *IST-D / DS High speed action!

2006-02-26 Thread Jan van Wijk
Hi Aaron, On Sat, 25 Feb 2006 16:45:17 -0500, Aaron Reynolds wrote: What you're asking is not possible. Once a file has been saved in another form, like TIFF, JPEG, PSD, it cannot be reconverted back to RAW. Just for my own curiosity, is it because of nature of the file itself (as in, is

RE: Oy vey, Jens - was *IST-D / DS High speed action!

2006-02-26 Thread Jens Bladt
Aaron I'm sorry you are taking things personally. Accusing me of lying isn't getting you or anybody else anywhere. I'm not even sure that I should honor your mail with an answer. Don't bother to answer this mail, Aaron, 'cause I won't be reading it. Here are some FACTS on the subject: Fact: You

Re: *IST-D / DS High speed action!

2006-02-26 Thread Mark Roberts
Godfrey DiGiorgi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Feb 25, 2006, at 1:56 PM, Mark Roberts wrote: As I mentioned before, DXO Labs software *can* manipulate lighting, which I take to mean brightness/contrast/highlight/shadows, and save in RAW format. If so, that's the first I've heard of it. It

Re: Oy vey, Jens - was *IST-D / DS High speed action!

2006-02-26 Thread Aaron Reynolds
On Feb 26, 2006, at 6:15 AM, Jens Bladt wrote: Fact: The write speed - 8 secs per RAW file IS slow compared to the competition, which have been pointed out many time by others in this forum as well. snip That's not lying. That's my OPINION. When you insist again that the photographer

Re: Oy vey, Jens - was *IST-D / DS High speed action!

2006-02-26 Thread Carlos Royo
Aaron Reynolds wrote: When you insist again that the photographer must pause 37 seconds after firing off a burst (and suggest he should have a cigarette) after I have privately conveyed to you that the real number is two seconds, what are you doing if not lying? Aaron, I think Jens is

Re: Oy vey, Jens - was *IST-D / DS High speed action!

2006-02-26 Thread Aaron Reynolds
On Feb 26, 2006, at 10:57 AM, Carlos Royo wrote: Aaron, I think Jens is writing about his *ist D, and you about the DS. Yes, I'm writing about the DS2, because it is a current camera. As far as I know, the DL / DL2 also have the faster write speed. The D is very old camera by digital

Re: *IST-D / DS High speed action!

2006-02-26 Thread graywolf
I think a point is being missed here. Any digital file can be edited! Just because there is not a readily available cheap commercial product for that particular file does not mean the file can not be edited by an expert. In the old days when software was sold on floppy disks, and the

Re: *IST-D / DS High speed action!

2006-02-26 Thread Jan van Wijk
Hi graywolf, On Sun, 26 Feb 2006 11:37:29 -0500, graywolf wrote: I think a point is being missed here. Any digital file can be edited! Of course it can, I did not say otherwise ... I am a system programmer (like you I think), and actually reverse engineering data-formats and data-recovery is

RE: Oy vey, Jens - was *IST-D / DS High speed action!

2006-02-26 Thread Jens Bladt
Aaron I'm sorry you are taking things personally. Accusing me of lying isn't getting you or anybody else anywhere. I'm not even sure that I should honor your mail with an answer. Don't bother to answer this mail, Aaron, 'cause I won't be reading it. Here are some FACTS on the subject: Fact: You

Re: *IST-D / DS High speed action!

2006-02-26 Thread graywolf
Hi Jan, Sorry you took it as criticism. My comments were intended more as clarification, and were not aimed at refuting anything you said. I did some systems programing a long time ago when if you wanted your toy microcomputer to do anything but word processing you pretty much had to write

Re: Oy vey, Jens - was *IST-D / DS High speed action!

2006-02-26 Thread Herb Chong
: Oy vey, Jens - was *IST-D / DS High speed action! Aaron I'm sorry you are taking things personally. Accusing me of lying isn't getting you or anybody else anywhere. I'm not even sure that I should honor your mail with an answer. Don't bother to answer this mail, Aaron, 'cause I won't

Re: Oy vey, Jens - was *IST-D / DS High speed action!

2006-02-26 Thread John Francis
them a pro sports photographer is laughable. Herb - Original Message - From: Jens Bladt [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Sent: Sunday, February 26, 2006 6:01 PM Subject: RE: Oy vey, Jens - was *IST-D / DS High speed action! Aaron I'm sorry you are taking things

Re: Oy vey, Jens - was *IST-D / DS High speed action!

2006-02-26 Thread Aaron Reynolds
On Feb 26, 2006, at 8:55 PM, Herb Chong wrote: the people on PDML who think that getting one or two acceptable images makes them a pro sports photographer is laughable. Oh dear... I hope that's not directed at me. Because if it is, it's kind of funny. -Aaron

Re: *IST-D / DS High speed action!

2006-02-25 Thread John Francis
On Fri, Feb 24, 2006 at 11:26:48PM -0800, Bruce Dayton wrote: Hello Jens, One thing really surprises me - why would anyone ask for your advice concerning sports photography? You know, that's the question I was asking myself. Then, when I saw the example photographs he posted, which

Re: *IST-D / DS High speed action!

2006-02-25 Thread David
to newspapers and magazines. With a Pentax *ist D at the stadium, there's never really a dull moment. Regards Jens Bladt http://www.jensbladt.dk -Oprindelig meddelelse- Fra: graywolf [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sendt: 25. februar 2006 00:30 Til: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Emne: Re: *IST-D / DS High

RE: *IST-D / DS High speed action!

2006-02-25 Thread Jens Bladt
. Others are of course most welcome to advice differently. Regards Jens Bladt http://www.jensbladt.dk -Oprindelig meddelelse- Fra: John Francis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sendt: 25. februar 2006 09:35 Til: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Emne: Re: *IST-D / DS High speed action! On Fri, Feb 24

RE: *IST-D / DS High speed action!

2006-02-25 Thread Jens Bladt
Emne: Re: *IST-D / DS High speed action! I mostly shoot action (cycling, Cyclocross in particular), here's my humble thoughts. 1) If you know the sport well enough you prefocus to where you expect action then you track your subject. This doesn't seem to be a Pentax only thing, I've watched

Re: *IST-D / DS High speed action!

2006-02-25 Thread Cotty
On 24/2/06, Bruce Dayton, discombobulated, unleashed: I guess if someone said, I want the equipment to do all the work for me and don't really need any skill or knowledge of what I am shooting, so what equipment is best? For them, then sure, the top end Canon or Nikon is easy to recommend. Come

Re: *IST-D / DS High speed action!

2006-02-25 Thread David
:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sendt: 25. februar 2006 09:37 Til: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Emne: Re: *IST-D / DS High speed action! I mostly shoot action (cycling, Cyclocross in particular), here's my humble thoughts. 1) If you know the sport well enough you prefocus to where you expect action then you track

Re: *IST-D / DS High speed action!

2006-02-25 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: Jens Bladt Subject: RE: *IST-D / DS High speed action! If IRC the guy was taking about shooting skaters. They hardly follow many predictable patterns. I was envisioning photographing at very close range -. not at a distance, using AF and Wide Angle Zooms

Oy vey, Jens - was *IST-D / DS High speed action!

2006-02-25 Thread Aaron Reynolds
Alright, I've had to momentarily de-lurk again because I cannot stand it when misinformation persists. It drove me crazy with you can't hand-hold a Pentax 67 and now it's this. Jens, I e-mailed you off-list to correct some misapprehensions you had. Instead of taking that information in,

RE: *IST-D / DS High speed action!

2006-02-25 Thread Jens Bladt
So, it seems some (even professionals) prefer using fast AF, some prefer auto AF-tracking - from AF point to AF point (Contax), others prefer using MF, and some even prefer shooting in manual mode, when is comes to photographing action like skating and skaters. It seems that almost anything goes.

RE: *IST-D / DS High speed action!

2006-02-25 Thread Aaron Reynolds
Message- From: Jens Bladt [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subj: RE: *IST-D / DS High speed action! Date: Sat Feb 25, 2006 11:26 am Size: 632 bytes To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net http://www.geartekcorporation.com/texts/essay_skatermom.html Perhaps I should not recommend shooting skaters at all - except

Re: *IST-D / DS High speed action!

2006-02-25 Thread Patrick Genovese
Hi everyone, I never thought my post would trigger such a flame war. Just for the record I am not a pro sports photographer nor do I aspire to be one it is just that certain types of sports interest me from a photographic perspective. I also just so happens that I have contacts in the right

Re: *IST-D / DS High speed action!

2006-02-25 Thread John Francis
On Sat, Feb 25, 2006 at 10:25:26AM +0100, Jens Bladt wrote: I never blamed anybody or anything. I was declineing from recommending the *ist D for action photography. If that was all you were doing - merely pointing out that there were other, better solutions available for that task, I don't

Re: *IST-D / DS High speed action!

2006-02-25 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
On Feb 25, 2006, at 10:01 AM, Patrick Genovese wrote: I never thought my post would trigger such a flame war. Anything posted to the PDML is capable of triggering a flame war. In the mean time I have been shooting some of this stuff with my MZ-S some of the comments posted here are quite

Re: *IST-D / DS High speed action!

2006-02-25 Thread John Francis
On Sat, Feb 25, 2006 at 12:37:04AM -0800, David wrote: I mostly shoot action (cycling, Cyclocross in particular), here's my humble thoughts. . . . . 3) Find me one action photographer that wastes his space with raw files. They require lots of extra time to process. Most action

Re: *IST-D / DS High speed action!

2006-02-25 Thread Aaron Reynolds
On Feb 25, 2006, at 1:17 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: For the record, I have some very nice sets of action photographs taken of motorcycle road racing made over the years with a Leica M, a Mamiya 1000S, and a Sony F707. None of these cameras is what I'd consider to be a speed demon ...

Re: *IST-D / DS High speed action!

2006-02-25 Thread John Francis
On Sat, Feb 25, 2006 at 12:37:04AM -0800, David wrote: 6) I don't have a single AF lens with a faster f stop than 3.2. Guess I can't shoot action anymore :-( That's the most ridiculous complaint in the diatribe (although, I admit, there's some pretty tough competition). Once you get out

Re: *IST-D / DS High speed action!

2006-02-25 Thread brooksdj
On Feb 25, 2006, at 1:17 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: For the record, I have some very nice sets of action photographs taken of motorcycle road racing made over the years with a Leica M, a Mamiya 1000S, and a Sony F707. None of these cameras is

Re: *IST-D / DS High speed action!

2006-02-25 Thread Derby Chang
Jens Bladt wrote: So, it seems some (even professionals) prefer using fast AF, some prefer auto AF-tracking - from AF point to AF point (Contax), others prefer using MF, and some even prefer shooting in manual mode, when is comes to photographing action like skating and skaters. It seems that

Re: *IST-D / DS High speed action!

2006-02-25 Thread Paul Stenquist
From my experience in various press venues, I'd say that magazine photographers shoot RAW, newspaper photographers shoot jpeg. Paul On Feb 25, 2006, at 1:24 PM, John Francis wrote: On Sat, Feb 25, 2006 at 12:37:04AM -0800, David wrote: I mostly shoot action (cycling, Cyclocross in

Re: *IST-D / DS High speed action!

2006-02-25 Thread Paul Stenquist
I shot some swish pans of hot rods with my 67. No problem. Paul On Feb 25, 2006, at 1:31 PM, Aaron Reynolds wrote: On Feb 25, 2006, at 1:17 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: For the record, I have some very nice sets of action photographs taken of motorcycle road racing made over the years with a

Re: *IST-D / DS High speed action!

2006-02-25 Thread Mark Roberts
Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From my experience in various press venues, I'd say that magazine photographers shoot RAW, newspaper photographers shoot jpeg. Probably depends on the newspaper. When there was all that fuss about digitally altered images in the Charlotte Observer a

Re: *IST-D / DS High speed action!

2006-02-25 Thread Aaron Reynolds
On Feb 25, 2006, at 3:39 PM, Mark Roberts wrote: Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From my experience in various press venues, I'd say that magazine photographers shoot RAW, newspaper photographers shoot jpeg. Probably depends on the newspaper. When there was all that fuss about

Re: *IST-D / DS High speed action!

2006-02-25 Thread Paul Stenquist
Good point. I hadn't thought about the legal implications. That well could be changing things. Of course, motorsport shooters generally aren't held to a high standard of absolute authenticity. Paul On Feb 25, 2006, at 3:39 PM, Mark Roberts wrote: Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From

Re: *IST-D / DS High speed action!

2006-02-25 Thread Mark Roberts
Aaron Reynolds [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Some links to the original controversy: http://www.newmediamusings.com/blog/2003/08/charlotte_obser.html http://poynteronline.org/content/content_view.asp?id=47867 http://www.zonezero.com/editorial/octubre03/october.html

Re: *IST-D / DS High speed action!

2006-02-25 Thread Aaron Reynolds
On Feb 25, 2006, at 4:04 PM, Mark Roberts wrote: Can you not make adjustments to a RAW file and save it? No. Not yet... So you'd convert it to a different format, do the alterations, then save that file as RAW? Is that not possible? RAW has been a save-as option in Photoshop for as

Re: *IST-D / DS High speed action!

2006-02-25 Thread Mark Roberts
Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Good point. I hadn't thought about the legal implications. That well could be changing things. Of course, motorsport shooters generally aren't held to a high standard of absolute authenticity. That'll change as soon as someone gets a photo of a fatal

Re: *IST-D / DS High speed action!

2006-02-25 Thread graywolf
What I see in your post is an open mind. An ability to learn. And the willingness to make the effort to turn that new knowledge into skills (most people are not willing to take that step, it is too much work). The result of that kind of mindset is usually called success. Good for you,

Re: *IST-D / DS High speed action!

2006-02-25 Thread Mark Roberts
Aaron Reynolds [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Feb 25, 2006, at 4:04 PM, Mark Roberts wrote: Can you not make adjustments to a RAW file and save it? No. Not yet... So you'd convert it to a different format, do the alterations, then save that file as RAW? Is that not possible? Not as far as I

Re: *IST-D / DS High speed action!

2006-02-25 Thread John Francis
I'd agree with that. My experience is biased towards motorsports, which gets very little US newspaper coverage if it isn't NASCAR, so I see more of the magazine shooters than those from newspapers. On Sat, Feb 25, 2006 at 03:24:48PM -0500, Paul Stenquist wrote: From my experience in various

Re: *IST-D / DS High speed action!

2006-02-25 Thread John Francis
On Sat, Feb 25, 2006 at 04:34:40PM -0500, Mark Roberts wrote: BTW: In regards to PJ's being required to shoot RAW, most of teh high end PJ cameras will shoot RAW and full-res JPEG simultaneously. So does the D (and siblings), actually - there's a full-res JPEG hidden in that PEF file, and

Re: *IST-D / DS High speed action!

2006-02-25 Thread Aaron Reynolds
On Feb 25, 2006, at 4:37 PM, Mark Roberts wrote: RAW has been a save-as option in Photoshop for as long as I can remember. I don't see it in CS2. Remember, too, that RAW is a generic term. For Nikon you'd have to save the file as a (non-demosaiced) NEF file. For Pentax it would be a PEF

Re: *IST-D / DS High speed action!

2006-02-25 Thread Shel Belinkoff
Hi Aaron ... What you're asking is not possible. Once a file has been saved in another form, like TIFF, JPEG, PSD, it cannot be reconverted back to RAW. There is an option to save a file as Photoshop RAW, but it's nothing like the camera raw files. Try it with a JPEG and you'll see the obvious

Re: *IST-D / DS High speed action!

2006-02-25 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
On Feb 25, 2006, at 1:41 PM, Aaron Reynolds wrote: On Feb 25, 2006, at 4:37 PM, Mark Roberts wrote: RAW has been a save-as option in Photoshop for as long as I can remember. I don't see it in CS2. Remember, too, that RAW is a generic term. For Nikon you'd have to save the file as a

Re: *IST-D / DS High speed action!

2006-02-25 Thread graywolf
Or to put it another way, whether to shoot jpegs or raw depends upon the intended quality of the final image. I kind of doubt that many advertising photographers shoot Jpegs, or the gal shooting Santa photos at the mall is shooting in raw mode. Also I doubt that there are many truly serious

Re: *IST-D / DS High speed action!

2006-02-25 Thread Aaron Reynolds
On Feb 25, 2006, at 4:42 PM, Shel Belinkoff wrote: What you're asking is not possible. Once a file has been saved in another form, like TIFF, JPEG, PSD, it cannot be reconverted back to RAW. Just for my own curiosity, is it because of nature of the file itself (as in, is it theoretically

Re: *IST-D / DS High speed action!

2006-02-25 Thread graywolf
Sure you can save a maniplated image as a raw file. However, I think Mark is refering to camera-raw files (as they come from the camera). I believe that Photoshop raw indicates that the file was run through it in the information section. Of course any digital information can be edited, that

Re: *IST-D / DS High speed action!

2006-02-25 Thread Mark Roberts
Aaron Reynolds [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Feb 25, 2006, at 4:42 PM, Shel Belinkoff wrote: What you're asking is not possible. Once a file has been saved in another form, like TIFF, JPEG, PSD, it cannot be reconverted back to RAW. Just for my own curiosity, is it because of nature of the

Re: *IST-D / DS High speed action!

2006-02-25 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
On Feb 25, 2006, at 1:56 PM, Mark Roberts wrote: What you're asking is not possible. Once a file has been saved in another form, like TIFF, JPEG, PSD, it cannot be reconverted back to RAW. Just for my own curiosity, is it because of nature of the file itself (as in, is it theoretically

Re: *IST-D / DS High speed action!

2006-02-25 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: Derby Chang Subject: Re: *IST-D / DS High speed action! http://www.geartekcorporation.com/texts/essay_skatermom.html That is one sad story. He is very calm, though. He should have decked the bitch and kept on doing what he was legally entitled

Re: *IST-D / DS High speed action!

2006-02-25 Thread Mark Roberts
William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Derby Chang http://www.geartekcorporation.com/texts/essay_skatermom.html That is one sad story. He is very calm, though. He should have decked the bitch and kept on doing what he was legally entitled to do. Or at the very least, run image

Re: *IST-D / DS High speed action!

2006-02-25 Thread Paul Stenquist
Most of the art fair guys I speak with are shooting digital and making their own prints. Cost control, quality control. Paul On Feb 25, 2006, at 4:46 PM, graywolf wrote: Or to put it another way, whether to shoot jpegs or raw depends upon the intended quality of the final image. I kind of

Re: *IST-D / DS High speed action!

2006-02-25 Thread Cotty
On 25/2/06, Jens Bladt, discombobulated, unleashed: The really difficult part, however, seem to be handling the legal issues. This quite interesting article is about just that: http://www.geartekcorporation.com/texts/essay_skatermom.html Why am I not surprised? Looks like being a photographer

Re: *IST-D / DS High speed action!

2006-02-25 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: Mark Roberts Subject: Re: *IST-D / DS High speed action! http://www.geartekcorporation.com/texts/essay_skatermom.html That is one sad story. He is very calm, though. He should have decked the bitch and kept on doing what he was legally entitled

Re: *IST-D / DS High speed action!

2006-02-25 Thread Cotty
On 25/2/06, William Robb, discombobulated, unleashed: He reads like he is a bit of a wimp. Artist. Same thing. Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _

Re: *IST-D / DS High speed action!

2006-02-25 Thread Aaron Reynolds
On Feb 25, 2006, at 6:14 PM, Cotty wrote: On 25/2/06, William Robb, discombobulated, unleashed: He reads like he is a bit of a wimp. Artist. Same thing. Now now, Cotty, some of us have been in bar brawls. -Aaron

Re: *IST-D / DS High speed action!

2006-02-24 Thread Paul Stenquist
. Straightforward, easy-to-use cameras are what I like. Shel [Original Message] From: Juan Buhler [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Date: 2/23/2006 7:01:44 PM Subject: Re: *IST-D / DS High speed action! On 2/23/06, Jens Bladt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Pentax don't want to be at the stadium

Re: *IST-D / DS High speed action!

2006-02-24 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: Jens Bladt Subject: RE: *IST-D / DS High speed action! Yes, you can. If you have enough time. Pre focusing at the point where you GUESS the athelete will be in 10 secs. But when the action actually happends, using a 2.5 FPS camera is like going to Las

Re: *IST-D / DS High speed action!

2006-02-24 Thread Shel Belinkoff
. Usually it's a burst of two or three, followed by another. FWIW Shel [Original Message] From: William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Date: 2/24/2006 10:08:37 AM Subject: Re: *IST-D / DS High speed action! - Original Message - From: Jens Bladt Subject

RE: *IST-D / DS High speed action!

2006-02-24 Thread Jens Bladt
: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Emne: Re: *IST-D / DS High speed action! Exactly. And straightforward, easy-to-use cameras are capable of anything most photographers might attempt. The lone exception might be top-level sports journalism. But even for motorsports or the occasional sporting event

Re: *IST-D / DS High speed action!

2006-02-24 Thread Adam Maas
Jens, Nikon's 'Pro' bodies are the D2x and D2Hs (And the nearly identical film F6). The D200 is a semi-pro body (although it's closer to a full-on pro body than any other non-pro body currently on the market), it's a step up from the 5D and 20D in terms of build and AF performance but is

RE: *IST-D / DS High speed action!

2006-02-24 Thread pnstenquist
. februar 2006 12:16 Til: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Emne: Re: *IST-D / DS High speed action! Exactly. And straightforward, easy-to-use cameras are capable of anything most photographers might attempt. The lone exception might be top-level sports journalism. But even for motorsports

RE: *IST-D / DS High speed action!

2006-02-24 Thread Jens Bladt
: 24. februar 2006 12:16 Til: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Emne: Re: *IST-D / DS High speed action! Exactly. And straightforward, easy-to-use cameras are capable of anything most photographers might attempt. The lone exception might be top-level sports journalism. But even for motorsports

Re: *IST-D / DS High speed action!

2006-02-24 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
On Feb 24, 2006, at 11:18 AM, Jens Bladt wrote: I would prefere a 5-8 FPS DSLR camera, featuring correspondingly fast AF. Most photographers would agree with me, I'm sure. I find it virtually irrelevant to my photography. Probably 99.9% of the time I have my camera set to single shot

RE: *IST-D / DS High speed action!

2006-02-24 Thread Shel Belinkoff
Sounds rather contradictory ... and that you really don't know what you're talking about. Maybe most photographers would agree with you, but would most sports and action photographers agree with you? Shel [Original Message] From: Jens Bladt . But when somebody asks, if it is recommendable

Re: *IST-D / DS High speed action!

2006-02-24 Thread John Francis
On Fri, Feb 24, 2006 at 08:18:24PM +0100, Jens Bladt wrote: A 5 FPS camera from Pentax (Autumn 2006) is a little late, isn't it? I am speaking from experience, you know. I have shot almost 30.000 frames with a *ist D. I believe I know very well, what I'm talking about. I don't really do

Re: *IST-D / DS High speed action!

2006-02-24 Thread graywolf
I always wonder how those oldtime racing shots were taken with a Graflex 5x7 SLR back around 1910 or so. Maybe 100mph was slower back in those days? graywolf http://www.graywolfphoto.com http://webpages.charter.net/graywolf Idiot Proof == Expert Proof --- John

RE: *IST-D / DS High speed action!

2006-02-24 Thread Jens Bladt
recommend the *ist D, I could have recommended using ANY camera with no shutter lag. Regards Jens Bladt http://www.jensbladt.dk -Oprindelig meddelelse- Fra: Godfrey DiGiorgi [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sendt: 24. februar 2006 20:31 Til: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Emne: Re: *IST-D / DS High

Re: *IST-D / DS High speed action!

2006-02-24 Thread John Francis
Sure was. And 1/30 of a second froze the action much better. Mind you, you also had to lug that heavy camera equipment around - uphill both ways, of course. Tell that to the kids of today, and they won't believe you. On Fri, Feb 24, 2006 at 03:44:54PM -0500, graywolf wrote: I always wonder

RE: *IST-D / DS High speed action!

2006-02-24 Thread Jens Bladt
: RE: *IST-D / DS High speed action! Sounds rather contradictory ... and that you really don't know what you're talking about. Maybe most photographers would agree with you, but would most sports and action photographers agree with you? Shel [Original Message] From: Jens Bladt . But when

Re: *IST-D / DS High speed action!

2006-02-24 Thread Mark Roberts
Jens Bladt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A 5 FPS camera from Pentax (Autumn 2006) is a little late, isn't it? I am not whining. Yes you are. Constantly.

Re: *IST-D / DS High speed action!

2006-02-24 Thread graywolf
Har! Actually that focalplane shutter took a 10th of a second to move the 5 inchs. That is where the idea of those carton cars leaning forwards to indicate speed came from, those old photos. graywolf http://www.graywolfphoto.com http://webpages.charter.net/graywolf Idiot Proof == Expert Proof

RE: *IST-D / DS High speed action!

2006-02-24 Thread Jens Bladt
Til: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Emne: Re: *IST-D / DS High speed action! Har! Actually that focalplane shutter took a 10th of a second to move the 5 inchs. That is where the idea of those carton cars leaning forwards to indicate speed came from, those old photos. graywolf http

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2006-02-24 Thread Bruce Dayton
PROTECTED] JB Sendt: 25. februar 2006 00:30 JB Til: pentax-discuss@pdml.net JB Emne: Re: *IST-D / DS High speed action! JB Har! Actually that focalplane shutter took a 10th of a second to move JB the 5 inchs. That is where the idea of those carton cars leaning JB forwards to indicate speed came from

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2006-02-23 Thread Adam Maas
: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Emne: Re: SV: *IST-D / DS High speed action! Mark Roberts wrote: Cotty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 22/2/06, Jens Bladt, discombobulated, unleashed: Most professional sports photographers have the following set of equipment: 3 top-of-the-line digital camera

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2006-02-23 Thread Jens Bladt
: *IST-D / DS High speed action! Fast lenses? yes. Fast body? not so much. One can shoot action with Manual Focus gear. -Adam Jens Bladt wrote: I'd rather stay an amateur too. And refrain from doing action photography, BTW. I was just making a point: Action photography requires fast lenses

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2006-02-23 Thread Pål Jensen
- Original Message - From: Jens Bladt [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yes, you can. If you have enough time. Pre focusing at the point where you GUESS the athelete will be in 10 secs. But when the action actually happends, using a 2.5 FPS camera is like going to Las Vegas with just 10 USD in

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2006-02-23 Thread Adam Maas
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sendt: 23. februar 2006 16:05 Til: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Emne: Re: *IST-D / DS High speed action! Fast lenses? yes. Fast body? not so much. One can shoot action with Manual Focus gear. -Adam Jens Bladt wrote: I'd rather stay an amateur too. And refrain from doing

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2006-02-23 Thread Lon Williamson
I vote with Frank. Polish your skin, you red haired debbil. -Lon Mark Roberts wrote: frank theriault [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: and polish your skin... Now that's just *weird*.

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2006-02-23 Thread Jens Bladt
Pål So, it must be a really big mystery to you, why they are not using Pentaxes, right? Regards Jens Bladt http://www.jensbladt.dk -Oprindelig meddelelse- Fra: Pål Jensen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sendt: 23. februar 2006 21:01 Til: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Emne: Re: *IST-D / DS High speed

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2006-02-23 Thread Lon Williamson
I am adamant that our own Mark Roberts can blast Ken away, if Mark would Just Practise. It's very very important. grin. -Lon frank theriault wrote: On 2/21/06, Mark Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: and polish your skin... Now that's just *weird*. You ~do~ know to whom I was referring,

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2006-02-23 Thread John Francis
? Regards Jens Bladt http://www.jensbladt.dk -Oprindelig meddelelse- Fra: P?l Jensen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sendt: 23. februar 2006 21:01 Til: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Emne: Re: *IST-D / DS High speed action! - Original Message - From: Jens Bladt [EMAIL PROTECTED

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2006-02-23 Thread Cotty
On 23/2/06, Pål Jensen, discombobulated, unleashed: Actually most pros used those Canons with manual focus and manual exposureeven sports photographers... Sorry Pal, but that's a load of festering bollocks. Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|

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2006-02-23 Thread Juan Buhler
On 2/23/06, Jens Bladt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Pentax don't want to be at the stadium. If they did, they'd make a 5-8 FPS body and a lot of 1.4-2.8 (digital) lenses. They obviously don't want to. This is a great thing! There are plenty of options already from Canon and Nikon. People should

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2006-02-23 Thread Jens Bladt
- Fra: Juan Buhler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sendt: 24. februar 2006 03:59 Til: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Emne: Re: *IST-D / DS High speed action! On 2/23/06, Jens Bladt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Pentax don't want to be at the stadium. If they did, they'd make a 5-8 FPS body and a lot of 1.4-2.8

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2006-02-23 Thread Shel Belinkoff
Date: 2/23/2006 7:01:44 PM Subject: Re: *IST-D / DS High speed action! On 2/23/06, Jens Bladt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Pentax don't want to be at the stadium. If they did, they'd make a 5-8 FPS body and a lot of 1.4-2.8 (digital) lenses. They obviously don't want to. This is a great thing

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2006-02-23 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
My gods, Juan, Shel and I are on the same page! ;-) Godfrey

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2006-02-23 Thread Juan Buhler
On 2/23/06, Jens Bladt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Upgrading! Pentax make very nice entry level and enthusiast cameras, bus is not a player in the 35mm pro-market (5-8 FPS cameras). The problem here is the definition of pro. I can very well see a pro who makes tons of money off her photography

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2006-02-23 Thread Jens Bladt
-discuss@pdml.net Emne: Re: *IST-D / DS High speed action! On 2/23/06, Jens Bladt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Upgrading! Pentax make very nice entry level and enthusiast cameras, bus is not a player in the 35mm pro-market (5-8 FPS cameras). The problem here is the definition of pro. I can very well

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2006-02-22 Thread Patrick Genovese
Hi everyone, Interesting comments and quite illuminating with respect to what's really important. I've been shooting some of this stuff with my MZ-S with varying success rates. for example. Jumps are a no brainer you can easily pre-focus. panning action is tougher espeically if you're up close

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2006-02-22 Thread frank theriault
On 2/21/06, Mark Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: and polish your skin... Now that's just *weird*. You ~do~ know to whom I was referring, don't you? The man with the shiniest skin in history: http://www.kenrockwell.com/about.htm cheers, frank -- Sharpness is a bourgeois concept. -Henri

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2006-02-22 Thread Jens Bladt
: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Emne: *IST-D / DS High speed action! Hi, I tend to be a lurker most of the time but I surface every now and again with a query or two. I'm seriously considering an ist-d or ist-ds enablement and have a question i'd like to throw your way. It concerns the suitability

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