Re: A really tough jpeg conversion

2011-06-04 Thread Thibouille
Mmm not sure it is the graphics card. It is most probably the screen. And no, Mac screens are no better than PC screens :( 2011/6/3 Tim Bray tb...@textuality.com: Hah, the plot thickens.  I can see the banding perfectly clearly on my everyday MacBook Pro.  But on our big high-quality NEC

Re: A really tough jpeg conversion

2011-06-04 Thread Bruce Walker
Some are. The larger iMac screens, eg 24 and up, are IPS displays which don't exhibit the banding. The older iMacs and all the Mac notebooks have TN displays which do show banding. That's why I have a secondary IPS LCD monitor on my iMac that I do all my image editing on. -bmw On 11-06-04

Re: A really tough jpeg conversion

2011-06-04 Thread Thibouille
IPS doesn't mean good. IPS does mean 'not crap'. A tad different IMO. Colour restitution capabilities and uniformity are not there just because those are IPS panels. 2011/6/4 Bruce Walker bruce.wal...@gmail.com: Some are. The larger iMac screens, eg 24 and up, are IPS displays which don't

Re: A really tough jpeg conversion

2011-06-04 Thread Paul Stenquist
On Jun 4, 2011, at 7:05 AM, Thibouille wrote: IPS doesn't mean good. IPS does mean 'not crap'. A tad different IMO. Colour restitution capabilities and uniformity are not there just because those are IPS panels. But the new iMac IPS monitors are quite good by all accounts. I've been very

Re: A really tough jpeg conversion

2011-06-04 Thread Charles Robinson
On Jun 4, 2011, at 4:37, Bruce Walker wrote: Some are. The larger iMac screens, eg 24 and up, are IPS displays which don't exhibit the banding. The older iMacs and all the Mac notebooks have TN displays which do show banding. That's why I have a secondary IPS LCD monitor on my iMac that I

Re: A really tough jpeg conversion

2011-06-04 Thread Thibouille
Which is good news, undoubtetly. But I'd be surprises if the gamut of mac screens is anything to write about. Note I myself have a mac so this is no Free mac bashing. Le samedi 4 juin 2011, Paul Stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net a écrit : On Jun 4, 2011, at 7:05 AM, Thibouille wrote: IPS

A really tough jpeg conversion

2011-06-02 Thread Tim Bray
Check out http://www.tbray.org/ongoing/When/201x/2011/06/01/-big/RUNE0790.jpg.html Look at the green bokeh-fied background and observe the obvious lines that look like elevation lines on a map, let's call them bars, as the green brightness drops off. They ain't there in the .dng, and after the

Re: A really tough jpeg conversion

2011-06-02 Thread Boris Liberman
On 6/2/2011 10:11, Tim Bray wrote: I'm sure that a silky-smooth jpg of this picture could be created. But I don't know how. Tim, what happens if you save this picture as an uncompressed TIFF file? Methinks that if you will still get issues - the problem is not in compression or JPG or may be

Re: A really tough jpeg conversion

2011-06-02 Thread Bulent Celasun
They seem like signs of posterization to me. Unfortunately, I do not know what can be done for your particular image to prevent them forming. Bulent - http://www.flickr.com/photos/bc_the_path/

Re: A really tough jpeg conversion

2011-06-02 Thread Bruce Walker
On 11-06-02 3:11 AM, Tim Bray wrote: Check out http://www.tbray.org/ongoing/When/201x/2011/06/01/-big/RUNE0790.jpg.html Look at the green bokeh-fied background and observe the obvious lines that look like elevation lines on a map, let's call them bars, as the green brightness drops off. They

Re: A really tough jpeg conversion

2011-06-02 Thread Thibouille
Mmm wouldn't a proper PS conversion to 8bit cure the problem and saving later to 8bit Jpeg rather than 16bit image directly exported to 8bit Jpeg ? 2011/6/2 Bruce Walker bruce.wal...@gmail.com: On 11-06-02 3:11 AM, Tim Bray wrote: Check out

Re: A really tough jpeg conversion

2011-06-02 Thread Bruce Walker
On 11-06-02 9:25 AM, Thibouille wrote: Mmm wouldn't a proper PS conversion to 8bit cure the problem and saving later to 8bit Jpeg rather than 16bit image directly exported to 8bit Jpeg ? That might work best in this case, but it depends entirely on the quality of that 16-8 bit conversion. It

Re: A really tough jpeg conversion

2011-06-02 Thread Larry Colen
On Jun 2, 2011, at 12:11 AM, Tim Bray wrote: Check out http://www.tbray.org/ongoing/When/201x/2011/06/01/-big/RUNE0790.jpg.html Look at the green bokeh-fied background and observe the obvious lines that look like elevation lines on a map, let's call them bars, as the green brightness

Re: A really tough jpeg conversion

2011-06-02 Thread Charles Robinson
On Jun 2, 2011, at 12:47, Larry Colen wrote: On Jun 2, 2011, at 12:11 AM, Tim Bray wrote: Check out http://www.tbray.org/ongoing/When/201x/2011/06/01/-big/RUNE0790.jpg.html Look at the green bokeh-fied background and observe the obvious lines that look like elevation lines on a map,

Re: A really tough jpeg conversion

2011-06-02 Thread Bob Sullivan
Tim, I don't see the banding either. When I've had this kind of problem, the banding was caused by display resolution. Regards, Bob S. On Thu, Jun 2, 2011 at 2:30 PM, Charles Robinson charl...@visi.com wrote: On Jun 2, 2011, at 12:47, Larry Colen wrote: On Jun 2, 2011, at 12:11 AM, Tim Bray

Re: A really tough jpeg conversion

2011-06-02 Thread Tim Bray
Hah, the plot thickens. I can see the banding perfectly clearly on my everyday MacBook Pro. But on our big high-quality NEC monitor, I can't. But even on the big monitor, I can see the bands in that .png file. Interesting because this is the first time there's actually been an observable