RE: About Sigma: beware ??

2005-07-11 Thread keller.schaefer
I think it is not fair to gerealise based on the single known Canon compatibility problem. Sigma gives information about this on their web site, it affects a known range of cameras and Sigma offers a free upgrade for all lenses where this is technically feasible. Not bad for customer service.

Re: About Sigma: beware ??

2005-07-11 Thread Cotty
On 10/7/05, E.R.N. Reed, discombobulated, unleashed: I think the R is for Retractable and the T is for TTL. So says my PZ-1 brochure. (Then there's the invisible A in the abbreviation, since they actually define RTF as Retractable TTL Auto Flash.) IIRC it was about this time in Pentax's

Re: Re: About Sigma: beware ??

2005-07-11 Thread mike wilson
From: William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2005/07/11 Mon PM 01:07:53 GMT To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Subject: Re: About Sigma: beware ?? - Original Message - From: keller.schaefer Subject: RE: About Sigma: beware ?? I think it is not fair to gerealise based

Re: Re: About Sigma: beware ??

2005-07-11 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: mike wilson Subject: Re: Re: About Sigma: beware ?? The problem seems to be that licensing does not occur, reverse engineering does. And Canon changes the engineering unpredictably, causing heretofore working lens series to become unfunctional

Re: About Sigma: beware ??

2005-07-11 Thread Cotty
On 11/7/05, mike wilson, discombobulated, unleashed: The problem seems to be that licensing does not occur, reverse engineering does. And Canon changes the engineering unpredictably, causing heretofore working lens series to become unfunctional. If that's the scenario, who is providing the poor

Re: About Sigma: beware ??

2005-07-11 Thread John Whittingham
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Re: Re: About Sigma: beware ??

2005-07-11 Thread mike wilson
From: Cotty [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2005/07/11 Mon PM 01:57:06 GMT To: pentax list pentax-discuss@pdml.net Subject: Re: About Sigma: beware ?? On 11/7/05, mike wilson, discombobulated, unleashed: The problem seems to be that licensing does not occur, reverse engineering does

Re: About Sigma: beware ??

2005-07-11 Thread Cotty
On 11/7/05, mike wilson, discombobulated, unleashed: Indeed. When world domination is at stake, all bets are off. Good point. Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _

Re: Re: About Sigma: beware ??

2005-07-11 Thread mike wilson
From: Cotty [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2005/07/11 Mon PM 02:18:37 GMT To: pentax list pentax-discuss@pdml.net Subject: Re: About Sigma: beware ?? On 11/7/05, mike wilson, discombobulated, unleashed: Indeed. When world domination is at stake, all bets are off. Good point. arthur

Re: Re: About Sigma: beware ??

2005-07-11 Thread mike wilson
From: William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2005/07/11 Mon PM 01:41:23 GMT To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Subject: Re: Re: About Sigma: beware ?? - Original Message - From: mike wilson Subject: Re: Re: About Sigma: beware ?? The problem seems to be that licensing does

Re: About Sigma: beware ??

2005-07-11 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
On Jul 11, 2005, at 7:11 AM, mike wilson wrote: Played with Daddy's new 350D over the weekend. It started making BW pictures under program (sic) and we could not work out how to make it stop. My nose kept changing things and I got really cheesed off with it. You should train that nose

Re: About Sigma: beware ??

2005-07-11 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
On Jul 11, 2005, at 7:03 AM, mike wilson wrote: The problem seems to be that licensing does not occur, reverse engineering does. And Canon changes the engineering unpredictably, causing heretofore working lens series to become unfunctional. If that's the scenario, who is providing the

Re: About Sigma: beware ??

2005-07-11 Thread P. J. Alling
Damn, I wish I'd said that. Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: On Jul 11, 2005, at 7:11 AM, mike wilson wrote: Played with Daddy's new 350D over the weekend. It started making BW pictures under program (sic) and we could not work out how to make it stop. My nose kept changing things and I got

Re: About Sigma: beware ??

2005-07-11 Thread Mark Roberts
Godfrey DiGiorgi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If Canon's changes were so unpredictable and so difficult to keep in compliance with, how come the same Canon lens produced in 1985 works flawlessly on the latest Canon EOS body, despite 20 years of unpredictable body changes and no change to the

Re: About Sigma: beware ??

2005-07-11 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
On Jul 11, 2005, at 9:58 AM, Mark Roberts wrote: If Canon's changes were so unpredictable and so difficult to keep in compliance with, how come the same Canon lens produced in 1985 works flawlessly on the latest Canon EOS body, despite 20 years of unpredictable body changes and no change to

Re: About Sigma: beware ??

2005-07-11 Thread Mark Roberts
Godfrey DiGiorgi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jul 11, 2005, at 9:58 AM, Mark Roberts wrote: If Canon's changes were so unpredictable and so difficult to keep in compliance with, how come the same Canon lens produced in 1985 works flawlessly on the latest Canon EOS body, despite 20 years of

Re: About Sigma: beware ??

2005-07-11 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
On Jul 11, 2005, at 11:15 AM, Mark Roberts wrote: I'm talking software rather than hardware. In the Microsoftean sense. :) It's well known that Microsoft has used its inside knowledge of its operating system to make its own office applications like Word and Excel work better in Windows

Re: About Sigma: beware ??

2005-07-11 Thread Jostein
- Original Message - From: Godfrey DiGiorgi [EMAIL PROTECTED] Played with Daddy's new 350D over the weekend. It started making BW pictures under program (sic) and we could not work out how to make it stop. My nose kept changing things and I got really cheesed off with it. You

Re: About Sigma: beware ??

2005-07-11 Thread Cotty
On 11/7/05, Bruce Dayton, discombobulated, unleashed: I wouldn't be surprised if Canon and others would make changes in new bodies to specifically undermine Sigma - why shouldn't they? Helps them sell more lenses. Yeah, I'll go along with that. Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) |

Re: Re: About Sigma: beware ??

2005-07-11 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: mike wilson Subject: Re: Re: About Sigma: beware ?? They can't be changing that much, they aren't having compatability problems within their own system, that I have heard of. Doesn't need much of a change to sofware to make a lens not work properly

Re: About Sigma: beware ??

2005-07-11 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: Godfrey DiGiorgi Subject: Re: About Sigma: beware ?? If Canon's changes were so unpredictable and so difficult to keep in compliance with, how come the same Canon lens produced in 1985 works flawlessly on the latest Canon EOS body, despite 20 years

Re: About Sigma: beware ??

2005-07-10 Thread Christian
- Original Message - From: Thibouille [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2005 5:26 AM Subject: About Sigma: beware ?? Sigma optics are usually compatible with bodies available at the time the lens is out. But older or newer bodies often have

Re: About Sigma: beware ??

2005-07-10 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
On Jul 10, 2005, at 11:44 AM, Christian wrote: From: Thibouille [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sigma optics are usually compatible with bodies available at the time the lens is out. But older or newer bodies often have problems. I think this is more of a problem with Canon. I find it very hard to

Re: About Sigma: beware ??

2005-07-10 Thread Christian
- Original Message - From: Godfrey DiGiorgi [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Jul 10, 2005, at 11:44 AM, Christian wrote: I think this is more of a problem with Canon. I find it very hard to direct the blame for Sigma malfunctions to Canon. - All Canon brand EOS lenses work flawlessly on

Re: About Sigma: beware ??

2005-07-10 Thread brooksdj
- Original Message - My Sigma 300/4 APO Macro was a great lens and I'd recommend it to anyone with a k-mount camera. It worked on the MX/LX as well as *ist D. Christian I second that Christian. Most of the 200 odd shots at GFM were with

Re: About Sigma: beware ??

2005-07-10 Thread John Coyle
- Original Message - From: Powell Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2005 6:41 AM Subject: Re: About Sigma: beware ?? I have the Sigma 50mm Macro EX and couldn't be more pleased with it. Sure I would prefer the equivalent Pentax but I'm happy

Re: About Sigma: beware ??

2005-07-10 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
On Jul 10, 2005, at 5:49 PM, John Coyle wrote: I have the Sigma 18-35/3.5-4.5 ASP AF, and while it's drawing is quite good it is very flare-susceptible. In addition, the tulip lenshood blocks part of the light from the RTF on both my modern Pentaxes, so I'll probably sell it for the new

Re: About Sigma: beware ??

2005-07-10 Thread Herb Chong
the 15-30 is not very sharp and has lots of CA. Herb - Original Message - From: Powell Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2005 4:41 PM Subject: Re: About Sigma: beware ?? I have the Sigma 50mm Macro EX and couldn't be more pleased

Re: About Sigma: beware ??

2005-07-10 Thread John Coyle
, 2005 10:55 AM Subject: Re: About Sigma: beware ?? On Jul 10, 2005, at 5:49 PM, John Coyle wrote: I have the Sigma 18-35/3.5-4.5 ASP AF, and while it's drawing is quite good it is very flare-susceptible. In addition, the tulip lenshood blocks part of the light from the RTF on both my modern

Re: About Sigma: beware ??

2005-07-10 Thread Herb Chong
heavy this way too, but i sold it for different reasons. Herb - Original Message - From: John Francis [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2005 6:09 PM Subject: Re: About Sigma: beware ?? That's good to hear. Do you use it as an AF lens most

RE: About Sigma: beware ??

2005-07-10 Thread Amita Guha
Unfortunately and very frustratingly I have great problems with the new Sigma 18-125 DC f3.5-5.6 for Canon (20D). Nate and I both have this lens and Nate uses his on the 20D without a problem. (That's the only lens I could afford when I finally got enough money to buy the digital

Re: About Sigma: beware ??

2005-07-10 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
On Jul 10, 2005, at 6:39 PM, John Coyle wrote: RTF = Retractable Flash Strange, I don't find the 28-105 blocks the flash at all on the istD or MZ-S. Is yours the PZ one? ReTractable Flash ... hmm. == Built-in flash. or popup flash... Okey dokey. ;-) No, the FA28-105/3.2-4.5. On this

Re: About Sigma: beware ??

2005-07-10 Thread E.R.N. Reed
Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: On Jul 10, 2005, at 6:39 PM, John Coyle wrote: RTF = Retractable Flash Strange, I don't find the 28-105 blocks the flash at all on the istD or MZ-S. Is yours the PZ one? ReTractable Flash ... hmm. == Built-in flash. or popup flash... Okey dokey. ;-) No, the

Re: About Sigma: beware ??

2005-07-10 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
On Jul 10, 2005, at 9:18 PM, E.R.N. Reed wrote: I think the R is for Retractable and the T is for TTL. So says my PZ-1 brochure. (Then there's the invisible A in the abbreviation, since they actually define RTF as Retractable TTL Auto Flash.) Ah, that makes more sense. Thanks. :-)

About Sigma: beware ??

2005-07-09 Thread Thibouille
My usual retailer (who is a fine Pentax collector BTW) told he usually tends not to sell Sigma lenses because of frequent incompatibilities (dunno if it affects Pentax compatible lenses). Sigma optics are usually compatible with bodies available at the time the lens is out. But older or newer

Re: About Sigma: beware ??

2005-07-09 Thread Jostein
- Original Message - From: Thibouille [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sigma optics are usually compatible with bodies available at the time the lens is out. But older or newer bodies often have problems. It certainly confirms the quirks I see with my EX 70-200/2.8. Not a big deal, though. It

Re: About Sigma: beware ??

2005-07-09 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
My local dealer stopped carrying Sigma lenses several years back due to the number of returns he was getting from them. Highly variable quality control and inconsistent compatibility were my experiences with the brand when I tried them ... I gave up after trying four different lenses with

Re: About Sigma: beware ??

2005-07-09 Thread Rob Studdert
On 9 Jul 2005 at 8:38, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: I expect that if you get a good one that works with your camera, they are good, but I hate the notion that I might get one lens in ten worth keeping. Stigma lenses. Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Tel +61-2-9554-4110 UTC(GMT) +10 Hours

Re: About Sigma: beware ??

2005-07-09 Thread Shel Belinkoff
Astigmatism lenses Shel [Original Message] From: Rob Studdert I expect that if you get a good one that works with your camera, they are good, but I hate the notion that I might get one lens in ten worth keeping. Stigma lenses.

Re: About Sigma: beware ??

2005-07-09 Thread P. J. Alling
SIGnificant MAlfunctions Rob Studdert wrote: On 9 Jul 2005 at 8:38, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: I expect that if you get a good one that works with your camera, they are good, but I hate the notion that I might get one lens in ten worth keeping. Stigma lenses. Rob Studdert

Re: About Sigma: beware ??

2005-07-09 Thread John Whittingham
I expect that if you get a good one that works with your camera, they are good, but I hate the notion that I might get one lens in ten worth keeping. Never had a problem with any of the ones I own/owned, optically or mechanically. But I prefer Pentax lenses if I can find/afford them.

Re: About Sigma: beware ??

2005-07-09 Thread Joseph Tainter
Sigma optics are usually compatible with bodies available at the time the lens is out. But older or newer bodies often have problems. -- From what I understand, this is a common problem with Sigma lenses. I understand also that if you send them an older lens, they will put a new

Re: About Sigma: beware ??

2005-07-09 Thread Powell Hargrave
I have the Sigma 50mm Macro EX and couldn't be more pleased with it. Sure I would prefer the equivalent Pentax but I'm happy to have paid 1/3 the price. Sigma has had poor, lower quality, non compatible lenses in the past but do any of the newer Sigmas still have these problems? Most reviews I

Re: About Sigma: beware ??

2005-07-09 Thread John Whittingham
So has anyone had poor results with a late model Sigma lens? I had the 28-135 consumer zoom for a while. Seemed as well built as comparably-priced ($200.00) Tamrons such; quite sharp; suffered from a little pincushion distortion at the long end. I currently own the EX 300/2.8 APO.

Re: About Sigma: beware ??

2005-07-09 Thread Joseph Tainter
What do you guys think - can I trust a Sigma EX 70-200 f.2.8 APO HSM DG will do a good job, or will it let me down like the 18-125? Lasse -- I have the non-DG version of this, as do others. It is something of a cult lens -- very, very good. The non-DG version does very nicely on my