Re: PESO - Utrecht bicycles

2018-06-07 Thread Henk Terhell
k Womer: There are even more bicycles per capita in Utrecht than in Amsterdam. That’s not easy. https://www.photo.net/photo/18476482/Bicycles-Utrecht (K-5, DA 17-70) Comments appreciated! Rick -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRI

Re: PESO - Utrecht bicycles

2018-06-07 Thread ann sanfedele
lain it. In the Netherlands there are 1.3 bikes per capita. Henk Op 2018-06-06 om 03:26 schreef Rick Womer: There are even more bicycles per capita in Utrecht than in Amsterdam. That’s not easy. https://www.photo.net/photo/18476482/Bicycles-Utrecht (K-5, DA 17-70) Comments appreciated!

Re: PESO - Utrecht bicycles

2018-06-07 Thread Rick Womer
ere are >>> not many slopes in this country). >>> Utrecht is smaller than Amsterdam but also a university town with many >>> students so this will explain it. >>> In the Netherlands there are 1.3 bikes per capita. >>> >>> Henk >>> >>> O

Re: PESO - Utrecht bicycles

2018-06-07 Thread Henk Terhell
echt is smaller than Amsterdam but also a university town with many students so this will explain it. In the Netherlands there are 1.3 bikes per capita. Henk Op 2018-06-06 om 03:26 schreef Rick Womer: There are even more bicycles per capita in Utrecht than in Amsterdam. That’s not easy. h

Re: PESO - Utrecht bicycles

2018-06-06 Thread Rick Womer
sity town with many > students so this will explain it. > In the Netherlands there are 1.3 bikes per capita. > > Henk > > Op 2018-06-06 om 03:26 schreef Rick Womer: >> There are even more bicycles per capita in Utrecht than in Amsterdam. That’s >> not easy. >> &

Re: PESO - Utrecht bicycles

2018-06-06 Thread ann sanfedele
Sigh - I just  don't see it ...  understand, I don't ride bicycles and my eyes are not so good  -  I don't see anything like a post or a fence to tie them too ann On 6/6/2018 1:19 PM, Henk Terhell wrote: Ann, there is a big black cable through the front wheel of the green bike, of a size you

Re: PESO - Utrecht bicycles

2018-06-06 Thread Henk Terhell
wrote: There are even more bicycles per capita in Utrecht than in Amsterdam. That’s not easy. https://www.photo.net/photo/18476482/Bicycles-Utrecht (K-5, DA 17-70) Comments appreciated! Rick -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net

Re: PESO - Utrecht bicycles

2018-06-06 Thread Daniel J. Matyola
Nice color and geometry. Dan Matyola http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola On Tue, Jun 5, 2018 at 9:26 PM, Rick Womer wrote: > There are even more bicycles per capita in Utrecht than in Amsterdam. > That’s not easy. > > https://www.photo.net/photo/18476482/Bicycles-Utre

Re: PESO - Utrecht bicycles

2018-06-06 Thread ann sanfedele
What I notice immediately as they aren't chained up.  Nice commentary :-) ann On 6/5/2018 9:26 PM, Rick Womer wrote: There are even more bicycles per capita in Utrecht than in Amsterdam. That’s not easy. https://www.photo.net/photo/18476482/Bicycles-Utrecht (K-5, DA 17-70) Comments

Re: PESO - Utrecht bicycles

2018-06-06 Thread Henk Terhell
schreef Rick Womer: There are even more bicycles per capita in Utrecht than in Amsterdam. That’s not easy. https://www.photo.net/photo/18476482/Bicycles-Utrecht (K-5, DA 17-70) Comments appreciated! Rick -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo

PESO - Utrecht bicycles

2018-06-05 Thread Rick Womer
There are even more bicycles per capita in Utrecht than in Amsterdam. That’s not easy. https://www.photo.net/photo/18476482/Bicycles-Utrecht (K-5, DA 17-70) Comments appreciated! Rick -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE

OT: Ai Weiwei’s ‘Forever Bicycles’

2013-10-13 Thread Daniel J. Matyola
Quite an installation, Frank! http://twistedsifter.com/2013/10/ai-weiwei-forever-bicycles-installation-toronto/ Dan Matyola http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML

Re: OT: Ai Weiwei’s ‘Forever Bicycles’

2013-10-13 Thread Bob Sullivan
, 2013 at 8:37 AM, Daniel J. Matyola danmaty...@gmail.com wrote: Quite an installation, Frank! http://twistedsifter.com/2013/10/ai-weiwei-forever-bicycles-installation-toronto/ Dan Matyola http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http

RE: Bicycles and HCB -- Perfect together?

2012-10-18 Thread Bob W
. It will be interesting to see how this appears in HCB's pictures. B -Original Message- From: PDML [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Daniel J. Matyola Sent: 18 October 2012 19:24 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: OT: Bicycles and HCB -- Perfect together? It’s almost unthinkable

Re: OT: Bicycles and HCB -- Perfect together?

2012-10-18 Thread Ann Sanfedele
can be dismissed without proof. -- Christopher Hitchens --- Original Message --- From: Daniel J. Matyola danmaty...@gmail.com Sent: October 18, 2012 10/18/12 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: OT: Bicycles and HCB -- Perfect together? It’s almost unthinkable that any of Henri

Re: PESO - Lucca bicycles

2009-06-06 Thread Rick Womer
:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: PESO - Lucca bicycles I like the subdued lighting in this one. Good one, Rick. - Original Message From: Rick Womer rwomer1...@yahoo.com To: pdml@pdml.net Sent: Friday, June 5, 2009 2:58:05 PM Subject: PESO - Lucca bicycles

Re: PESO - Lucca bicycles

2009-06-06 Thread David J Brooks
Nice soft lighting Rick. Nice colours and framing Dave On Fri, Jun 5, 2009 at 5:58 PM, Rick Womerrwomer1...@yahoo.com wrote: Putting up my periscope again, after a busy week. Another shot from Lucca, Italy.  Mopeds and motorcycles rule in Rome.  In Lucca, it's bicycles.  That's nice

PESO - Lucca bicycles

2009-06-05 Thread Rick Womer
Putting up my periscope again, after a busy week. Another shot from Lucca, Italy. Mopeds and motorcycles rule in Rome. In Lucca, it's bicycles. That's nice. http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=9273919size=lg (K10D, DA 16-45) Rick -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML

Re: PESO - Lucca bicycles

2009-06-05 Thread Brendan MacRae
I like the subdued lighting in this one. Good one, Rick. - Original Message From: Rick Womer rwomer1...@yahoo.com To: pdml@pdml.net Sent: Friday, June 5, 2009 2:58:05 PM Subject: PESO - Lucca bicycles Putting up my periscope again, after a busy week. Another shot from

Re: PESO - Lucca bicycles

2009-06-05 Thread 272yb
-05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: PESO - Lucca bicycles I like the subdued lighting in this one. Good one, Rick. - Original Message From: Rick Womer rwomer1...@yahoo.com To: pdml@pdml.net Sent: Friday, June 5, 2009 2:58:05 PM Subject: PESO - Lucca bicycles Putting up my

Re: OT: Those pesky terrorists and their assault bicycles again.

2009-01-13 Thread frank theriault
On Sat, Jan 10, 2009 at 10:48 PM, John Sessoms jsessoms...@nc.rr.com wrote: From: Bruce Walker Steve Sharpe wrote: At 7:38 PM + 1/9/09, Bob W wrote: Despite him showing his House of Commons pass to the officers, they insisted on searching him after they found him taking photos

Re: OT: Those pesky terrorists and their assault bicycles again.

2009-01-10 Thread Rick Womer
--- On Fri, 1/9/09, Christian christ...@skofteland.net wrote: Despite him showing his House of Commons pass to the officers, they insisted on searching him after they found him taking photos of a cycle path in his area. Perhaps he was trying to pedal armaments. I like the spin

Re: OT: Those pesky terrorists and their assault bicycles again.

2009-01-10 Thread Stan Halpin
On Jan 10, 2009, at 1:26 PM, Rick Womer wrote: --- On Fri, 1/9/09, Christian christ...@skofteland.net wrote: Despite him showing his House of Commons pass to the officers, they insisted on searching him after they found him taking photos of a cycle path in his area. Perhaps he was

Re: OT: Those pesky terrorists and their assault bicycles again.

2009-01-10 Thread Ken Waller
Kenneth Waller http://www.tinyurl.com/272u2f - Original Message - From: Rick Womer rwomer1...@yahoo.com Subject: Re: OT: Those pesky terrorists and their assault bicycles again. --- On Fri, 1/9/09, Christian christ...@skofteland.net wrote: Despite him showing his House

Re: OT: Those pesky terrorists and their assault bicycles again.

2009-01-10 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: Ken Waller Subject: Re: OT: Those pesky terrorists and their assault bicycles again. Despite him showing his House of Commons pass to the officers, they insisted on searching him after they found him taking photos of a cycle path in his area

Re: OT: Those pesky terrorists and their assault bicycles again.

2009-01-10 Thread John Sessoms
From: Bruce Walker Steve Sharpe wrote: At 7:38 PM + 1/9/09, Bob W wrote: Despite him showing his House of Commons pass to the officers, they insisted on searching him after they found him taking photos of a cycle path in his area. Perhaps he was trying to pedal armaments. I

OT: Those pesky terrorists and their assault bicycles again.

2009-01-09 Thread Bob W
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/politics/conservative/4144210/Tor y-MP-stopped-and-searched-by-police-for-taking-photos-of-cycle-path.html The 48-year-old MP for Central Croydon, who was arrested for allegedly assaulting his second wife Lucy last year, was stopped by officers under

Re: OT: Those pesky terrorists and their assault bicycles again.

2009-01-09 Thread Steve Sharpe
At 7:38 PM + 1/9/09, Bob W wrote: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/politics/conservative/4144210/Tor y-MP-stopped-and-searched-by-police-for-taking-photos-of-cycle-path.html The 48-year-old MP for Central Croydon, who was arrested for allegedly assaulting his second wife Lucy last

Re: OT: Those pesky terrorists and their assault bicycles again.

2009-01-09 Thread Bruce Walker
Steve Sharpe wrote: At 7:38 PM + 1/9/09, Bob W wrote: Despite him showing his House of Commons pass to the officers, they insisted on searching him after they found him taking photos of a cycle path in his area. Perhaps he was trying to pedal armaments. I like the spin both the

Re: OT: Those pesky terrorists and their assault bicycles again.

2009-01-09 Thread Christian
Bruce Walker wrote: Steve Sharpe wrote: At 7:38 PM + 1/9/09, Bob W wrote: Despite him showing his House of Commons pass to the officers, they insisted on searching him after they found him taking photos of a cycle path in his area. Perhaps he was trying to pedal armaments. I like

Re: OT: Those pesky terrorists and their assault bicycles again.

2009-01-09 Thread frank theriault
On Fri, Jan 9, 2009 at 2:38 PM, Bob W p...@web-options.com wrote: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/politics/conservative/4144210/Tor y-MP-stopped-and-searched-by-police-for-taking-photos-of-cycle-path.html The 48-year-old MP for Central Croydon, who was arrested for allegedly

Re: OT: Those pesky terrorists and their assault bicycles again.

2009-01-09 Thread Steve Sharpe
At 3:38 PM -0500 1/9/09, Bruce Walker wrote: Steve Sharpe wrote: At 7:38 PM + 1/9/09, Bob W wrote: Despite him showing his House of Commons pass to the officers, they insisted on searching him after they found him taking photos of a cycle path in his area. Perhaps he was trying to

Re: OT: Those pesky terrorists and their assault bicycles again.

2009-01-09 Thread Bruce Walker
Steve Sharpe wrote: At 3:38 PM -0500 1/9/09, Bruce Walker wrote: Steve Sharpe wrote: At 7:38 PM + 1/9/09, Bob W wrote: Despite him showing his House of Commons pass to the officers, they insisted on searching him after they found him taking photos of a cycle path in his area. Perhaps

Re: OT: Those pesky terrorists and their assault bicycles again.

2009-01-09 Thread Steve Sharpe
At 6:28 PM -0500 1/9/09, Bruce Walker wrote: Steve Sharpe wrote: At 3:38 PM -0500 1/9/09, Bruce Walker wrote: Steve Sharpe wrote: At 7:38 PM + 1/9/09, Bob W wrote: Despite him showing his House of Commons pass to the officers, they insisted on searching him after they found him taking

Re: Adults on bicycles

2006-11-08 Thread P. J. Alling
] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Cotty Sent: 01 November 2006 08:05 To: pentax list Subject: Re: Adults on bicycles On 1/11/06, Bob W, discombobulated, unleashed: Hmm. Maybe. That's a small crack of willingness I can just get my crowbar of persuasion

RE: Adults on bicycles

2006-11-04 Thread Bob W
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of frank theriault [...] However, they offer a greatly increased chance of survival and/or minimization of brain injury in a surprisingly large number of collisions. I can think of at least three

Re: Adults on bicycles

2006-11-04 Thread Cotty
On 4/11/06, Bob W, discombobulated, unleashed: Strangely enough, cycling is safer than living! Which begs the belief that cycling is not actually living. -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com

RE: Adults on bicycles

2006-11-04 Thread Bob W
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Cotty Sent: 04 November 2006 10:19 To: pentax list Subject: Re: Adults on bicycles On 4/11/06, Bob W, discombobulated, unleashed: Strangely enough, cycling is safer than living! Which begs

Re: Adults on bicycles

2006-11-04 Thread Scott Loveless
Looks like I'm better off cycling without my helmet than I am sitting here on my fat ass reading PDML mail. g Conversely, here in the States fishing is often a very relaxing endeavour. Depending on the fisherman he may decided to sit on a bank, take a boat ride, or wade out into a stream with a

Re: Adults on bicycles

2006-11-04 Thread Cotty
On 4/11/06, Bob W, discombobulated, unleashed: absolutely. So next time you see a cyclist (are there any in Oxford?) it's your duty to shout Get a life, loser!. This before I hit them with the vehicle or after ? ;-) -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche

Re: Adults on bicycles

2006-11-04 Thread John Francis
On Sat, Nov 04, 2006 at 03:42:11PM +, Cotty wrote: On 4/11/06, Bob W, discombobulated, unleashed: absolutely. So next time you see a cyclist (are there any in Oxford?) it's your duty to shout Get a life, loser!. This before I hit them with the vehicle or after ? ;-) There's not a lot

Re: Adults on bicycles

2006-11-04 Thread Cotty
On 4/11/06, John Francis, discombobulated, unleashed: There's not a lot of point shouting at them *after* you hit them, is there? (Although get a life does seem strangely appropriate). Oh, c'mon, I wouldn't kill a cyclist outright, that would be very bad. I like to see some suffering first. --

Re: Adults on bicycles

2006-11-03 Thread mike wilson
From: David Mann [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2006/11/03 Fri AM 05:04:06 GMT To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: Adults on bicycles On Nov 2, 2006, at 8:15 PM, Bob W wrote: You make your own choices (or do you? isn't it compulsory in NZ?) It is compulsory in NZ

Re: Adults on bicycles

2006-11-03 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: David Mann Subject: Re: Adults on bicycles Nothing can guarantee protection against a really serious head injury. The impact is just too large, and even the best helmets can only absorb so much of it. Helmets are a compromise solution to head protection

Re: Adults on bicycles

2006-11-03 Thread frank theriault
On 11/3/06, William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Helmets are a compromise solution to head protection. They can offer exceedingly good protection, but at the expense of weight. A heavier helmet is more likely to cause soft tissue injuries (whiplash) to the neck. ~Everything~ in life is a

Re: Adults on bicycles

2006-11-02 Thread mike wilson
Subject: Re: Adults on bicycles That makes as much sense as anything else in this thread... Bob W wrote: thanks to the magic of HG's time machine, Orson was simultaneously his grandfather and his niece. -- Cheers, Bob -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED

RE: Adults on bicycles

2006-11-02 Thread mike wilson
From: Bob W [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2006/11/01 Wed PM 09:23:41 GMT To: 'Pentax-Discuss Mail List' pdml@pdml.net Subject: RE: Adults on bicycles That might work, Bob, if it were applied consistently in all other areas of activity, and if the wearing of cycle helmets could be shown

Re: Adults on bicycles

2006-11-02 Thread Cotty
On 2/11/06, John Forbes, discombobulated, unleashed: Of course, it's different in America. Your suburbs are much larger. Amazing what botox can do ;-) -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _

Re: Adults on bicycles

2006-11-02 Thread mike wilson
From: John Francis [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2006/11/01 Wed PM 10:26:38 GMT To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: Adults on bicycles On Wed, Nov 01, 2006 at 09:12:22PM -, Bob W wrote: Your wise neurosurgeon might care to reflect on this: (http

Re: Adults on bicycles

2006-11-02 Thread John Coyle
, Australia - Original Message - From: Don Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Sent: Thursday, November 02, 2006 5:42 PM Subject: Re: Adults on bicycles Hi John, There must have been something seriously wrong with the bicycle for a front wheel to collapse

Re: Adults on bicycles

2006-11-02 Thread Don Williams
Subject: Re: Adults on bicycles Hi John, There must have been something seriously wrong with the bicycle for a front wheel to collapse. A little maintenance might have helped -- as well as care and attention when riding? A serious fall would do me no good whatsoever at 74. I tweak the spokes

Re: Adults on bicycles

2006-11-02 Thread Doug Franklin
mike wilson wrote: Short, regularly travelled routes seem to have a disproportionate number of accidents. I don't think anyone has done any work (at least, I can't find it online) to work out if that is merely due to a statistical function or if there is a human effect at work. I suspect

Re: Adults on bicycles

2006-11-02 Thread mike wilson
I find it difficult to disagree with you. 8-))) From: Doug Franklin [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2006/11/02 Thu PM 01:13:53 GMT To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: Adults on bicycles mike wilson wrote: Short, regularly travelled routes seem to have a disproportionate

Re: Adults on bicycles

2006-11-02 Thread Adam Maas
was riding again in a week. But bicycles, especially those like mine, a Scott mountain bike, need a lot of care and attention because they get pretty rough treatment. Ten years ago I used to change the tyres in the autumn to a pair with spikes; but as the years went by I began to realise that I

RE: Adults on bicycles

2006-11-02 Thread Malcolm Smith
Doug Franklin wrote: I suspect that it mostly boils down to familiarity breeds contempt. Those short, regularly traveled routes are the ones where the driver is most likely to be running on autopilot because they know the route, and probably also the most likely, therefore, to be where

RE: Adults on bicycles

2006-11-02 Thread Bob W
In that case you'd better unsubscribe. Doug B won't want agreement breaking out all over his list. I find it difficult to disagree with you. 8-))) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net

Re: Adults on bicycles

2006-11-02 Thread ann sanfedele
One of my favorite photos ever... I'm way behind on reading stuff on list - I was expecting a photo of yours though :) ann Bob W wrote: Every time I see an adult on a bicycle, said H G Wells, I no longer despair for the human race Cast your despair to the four winds, and enjoy:

Re: Adults on bicycles

2006-11-02 Thread graywolf
Proper maintenance of the bicycle? Bicycle wheels are immensely strong they support my fat body no problem. They do not just collapse out of the blue for no reason. You folks remind me of those college kids I see jaywalking, If I don't look he will not hit me. You have to operate with the

Re: Adults on bicycles

2006-11-02 Thread graywolf
Message - From: Don Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Sent: Thursday, November 02, 2006 5:42 PM Subject: Re: Adults on bicycles Hi John, There must have been something seriously wrong with the bicycle for a front wheel to collapse. A little

Re: Adults on bicycles

2006-11-02 Thread graywolf
I suggest that folks read Effective Cycling by John Forester with a open mind, then think critically about what he says because his information is based upon the facts, not the feelings involved. Riding according to his teachings I have never even had a near accident even when commuting in big

RE: Adults on bicycles

2006-11-02 Thread Bob W
Subject: Re: Adults on bicycles One of my favorite photos ever... I'm way behind on reading stuff on list - I was expecting a photo of yours though :) ann Bob W wrote: Every time I see an adult on a bicycle, said H G Wells, I no longer despair for the human race Cast your

RE: Adults on bicycles

2006-11-02 Thread mike wilson
From: Malcolm Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2006/11/02 Thu PM 02:30:47 GMT To: 'Pentax-Discuss Mail List' pdml@pdml.net Subject: RE: Adults on bicycles Doug Franklin wrote: I suspect that it mostly boils down to familiarity breeds contempt. Those short, regularly traveled routes

Re: Adults on bicycles

2006-11-02 Thread Gonz
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, Nov 01, 2006 at 09:12:22PM -, Bob W wrote: Your wise neurosurgeon might care to reflect on this: (http://www.cyclecraft.co.uk/digest/effectiveness.pdf) ... the average distance cycled per person in the UK each year is only 62 km42 (and in the Netherlands

RE: Adults on bicycles

2006-11-02 Thread Bob W
Mail List Subject: Re: Adults on bicycles [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, Nov 01, 2006 at 09:12:22PM -, Bob W wrote: Your wise neurosurgeon might care to reflect on this: (http://www.cyclecraft.co.uk/digest/effectiveness.pdf) ... the average distance cycled per person in the UK

Re: Adults on bicycles

2006-11-02 Thread John Francis
PROTECTED] Date: 2006/11/01 Wed PM 09:26:40 GMT To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: Adults on bicycles That makes as much sense as anything else in this thread... Bob W wrote: thanks to the magic of HG's time machine, Orson was simultaneously his grandfather and his

Re: Adults on bicycles

2006-11-02 Thread Shel Belinkoff
LOL Based on a 30 stride, that's 528 steps. Shel [Original Message] From: Gonz In my household, besides driving to work (15miles and 6miles), there are mostly short trips: gym 1/4 mile -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net

Re: Adults on bicycles

2006-11-02 Thread frank theriault
On 11/2/06, David Mann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Nov 2, 2006, at 10:49 AM, Bob W wrote: The best protection for cyclists is to learn how to cycle properly in traffic. That helps, but you need to bear in mind that drivers have blind spots, are often inattentive (especially while in a

Re: Adults on bicycles

2006-11-02 Thread Gonz
We drop off the kids to go swimming. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: LOL Based on a 30 stride, that's 528 steps. Shel [Original Message] From: Gonz In my household, besides driving to work (15miles and 6miles), there are mostly short trips: gym 1/4 mile -- PDML

Re: Adults on bicycles

2006-11-02 Thread mike wilson
] On Behalf Of ann sanfedele Sent: 02 November 2006 15:20 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: Adults on bicycles One of my favorite photos ever... I'm way behind on reading stuff on list - I was expecting a photo of yours though :) ann Bob W wrote: Every time I see an adult on a bicycle, said H

Re: Adults on bicycles

2006-11-02 Thread David Mann
On Nov 2, 2006, at 8:15 PM, Bob W wrote: You make your own choices (or do you? isn't it compulsory in NZ?) It is compulsory in NZ, and I just happen to agree that wearing a helmet is a good idea for my situation. I may have become indoctrinated by the requirement though :) The way things

Re: Adults on bicycles

2006-11-01 Thread Cotty
On 1/11/06, Bob W, discombobulated, unleashed: Hmm. Maybe. That's a small crack of willingness I can just get my crowbar of persuasion into -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _ --

Re: Adults on bicycles

2006-11-01 Thread mike wilson
From: graywolf [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2006/11/01 Wed AM 01:47:38 GMT To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: Adults on bicycles Let's see, did he say that before WWII when almost no adults in the US rode bicycles, durning WWII when many rode out of necessity, after

Re: Adults on bicycles

2006-11-01 Thread graywolf
I have only rode bicycles for a short while, less than sixty years, but I have never fallen off and landed on my head. Most of my contemporaries managed to get through at least childhood without wearing a helmet too. I imagine those laws sure do make a lot of money for the helmet sellers

Re: Adults on bicycles

2006-11-01 Thread graywolf
Wed AM 01:47:38 GMT To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: Adults on bicycles Let's see, did he say that before WWII when almost no adults in the US rode bicycles, durning WWII when many rode out of necessity, after WWII when adults never would be caught on one in fear

Re: Adults on bicycles

2006-11-01 Thread Digital Image Studio
On 01/11/06, graywolf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have only rode bicycles for a short while, less than sixty years, but I have never fallen off and landed on my head. Most of my contemporaries managed to get through at least childhood without wearing a helmet too. I imagine those laws sure do

Re: Adults on bicycles

2006-11-01 Thread frank theriault
On 11/1/06, graywolf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have only rode bicycles for a short while, less than sixty years, but I have never fallen off and landed on my head. Most of my contemporaries managed to get through at least childhood without wearing a helmet too. I imagine those laws sure do

Re: Adults on bicycles

2006-11-01 Thread John Forbes
On Wed, 01 Nov 2006 13:03:49 -, frank theriault [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 11/1/06, graywolf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have only rode bicycles for a short while, less than sixty years, but I have never fallen off and landed on my head. Most of my contemporaries managed to get through

Re: Adults on bicycles

2006-11-01 Thread mike wilson
From: Digital Image Studio [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2006/11/01 Wed PM 12:30:05 GMT To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: Adults on bicycles On 01/11/06, graywolf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have only rode bicycles for a short while, less than sixty years, but I have

Re: Adults on bicycles

2006-11-01 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
. On the other hand, I don't like the nanny state telling me what to do. I never listened to the nanny state. When I was a child, bicycle helmets were uncommon and I rode without one. But from the point of being age 16 and beyond, I got away from bicycles, rode motorcycles and hung around

RE: Adults on bicycles

2006-11-01 Thread Tim Øsleby
Sent: 1. november 2006 13:14 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: Adults on bicycles I have only rode bicycles for a short while, less than sixty years, but I have never fallen off and landed on my head. Most of my contemporaries managed to get through at least childhood without wearing

RE: Adults on bicycles

2006-11-01 Thread Bob W
The only dead person I have seen in the UK, outside a coffin, was a cyclist who had just been knocked over. John I guess you've been lucky. I've seen dead motorists, dead shoppers who were waiting for a lift, and dead motor-cyclists (all wearing helmets), but never a dead cyclist. Bob

RE: Adults on bicycles

2006-11-01 Thread Bob W
2006 08:05 To: pentax list Subject: Re: Adults on bicycles On 1/11/06, Bob W, discombobulated, unleashed: Hmm. Maybe. That's a small crack of willingness I can just get my crowbar of persuasion into -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche

RE: Adults on bicycles

2006-11-01 Thread Bob W
OTOH, it is a personal decision, and I wouldn't think less of someone who has perhaps decided that they don't want or need a helmet... Precisely, and I would not think less of someone who chose to wear one. I am an adult of sound mind. It's not for some health-and-safety-obsessed busybody

Re: Re: Adults on bicycles

2006-11-01 Thread DagT
started using a helmet. DagT Fra: graywolf [EMAIL PROTECTED] I have only rode bicycles for a short while, less than sixty years, but I have never fallen off and landed on my head. Most of my contemporaries managed to get through at least childhood without wearing a helmet too. I

Re: Adults on bicycles

2006-11-01 Thread Mat Maessen
On 11/1/06, frank theriault [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Then there's always the possibility that a cyclist may be completely in the right, and that a car might be in the wrong and hit a cyclist. Since cars have a mass of some 20 times that of a bicycle and rider, physics tend to be on the side of

RE: Adults on bicycles

2006-11-01 Thread Bertil Holmberg
My old neurosurgery teacher said: ”It is wise to use a helmet, it protects the brain, that is were the wisdom is located. Regards, Bertil -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net

Re: Adults on bicycles

2006-11-01 Thread Bob Sullivan
I believe the law should read, If you won't wear a helmet on your motorcycle, no public funds or insurance monies may be used to support your life or recovery after an accident. Bicycle riding is another matter, but still deserves the helmet. Regards, Bob S. On 11/1/06, Mat Maessen [EMAIL

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2006-11-01 Thread Bob W
: Adults on bicycles Oh, well, I was having one of those senior moments and was thinking of Orson Wells who became famous with a radio broadcast based upon one of HG's stories. I wonder if they were related? Yes, I know I could look that up... -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML

RE: Adults on bicycles

2006-11-01 Thread Bob W
that have been made. -- Cheers, Bob -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bertil Holmberg Sent: 01 November 2006 20:50 To: pdml@pdml.net Subject: RE: Adults on bicycles My old neurosurgery teacher said: It is wise to use

Re: Adults on bicycles

2006-11-01 Thread Scott Loveless
On 11/1/06, Bob Sullivan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I believe the law should read, If you won't wear a helmet on your motorcycle, no public funds or insurance monies may be used to support your life or recovery after an accident. Bicycle riding is another matter, but still deserves the helmet.

Re: Adults on bicycles

2006-11-01 Thread Scott Loveless
On 11/1/06, Mat Maessen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 11/1/06, frank theriault [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Then there's always the possibility that a cyclist may be completely in the right, and that a car might be in the wrong and hit a cyclist. Since cars have a mass of some 20 times that of a

Re: Adults on bicycles

2006-11-01 Thread graywolf
Of graywolf Sent: 01 November 2006 12:23 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: Adults on bicycles Oh, well, I was having one of those senior moments and was thinking of Orson Wells who became famous with a radio broadcast based upon one of HG's stories. I wonder if they were related? Yes

Re: Adults on bicycles

2006-11-01 Thread graywolf
If you get hit by a car doing 30mph a bicycle helmet is not likely to help you at all. Paranoia is far better protection. Thet are out to get you, don't let them. Mat Maessen wrote: On 11/1/06, frank theriault [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Then there's always the possibility that a cyclist may be

RE: Adults on bicycles

2006-11-01 Thread Bob W
] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bob Sullivan Sent: 01 November 2006 21:03 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: Adults on bicycles I believe the law should read, If you won't wear a helmet on your motorcycle, no public funds or insurance monies may be used to support your life

Re: Adults on bicycles

2006-11-01 Thread frank theriault
On 11/1/06, graywolf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you get hit by a car doing 30mph a bicycle helmet is not likely to help you at all. Paranoia is far better protection. Thet are out to get you, don't let them. Absolutely wrong on both counts, IMHO. If a car hits you doing 50kmh, the direct hit

RE: Adults on bicycles

2006-11-01 Thread Bob W
-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: Adults on bicycles If you get hit by a car doing 30mph a bicycle helmet is not likely to help you at all. Paranoia is far better protection. Thet are out to get you, don't let them. Mat Maessen wrote: On 11/1/06, frank theriault [EMAIL PROTECTED

Re: Adults on bicycles

2006-11-01 Thread frank theriault
On 11/1/06, Bob W [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The best protection for cyclists is to learn how to cycle properly in traffic. This means behaving like the driver of a vehicle, obeying the traffic laws, changing lanes properly, positioning yourself on the road properly, stopping at red lights,

Re: Adults on bicycles

2006-11-01 Thread Bob Sullivan
Subject: Re: Adults on bicycles I believe the law should read, If you won't wear a helmet on your motorcycle, no public funds or insurance monies may be used to support your life or recovery after an accident. Bicycle riding is another matter, but still deserves the helmet. Regards, Bob

Re: Adults on bicycles

2006-11-01 Thread Adam Maas
frank theriault wrote: On 11/1/06, graywolf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you get hit by a car doing 30mph a bicycle helmet is not likely to help you at all. Paranoia is far better protection. Thet are out to get you, don't let them. Absolutely wrong on both counts, IMHO. If a car hits

Re: Adults on bicycles

2006-11-01 Thread John Francis
On Wed, Nov 01, 2006 at 09:12:22PM -, Bob W wrote: Your wise neurosurgeon might care to reflect on this: (http://www.cyclecraft.co.uk/digest/effectiveness.pdf) ... the average distance cycled per person in the UK each year is only 62 km42 (and in the Netherlands only 850 km43), so the

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