Re: Count number of lens surfaces from a photo

2014-09-17 Thread Mark C
Igor - I took another look at your first image - I actually pulled it into photoshop and adjusted the curves to make the flare spots more prominent. Looking at them closely I agree that they are flare spots - they have the hexagonal shape of the aperture and the characteristic brighter outer

Re: Count number of lens surfaces from a photo

2014-09-17 Thread P.J. Alling
That should be definitely not defiantly, though I suppose it could be... On 9/17/2014 12:03 AM, P.J. Alling wrote: Well, I haven't been keeping track of this thread, much, obviously. The first image with the sun in the frame is defiantly lens flare, which is caused by light bouncing off lens

Re: Count number of lens surfaces from a photo

2014-09-17 Thread Bill
On 16/09/2014 9:11 PM, Igor PDML-StR wrote: Mark, this argument got me thinking even more (after I somewhat thoughtfully dismissed Bill's suggestion). You gave one of my suggestions some thought? Why in the world would you do that? bill -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net

Re: Count number of lens surfaces from a photo

2014-09-17 Thread P.J. Alling
On 9/17/2014 5:36 PM, Bill wrote: On 16/09/2014 9:11 PM, Igor PDML-StR wrote: Mark, this argument got me thinking even more (after I somewhat thoughtfully dismissed Bill's suggestion). You gave one of my suggestions some thought? Why in the world would you do that? bill Personally, I'd

Re: Count number of lens surfaces from a photo

2014-09-17 Thread Bill
On 17/09/2014 6:45 PM, P.J. Alling wrote: On 9/17/2014 5:36 PM, Bill wrote: On 16/09/2014 9:11 PM, Igor PDML-StR wrote: Mark, this argument got me thinking even more (after I somewhat thoughtfully dismissed Bill's suggestion). You gave one of my suggestions some thought? Why in the world

Re: Count number of lens surfaces from a photo

2014-09-16 Thread Igor PDML-StR
Mark, this argument got me thinking even more (after I somewhat thoughtfully dismissed Bill's suggestion). My argument in defense of the non-aligned reflections was that those were due to multiple reflections from non-parallel surfaces of the elements (or, rather groups) on the sides where

Re: Count number of lens surfaces from a photo

2014-09-16 Thread P.J. Alling
Igor, if by ghost image you are referring to the round brightish spot in the upper right corner of the second image, and the left side of the first. I don't think you're seeing an internal lens issue, well not exactly. What you have recorded are orbs. Those who believe in the paranormal,

Re: Count number of lens surfaces from a photo

2014-09-16 Thread Igor PDML-StR
P.J., My inquiry was whether the ghost images in the original (sunny) image were due to the reflections (possibly multiple reflections) from the lens elements' surfaces. Mark and Bill suggested an alternative explanation that those could've been caused by dust/mist particles. My argument

Re: Count number of lens surfaces from a photo

2014-09-16 Thread P.J. Alling
Well, I haven't been keeping track of this thread, much, obviously. The first image with the sun in the frame is defiantly lens flare, which is caused by light bouncing off lens elements. Now that I know what the argument is about, I'll shut up now. However I know people who'll go just

Re: Count number of lens surfaces from a photo

2014-09-15 Thread Mark C
Interesting experiment... Intuitively, it would seem that reflections off the lens surfaces would align with the angle at which the light was entering the lens. You can see that in the alignment of the two bright flare spots in the lower left corner with the sun (light source, obviously.) So -

Re: Count number of lens surfaces from a photo

2014-09-13 Thread Rob Studdert
If the elements are bonded they shouldn't act as a surface. On 13 September 2014 15:54, Bill anotherdrunken...@gmail.com wrote: On 12/09/2014 8:11 PM, Igor PDML-StR wrote: How many surfaces does this lens have? http://42graphy.org/misc/Baikal/_IR29947.jpg (for those ready to cheat: it's

Re: Count number of lens surfaces from a photo

2014-09-13 Thread Bill
On 13/09/2014 12:13 AM, Rob Studdert wrote: If the elements are bonded they shouldn't act as a surface. I'm sure they do, but I still run into the higher math problem. I am rather a simple man of pleasures. bill On 13 September 2014 15:54, Bill anotherdrunken...@gmail.com wrote: On

Re: Count number of lens surfaces from a photo

2014-09-13 Thread mike wilson
On 13 September 2014 07:13, Rob Studdert distudio.p...@gmail.com wrote: If the elements are bonded they shouldn't act as a surface. Unfortunately, not correct. The effect can be minimised to the point of negligibility by careful choice of bonding agent and by other techniques such as SMC

Re: Count number of lens surfaces from a photo

2014-09-13 Thread P.J. Alling
Here's the optical formula you can judge for yourself. http://www.bdimitrov.de/kmp/lenses/zooms/_optics/17-70f4.gif On 9/12/2014 10:11 PM, Igor PDML-StR wrote: How many surfaces does this lens have? http://42graphy.org/misc/Baikal/_IR29947.jpg (for those ready to cheat: it's Pentax 17-70/4

Re: Count number of lens surfaces from a photo

2014-09-13 Thread Jack Davis
34? Jack - Original Message - From: P.J. Alling webstertwenty...@gmail.com To: PDML pdml@pdml.net Sent: Saturday, September 13, 2014 8:44:27 AM Subject: Re: Count number of lens surfaces from a photo Here's the optical formula you can judge for yourself. http://www.bdimitrov.de/kmp

Count number of lens surfaces from a photo

2014-09-12 Thread Igor PDML-StR
How many surfaces does this lens have? http://42graphy.org/misc/Baikal/_IR29947.jpg (for those ready to cheat: it's Pentax 17-70/4 at f/22) I didn't expect to see so many reflections from all the surfaces. That's what I assume was the reason for all those spots. Right? Igor -- PDML

Re: Count number of lens surfaces from a photo

2014-09-12 Thread Bill
On 12/09/2014 8:11 PM, Igor PDML-StR wrote: How many surfaces does this lens have? http://42graphy.org/misc/Baikal/_IR29947.jpg (for those ready to cheat: it's Pentax 17-70/4 at f/22) I didn't expect to see so many reflections from all the surfaces. That's what I assume was the reason for all