Re: DPreview Review of Fuji X100

2011-05-19 Thread Miserere
On 18 May 2011 13:26, Godfrey DiGiorgi gdigio...@gmail.com wrote: It's just different to what I was once used to, to me, not unenjoyable. The Olympus focus by wire is excellent and nets a good feel IMO with their better lenses. Agreed! The best focus-by-wire I've used so far (out of Oly,

Re: DPreview Review of Fuji X100

2011-05-19 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
On Thu, May 19, 2011 at 10:40 AM, Miserere miser...@gmail.com wrote: The Ricoh 28mm isn't quite so, but like with any very wide lens I either zone focus or use spot AF, which eliminates the problem. The 50mm I tried yesterday focuses very smoothly and precisely in manual mode.

Re: DPreview Review of Fuji X100

2011-05-18 Thread Cotty
On 17/5/11, Larry Colen, discombobulated, unleashed: If I had a bit more (any) free time, it would be tempting to start my own photo website and invite the members of PDML to write for it. We, the undersubscribed, hereby enable you with more time. -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) |

RE: DPreview Review of Fuji X100

2011-05-18 Thread Bob W
From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of William Robb On 17/05/2011 6:16 AM, Steven Desjardins wrote: http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/fujifilmx100/ They were clearly exasperated with the combination of wonderful camera and stupid flaws. I have to admit

DPreview Review of Fuji X100

2011-05-18 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
(I haven't read the DPR review and likely won't. Never did put much faith or find much credibility in what they have to say. But Cotty: I agree with you .. I'd much rather have an R-D1 or an M8 than an X100, even with only one lens.) I was all prepared to swoon over the X100 but playing with one

Re: DPreview Review of Fuji X100

2011-05-18 Thread Larry Colen
On May 18, 2011, at 12:44 AM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: BTW: face detect AF on the G1 was actually quite useful for a good bit of my people shooting. I wouldn't dis a camera for having it, but neither would I go out of my way to get it. It's much like video: nice to have, occasionally useful

Re: DPreview Review of Fuji X100

2011-05-18 Thread Steven Desjardins
OK, so neither Godfrey nor Bill was impressed with the X100. That's money back in the homeless lens jar. I'm OK with electronic viewfinders and LCDs. This is not a philosophical position, since I actually use both and I'm fine with them. If micro43 is on the horizon for anyone, EVFs are more

Re: DPreview Review of Fuji X100

2011-05-18 Thread Cotty
On 18/5/11, Godfrey DiGiorgi, discombobulated, unleashed: (I haven't read the DPR review and likely won't. Never did put much faith or find much credibility in what they have to say. But Cotty: I agree with you .. I'd much rather have an R-D1 or an M8 than an X100, even with only one lens.) I

Re: DPreview Review of Fuji X100

2011-05-18 Thread Boris Liberman
On 5/18/2011 14:42, Cotty wrote: On the latter, you turn the focus ring and it has a set and finite movement. It's instinctive. The more you use it, the better you know where closest focus is and where infinity is. It has 'end stops' - the points at which it won't turn anymore. I can relate to

Re: DPreview Review of Fuji X100

2011-05-18 Thread Cotty
On 18/5/11, Boris Liberman, discombobulated, unleashed: And I totally agree with your sentiment that focus by wire is simply different mechanical realization of the same electronic switch (such as rocker switch)... I believe it may be possible to make it closer to the good olde mechanical focus

Re: DPreview Review of Fuji X100

2011-05-18 Thread Steven Desjardins
But hey, you pays your money and you takes your choice :) A lot of money in this case. On Wed, May 18, 2011 at 7:55 AM, Cotty cotty...@mac.com wrote: On 18/5/11, Boris Liberman, discombobulated, unleashed: And I totally agree with your sentiment that focus by wire is simply different

Re: DPreview Review of Fuji X100

2011-05-18 Thread Boris Liberman
On 5/18/2011 14:55, Cotty wrote: I think what it boils down to is that you can't please all of the people all of the time. Clearly most people shoot using AF these days and it's too expensive to make lenses fully manual with an automatic override. So they made an automatic lens with a manual

Re: DPreview Review of Fuji X100

2011-05-18 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
But what on a still camera? I'm afraid I still want the manual focus on a camera like this. Maybe if they release an X100 version with interchangeable manual focus lenses (M mount? not gonna happen) then I'll look again The difference is that on a still camera, you do not do focus pulls.

Re: DPreview Review of Fuji X100

2011-05-18 Thread Cotty
On 18/5/11, Godfrey DiGiorgi, discombobulated, unleashed: But what on a still camera? I'm afraid I still want the manual focus on a camera like this. Maybe if they release an X100 version with interchangeable manual focus lenses (M mount? not gonna happen) then I'll look again The

Re: DPreview Review of Fuji X100

2011-05-18 Thread Don Guthrie
From: Cotty cotty...@mac.com To: pentax list PDML@pdml.net Subject: Re: DPreview Review of Fuji X100 Message-ID: 20110518114226.944870...@smtp.mac.com Content-Type: text/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII On 18/5/11, Godfrey DiGiorgi, discombobulated, unleashed: (I haven't read the DPR review and likely

Re: DPreview Review of Fuji X100

2011-05-18 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
It's just different to what I was once used to, to me, not unenjoyable. The Olympus focus by wire is excellent and nets a good feel IMO with their better lenses. The Ricoh 28mm isn't quite so, but like with any very wide lens I either zone focus or use spot AF, which eliminates the problem. The

Re: DPreview Review of Fuji X100

2011-05-18 Thread Cotty
On 18/5/11, Godfrey DiGiorgi, discombobulated, unleashed: It's just different to what I was once used to, to me, not unenjoyable. The Olympus focus by wire is excellent and nets a good feel IMO with their better lenses. The Ricoh 28mm isn't quite so, but like with any very wide lens I either zone

Re: DPreview Review of Fuji X100

2011-05-18 Thread David J Brooks
On Tue, May 17, 2011 at 9:40 PM, William Robb anotherdrunken...@gmail.com wrote: But it sure is pretty. Think of it as the camera equivalent of Paris Hilton. A Mark of course. Fix the grammatical errors first, at least. Darned red wine What errors Dave -- William Robb -- PDML

Re: DPreview Review of Fuji X100

2011-05-18 Thread Steven Desjardins
I have noticed on the E-P1 that it is easier to manually focus the old Tak 55 than the micro43 Lumix 20. I wondered why this is true and never considered that the 20 is focus by wire. Interesting. On Wed, May 18, 2011 at 1:26 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi gdigio...@gmail.com wrote: It's just different

RE: DPreview Review of Fuji X100

2011-05-18 Thread Bob W
Cotty burbled: The big downer for me seems to be the fact that the manual focus is 'fly- by-wire'. they use fly-by-wire on the Olympus E series cameras. It's very good indeed and I don't have any issues with it. Whether it's the same experience on the X100 remains to be seen, but it's

Re: DPreview Review of Fuji X100

2011-05-18 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
On Wed, May 18, 2011 at 11:19 AM, Steven Desjardins drd1...@gmail.com wrote: I have noticed on the E-P1 that it is easier to manually focus the old Tak 55 than the micro43 Lumix 20.  I wondered why this is true and never considered that the 20 is focus by wire. Interesting. It's also almost

Re: DPreview Review of Fuji X100

2011-05-18 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
On Wed, May 18, 2011 at 11:37 AM, Bob W p...@web-options.com wrote: ... you can buy my M8 off me when I get an M9. I give you special price my friend. Humpf! I wish I was your friend ... ]'-) -- Godfrey   godfreydigiorgi.posterous.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net

RE: DPreview Review of Fuji X100

2011-05-18 Thread Bob W
On Wed, May 18, 2011 at 11:37 AM, Bob W p...@web-options.com wrote: ... you can buy my M8 off me when I get an M9. I give you special price my friend. Humpf! I wish I was your friend ... ]'-) I give you extra special price my very good friend. But first you wrestle my friend Cotty,

Re: DPreview Review of Fuji X100

2011-05-18 Thread Cotty
On 18/5/11, Godfrey DiGiorgi, discombobulated, unleashed: With the A12 50mm it is much easier to grasp and operate the focusing ring... !) Steady boy. -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche -- http://www.cottysnaps.com _

Re: DPreview Review of Fuji X100

2011-05-18 Thread Cotty
On 18/5/11, Bob W, discombobulated, unleashed: you can buy my M8 off me when I get an M9. I give you special price my friend. Throw in a few kennel maids and the job's a gudun. -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche -- http://www.cottysnaps.com

Re: DPreview Review of Fuji X100

2011-05-18 Thread Cotty
On 18/5/11, Bob W, discombobulated, unleashed: I give you extra special price my very good friend. But first you wrestle my friend Cotty, yes? Pinot Grigio -- keyboard. cheers. -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche -- http://www.cottysnaps.com

Re: DPreview Review of Fuji X100

2011-05-18 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
On Wednesday, May 18, 2011, Bob W p...@web-options.com wrote: On Wed, May 18, 2011 at 11:37 AM, Bob W p...@web-options.com wrote:  ... you can buy my M8 off me when I get an M9. I give you special price my friend. Humpf! I wish I was your friend ... ]'-) I give you extra special price

RE: DPreview Review of Fuji X100

2011-05-18 Thread Bob W
 ... you can buy my M8 off me when I get an M9. I give you special price my friend. Humpf! I wish I was your friend ... ]'-) I give you extra special price my very good friend. But first you wrestle my friend Cotty, yes? The bigger they are ... Um ... Maybe work on

Re: DPreview Review of Fuji X100

2011-05-18 Thread John Sessoms
From: Cotty I think what it boils down to is that you can't please all of the people all of the time. True, but according to A. Lincoln, you *can* fool some of the people all of the time. - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1375 / Virus

Re: DPreview Review of Fuji X100

2011-05-18 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
 ... you can buy my M8 off me when I get an M9. I give you special price my friend. Humpf! I wish I was your friend ... ]'-) I give you extra special price my very good friend. But first you wrestle my friend Cotty, yes? The bigger they are ... Um ... Maybe work on staying

Re: DPreview Review of Fuji X100

2011-05-18 Thread Bruce Walker
On 11-05-18 5:19 PM, Bob W wrote: you one slippery customer, Mr Godfrey! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D2keIfaPHgw Oh my. Bunch of wankers. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link

Re: DPreview Review of Fuji X100

2011-05-18 Thread Steven Desjardins
I have a Zuiko 50 as well as a Lumix 45-200. I'll try these as well. On Wed, May 18, 2011 at 3:17 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi gdigio...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, May 18, 2011 at 11:19 AM, Steven Desjardins drd1...@gmail.com wrote: I have noticed on the E-P1 that it is easier to manually focus the old

Re: DPreview Review of Fuji X100

2011-05-18 Thread Steven Desjardins
Of course, the very fact that I own all this crap means that I'm not exactly hostile to these systems. I did finally sell the E-P1 and bought a refurbished E-P2. Essentially the same camera but the E-P2 accepts the excellent 1.44 MP clip on EVF. This makes it easy to MF the old lenses. It's a

DPreview Review of Fuji X100

2011-05-17 Thread Steven Desjardins
http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/fujifilmx100/ They were clearly exasperated with the combination of wonderful camera and stupid flaws. I have to admit I'm not that tempted. I would do better to buy some nice glass for the E-P1, or get the E-P2 with the EVF and then get some nice glass. I'm

Re: DPreview Review of Fuji X100

2011-05-17 Thread Boris Liberman
On 5/17/2011 15:16, Steven Desjardins wrote: http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/fujifilmx100/ They were clearly exasperated with the combination of wonderful camera and stupid flaws. I have to admit I'm not that tempted. I would do better to buy some nice glass for the E-P1, or get the E-P2 with

Re: DPreview Review of Fuji X100

2011-05-17 Thread Miserere
On 17 May 2011 08:41, Boris Liberman bori...@gmail.com wrote: Just wait, Steven, until Godfrey amazes us with his Ricoh camera and until Ricoh introduces rumored Leica M-mount module for Godfrey's camera... Boris Is Godders the *only* person who bought a Ricoh GXR? ;-) —M.

Re: DPreview Review of Fuji X100

2011-05-17 Thread Scott Loveless
On Tue, May 17, 2011 at 8:16 AM, Steven Desjardins drd1...@gmail.com wrote: http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/fujifilmx100/ They were clearly exasperated with the combination of wonderful camera and stupid flaws. They listed No face detection AF system as a Con. Is this really a selling point

Re: DPreview Review of Fuji X100

2011-05-17 Thread Boris Liberman
On Tue, May 17, 2011 at 7:11 PM, Miserere miser...@gmail.com wrote: Is Godders the *only* person who bought a Ricoh GXR?  ;-)   —M. He's the only one I know of. -- Boris -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the

Re: DPreview Review of Fuji X100

2011-05-17 Thread Miserere
On 17 May 2011 12:27, Scott Loveless sdlovel...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, May 17, 2011 at 8:16 AM, Steven Desjardins drd1...@gmail.com wrote: http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/fujifilmx100/ They were clearly exasperated with the combination of wonderful camera and stupid flaws. They listed No

Re: DPreview Review of Fuji X100

2011-05-17 Thread Boris Liberman
On Tue, May 17, 2011 at 7:42 PM, Miserere miser...@gmail.com wrote: I am not a soccer mum and I love face detection. I am not a soccer mum either and I don't care for face detection... Kind of anonymous alcoholic statement, you know... I don't think that my K-5 is doing too good with all of its

Re: DPreview Review of Fuji X100

2011-05-17 Thread Miserere
On 17 May 2011 12:50, Boris Liberman bori...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, May 17, 2011 at 7:42 PM, Miserere miser...@gmail.com wrote: I am not a soccer mum and I love face detection. I am not a soccer mum either and I don't care for face detection... Kind of anonymous alcoholic statement, you

Re: DPreview Review of Fuji X100

2011-05-17 Thread Boris Liberman
On Tue, May 17, 2011 at 7:53 PM, Miserere miser...@gmail.com wrote: I didn't find the K-5's face-detection to work as well as that on the mirrorless cameras I've used it on. I suspect LiveView AF was not at the top of the priorities list of the K-5 team. Oh! Uhmm... Time to scratch my head.

Re: DPreview Review of Fuji X100

2011-05-17 Thread Scott Loveless
On Tue, May 17, 2011 at 12:42 PM, Miserere miser...@gmail.com wrote: On 17 May 2011 12:27, Scott Loveless sdlovel...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, May 17, 2011 at 8:16 AM, Steven Desjardins drd1...@gmail.com wrote: http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/fujifilmx100/ They were clearly exasperated with

Re: DPreview Review of Fuji X100

2011-05-17 Thread Steven Desjardins
I did notice that DP said if you use the X100 like an Olde Tyme Camera it's wonderful. I will admit, the Face detection on the E-PL1 works a treat and makes parties a bit easier. Of course, I'm not a bit fan of jockeying around the focus point and at short range the focus and compose approach

Re: DPreview Review of Fuji X100

2011-05-17 Thread Jim King
Miserere wrote on Tue, 17 May 2011 09:11:43 -0700 Is Godders the *only* person who bought a Ricoh GXR? ;-) Nope, I bought one too - in large measure because of what Godfrey has said about it and after looking at the work he is doing with it. Certainly it's not a camera for the masses, and

Re: DPreview Review of Fuji X100

2011-05-17 Thread Thibouille
It is stupid and pointless as DPR can get. Plain and simple. Such niche camera should be reviewed with their niche target in mind IMO. As usual, DPR misses the boat entirely in the way they present the thing. 2011/5/17 Scott Loveless sdlovel...@gmail.com: They listed No face detection AF

Re: DPreview Review of Fuji X100

2011-05-17 Thread Cotty
On 17/5/11, Steven Desjardins, discombobulated, unleashed: http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/fujifilmx100/ They were clearly exasperated with the combination of wonderful camera and stupid flaws. I have to admit I'm not that tempted. I would do better to buy some nice glass for the E-P1, or get

Re: DPreview Review of Fuji X100

2011-05-17 Thread drd1135
My hero. ;-) -Original Message- From: Cotty cotty...@mac.com Sender: pdml-boun...@pdml.net Date: Wed, 18 May 2011 00:51:09 To: pentax listPDML@pdml.net Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: DPreview Review of Fuji X100 On 17/5/11, Steven Desjardins

Re: DPreview Review of Fuji X100

2011-05-17 Thread William Robb
On 17/05/2011 6:16 AM, Steven Desjardins wrote: http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/fujifilmx100/ They were clearly exasperated with the combination of wonderful camera and stupid flaws. I have to admit I'm not that tempted. I would do better to buy some nice glass for the E-P1, or get the E-P2

Re: DPreview Review of Fuji X100

2011-05-17 Thread Paul Stenquist
On May 17, 2011, at 9:21 PM, William Robb wrote: On 17/05/2011 6:16 AM, Steven Desjardins wrote: http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/fujifilmx100/ They were clearly exasperated with the combination of wonderful camera and stupid flaws. I have to admit I'm not that tempted. I would do better

Re: DPreview Review of Fuji X100

2011-05-17 Thread William Robb
On 17/05/2011 7:33 PM, Paul Stenquist wrote: On May 17, 2011, at 9:21 PM, William Robb wrote: On 17/05/2011 6:16 AM, Steven Desjardins wrote: http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/fujifilmx100/ They were clearly exasperated with the combination of wonderful camera and stupid flaws. I have to

Re: DPreview Review of Fuji X100

2011-05-17 Thread Larry Colen
On May 17, 2011, at 1:51 PM, Thibouille wrote: It is stupid and pointless as DPR can get. Plain and simple. Such niche camera should be reviewed with their niche target in mind IMO. As usual, DPR misses the boat entirely in the way they present the thing. One of the issues that I ran into

Re: DPreview Review of Fuji X100

2011-05-17 Thread Steven Desjardins
Bill, you should definitely write reviews. On Tue, May 17, 2011 at 9:21 PM, William Robb anotherdrunken...@gmail.com wrote: On 17/05/2011 6:16 AM, Steven Desjardins wrote: http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/fujifilmx100/ They were clearly exasperated with the combination of wonderful camera

Re: DPreview Review of Fuji X100

2011-05-17 Thread Larry Colen
On May 17, 2011, at 7:17 PM, Steven Desjardins wrote: Bill, you should definitely write reviews. I agree, he does have a way with words. If I had a bit more (any) free time, it would be tempting to start my own photo website and invite the members of PDML to write for it. On Tue, May 17,