Re: Film and cameras

2010-10-20 Thread Boris Liberman
On 10/19/2010 9:48 PM, Bob W wrote: буржуазия Жизнь господина де Мольера בורגנות ;o) You got it right, Bob... Well done! Boris -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above

RE: Film and cameras

2010-10-20 Thread Bob W
буржуазия Жизнь господина де Мольера בורגנות ;o) You got it right, Bob... Well done! of course! I hope you don't think I was criticising your English. You yourself pointed out your difficulty with a very complex sentence construction, and I offered a version which is correct,

Re: Film and cameras

2010-10-20 Thread Boris Liberman
Of course not. I know that my English is easily recognized as that of a foreign man and I welcome any correction as far as I can understand it, adopt it and use it. I even wrote specific request for corrections on the front page of my blog, but likely because my blog is not read by too many

Re: Film and cameras

2010-10-20 Thread Collin Brendemuehl
Cesar has a MZ-S? Snake-skinned? :-) Sincerely, Collin Brendemuehl He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain what he cannot lose -- Jim Elliott -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please

Re: Film and cameras

2010-10-20 Thread Jerry in Arizona
Fear not, Boris.  Even native born speakers here are known to butcher the language.  I think you do very well.  Jerry Subject: Re: Film and cameras Message-ID: 4cbeb1c5.7050...@gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Of course not. I know that my English is easily

RE: Film and cameras

2010-10-20 Thread Bob W
Actually Boris your English is very ambitious and you can generally put together complex sentences better than perhaps the majority of native English speakers. Bob Of course not. I know that my English is easily recognized as that of a foreign man and I welcome any correction as far as I

Re: Film and cameras

2010-10-20 Thread P. J. Alling
Better than the average on this list, but then Brooks tends to drag that down a bit. On 10/20/2010 2:13 PM, Bob W wrote: Actually Boris your English is very ambitious and you can generally put together complex sentences better than perhaps the majority of native English speakers. Bob Of

Re: Film and cameras

2010-10-20 Thread Steven Desjardins
Hell, my typing alone can do that. On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 11:11 AM, Jerry in Arizona glewis4...@yahoo.com wrote: Fear not, Boris.  Even native born speakers here are known to butcher the language.  I think you do very well. Jerry Subject: Re: Film and cameras Message-ID: 4cbeb1c5.7050

Re: Film and cameras

2010-10-20 Thread Boris Liberman
On 10/21/2010 3:14 AM, P. J. Alling wrote: Better than the average on this list, but then Brooks tends to drag that down a bit. On 10/20/2010 2:13 PM, Bob W wrote: Actually Boris your English is very ambitious and you can generally put together complex sentences better than perhaps the

Re: Film and cameras

2010-10-19 Thread David Mann
On Oct 19, 2010, at 5:07 AM, Steven Desjardins wrote: The big ergonomic plus of the MZ-S for me was the the way that flat body-grip combo fit in my hand. I suppose that is the same thing Bob was alluding to. I don't think I've ever held an MZ-S but I did find the Z-1p handled exceptionally

Re: Film and cameras

2010-10-19 Thread Bob Sullivan
Dave, The MZ-S with battery grip has the curves of a Ferrarri versus the Z-1p with battery and grip strap has the lines of a Ford. Regards, Bob S. On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 2:55 AM, David Mann d...@multisport.net.nz wrote: On Oct 19, 2010, at 5:07 AM, Steven Desjardins wrote: The big ergonomic

Re: Film and cameras

2010-10-19 Thread Boris Liberman
On 10/19/2010 4:12 PM, Bob Sullivan wrote: Dave, The MZ-S with battery grip has the curves of a Ferrarri versus the Z-1p with battery and grip strap has the lines of a Ford. Regards, Bob S. Bob, personally I don't care about curves of which car my camera is resebmlant of... Gosh, what a

RE: Film and cameras

2010-10-19 Thread Bob W
On 10/19/2010 4:12 PM, Bob Sullivan wrote: Dave, The MZ-S with battery grip has the curves of a Ferrarri versus the Z-1p with battery and grip strap has the lines of a Ford. Regards, Bob S. Bob, personally I don't care about curves of which car my camera is resebmlant of... You

Re: Film and cameras

2010-10-19 Thread Larry Colen
On Oct 19, 2010, at 9:34 AM, Bob W wrote: On 10/19/2010 4:12 PM, Bob Sullivan wrote: Dave, The MZ-S with battery grip has the curves of a Ferrarri versus the Z-1p with battery and grip strap has the lines of a Ford. Regards, Bob S. Bob, personally I don't care about curves of which car

Re: Film and cameras

2010-10-19 Thread Ken Waller
Kenneth Waller http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller - Original Message - From: Bob Sullivan rf.sulli...@gmail.com Subject: Re: Film and cameras Dave, The MZ-S with battery grip has the curves of a Ferrarri versus the Z-1p with battery and grip strap has the lines

Re: Re: Film and cameras

2010-10-19 Thread Jens
I like to think of the MZ-S as the last Pentax film camera, even though it wasn´t really. I still use my MZ-S once in a while. I shot 10 films this summer. It's a very nice camera. Lovely balanced too. I sold my first one, but to finance myd *ist D. But I ended up regretting this nad bought

RE: Film and cameras

2010-10-19 Thread Bob W
Bob, personally I don't care about curves of which car my camera is resebmlant of... You write like a fine bourgeois gentleman, Boris! MAÎTRE DE PHILOSOPHIE.- On les peut mettre premièrement comme vous avez dit: Belle Marquise, vos beaux yeux me font mourir d'amour. Ou bien:

Re: Film and cameras

2010-10-19 Thread Doug Franklin
On 2010-10-19 15:29, Jens wrote: I like to think of the MZ-S as the last Pentax film camera, even though it wasn´t really. I still use my MZ-S once in a while. I shot 10 films this summer. It's a very nice camera. Lovely balanced too. I sold my first one, but to finance myd *ist D. But I

Re: Film and cameras

2010-10-19 Thread Cesar Matamoros II
I do own an MZ-S, my second most favorite camera - next to the LX :-) - the PZ1-P I have is the one that used to belong to Hugh Morton. I got it at Grandfather Mountain after his death... Talking about camera feel and such... Funny thing is that when the PZ1-P came out I ended up at a camera

Re: Film and cameras

2010-10-18 Thread Igor Roshchin
the closest, followed by the PZ-1p). The funny thing is that the K-7 is one camera I love the ergonomics on. IMHO it's FAR better than any of the Pentax 35mm film cameras (in fact it handles very similarly to the Maxxum 7, which it also distinctly resembles). -Adam -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail

Re: Film and cameras

2010-10-18 Thread John Francis
, followed by the PZ-1p). The funny thing is that the K-7 is one camera I love the ergonomics on. IMHO it's FAR better than any of the Pentax 35mm film cameras (in fact it handles very similarly to the Maxxum 7, which it also distinctly resembles). -Adam -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List

Re: Film and cameras

2010-10-18 Thread Steven Desjardins
is that the K-7 is one camera I love the ergonomics on. IMHO it's FAR better than any of the Pentax 35mm film cameras (in fact it handles very similarly to the Maxxum 7, which it also distinctly resembles). -Adam -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo

Re: Film and cameras

2010-10-18 Thread Adam Maas
reason I've just never really gelled with the Pentax 35mm film camera's (the LX came the closest, followed by the PZ-1p). The funny thing is that the K-7 is one camera I love the ergonomics on. IMHO it's FAR better than any of the Pentax 35mm film cameras (in fact it handles very similarly

Re: Film and cameras

2010-10-18 Thread John Francis
I've just never really gelled with the Pentax 35mm film camera's (the LX came the closest, followed by the PZ-1p). The funny thing is that the K-7 is one camera I love the ergonomics on. IMHO it's FAR better than any of the Pentax 35mm film cameras (in fact it handles very similarly

Re: Film and cameras

2010-10-18 Thread P. J. Alling
the closest, followed by the PZ-1p). The funny thing is that the K-7 is one camera I love the ergonomics on. IMHO it's FAR better than any of the Pentax 35mm film cameras (in fact it handles very similarly to the Maxxum 7, which it also distinctly resembles). -Adam -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List

Re: Film and cameras

2010-10-18 Thread Steven Desjardins
7, not the MZ-S. For some reason I've just never really gelled with the Pentax 35mm film camera's (the LX came the closest, followed by the PZ-1p). The funny thing is that the K-7 is one camera I love the ergonomics on. IMHO it's FAR better than any of the Pentax 35mm film cameras

Re: Film and cameras

2010-10-18 Thread John Francis
On Mon, Oct 18, 2010 at 01:28:41PM -0400, Steven Desjardins wrote: Sensitivity wasn't (a) problem with the MZ-S ;-) I did actually change the sensitivity on my MZ-S a couple of times. (Well, more than a couple of times in total, but rarely mid-roll). The auto film loading was good enough

Re: Film and cameras

2010-10-17 Thread Boris Liberman
On 10/17/2010 5:37 AM, Bob Sullivan wrote: That film camera, how it feels, how it fits the hand, how it sounds...Wow. I really miss all that. I should say that certain Pentax MX camera that I have now amazes me just as well. It has all the features necessary and nothing redundant. It screams

Re: Film and cameras

2010-10-17 Thread Collin Brendemuehl
The MZ-S with battery grip virtually lept into my hand. In the mid 80s (way, way back) I was doing some retail work. My principle for selling cameras was to first have the person hold the cameras and pick the one that felt most comfortable. Strange as it may sound, people seemed to gravitate

Re: Film and cameras

2010-10-17 Thread drd1135
To: PDMLpdml@pdml.net Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Film and cameras Like many of you, I have film in the freezer. I've put some in cameras to see if I could use a bit up. Today, two cameras rode with me in my van, the K-7 and the MZ-S, both on the floor behind me. I

Re: Film and cameras

2010-10-17 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
I discovered the MZ-S a couple of years after I'd already decided that film was dead. It was a lovely design and might have held me in film for another couple of years, but it was already too late to get one and enjoy it. I tried that with an MX and sold it after a year and a half having only put

Re: Film and cameras

2010-10-17 Thread Adam Maas
For me it's the Maxxum 7, not the MZ-S. For some reason I've just never really gelled with the Pentax 35mm film camera's (the LX came the closest, followed by the PZ-1p). The funny thing is that the K-7 is one camera I love the ergonomics on. IMHO it's FAR better than any of the Pentax 35mm film

Re: Film and cameras

2010-10-17 Thread John Francis
On Sun, Oct 17, 2010 at 01:08:48PM +, drd1...@gmail.com wrote: The funny thing is that the MZ-S was supposed to be a digital camera. No - the MZ-S was supposed to be the top-of-the-MZ-line Pentax film body. I presume you're thinking of the first planned Pentax digital camera (often referred

Re: Film and cameras

2010-10-17 Thread Collin Brendemuehl
John, I still shoot film, but not the little stuff. Except this weekend I decided to shoot some PanF and got my son's Super Program. Just to compare things. And now I am off to the darkroom. Sincerely, Collin Brendemuehl He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain what he cannot

Re: Film and cameras

2010-10-17 Thread Steven Desjardins
That's what I meant, although I did say it badly. I meant we could have had the same ergonomics in both cameras since the MZ-S and grip was basis the Pentax digital camera with the Phillips 6 MP FF sensor. Here are lots of pics fro those who weren't looking at Pentax 9 years ago: According to

Re: Film and cameras

2010-10-17 Thread Steven Desjardins
BTW, I always wondered how things might have gone if that sensor hadn't been such a bust (or they had chosen another sensor) and this camera had been produced. I can hardly blame Pentax for not making it since the company that went ahead with their version (Contax) has a horrible failure on their

Re: Film and cameras

2010-10-17 Thread Rick Womer
Yes and no... If the sensor had been any good, Pentax would have been way ahead with a 24x36 digital SLR right from the start. BUT... Let's face it, the user interface of the MZ-S isn't nearly as good as that of the PZ-1, 1p, ist D, K10, etc. For some reason they had forgotten about the

Re: Film and cameras

2010-10-17 Thread Steven Desjardins
This (the MZ-D) was when DSLRs cost $5000-6000. When the *istD came out, it was about $1500 IIRC. I think Pentax may have made a real impact if their DSLR had cost $2500, but that price was probably out of the question with that sensor. I can't remember what other sensors were out then. Kodak?

Film and cameras

2010-10-16 Thread Bob Sullivan
Like many of you, I have film in the freezer. I've put some in cameras to see if I could use a bit up. Today, two cameras rode with me in my van, the K-7 and the MZ-S, both on the floor behind me. I could reach around and grab either one. What surprised me was the feel of the film camera. The K-7

Re: Film and cameras

2010-10-16 Thread Rob Studdert
On 17 October 2010 14:37, Bob Sullivan rf.sulli...@gmail.com wrote: That film camera, how it feels, how it fits the hand, how it sounds...Wow. I really miss all that. Regards,  Bob S. When Igor was out I shot with both my Leica M4 and LX, by the end of the day the M4 felt quite comfortable

Re: Film and cameras

2010-10-16 Thread Walter Gilbert
This is just cruel. -- Walt On 10/16/2010 10:41 PM, Rob Studdert wrote: On 17 October 2010 14:37, Bob Sullivanrf.sulli...@gmail.com wrote: That film camera, how it feels, how it fits the hand, how it sounds...Wow. I really miss all that. Regards, Bob S. When Igor was out I shot with

Re: Film and cameras

2010-10-16 Thread Nick Wright
Film is just something different. I tried to go back to digital, I just couldn't ... didn't make me feel the same way film does. That MZ-S, I always wanted one of those. Surprised now to find them still going for $800-900. Can't believe they've held their value that well. ~Nick

OT: English 120 film folding cameras

2006-09-24 Thread Jens Bladt
Anyone has experiences with Englis folders like Ensign or Agifold? Regards Jens Bladt http://www.jensbladt.dk -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.12.8/455 - Release Date: 09/22/2006 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List

Re: OT: English 120 film folding cameras

2006-09-24 Thread Bob Shell
On Sep 24, 2006, at 1:29 PM, Jens Bladt wrote: Anyone has experiences with Englis folders like Ensign or Agifold? Regards Back in my early teens my first camera was a folding Ensign. I believe it used 120 film. I bought it at a Goodwill store for fifty cents. It was just like new in