Re: On behalf of William Robb

2010-11-05 Thread eckinator
2010/11/5 John Sessoms jsessoms...@nc.rr.com: He then left in a snit. Was that a 2 or 4 door snit? Hatch-back I thought, but I really wasn't paying that much attention. no use re-hatching the matter over and over anyway =) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net

Re: On behalf of William Robb

2010-11-05 Thread Ken Waller
Kenneth Waller http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller - Original Message - From: John Sessoms jsessoms...@nc.rr.com Subject: Re: On behalf of William Robb From: Ken Waller From: John Sessoms jsessoms...@nc.rr.com From: Tom C It was Godfrey's consititutional right

Re: On behalf of William Robb

2010-11-05 Thread eckinator
2010/11/5 Ken Waller kwal...@peoplepc.com: Was that a 2 or 4 door snit? Hatch-back I thought, but I really wasn't paying that much attention. It was a new 1 door model that only swung one way. a BMW with the door at the rear? the Arsetta? -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net

Re: On behalf of William Robb

2010-11-05 Thread Ken Waller
Kenneth Waller http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller - Original Message - From: eckinator eckina...@gmail.com Subject: Re: On behalf of William Robb 2010/11/5 Ken Waller kwal...@peoplepc.com: Was that a 2 or 4 door snit? Hatch-back I thought, but I really wasn't

Re: On behalf of William Robb

2010-11-05 Thread P. J. Alling
On 11/3/2010 7:52 AM, John Sessoms wrote: From: Boris Liberman On 11/3/2010 1:09 PM, John Sessoms wrote: J. Random Foreigner's country can do what they will with him. They're going to anyway. The laws of the list server's host nation apply to the list server itself. Does this highly

Re: On behalf of William Robb

2010-11-05 Thread P. J. Alling
On 11/2/2010 4:27 PM, Larry Colen wrote: On Nov 2, 2010, at 10:55 AM, David J Brooks wrote: If the PDML were a school bus, you'd all be sitting up front right now.:-) If the PDML were a school bus, it would be one of the short ones. -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com sent from i4est So you're

Re: On behalf of William Robb

2010-11-05 Thread P. J. Alling
No, the space aliens, they're already among us... On 11/2/2010 3:18 PM, eckinator wrote: 2010/11/2 Jeffery Smithjsmith...@bellsouth.net: Hey! Everyone should pack heat! To protect ourselves against let me guess - people packing heat? oh yeah that makes sense =) -- His lack of

Re: On behalf of William Robb

2010-11-05 Thread P. J. Alling
: Re: On behalf of William Robb To: Pentax-Discuss Mail Listpdml@pdml.net Date: Tuesday, November 2, 2010, 10:16 AM I used the term constitution loosely, and in direct response to the prior poster that used the term, and my post was largely tongue in cheek. A bit bossy? On Tue, Nov 2, 2010 at 12

Re: On behalf of William Robb

2010-11-05 Thread Keith Whaley
eckinator wrote: 2010/11/5 Ken Waller kwal...@peoplepc.com: Was that a 2 or 4 door snit? Hatch-back I thought, but I really wasn't paying that much attention. It was a new 1 door model that only swung one way. a BMW with the door at the rear? the Arsetta? Now, THAT’s clever! :-D

Re: On behalf of William Robb

2010-11-04 Thread mike wilson
Cotty wrote: Pity Bill isn't around, I'm filming at Auschwitz on Tuesday - I could really get my chance to justify the holocaust... Give me a shout if you need any contacts over there. At least one list memeber in Krakow, also. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net

Re: On behalf of William Robb

2010-11-04 Thread Cotty
On 4/11/10, mike wilson, discombobulated, unleashed: Give me a shout if you need any contacts over there. At least one list memeber in Krakow, also. Thanks. On a coach straight from Krakow to Auschwitz and then return some hours later. 5am flight from Gatwick, so hotel night before and next

Re: On behalf of William Robb

2010-11-04 Thread Ken Waller
Kenneth Waller http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller - Original Message - From: John Francis jo...@panix.com Subject: Re: On behalf of William Robb On Tue, Nov 02, 2010 at 12:12:50PM -0400, Scott Loveless wrote: On Tue, Nov 2, 2010 at 12:05 PM, eckinator eckina

Re: On behalf of William Robb

2010-11-04 Thread Ken Waller
Kenneth Waller http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller - Original Message - From: John Sessoms jsessoms...@nc.rr.com Subject: Re: On behalf of William Robb From: Tom C It was Godfrey's consititutional right to act in such a way to provoke Bill, who exercised his

Re: On behalf of William Robb

2010-11-04 Thread eckinator
2010/11/5 Ken Waller kwal...@peoplepc.com: Was that a 2 or 4 door snit? I believe it was a snitchback -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.

Re: On behalf of William Robb

2010-11-04 Thread John Sessoms
From: Ken Waller From: John Sessoms jsessoms...@nc.rr.com From: Tom C It was Godfrey's consititutional right to act in such a way to provoke Bill, who exercised his constititional right to use a word that some found offensive, who then tried to suppress that constitutional right. I

Re: On behalf of William Robb

2010-11-03 Thread Cotty
Pity Bill isn't around, I'm filming at Auschwitz on Tuesday - I could really get my chance to justify the holocaust... -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche -- http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail

Re: On behalf of William Robb

2010-11-03 Thread Larry Colen
On Nov 3, 2010, at 1:27 AM, Cotty wrote: Pity Bill isn't around, I'm filming at Auschwitz on Tuesday - I could really get my chance to justify the holocaust... WTF? While I don't know what the connection is, I'm pretty certain that you were just trying to be shockingly offensive, could you

Re: On behalf of William Robb

2010-11-03 Thread Boris Liberman
On 11/3/2010 10:40 AM, Larry Colen wrote: Besides, I'm the annoying jewboy on the list, not Bill. I thought the word was kike... Boris -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly

Re: On behalf of William Robb

2010-11-03 Thread John Sessoms
From: Charles Robinson On Nov 2, 2010, at 8:15, Tom C wrote: He called Godfrey a faggot. That made Godfrey happy, but it made a lot of other list members angry because they think Bill shouldn't call Godfrey that. So they hyperventilated and got all over Bill's case in some idiotic guise of

Re: On behalf of William Robb

2010-11-03 Thread John Sessoms
From: Tom C It was Godfrey's consititutional right to act in such a way to provoke Bill, who exercised his constititional right to use a word that some found offensive, who then tried to suppress that constitutional right. I think you go too far characterizing it as tried to suppress. He

Re: On behalf of William Robb

2010-11-03 Thread John Sessoms
From: Charles Robinson On Nov 2, 2010, at 10:52, Jeffery Smith wrote: Religion, politics, sexual orientation, and race are not good topics for any forum, and generally ignite a purposeless day or two of hostility. Inasmuch that they have nothing to do with Pentax or photography, they are best

Re: On behalf of William Robb

2010-11-03 Thread John Sessoms
From: Tim ?sleby Pardon me for pointing at the obviouis. But this aint USA, it is PDML, a multicultural email list. So. There is no THE Constitution here, at least not as I am aware off. For the record: I'm not atacking the constitution. You Tom, and others may, may practise the constitution as

Re: On behalf of William Robb

2010-11-03 Thread frank theriault
On Wed, Nov 3, 2010 at 4:27 AM, Cotty cotty...@mac.com wrote: Pity Bill isn't around, I'm filming at Auschwitz on Tuesday - I could really get my chance to justify the holocaust... Wow. That one really went over my head. I really don't understand what you're getting at. Maybe it's just as

Re: On behalf of William Robb

2010-11-03 Thread John Sessoms
From: Jack Davis The constitution notwithstanding, let's hear it for servility. Do you perhaps mean civility? -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the

Re: On behalf of William Robb

2010-11-03 Thread John Sessoms
From: Scott Loveless I guess a more applicable question might be if J. Random Foreigner writes something that could be considered illegal speech in his own country, but sends it to a list server in a country where his words would be protected, who's laws apply? Or rather, who's laws should

Re: On behalf of William Robb

2010-11-03 Thread Boris Liberman
On 11/3/2010 1:09 PM, John Sessoms wrote: J. Random Foreigner's country can do what they will with him. They're going to anyway. The laws of the list server's host nation apply to the list server itself. Does this highly disputable matter really belong to the open discussion on the list? May

Re: On behalf of William Robb

2010-11-03 Thread Doug Franklin
On 2010-11-03 4:40, Larry Colen wrote: On the subject of bigotry, here is George Takei's commentary on Clint McCance: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UACK93xF-FE Larry the Cable Guy Now I don't care who you are, that's funny! /Larry the Cable Guy -- Thanks, DougF (KG4LMZ) -- PDML

Re: On behalf of William Robb

2010-11-03 Thread John Sessoms
From: Boris Liberman On 11/3/2010 1:09 PM, John Sessoms wrote: J. Random Foreigner's country can do what they will with him. They're going to anyway. The laws of the list server's host nation apply to the list server itself. Does this highly disputable matter really belong to the open

Re: On behalf of William Robb

2010-11-03 Thread Boris Liberman
On 11/3/2010 2:52 PM, John Sessoms wrote: I don't understand what's disputable about it? United States law says that for a list server physically located within the borders of the U.S., the U.S. government cannot prosecute the listmiester for something a list member posts on the list. Under

Re: On behalf of William Robb

2010-11-03 Thread Jeffery Smith
Now, that's the third bladder-like object used to describe someone that I have seen on this forum in the past week. (1) [pompous] gas bag (2) whoopee cushion (3) douche bag Amy I missing any? g Jeffery On Nov 3, 2010, at 7:48 AM, Doug Franklin wrote: On 2010-11-03 4:40, Larry Colen

Re: On behalf of William Robb

2010-11-03 Thread Jeffery Smith
Try extraditing someone from Canada to the US. It's a PITA. We had a hell of a time getting Charles Ng to come home. Jeffery On Nov 3, 2010, at 7:58 AM, Boris Liberman wrote: Oh, it is then that you and I were looking at it from different angles. I wasn't worried about Doug, as he was not

Re: On behalf of William Robb

2010-11-03 Thread Boris Liberman
On 11/3/2010 3:05 PM, Jeffery Smith wrote: Try extraditing someone from Canada to the US. It's a PITA. We had a hell of a time getting Charles Ng to come home. Jeffery Well, I really don't want to get any deeper into this other than repeating myself that either we have to have some kind of

Re: On behalf of William Robb

2010-11-03 Thread Jeffery Smith
I agree that ad hominem attacks should be strongly discouraged. If someone wishes to attack another personally, he should do it off-list. As they say in saloons, take it outside, guys. When ad hominem attacks happen on-list, they invariably disrupt the forum and the function for which this list

Re: On behalf of William Robb

2010-11-03 Thread Jack Davis
There are those who don't want to perform without an audience. Jack --- On Wed, 11/3/10, Jeffery Smith jsmith...@bellsouth.net wrote: From: Jeffery Smith jsmith...@bellsouth.net Subject: Re: On behalf of William Robb To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Date: Wednesday, November 3

Re: On behalf of William Robb

2010-11-03 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
On Wed, Nov 3, 2010 at 6:04 AM, Jeffery Smith jsmith...@bellsouth.net wrote: Now, that's the third bladder-like object used to describe someone that I have seen on this forum in the past week. (1) [pompous] gas bag (2) whoopee cushion (3) douche bag Amy I missing any? g It's just a

Re: On behalf of William Robb

2010-11-03 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
On Nov 2, 2010, at 8:15, Tom C wrote: ... He called Godfrey a faggot. ... Let's put this long stream of nonsense together with some shred of accuracy in the facts of how it developed: WR objected to the statement wherein I opined that I was uninterested in meaningless brand bashing posing as

Re: On behalf of William Robb

2010-11-03 Thread Bob Sullivan
Godfrey, This recap is just stiring the pot. Be a grown-up and let it pass. Regards, Bob S. On Wed, Nov 3, 2010 at 11:46 AM, Godfrey DiGiorgi gdigio...@gmail.com wrote: On Nov 2, 2010, at 8:15, Tom C wrote: ... He called Godfrey a faggot. ... Let's put this long stream of nonsense together

Re: On behalf of William Robb

2010-11-03 Thread Boris Liberman
Replying off list... Let's put this long stream of nonsense together with some shred of accuracy in the facts of how it developed: -- Boris -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link

Re: On behalf of William Robb

2010-11-03 Thread Cotty
On 3/11/10, Larry Colen, discombobulated, unleashed: While I don't know what the connection is, I'm pretty certain that you were just trying to be shockingly offensive, could you please explain it to me so that I'll understand what I'm supposed to be offended at? Certainly. Some months ago

Re: On behalf of William Robb

2010-11-03 Thread Cotty
On 3/11/10, Jeffery Smith, discombobulated, unleashed: When ad hominem attacks happen on-list, they invariably disrupt the forum and the function for which this list was made (discussion of Pentax photography). Why Jeffery (for it is you) is this your way of saying - stay on topic? in awe --

Re: On behalf of William Robb

2010-11-03 Thread Cotty
On 3/11/10, Bob Sullivan, discombobulated, unleashed: This recap is just stiring the pot. Be a grown-up and let it pass. Be fair - facts are sometimes glossed over but G has every right to set the record straight ? -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche

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2010-11-03 Thread Walter Gilbert
That's why I filtered Hitler. On 11/3/2010 1:31 PM, Cotty wrote: Congratulations, you've just justified the holocaust. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow

Re: On behalf of William Robb

2010-11-03 Thread Larry Colen
On Nov 3, 2010, at 6:38 AM, Jeffery Smith wrote: I agree that ad hominem attacks should be strongly discouraged. If someone wishes to attack another personally, he should do it off-list. As they say in saloons, take it outside, guys. When ad hominem attacks happen on-list, they invariably

Re: On behalf of William Robb

2010-11-03 Thread Cotty
On 3/11/10, Larry Colen, discombobulated, unleashed: As this interminable thread is such a perfect example of. And that you are being forced to read --- ;-) -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche -- http://www.cottysnaps.com

RE: On behalf of William Robb

2010-11-03 Thread Bob W
Another country may choose to prosecute its own citizens for what they post on this list or may choose to block access to the list within their own borders, but they can't do anything to the listmiester here in the U.S. they could send a team of ninja cyclists to ride really, really slowly

RE: On behalf of William Robb

2010-11-03 Thread Bob W
Pity Bill isn't around, I'm filming at Auschwitz on Tuesday - that should be a barrel of laughs. Is that for Remembrance Day? I could really get my chance to justify the holocaust... -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to

Re: On behalf of William Robb

2010-11-03 Thread Cotty Cottington
On Wed, Nov 3, 2010 at 3:05 PM, Bob W p...@web-options.com wrote: Another country may choose to prosecute its own citizens for what they post on this list or may choose to block access to the list within their own borders, but they can't do anything to the listmiester here in the U.S.

Re: On behalf of William Robb

2010-11-03 Thread Bob Sullivan
And 'set the record straight' again and again and again... Enough already. Bob S. On Wed, Nov 3, 2010 at 1:39 PM, Cotty cotty...@mac.com wrote: On 3/11/10, Bob Sullivan, discombobulated, unleashed: This recap is just stiring the pot. Be a grown-up and let it pass. Be fair - facts are

Re: On behalf of William Robb

2010-11-03 Thread Cotty
On 3/11/10, Bob W, discombobulated, unleashed: that should be a barrel of laughs. Is that for Remembrance Day? Party of 200 school children visiting in the lead up to same. -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche -- http://www.cottysnaps.com

Re: On behalf of William Robb

2010-11-03 Thread Cotty
On 3/11/10, Cotty Cottington, discombobulated, unleashed: I'm on it. Har! The doppleganger makes an appearance! -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche -- http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List

Re: On behalf of William Robb

2010-11-03 Thread eckinator
2010/11/3 Bob Sullivan rf.sulli...@gmail.com: Godfrey, This recap is just stiring the pot. Be a grown-up and let it pass. Regards,  Bob S. we've all had our say in this so why not? and I doubt he'll stir the pot much because this discussion wasn't about him all that much. it was about

RE: On behalf of William Robb

2010-11-03 Thread Bob W
that should be a barrel of laughs. Is that for Remembrance Day? Party of 200 school children visiting in the lead up to same. that should be very interesting indeed. Although you may need a waterproof housing for your camera. B -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net

Re: On behalf of William Robb

2010-11-03 Thread Cotty
On 3/11/10, Bob W, discombobulated, unleashed: that should be very interesting indeed. Although you may need a waterproof housing for your camera. Indeed. I filmed a holocaust survivor giving a talk to teenagers once and there wasn't a dry eye in the house, including mine. -- Cheers, Cotty

Re: On behalf of William Robb

2010-11-02 Thread wendy beard
: On behalf of William Robb I have to admit, I am very embarrassed by that outburst from me the other day. There were many ways I could have put my thoughts forward without being offensive. For the offence to the list, I apologize. For the insult directed towards Godfrey, I apologize most sincerely

Re: On behalf of William Robb

2010-11-02 Thread Tom C
www.lovebytes.com.au m: 0458 006 740 -Original Message- From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Cotty Sent: Tuesday, 26 October 2010 6:37 AM To: pentax list Subject: Re: On behalf of William Robb I have to admit, I am very embarrassed by that outburst

Re: On behalf of William Robb

2010-11-02 Thread Charles Robinson
On Nov 2, 2010, at 8:15, Tom C wrote: He called Godfrey a faggot. That made Godfrey happy, but it made a lot of other list members angry because they think Bill shouldn't call Godfrey that. So they hyperventilated and got all over Bill's case in some idiotic guise of 'moral' enlightement and

Re: On behalf of William Robb

2010-11-02 Thread Tom C
IMO, Godfrey was being his annoying arrogant self and irritated Bill. It's cause and effect. If Godfrey provoked it, and he didn't care about the response, and moreover accepted the acclaimation, then I don't quite see why anyone else should or did. On Tue, Nov 2, 2010 at 9:49 AM, Charles

Re: On behalf of William Robb

2010-11-02 Thread Charles Robinson
On Nov 2, 2010, at 8:59, Tom C wrote: IMO, Godfrey was being his annoying arrogant self and irritated Bill. It's cause and effect. If Godfrey provoked it, and he didn't care about the response, and moreover accepted the acclaimation, then I don't quite see why anyone else should or did.

Re: On behalf of William Robb

2010-11-02 Thread Scott Loveless
On Tue, Nov 2, 2010 at 9:59 AM, Tom C caka...@gmail.com wrote: IMO, Godfrey was being his annoying arrogant self and irritated Bill. It's cause and effect. If Godfrey provoked it, and he didn't care about the response, and moreover accepted the acclaimation, then I don't quite see why anyone

Re: On behalf of William Robb

2010-11-02 Thread Tom C
LOL... that probably sums it up. On Tue, Nov 2, 2010 at 10:43 AM, Scott Loveless sdlovel...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Nov 2, 2010 at 9:59 AM, Tom C caka...@gmail.com wrote: IMO, Godfrey was being his annoying arrogant self and irritated Bill. It's cause and effect. If Godfrey provoked it, and

Re: On behalf of William Robb

2010-11-02 Thread Steven Desjardins
I don't understand why people think it is their right to use the the word faggot and then get all hurt when someone exercises their right to call them a jerk. Bill wasn't banned, he left on his own. I wish he had stayed because I often liked what he had to say. But you can't call people names

Re: On behalf of William Robb

2010-11-02 Thread Jeffery Smith
Because it was gratuitously offensive? Because its sole purpose was to offend? If Robb wanted to call him that, he could have done it offlist, but wanted an audience to see it. The audience saw it. If this list were entirely composed of racist, sexist, homophobic members, then that sort have

Re: On behalf of William Robb

2010-11-02 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
To: pentax list Subject: Re: On behalf of William Robb I have to admit, I am very embarrassed by that outburst from me the other day. There were many ways I could have put my thoughts forward without being offensive. For the offence to the list, I apologize. For the insult directed towards Godfrey, I

Re: On behalf of William Robb

2010-11-02 Thread Jeffery Smith
Steve, this wasn't in response to your post. It was in response to the previous ones that saw no fault in the ft post. Our two posts went out at about the same time. Jeffery On Nov 2, 2010, at 9:45 AM, Jeffery Smith wrote: Because it was gratuitously offensive? Because its sole purpose

Re: On behalf of William Robb

2010-11-02 Thread Tom C
I'm not condoning name-calling or derision of any list member, however I didn't find it as gratutiously offensive as you apparently did, and the one called that is certainly public about it. There's been plenty of other deriding comments on the list in the past, including regarding people with

Re: On behalf of William Robb

2010-11-02 Thread Jeffery Smith
Religion, politics, sexual orientation, and race are not good topics for any forum, and generally ignite a purposeless day or two of hostility. Inasmuch that they have nothing to do with Pentax or photography, they are best avoided. On the other end of the spectrum, there are photography forums

Re: On behalf of William Robb

2010-11-02 Thread eckinator
2010/11/2 Tom C caka...@gmail.com: Seems a double standard exists. instead you /could/ - note: not /should/ - be glad that someone cares. by the way the idiots who care are the same people who are respecting your exercise of your constitutional right to call them idiots as a matter of opinion

Re: On behalf of William Robb

2010-11-02 Thread Scott Loveless
On Tue, Nov 2, 2010 at 12:05 PM, eckinator eckina...@gmail.com wrote: 2010/11/2 Tom C caka...@gmail.com: Seems a double standard exists. instead you /could/ - note: not /should/ -  be glad that someone cares. by the way the idiots who care are the same people who are respecting your

Re: On behalf of William Robb

2010-11-02 Thread Charles Robinson
On Nov 2, 2010, at 10:52, Jeffery Smith wrote: Religion, politics, sexual orientation, and race are not good topics for any forum, and generally ignite a purposeless day or two of hostility. Inasmuch that they have nothing to do with Pentax or photography, they are best avoided. You

Re: On behalf of William Robb

2010-11-02 Thread Tom C
It was Godfrey's consititutional right to act in such a way to provoke Bill, who exercised his constititional right to use a word that some found offensive, who then tried to suppress that constitutional right. On Tue, Nov 2, 2010 at 12:05 PM, eckinator eckina...@gmail.com wrote: 2010/11/2 Tom C

Re: On behalf of William Robb

2010-11-02 Thread CheekyGeek
I have no dog in this fight (apologies to PETA for the expression) but don't confuse Constitutional Rights with freedom from consequences or accountability for what one says when exercising such rights. Darren Addy Kearney, Nebraska -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net

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2010-11-02 Thread Scott Loveless
On Tue, Nov 2, 2010 at 12:31 PM, CheekyGeek cheekyg...@gmail.com wrote: I have no dog in this fight (apologies to PETA for the expression) but don't confuse Constitutional Rights with freedom from consequences or accountability for what one says when exercising such rights. I'm offended that

Re: On behalf of William Robb

2010-11-02 Thread John Francis
On Tue, Nov 02, 2010 at 12:12:50PM -0400, Scott Loveless wrote: On Tue, Nov 2, 2010 at 12:05 PM, eckinator eckina...@gmail.com wrote: 2010/11/2 Tom C caka...@gmail.com: Seems a double standard exists. instead you /could/ - note: not /should/ - ?be glad that someone cares. by the way

Re: On behalf of William Robb

2010-11-02 Thread Scott Loveless
On Tue, Nov 2, 2010 at 12:34 PM, John Francis jo...@panix.com wrote: On Tue, Nov 02, 2010 at 12:12:50PM -0400, Scott Loveless wrote: On Tue, Nov 2, 2010 at 12:05 PM, eckinator eckina...@gmail.com wrote: 2010/11/2 Tom C caka...@gmail.com: Seems a double standard exists. instead you

Re: On behalf of William Robb

2010-11-02 Thread Jeffery Smith
Hey! Everyone should pack heat! To protect ourselves against Oh, never mind. Jeffery On Nov 2, 2010, at 11:18 AM, Charles Robinson wrote: On Nov 2, 2010, at 10:52, Jeffery Smith wrote: Religion, politics, sexual orientation, and race are not good topics for any forum, and generally

Re: On behalf of William Robb

2010-11-02 Thread Tim Øsleby
Pardon me for pointing at the obviouis. But this aint USA, it is PDML, a multicultural email list. So. There is no THE Constitution here, at least not as I am aware off. For the record: I'm not atacking the constitution. You Tom, and others may, may practise the constitution as mush as you like,

Re: On behalf of William Robb

2010-11-02 Thread CheekyGeek
On Tue, Nov 2, 2010 at 11:51 AM, Tim Øsleby maritim...@gmail.com wrote: You Tom, and others may, may practice the constitution as mush as you like, but please don't take it for granted here. Doing so, could be interpreted as, how do I put this? A bit self centered? Wait. You mean...

Re: On behalf of William Robb

2010-11-02 Thread Jeffery Smith
What?! The rest of the world isn't following our lead?! Jeffery On Nov 2, 2010, at 11:51 AM, Tim Øsleby wrote: Pardon me for pointing at the obviouis. But this aint USA, it is PDML, a multicultural email list. So. There is no THE Constitution here, at least not as I am aware off. For the

Re: On behalf of William Robb

2010-11-02 Thread Tom C
I used the term constitution loosely, and in direct response to the prior poster that used the term, and my post was largely tongue in cheek. A bit bossy? On Tue, Nov 2, 2010 at 12:51 PM, Tim Øsleby maritim...@gmail.com wrote: Pardon me for pointing at the obviouis. But this aint USA, it is

Re: On behalf of William Robb

2010-11-02 Thread Tim Øsleby
I know Tom. But never the less ;-) -- MaritimTim http://maritimtim.blogspot.com/ 2010/11/2 Tom C caka...@gmail.com: I used the term constitution loosely, and in direct response to the prior poster that used the term, and my post was largely tongue in cheek. A bit bossy? On Tue, Nov 2,

Re: On behalf of William Robb

2010-11-02 Thread Scott Loveless
On Tue, Nov 2, 2010 at 1:03 PM, Jeffery Smith jsmith...@bellsouth.net wrote: What?! The rest of the world isn't following our lead?! That's offensive. -- Scott Loveless http://www.twosixteen.com/fivetoedsloth/     __o   _'\,_  (*)/  (*) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net

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2010-11-02 Thread Adam Maas
Indeed, Bill's actions are protected by the Charter of Rights and Freedoms, not the Constitution. Godfrey's are protected by the First Ammendment to the US Constitution, other list members' speech is protected (or not protected) by the laws of where they live. -Adam On Tue, Nov 2, 2010 at 12:51

Re: On behalf of William Robb

2010-11-02 Thread Jack Davis
The constitution notwithstanding, let's hear it for servility. Jack --- On Tue, 11/2/10, Tom C caka...@gmail.com wrote: From: Tom C caka...@gmail.com Subject: Re: On behalf of William Robb To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Date: Tuesday, November 2, 2010, 10:16 AM I used the term

Re: On behalf of William Robb

2010-11-02 Thread Scott Loveless
On Tue, Nov 2, 2010 at 1:38 PM, Adam Maas a...@mawz.ca wrote: Indeed, Bill's actions are protected by the Charter of Rights and Freedoms, not the Constitution. Godfrey's are protected by the First Ammendment to the US Constitution, other list members' speech is protected (or not protected)

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2010-11-02 Thread David J Brooks
If the PDML were a school bus, you'd all be sitting up front right now.:-) Dave -- Documenting Life in Rural Ontario. www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ York Region, Ontario, Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net

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2010-11-02 Thread Boris Liberman
It seems to me that without a written set of rules that we click to agree before we proceed with subscription, the issue is slightly moot. Boris -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link

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2010-11-02 Thread CheekyGeek
On Tue, Nov 2, 2010 at 12:39 PM, Jack Davis jdavi...@yahoo.com wrote: The constitution notwithstanding, let's hear it for servility. Also civility. They are both foreign concepts (and by foreign, I mean of another planet). Darren Addy Kearney, Ne -- Nothing is sure, except Death and Pentaxes.

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2010-11-02 Thread P N Stenquist
LOL!!! Leave it to Dave to put this all in perspective. Case closed. Paul On Nov 2, 2010, at 1:55 PM, David J Brooks wrote: If the PDML were a school bus, you'd all be sitting up front right now.:-) Dave -- Documenting Life in Rural Ontario. www.caughtinmotion.com

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2010-11-02 Thread Bob W
Seems a double standard exists. instead you /could/ - note: not /should/ - ?be glad that someone cares. by the way the idiots who care are the same people who are respecting your exercise of your constitutional right to call them idiots as a matter of opinion - as you can see

RE: On behalf of William Robb

2010-11-02 Thread Bob W
Religion, politics, sexual orientation, and race are not good topics for any forum, and generally ignite a purposeless day or two of hostility. Inasmuch that they have nothing to do with Pentax or photography, they are best avoided. On the other end of the spectrum, there are photography

RE: On behalf of William Robb

2010-11-02 Thread Bob W
Perhaps some of us are offended not because we find the offense offensive, but because we're concerned our neighbor might be offended to see us not being offended. Good offences make good neighbours. B -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net

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2010-11-02 Thread John Francis
On Tue, Nov 02, 2010 at 01:47:30PM -0400, Scott Loveless wrote: Are they? The list server is, I think (please slap me around if I'm wrong), located in the US. I'd like to think, and if it were up to me they would, that anyone within the borders of the United States would enjoy the same

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2010-11-02 Thread Rick Womer
Mark! --- On Tue, 11/2/10, David J Brooks pentko...@gmail.com wrote: If the PDML were a school bus, you'd all be sitting up front right now.:-) Dave -- Documenting Life in Rural Ontario. www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ York Region, Ontario, Canada

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2010-11-02 Thread Scott Loveless
On Tue, Nov 2, 2010 at 3:19 PM, John Francis jo...@panix.com wrote: It depends on the jurisdiction where the server is located. That would make sense. In the US it is generally held that ISPs, list service providers, c. are protected by common carrier rules.  This means that as long as they

Re: On behalf of William Robb

2010-11-02 Thread Tom C
The one with the closest prison or firing squad takes precedence. It's called the Law of Proximity. On Tue, Nov 2, 2010 at 3:25 PM, Scott Loveless sdlovel...@gmail.com wrote: I guess a more applicable question might be if J. Random Foreigner writes something that could be considered illegal

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2010-11-02 Thread eckinator
2010/11/2 Jeffery Smith jsmith...@bellsouth.net: Hey! Everyone should pack heat! To protect ourselves against let me guess - people packing heat? oh yeah that makes sense =) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from

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2010-11-02 Thread Jeffery Smith
Or vigilante group. Down here in the lower 48, we're far more concerned about the cell phone images of Brett Favre's pee pee. Jeffery On Nov 2, 2010, at 2:39 PM, Tom C wrote: The one with the closest prison or firing squad takes precedence. It's called the Law of Proximity. On Tue,

Re: On behalf of William Robb

2010-11-02 Thread Scott Loveless
On Tue, Nov 2, 2010 at 4:24 PM, Jeffery Smith jsmith...@bellsouth.net wrote: Down here in the lower 48, we're far more concerned about the cell phone images of Brett Favre's pee pee. Whew. Thanks for not saying penis. g -- Scott Loveless http://www.twosixteen.com/fivetoedsloth/     __o  

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2010-11-02 Thread Larry Colen
On Nov 2, 2010, at 10:55 AM, David J Brooks wrote: If the PDML were a school bus, you'd all be sitting up front right now.:-) If the PDML were a school bus, it would be one of the short ones. -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com sent from i4est -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net

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2010-11-02 Thread Cotty
On 2/11/10, Jeffery Smith, discombobulated, unleashed: Religion, politics, sexual orientation, and race are not good topics for any forum Hang on mate, that's why I joined the PDML !? -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche --

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