Re: Future Practicality of Film

2004-05-27 Thread Daniel J. Matyola
Shh! don't stir things uyp. Lon Williamson wrote: LOL Antonio, he's NOT kidding. William Robb wrote: - Original Message - From: Antonio Aparicio And you sir are being abusive. You haven't seen abuse directed at you yet.

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2004-05-27 Thread Cotty
Lon's awake. Somebody get him breakfast. Shh! don't stir things uyp. Lon Williamson wrote: LOL Antonio, he's NOT kidding. William Robb wrote: - Original Message - From: Antonio Aparicio And you sir are being abusive. You haven't seen abuse directed at you yet.

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2004-05-20 Thread Anders Hultman
On Wed, 19 May 2004, frank theriault wrote: Rob, I know you meant well, but now you've gone and ruined it. I had no idea that Badger is a phone company, and they just want to get me to buy one. A phone company? From here it looks like the badgerphone.co.uk web site is a personal web site

Re: Future Practicality of Film

2004-05-19 Thread Eactivist
In a message dated 5/18/2004 8:59:19 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: There's room for both, but will both survive? Hard to say in the long run. Perhaps the sun will explode before film disappears, or perhaps there will be an ominous announcement tomorrow putting to rest all

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2004-05-19 Thread Anders Hultman
On Tue, 18 May 2004, Yefei He wrote: I live in Iowa too and I don't raise hogs or corn. I do run over badgers from time to time:-) http://www.badgerbadgerbadger.com/ anders - http://anders.hultman.nu/ med dagens bild och allt!

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2004-05-19 Thread Steve Desjardins
The Kodak kiosks for printing from CF cards and other media are also very convenient and give folks a little control such as cropping. When my wife discovered this, she became a much bigger fan of digital. The point is that digital CURRENTLY gives the average person some control over their

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2004-05-19 Thread ernreed2
Ebeneezer Scrooge writes: Now, they are being told that digital is good enough. And, they are being told the truth. The truth is, a 2mp camera is good enough for most consumers. The truth is, they don't need to be a computer wizard to run the thing. The truth is, they don't even need

Re: Future Practicality of Film

2004-05-19 Thread Tom C
William Robb wrote: ...And the truth is, when enough of them have bought enough digital cameras, and are no longer feeding Max 400 into their point and shoots, film will go away. - It almost makes me feel it my duty to get a 67II. :) Seriously folks, I think Mr. Robb is

Re: Future Practicality of Film

2004-05-19 Thread Steve Desjardins
own where the slide shots are consistently sharper than my *istD is my FA 50/2.8 macro, but only when i shoot Velvia. Herb - Original Message - From: Steve Desjardins [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2004 10:45 AM Subject: Re: Future Practicality of Film

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2004-05-19 Thread Peter J. Alling
Well they are traditionalists, and they have promised one, (well sort of). Just remember there's always Cosina. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 5/18/2004 8:59:19 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: There's room for both, but will both survive? Hard to say in the

Re: Future Practicality of Film

2004-05-19 Thread Peter J. Alling
What do the Whalers have to do with Schrooge anyway??? [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ebeneezer Scrooge writes: Now, they are being told that digital is good enough. And, they are being told the truth. The truth is, a 2mp camera is good enough for most consumers. The truth is, they don't need to be

Re: Future Practicality of Film

2004-05-19 Thread Antonio Aparicio
Now you are being threatening. Antonio On 19 May 2004, at 02:07, William Robb wrote: - Original Message - From: Antonio Aparicio Subject: Re: Future Practicality of Film And you sir are being abusive. You haven't seen abuse directed at you yet. William Robb

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2004-05-19 Thread Gonz
Belinkoff [Original Message] From: Antonio Aparicio [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 5/18/2004 6:33:02 AM Subject: Re: Future Practicality of Film I have found Norman Korens site most illuminating on this subject: http://www.normankoren.com/Tutorials/MTF7.html According to which

Re: Future Practicality of Film

2004-05-19 Thread graywolf
Well, right now there is a thread over at rec.photo.equipment.large-format where they have found out that they can not even scan 4800dpi/48bit 4x5 images into Photoshop CS because the files are too big. That size scan does not get all the quality inherent in the film image. By the way, the guy,

Re: Future Practicality of Film

2004-05-19 Thread graywolf
I do not doubt that film will disappear from mass-market retailers soon. Many things have. However the internet makes it profitable to cater to niche markets that were unprofitable in the past due to low user density in any particular geographical area. You can still get unpopular sizes of

Re: Future Practicality of Film

2004-05-19 Thread Antonio Aparicio
I am not so sure - have seen a few new film outlets and processors open up here in Spain recently. C41 looks like it may be around for quite a while. Digital may be the new thing but there are an awful, awful lot of film cameras out there that folks will continue to want support for many years

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2004-05-19 Thread frank theriault
this is the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears it is true. -J. Robert Oppenheimer From: Anders Hultman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Future Practicality of Film Date: Wed, 19 May 2004 12:38:49 +0200 (MEST) On Tue, 18 May 2004, Yefei He

RE: Future Practicality of Film

2004-05-19 Thread frank theriault
PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Future Practicality of Film Date: Thu, 20 May 2004 00:48:28 +0100 Try this one too: http://www.badgerphone.co.uk/ -Original Message- From: frank theriault [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 19 May 2004 23:14 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Future Practicality

RE: Future Practicality of Film

2004-05-19 Thread ernreed2
frank said: ROTFLMBFAO (the BF stands for Big Fat, in case anyone out there didn't get that) Somehow I doubt this can be an accurate description, since I understand you ride a bicycle professionally. ERN

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2004-05-19 Thread John Francis
: RE: Future Practicality of Film Date: Thu, 20 May 2004 00:48:28 +0100 Try this one too: http://www.badgerphone.co.uk/ -Original Message- From: frank theriault [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 19 May 2004 23:14 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Future Practicality of Film

Re: Future Practicality of Film

2004-05-18 Thread keller.schaefer
I'll try to avoid the general opinion and will limit this to my personal experience... I do not photograph for a living - but I do take photographs almost every day. Over the years I have acquired some ;-) cameras with a variety of film formats (including a Minox and a Plaubel 4x5). I use many of

Re: Future Practicality of Film

2004-05-18 Thread Antonio Aparicio
I don't think film is quite dead yet - not whilst you have to pay $1,000s for digital SLRs that will give you comparable results to what a film SLR can offer for a fraction of the price. Maybe a few years down the road. Personally I am quite happy to continue with film until full frame DSLRs

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2004-05-18 Thread Boris Liberman
Hi! If I understand you correctly, you are faced with two options - either buy Pentax 67II or invest in DSLR. May I suggest another option (for which suggestion I hope I am not going to be banned from __Pentax__ list). Perhaps you could invest in another MF system that either already has a

RE: Future Practicality of Film

2004-05-18 Thread Andy Chang
Boris, It is actually an excellent suggestion! Andy -Original Message- From: Boris Liberman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2004 4:25 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Future Practicality of Film Hi! If I understand you correctly, you are faced with two

Re: Future Practicality of Film

2004-05-18 Thread Boris Liberman
Hi! Boris, It is actually an excellent suggestion! Oh well blush g... I am a programmer, so that flexibility is almost always a name of the game for me. Boris

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2004-05-18 Thread Rfsindg
Tom, I think there will always be a future for film. 35mm will outlast medium format, but medium format will still be around for those eliteists like us. Frankly, you are talking here to a bunch of eliteists who still think 40 year old Spotmatics with SMC Takumars are great cameras! Me

Re: Future Practicality of Film

2004-05-18 Thread Bill Owens
SLRs won't keep film alive. The PS user is the real consumer, and at the moment, their trend is to digital. Them and the one time use cameras Bill

Re: Future Practicality of Film

2004-05-18 Thread Antonio Aparicio
Using your same logic then if resolution wasn't important we would all be using APS. Antonio On 18 May 2004, at 16:56, William Robb wrote: - Original Message - From: Antonio Aparicio S ubject: Re: Future Practicality of Film I have found Norman Korens site most illuminating

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2004-05-18 Thread Mark Roberts
Antonio Aparicio [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Using your same logic then if resolution wasn't important we would all be using APS. His statement was that If resolution was all that important, not that resolution is entirely UNimportant. You're being deliberately obtuse now. -- Mark Roberts

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2004-05-18 Thread Tom C
APS was never anything more than a gimic... Tom C. From: Antonio Aparicio [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Future Practicality of Film Date: Tue, 18 May 2004 17:17:23 +0200 Using your same logic then if resolution wasn't important we would all

Re: Future Practicality of Film

2004-05-18 Thread Antonio Aparicio
Try telling that tom my mom! On 18 May 2004, at 17:39, Tom C wrote: APS was never anything more than a gimic... Tom C. From: Antonio Aparicio [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Future Practicality of Film Date: Tue, 18 May 2004 17:17:23 +0200 Using

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2004-05-18 Thread Shawn K.
*Shakes head* This is the hootenany I was speaking of. You know a couple years ago people were claiming 30-40 Mega pixels to outdo 35mm film, that number keeps dropping, but people still claim you need such and such ludicrous amount of pixels to out do the resolution of film. well, I have been

Re: Future Practicality of Film

2004-05-18 Thread Antonio Aparicio
Mark, there is no need to get abusive. I was only pointing out the effect of sensor size on image quality, and in particular how this correlates with 35mm quality, not making a statement about individual preferences regarding image resolution. Antonio On 18 May 2004, at 17:29, Mark Roberts

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2004-05-18 Thread Shawn K.
Conversely, using your logic, if resolution was so important we would all be using large format! GET A GRIP MAN. -Shawn -Original Message- From: Antonio Aparicio [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2004 11:17 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Future Practicality of Film

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2004-05-18 Thread Tom C
are on their way out too. Stick in a very small sensor, a little bit of memory... same thing as a plastic lens and cheap film. Tom C. From: Shel Belinkoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Future Practicality of Film Date: Tue, 18 May 2004 08:00:18

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2004-05-18 Thread Rob Brigham
PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Future Practicality of Film *Shakes head* This is the hootenany I was speaking of. You know a couple years ago people were claiming 30-40 Mega pixels to outdo 35mm film, that number keeps dropping, but people still claim you need such and such ludicrous amount

Re: Future Practicality of Film

2004-05-18 Thread Tom C
What's her number? :) Tom C. From: Antonio Aparicio [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Future Practicality of Film Date: Tue, 18 May 2004 17:43:46 +0200 Try telling that tom my mom! On 18 May 2004, at 17:39, Tom C wrote: APS was never anything more

Re: Future Practicality of Film

2004-05-18 Thread Antonio Aparicio
, 2004 11:17 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Future Practicality of Film Using your same logic then if resolution wasn't important we would all be using APS. Antonio On 18 May 2004, at 16:56, William Robb wrote: - Original Message - From: Antonio Aparicio S ubject: Re: Future

Re: Future Practicality of Film

2004-05-18 Thread Antonio Aparicio
And you sir are being abusive. Antonio On 18 May 2004, at 17:29, Mark Roberts wrote: Antonio Aparicio [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Using your same logic then if resolution wasn't important we would all be using APS. His statement was that If resolution was all that important, not that resolution is

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2004-05-18 Thread Shawn K.
- From: Tom C [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2004 11:56 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Future Practicality of Film Shel I understand your point of view, but probably disagree a bit. I can't see film going through a slump and then returning to some appreciable level

Re: Future Practicality of Film

2004-05-18 Thread Mark Roberts
Antonio Aparicio [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Read my message shawn, I was not saying that resolution was the be an and end all of image quality but rather that Norman on his site (follow the link I posted) made the point that for digital to match 35mm image resolution you would be looking at a

RE: Future Practicality of Film

2004-05-18 Thread Shawn K.
HAR HAR HAR!! Hahahaha! Actually, thats pretty funny. I'm a fan of chincy humor though. -Shawn -Original Message- From: Rob Brigham [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2004 11:57 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Future Practicality of Film Ah but in this test: http

Re: Future Practicality of Film

2004-05-18 Thread Antonio Aparicio
And your contribution is? Antonio On 18 May 2004, at 18:10, Mark Roberts wrote: Antonio Aparicio [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Read my message shawn, I was not saying that resolution was the be an and end all of image quality but rather that Norman on his site (follow the link I posted) made the point

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2004-05-18 Thread J. C. O'Connell
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://jcoconnell.com -Original Message- From: Steve Desjardins [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2004 10:46 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Future Practicality

Re: Future Practicality of Film

2004-05-18 Thread Shel Belinkoff
, predicting the future, one way or another, is, to a degree, folly. Shel Belinkoff [Original Message] From: Tom C [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 5/18/2004 9:00:18 AM Subject: Re: Future Practicality of Film Shel I understand your point of view, but probably disagree a bit. I

Re: Future Practicality of Film

2004-05-18 Thread Daniel J. Matyola
Would everyone please just ignore him until he calms down or goes away Antonio Aparicio wrote: And your contribution is? Antonio

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2004-05-18 Thread Tom C
I can see it in that light. Tom C. From: Shel Belinkoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Future Practicality of Film Date: Tue, 18 May 2004 09:30:09 -0700 Hi, Tom ... My comment about film slumping and having a resurgence is based, in part, on how

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2004-05-18 Thread Henri Toivonen
Daniel J. Matyola wrote: Would everyone please just ignore him until he calms down or goes away Did that a while ago. Trolls are a part of the net, nothing you can do except ignore them. ;-) /Henri

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2004-05-18 Thread Bill Owens
Belinkoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2004 12:30 PM Subject: Re: Future Practicality of Film Hi, Tom ... My comment about film slumping and having a resurgence is based, in part, on how vinyl records and turntables disappeared but have recently come back

Re: Future Practicality of Film

2004-05-18 Thread Bill Owens
- Original Message - From: Shel Belinkoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2004 12:30 PM Subject: Re: Future Practicality of Film Hi, Tom ... My comment about film slumping and having a resurgence is based, in part, on how vinyl records and turntables

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2004-05-18 Thread Collin Brendemuehl
IOW, what does IOWA mean, other than a place for hog farmers and big corn fields? Hi, Tom ... snip IOWA, snip Shel Belinkoff Collin (of course Badgers take precedence) Brendemuehl --- 'Tautology is'

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2004-05-18 Thread Shawn K.
, digital and film cameras are very similar. So film cameras will not have that advantage IMO. -Shawn -Original Message- From: Shel Belinkoff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2004 12:30 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Future Practicality of Film Hi, Tom ... My comment

RE: Future Practicality of Film

2004-05-18 Thread Collin Brendemuehl
From: Shawn K. Date: Tue, 18 May 2004 08:53:51 -0700 Conversely, using your logic, if resolution was so important we would all be using large format! GET A GRIP MAN. -Shawn These are words only expressable by

Re: Future Practicality of Film

2004-05-18 Thread Keith Whaley
Gladly... keith whaley Daniel J. Matyola wrote: Would everyone please just ignore him until he calms down or goes away Antonio Aparicio wrote: And your contribution is? Antonio

Re: Future Practicality of Film

2004-05-18 Thread John Francis
Steven Desjardins mused: I remember when folks were estimating 20-30 MP for full equivalency. . . So do I. Maybe it's because I was one of those folks. I came up with that figure based on my own experience with scanning Provia Velvia; there was obviously more real resolution available from

Re: Future Practicality of Film

2004-05-18 Thread Shel Belinkoff
. Shel Belinkoff [Original Message] From: Bill Owens [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 5/18/2004 9:48:58 AM Subject: Re: Future Practicality of Film Mornin' Shel You may have a point when it comes to enthusiasts like many on the list. However, for the average consumer digital

Re: Future Practicality of Film

2004-05-18 Thread Peter J. Alling
/ocesideharbor2.htm there is clearly more detail in the film scan - I can see a bird in the sky which just gets lost in the digital image! -Original Message- From: Shawn K. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 18 May 2004 15:34 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Future Practicality of Film

RE: Future Practicality of Film

2004-05-18 Thread Shel Belinkoff
Your comment assumes that it's not superior to digital ... which it arguably is. Shel Belinkoff [Original Message] From: Shawn K. [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 5/18/2004 9:50:24 AM Subject: RE: Future Practicality of Film Well, part of the reason for that is continued

Re: Future Practicality of Film

2004-05-18 Thread Peter J. Alling
15:34 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Future Practicality of Film *Shakes head* This is the hootenany I was speaking of. You know a couple years ago people were claiming 30-40 Mega pixels to outdo 35mm film, that number keeps dropping, but people still claim you need such and such ludicrous

Re: Future Practicality of Film

2004-05-18 Thread Antonio Aparicio
What exactly is it that I am supposed to have done wrong here? I feel quite calm and have no intention of going away. Is this how you normally treat people on this list who have a minority view on an issue? Antonio On 18 May 2004, at 18:33, Daniel J. Matyola wrote: Would everyone please just

RE: Future Practicality of Film

2004-05-18 Thread Tom C
C. From: Jens Bladt [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Future Practicality of Film Date: Tue, 18 May 2004 20:09:14 +0200 Hello Tom The journey from film towards digital photgraphy has begun. No one knows how long it will last. I guess

Re: Future Practicality of Film

2004-05-18 Thread Cotty
On 18/5/04, BOB S, discombobulated, offered: Digital photography still has issues to address. Being computer literate is the first hurdle. Owning a computer is the second. Long term storage is the third. Some manufacturers realise this and are providing a simple camera-to- printer solution

Re: Future Practicality of Film

2004-05-18 Thread Mark Cassino
://www.markcassino.com - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Original Message - From: Tom C [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2004 2:55 AM Subject: Future Practicality of Film I realize this list has a number of clairvoyants and unlicensed psychologists

Re: Future Practicality of Film

2004-05-18 Thread Cotty
On 18/5/04, SHEL THE WISE OWL, discombobulated, offered: Now, is it practical to buy new camera gear? Indeed it is. Unless you're a professional, or on a very limited budget, the idea here is to have fun making photographs. So, buy the camera you want, shoot film until it goes out of

Re: Future Practicality of Film

2004-05-18 Thread Cotty
Using your same logic then if resolution wasn't important we would all be using APS. His statement was that If resolution was all that important, not that resolution is entirely UNimportant. You're being deliberately obtuse now. This is brewing nicely. Computer, run scenario Dobo-Alpha.

RE: Future Practicality of Film

2004-05-18 Thread Jens Bladt
, scooters, mopeds etc. arround. Jens Bladt mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://hjem.get2net.dk/bladt -Oprindelig meddelelse- Fra: Tom C [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sendt: 18. maj 2004 20:28 Til: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Emne: RE: Future Practicality of Film Hi Jens, Thanks for your response. You

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2004-05-18 Thread Tom C
Can't argue with this logic. OK... Anyone think Pentax will introduce a digital back for the 67II? Tom C. From: Mark Cassino [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Future Practicality of Film Date: Tue, 18 May 2004 14:37:10 -0400 One of the most

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2004-05-18 Thread alex wetmore
On Tue, 18 May 2004, Mark Cassino wrote: No matter what digital camera you purchase, a better one will be coming along. Today's 6 megapixel DSLR's a nice, but digital will only get better and, if other digital revolutions can be used as a guide, they will get a LOT better a LOT faster. If a

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2004-05-18 Thread Jens Bladt
Practicality of Film Can't argue with this logic. OK... Anyone think Pentax will introduce a digital back for the 67II? Tom C. From: Mark Cassino [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Future Practicality of Film Date: Tue, 18 May 2004 14:37:10 -0400

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2004-05-18 Thread graywolf
Well, I would say digital is a seller's wet dream come ture. Let's say you had bought a new Linhof Super Technica IV in 1959-60 or so. Now, would you ever have had a real reason to buy another one unless you used it so much you actually wore it out? Whereas, like your computer, next year your

Re: Future Practicality of Film

2004-05-18 Thread alex wetmore
On Tue, 18 May 2004, graywolf wrote: As I have mentioned before, I used to do a lot of event photography. If that is your thing then you can almost not afford not to go digital. However, strange as it may be, 80+% of the folks on this list seem to be landscape/nature photographers. Why in

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2004-05-18 Thread Tom C
Most likely because of the immediacy of getting the image back and the fact that no one uses their cameras exclusively for one genre. Also because we've all wanted to try a Pentax DSLR... it's newfangled. But I know what you meant. 35mm because of price/convenience. If you're right I'd be

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2004-05-18 Thread graywolf
Smile, compares crops of 2nd generation digitalized slides to corps of 1st generation digital. Kodak said 14mp was comparable to 35mm color negatives back when 2mp was the best anyone (them) had done so far. I have seen nothing that contradicts that yet. That would mean you would need about

RE: Future Practicality of Film

2004-05-18 Thread Shawn K.
, but they don't look any better printed out and that what matters most. -Shawn -Original Message- From: graywolf [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2004 5:43 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Future Practicality of Film Smile, compares crops of 2nd generation digitalized

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2004-05-18 Thread Peter J. Alling
Practicality of Film Smile, compares crops of 2nd generation digitalized slides to corps of 1st generation digital. Kodak said 14mp was comparable to 35mm color negatives back when 2mp was the best anyone (them) had done so far. I have seen nothing that contradicts that yet. That would mean you would need

Re: Future Practicality of Film

2004-05-18 Thread ernreed2
On 18/5/04, THE CHESHIRE COT, discombobulated, offered: I have phases still to come, which one day i am looking forward to. One of those is walking off into the woods with a large format camera and half a dozen plates, and coming back with a very large grin. I would, under similar

Re: Future Practicality of Film

2004-05-18 Thread Herb Chong
are consistently sharper than my *istD is my FA 50/2.8 macro, but only when i shoot Velvia. Herb - Original Message - From: Steve Desjardins [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2004 10:45 AM Subject: Re: Future Practicality of Film And, of course, the 6 MP cameras

Re: Future Practicality of Film

2004-05-18 Thread Herb Chong
: being able to immediately see if the shot came out, and being able to delete it if it didn't. Herb - Original Message - From: Steve Desjardins [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2004 10:49 AM Subject: Re: Future Practicality of Film There is no question

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2004-05-18 Thread Herb Chong
: William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2004 10:47 AM Subject: Re: Future Practicality of Film SLRs won't keep film alive. The PS user is the real consumer, and at the moment, their trend is to digital. The film SLR camera is also in danger of becoming extinct.

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2004-05-18 Thread Yefei He
to confuse the digital sensors, but can't fool film. Yefei -Original Message- From: Rob Brigham [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2004 11:57 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Future Practicality of Film Ah but in this test: http://www.sphoto.com/techinfo

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2004-05-18 Thread Herb Chong
PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2004 2:09 PM Subject: RE: Future Practicality of Film Film for amatures is quite cheep today, because of the huge sale to professionals. They will stop buying film within the next 2-5 years, if not earlier. This means film will soon be so

RE: Future Practicality of Film

2004-05-18 Thread Yefei He
Hi Collin, I live in Iowa too and I don't raise hogs or corn. I do run over badgers from time to time:-) Yefei Date: Tue, 18 May 2004 12:49:46 -0400 From: Collin Brendemuehl [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Future Practicality of Film Message-Id: [EMAIL

Re: Future Practicality of Film

2004-05-18 Thread Herb Chong
Practicality of Film I enjoy nature/landscape photography, but I don't make huge prints. 6mp is more than enough resolution. I probably wouldn't carry MF or LF stuff with me anyway because that is more equipment to carry while backpacking.

Re: Future Practicality of Film

2004-05-18 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: Tom C Subject: Re: Future Practicality of Film Imagine my surprise when my input (and others I am sure) became the Advanced Photo System format. --- So what was the rationale behind it? I can understand the consumer side, see the thumbnails

Re: Future Practicality of Film

2004-05-18 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Future Practicality of Film Frankly, you are talking here to a bunch of eliteists who still think 40 year old Spotmatics with SMC Takumars are great cameras! Me among them. :-) The problem with eliteists is that they seem

Re: Future Practicality of Film (APS)

2004-05-18 Thread KT Takeshita
On 5/18/04 9:50 PM, KT Takeshita [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Even discussing the demise of APS (as well as 35mm for that matter) is not moot Is NOW moot. Ken

Re: Future Practicality of Film

2004-05-18 Thread Paul Stenquist
On May 18, 2004, at 5:43 PM, graywolf wrote: I wonder sometimes if any of these folks who say digital is so good have ever even seen an original 8x10 tranny on the light table. Sure. I've seen hundreds of them, dating back to the time my dad was a color photo engraver for Life Magazine. He

Re: Future Practicality of Film

2004-05-18 Thread Paul Stenquist
Practicality of Film Smile, compares crops of 2nd generation digitalized slides to corps of 1st generation digital. Kodak said 14mp was comparable to 35mm color negatives back when 2mp was the best anyone (them) had done so far. I have seen nothing that contradicts that yet. That would mean you would need

Re: Future Practicality of Film

2004-05-18 Thread Shel Belinkoff
Well, Bill, I've gotta disagree with you. Just read the membership roll of magnum and see all those photogs who use 35mm cameras. Y'gotta admit. I've been fooled all these years. I thought those jamokes were serious. And then there are many, may documentarians that still use 35mm, and

Re: Future Practicality of Film

2004-05-18 Thread Rfsindg
Ebeneezer Scrooge writes: Now, they are being told that digital is good enough. And, they are being told the truth. The truth is, a 2mp camera is good enough for most consumers. The truth is, they don't need to be a computer wizard to run the thing. The truth is, they don't even need a

RE: Future Practicality of Film

2004-05-18 Thread Shawn K.
computer illiterate you know. -Shawn -Original Message- From: Paul Stenquist [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2004 10:21 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Future Practicality of Film Your saying that MF scans don't look any better than 35mm scans when printed? That's

Re: Future Practicality of Film (APS)

2004-05-18 Thread Jim Apilado
: Tue, 18 May 2004 21:50:55 -0400 To: Pentax Discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Future Practicality of Film (APS) Resent-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Resent-Date: Tue, 18 May 2004 21:51:02 -0400 On 5/18/04 8:37 PM, Tom C [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: but was anyone seriously into photography going

RE: Future Practicality of Film

2004-05-18 Thread Pentxuser
Film is not going away folks. Those who say it is are those who have bought into the digital hype in a big way. Don't get me wrong, nothing wrong with digital cameras. But there are lots of us out there who do not really want, need or care to go digital, and if we go digital it might simply be

RE: Future Practicality of Film

2004-05-18 Thread Shawn K.
pocket change compared to lenses. -Shawn -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, May 19, 2004 12:46 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Future Practicality of Film Film is not going away folks. Those who say it is are those who have bought