Re: I hate my K10D's AF

2010-09-05 Thread Joseph McAllister
On Sep 2, 2010, at 13:52 , eckinator wrote: Aaaargh... that thing doesn't have front or back focus, it has effin' wack focus... I just finished culling over 100 pictures of Mattis riding a slow kids' carousel and less than ten are properly focused. I shot images using both auto and manual focus

Re: I hate my K10D's AF

2010-09-05 Thread Joseph McAllister
On Sep 2, 2010, at 14:24 , eckinator wrote: 2010/9/2 Thibouille pentaxl...@gmail.com: They did make progress, clearly. But AF-C, with objects going from or to the camera are still Pentax AF nightmare. K7 AF-S is much better than K10 though. It seems to me like AF doesn't pick something to

Re: I hate my K10D's AF

2010-09-05 Thread eckinator
Sounds like you'll be talking to CRIS soon =( Hope it is still in warranty Ecke 2010/9/5 Joseph McAllister pentax...@mac.com: I went out today with my K-7 with the DA*16-55 (been using it for the pasts couple of days) and half the time when I pressed the shutter button or the AF button, the

Re: I hate my K10D's AF

2010-09-03 Thread David J Brooks
On Thu, Sep 2, 2010 at 7:45 PM, David Savage ozsav...@gmail.com wrote: The AF on the D700 is awesome... DS Don't remind me.:-) Dave On 3 September 2010 04:52, eckinator eckina...@gmail.com wrote: Aaaargh... that thing doesn't have front or back focus, it has effin' wack focus... I just

Re: I hate my K10D's AF

2010-09-03 Thread eckinator
-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: I hate my K10D's AF I know your pain, bro.  I hate my K10D quite a bit, but when focus is critical I hate it even more. When the day comes that I can afford to upgrade, I'm probably not going to sell my K10D.  I wouldn't want to inflict its

Re: I hate my K10D's AF

2010-09-03 Thread David Mann
On Sep 3, 2010, at 9:24 AM, eckinator wrote: It seems to me like AF doesn't pick something to follow but will just randomly focus on the highest contrast item closest to any given focus point with a slight preference for the more central ones. This usually doesn't mean faces etc. I have many

Re: I hate my K10D's AF

2010-09-03 Thread eckinator
Yeah same here, tried that and it reliably locked onto seat backs and hand rails... faces just don't seem as interesting... you'd think that if Canikony can do it, Pentax could, too... but we all know this is not the case. I hope the K-5 will have more AF points at least. Cheers Ecke 2010/9/3

Re: I hate my K10D's AF

2010-09-03 Thread Boris Liberman
Comparing K10D that I have and K-7 I should say that getting in focus pictures of my girls on a swing wasn't a problem. But then again I also managed with K10D... In principle, though you are likely to know that already, you should /anticipate/ and press the shutter release at exactly the

Re: I hate my K10D's AF

2010-09-03 Thread eckinator
2010/9/3 Boris Liberman bori...@gmail.com: Comparing K10D that I have and K-7 I should say that getting in focus pictures of my girls on a swing wasn't a problem. But then again I also managed with K10D... In principle, though you are likely to know that already, you should /anticipate/ and

Re: I hate my K10D's AF

2010-09-03 Thread Charles Robinson
On Sep 2, 2010, at 21:00, John Celio wrote: When the day comes that I can afford to upgrade, I'm probably not going to sell my K10D. I wouldn't want to inflict its bullshit on someone else. That's kind of my problem, too. I'd need to sell it to a total stranger! -Charles -- Charles

Re: I hate my K10D's AF

2010-09-03 Thread Miserere
On 2 September 2010 23:19, John Celio n...@neovenator.com wrote: You don't understand.  My camera backfocuses like it was *meant* to do that, even after sending it back to Pentax twice (both times for other problems, but I asked them to fix this, too).  The image will look sharp in the

Re: I hate my K10D's AF

2010-09-03 Thread Steven Desjardins
Actually, I did a version of this and sent my K10D to be corrected. I included my FA50 which they used for calibration and that lens always worked well. The problem is that the K10D did not allow different corrections for different lenses which is a problem that really can't be fixed by anyone.

Re: I hate my K10D's AF

2010-09-03 Thread Miserere
On 3 September 2010 10:49, Steven Desjardins drd1...@gmail.com wrote: Actually, I did a version of this and sent my K10D to be corrected.  I included my FA50 which they used for calibration and that lens always worked well.  The problem is that the K10D did not allow different corrections for

Re: I hate my K10D's AF

2010-09-03 Thread Steven Desjardins
That's a great story. I know the K20D has that capability and the K10D could be hacked in the original firmware version to do some adjusting. It doesn't surprise me that the K10D could be improved and wasn't. You are also the first person I've heard this from. Of course, that still means the

Re: I hate my K10D's AF

2010-09-03 Thread Miserere
On 3 September 2010 11:08, Steven Desjardins drd1...@gmail.com wrote: Of course, that still means the problem can't be fixed, just that the can't has a higher proportion of won't.  ;-) Exactly!!! :-\ --     \/\/o/\/\ -- http://WorldOfMiserere.com     http://EnticingTheLight.com     A

Re: I hate my K10D's AF

2010-09-03 Thread Rick Womer
Robinson charl...@visi.com wrote: From: Charles Robinson charl...@visi.com Subject: Re: I hate my K10D's AF To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Date: Friday, September 3, 2010, 9:11 AM On Sep 2, 2010, at 21:00, John Celio wrote: When the day comes that I can afford to upgrade, I'm

Re: I hate my K10D's AF

2010-09-03 Thread David J Brooks
On Fri, Sep 3, 2010 at 5:22 AM, Boris Liberman bori...@gmail.com wrote: I've no real life experience with Nikon and Canon bodies in this kind of shooting, so I have nothing to compare with. Fast and sweet.:-) Dave -- Documenting Life in Rural Ontario. www.caughtinmotion.com

Re: I hate my K10D's AF

2010-09-03 Thread Charles Robinson
On Sep 3, 2010, at 11:29, Rick Womer wrote: Charles and Mis, you've both posted beautiful photos taken with your K10Ds, and I doubt you were constantly swearing at your cameras while you took them. True that. But seriously, now that I have a camera that doesn't require the constant

Re: I hate my K10D's AF

2010-09-03 Thread David Savage
On 4 September 2010 00:35, David J Brooks pentko...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Sep 3, 2010 at 5:22 AM, Boris Liberman bori...@gmail.com wrote: I've no real life experience with Nikon and Canon bodies in this kind of shooting, so I have nothing to compare with. Fast and sweet.:-) Hyperglycemic

Re: I hate my K10D's AF

2010-09-03 Thread Steven Desjardins
I think the worst thing you can do is try one of the better Canikons and then you notice the difference. Since Pentax doesn't make the $5000 camera, they never have the really high end system to dumb down for the cheaper cameras. Or, more likely, they just don't have the expertise. On Fri, Sep

Re: I hate my K10D's AF

2010-09-03 Thread Miserere
On 3 September 2010 12:29, Rick Womer rwomer1...@yahoo.com wrote: Aw, c'mon, guys; this is getting rather harsh. The K10D has sluggish autofocus, yes.  That didn't prevent many of us from taking lots of good action shots with it, though (not to mention with manual focus cameras not so long

RE: I hate my K10D's AF

2010-09-03 Thread John Celio
The K10D has sluggish autofocus, yes. That didn't prevent many of us from taking lots of good action shots with it, though Speak for yourself... :\ I doubt you were constantly swearing at your cameras while you took them. You wouldn't believe the number of times I've called mine a piece of

Re: I hate my K10D's AF

2010-09-03 Thread Doug Franklin
On 2010-09-03 5:22, Boris Liberman wrote: [...] It can be done with K10D but you cannot just point the camera, compose the image and shoot away hoping that automatics will automate the rest of the process. Lock time can get to be a serious problem as the rate of change of focal

Re: I hate my K10D's AF

2010-09-03 Thread Doug Franklin
On 2010-09-03 5:35, eckinator wrote: The problem as opposed to a swing is that from human head level it is an enormous challenge to cameras with even the slowest turning carousels because objects constantly enter and leave the foreground even if you keep the principal subject dead centered or

Re: I hate my K10D's AF

2010-09-03 Thread John Sessoms
The only complaint I had with the K10D is my with it AF500FTZ didn't work with it. The auto-focus was adequate for my needs and shooting style. I leave it on AF-C and use the back auto-focus button; don't auto-focus with the shutter button. Pretty much use it that way to pre-focus where I

Re: I hate my K10D's AF

2010-09-03 Thread John Sessoms
Apparently the K10D back-focus issue is a known problem. Searching through forums on the web I found that Pentax Canada can apparently fix it running some kind of service mode firmware they have available. Why Pentax USA or Pentax Europe couldn't or wouldn't fix it was left unexplained. On

Re: I hate my K10D's AF

2010-09-03 Thread Rick Womer
Agreed. I think they pushed the camera out the door before they had things quite working right; issued a few updates to get things working; and then turned their attention to new cameras. Both of their firmware programmers were probably working overtime... Rick http://photo.net/photos/RickW

Re: I hate my K10D's AF

2010-09-03 Thread Steven Desjardins
All too common an approach these days. Even Pentax has to have at least one new model per year. On Fri, Sep 3, 2010 at 6:05 PM, Rick Womer rwomer1...@yahoo.com wrote: Agreed.  I think they pushed the camera out the door before they had things quite working right; issued a few updates to get

I hate my K10D's AF

2010-09-02 Thread eckinator
Aaaargh... that thing doesn't have front or back focus, it has effin' wack focus... I just finished culling over 100 pictures of Mattis riding a slow kids' carousel and less than ten are properly focused. I shot images using both auto and manual focus point selection as I was anticipating this.

Re: I hate my K10D's AF

2010-09-02 Thread David J Brooks
AF C or AF S Dave On Thu, Sep 2, 2010 at 4:52 PM, eckinator eckina...@gmail.com wrote: Aaaargh... that thing doesn't have front or back focus, it has effin' wack focus... I just finished culling over 100 pictures of Mattis riding a slow kids' carousel and less than ten are properly focused. I

Re: I hate my K10D's AF

2010-09-02 Thread Steven Desjardins
Aaaargh... that thing doesn't have front or back focus, it has effin' wack focus... Oh, Mark . . . I've been there. I feel your pain. Well, not really, but I remember feeling your pain. On Thu, Sep 2, 2010 at 4:59 PM, David J Brooks pentko...@gmail.com wrote: AF C or AF S Dave On Thu,

Re: I hate my K10D's AF

2010-09-02 Thread eckinator
Probably AF-C knowing myself but I can't say 100% Thanks Ecke 2010/9/2 David J Brooks pentko...@gmail.com: AF C or AF S Dave On Thu, Sep 2, 2010 at 4:52 PM, eckinator eckina...@gmail.com wrote: Aaaargh... that thing doesn't have front or back focus, it has effin' wack focus... I just

Re: I hate my K10D's AF

2010-09-02 Thread Thibouille
They did make progress, clearly. But AF-C, with objects going from or to the camera are still Pentax AF nightmare. K7 AF-S is much better than K10 though. 2010/9/2, eckinator eckina...@gmail.com: Aaaargh... that thing doesn't have front or back focus, it has effin' wack focus... I just finished

Re: I hate my K10D's AF

2010-09-02 Thread eckinator
2010/9/2 Thibouille pentaxl...@gmail.com: They did make progress, clearly. But AF-C, with objects going from or to the camera are still Pentax AF nightmare. K7 AF-S is much better than K10 though. It seems to me like AF doesn't pick something to follow but will just randomly focus on the

Re: I hate my K10D's AF

2010-09-02 Thread P N Stenquist
The K7 can handle that easily in either S or C mode. On Sep 2, 2010, at 4:52 PM, eckinator wrote: Aaaargh... that thing doesn't have front or back focus, it has effin' wack focus... I just finished culling over 100 pictures of Mattis riding a slow kids' carousel and less than ten are properly

Re: I hate my K10D's AF

2010-09-02 Thread David Savage
I was helping a friend use my K20D a few weeks ago. I had forgotten how craptacularly slow the AF was. The AF on the D700 is awesome... DS On 3 September 2010 04:52, eckinator eckina...@gmail.com wrote: Aaaargh... that thing doesn't have front or back focus, it has effin' wack focus... I just

Re: I hate my K10D's AF

2010-09-02 Thread John Celio
://www.vimeo.com/5944863 John -- http://www.jacelio.com http://www.cafepress.com/jacelio - Original Message - From: eckinator eckina...@gmail.com To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2010 1:52 PM Subject: I hate my K10D's AF Aaaargh... that thing

Re: I hate my K10D's AF

2010-09-02 Thread drd1135
To: Pentax-Discuss Mail Listpdml@pdml.net Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: I hate my K10D's AF I know your pain, bro. I hate my K10D quite a bit, but when focus is critical I hate it even more. When the day comes that I can afford to upgrade, I'm probably not going to sell

Re: I hate my K10D's AF

2010-09-02 Thread paul stenquist
...@neovenator.com Sender: pdml-boun...@pdml.net Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2010 19:00:55 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail Listpdml@pdml.net Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: I hate my K10D's AF I know your pain, bro. I hate my K10D quite a bit, but when focus is critical I hate it even more

Re: I hate my K10D's AF

2010-09-02 Thread John Celio
http://www.cafepress.com/jacelio - Original Message - From: drd1...@gmail.com To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2010 7:11 PM Subject: Re: I hate my K10D's AF Can you feel the love? It's not too bad if you have time to practice. My K10D did fine

Re: I hate my K10D's AF

2010-09-02 Thread Bruce Dayton
Mail Listpdml@pdml.net Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: I hate my K10D's AF I know your pain, bro. I hate my K10D quite a bit, but when focus is critical I hate it even more. When the day comes that I can afford to upgrade, I'm probably not going to sell my