Re: K-7 K-5 samples at iso 100

2010-11-19 Thread P. J. Alling
. -Original Message- From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Bob Sullivan Sent: Thursday, 11 November 2010 2:02 PM To: PDML Subject: K-7 K-5 samples at iso 100 Two samples shot outdoors today. iso 100, 31mm f4.0 1/250th uncropped, one slightly crooked (i know) see

RE: K-7 K-5 samples at iso 100

2010-11-16 Thread Tanya Love
: Thursday, 11 November 2010 2:02 PM To: PDML Subject: K-7 K-5 samples at iso 100 Two samples shot outdoors today. iso 100, 31mm f4.0 1/250th uncropped, one slightly crooked (i know) see captions underneath http://picasaweb.google.com/rf.sullivan/K5Samples#5538133005917003170 and http

Re: K-7 K-5 samples at iso 100

2010-11-16 Thread Peter Loveday
You have Dynamic Range expansion turned on? - Peter -Original Message- From: Tanya Love Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 2010 9:52 PM To: 'Pentax-Discuss Mail List' Subject: RE: K-7 K-5 samples at iso 100 I've read through this entire thread and I am completely confused here. How can

RE: K-7 K-5 samples at iso 100

2010-11-16 Thread Tanya Love
Of Peter Loveday Sent: Tuesday, 16 November 2010 9:35 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: K-7 K-5 samples at iso 100 You have Dynamic Range expansion turned on? - Peter -Original Message- From: Tanya Love Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 2010 9:52 PM To: 'Pentax-Discuss Mail List

Re: K-7 K-5 samples at iso 100

2010-11-16 Thread David J Brooks
On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 12:00 PM, Bob Sullivan rf.sulli...@gmail.com wrote: Dave, Changing computers is a pain in the butt, but you might want to do that first. I suspect a $500US laptop is better than the old desktop. And so much faster. Regards,  Bob S. It probably would be Bob. Wonder if

Re: K-7 K-5 samples at iso 100

2010-11-16 Thread P. J. Alling
My opinion is it /should/ work fine. Reality however may intrude. On 11/16/2010 10:01 AM, David J Brooks wrote: On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 12:00 PM, Bob Sullivanrf.sulli...@gmail.com wrote: Dave, Changing computers is a pain in the butt, but you might want to do that first. I suspect a $500US

RE: K-7 K-5 samples at iso 100

2010-11-16 Thread John Sessoms
From: Tanya Love I've read through this entire thread and I am completely confused here. How can this be? Unless I am doing something relly wrong, my K-7 only goes down to iso200? Sounds like the dynamic range is set to 200%. Go into Fn, select ISO and see if it says D-range 200%.

Re: K-7 K-5 samples at iso 100

2010-11-16 Thread David J Brooks
On Tue, Nov 16, 2010 at 10:13 AM, P. J. Alling webstertwenty...@gmail.com wrote: My opinion is it /should/ work fine.  Reality however may intrude. Reality being, better off with a PC than a laptop, or the iMac. dAVE On 11/16/2010 10:01 AM, David J Brooks wrote: On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at

Re: K-7 K-5 samples at iso 100

2010-11-11 Thread paul stenquist
much thinner purple fringing in the K-5 picture. This could be another newly-discovered plus. Dario - Original Message - From: Bob Sullivan rf.sulli...@gmail.com To: PDML pdml@pdml.net Sent: Thursday, November 11, 2010 5:02 AM Subject: K-7 K-5 samples at iso 100 Two samples shot

Re: K-7 K-5 samples at iso 100

2010-11-11 Thread Bob Sullivan
Boris, I shot RAW DNG's in both cameras. Regards, Bob S. On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 12:21 AM, Boris Liberman bori...@gmail.com wrote: And one more time K5 comes out on top of K7 w.r.t. color fidelity. Bob, did you shoot both cameras in DNG? Or are these camera JPGs? Boris On 11/11/2010 6:02

Re: K-7 K-5 samples at iso 100

2010-11-11 Thread Charles Robinson
On Nov 11, 2010, at 0:21, Boris Liberman wrote: And one more time K5 comes out on top of K7 w.r.t. color fidelity. Well, to be fair... if you weren't there, you don't know which image is truer to the actual colors. -Charles -- Charles Robinson - charl...@visi.com Minneapolis, MN

Re: K-7 K-5 samples at iso 100

2010-11-11 Thread Bob Sullivan
List Emne: Re: K-7 K-5 samples at iso 100 .. and I see much thinner purple fringing in the K-5 picture. This could be another newly-discovered plus. Dario -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please

Re: K-7 K-5 samples at iso 100

2010-11-11 Thread CheekyGeek
08:11 Til: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Emne: Re: K-7 K-5 samples at iso 100 .. and I see much thinner purple fringing in the K-5 picture. This could be another newly-discovered plus. Dario -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net

Re: K-7 K-5 samples at iso 100

2010-11-11 Thread P N Stenquist
...@virgilio.it] Sendt: 11. november 2010 08:11 Til: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Emne: Re: K-7 K-5 samples at iso 100 .. and I see much thinner purple fringing in the K-5 picture. This could be another newly-discovered plus. Dario -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net

Re: K-7 K-5 samples at iso 100

2010-11-11 Thread Steven Desjardins
Funny, I thought then opposite. Maybe the K7 gives better Virginia colors. On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 1:21 AM, Boris Liberman bori...@gmail.com wrote: And one more time K5 comes out on top of K7 w.r.t. color fidelity. Bob, did you shoot both cameras in DNG? Or are these camera JPGs? Boris On

Re: K-7 K-5 samples at iso 100

2010-11-11 Thread Boris Liberman
Agreed. I had to be more precise with my wording. What I meant is that /to me/ the colors of K5 look more natural than those of K7. It is not the mathematical of physical color fidelity I was talking about, but rather that of an individual perception. Thank you for pointing this out. Boris

Re: K-7 K-5 samples at iso 100

2010-11-11 Thread CheekyGeek
Assuming that LR defaults were used to process both RAW files, it would be interesting to see the old color chart photographed by both cameras. I'm especially curious about the RED response. (Of course, it must be remembered that the three channels are all monochrome through different color

Re: K-7 K-5 samples at iso 100

2010-11-11 Thread P N Stenquist
My pics were all shot with AWB, and I assume that the difference in tonality was due to the way the camera handles that. In regard to the high ISO pics that included the tabletop, I can say with certainty that the K5 was more accurate. I always shoot with AWB, so I'd prefer to see how the

Re: K-7 K-5 samples at iso 100

2010-11-11 Thread CheekyGeek
On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 9:22 AM, P N Stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net wrote: My pics were all shot with AWB, and I assume that the difference in tonality was due to the way the camera handles that. That's my point. You can shoot and post-process any way that you like (of course) but if we are

Re: K-7 K-5 samples at iso 100

2010-11-11 Thread P N Stenquist
I don't test, scientifically or otherwise. I provided a few pics because there was some interest here. Now I'm strictly in shooting mode. Paul On Nov 11, 2010, at 10:36 AM, CheekyGeek wrote: On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 9:22 AM, P N Stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net wrote: My pics were all shot

Re: K-7 K-5 samples at iso 100

2010-11-11 Thread John Francis
On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 08:50:44AM -0600, CheekyGeek wrote: As an aside, the biggest downside to the K-5 seems to be the combination of larger (14 bit) RAW files and hence much lower burst depth before the buffer fills (22 full-resolution best-quality JPGs compared to the K-7's 40 - and for

Re: K-7 K-5 samples at iso 100

2010-11-11 Thread David J Brooks
On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 8:46 AM, Bob Sullivan rf.sulli...@gmail.com wrote: Boris, I shot RAW DNG's in both cameras. Regards,  Bob S. Just to confer, older versions of PS and LR will open the DNG files, correct. Dave On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 12:21 AM, Boris Liberman bori...@gmail.com wrote:

Re: K-7 K-5 samples at iso 100

2010-11-11 Thread Bob Sullivan
Dave, Yes, I shot RAW DGN's with the K10 and K20, and opened then in LR2.~ Regards, Bob S. On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 10:35 AM, David J Brooks pentko...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 8:46 AM, Bob Sullivan rf.sulli...@gmail.com wrote: Boris, I shot RAW DNG's in both cameras. Regards,  

Re: K-7 K-5 samples at iso 100

2010-11-11 Thread David J Brooks
On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 11:44 AM, Bob Sullivan rf.sulli...@gmail.com wrote: Dave, Yes, I shot RAW DGN's with the K10 and K20, and opened then in LR2.~ Regards,  Bob S. Ok. I cannot justify a newer computer AND camera. Wait, a DSLR IS a computer. Hey now i can get two.:-) Dave On Thu,

Re: K-7 K-5 samples at iso 100

2010-11-11 Thread Bob Sullivan
Darren, Both cameras shot and processed into LR3.2, then exported as jpg's of max 1,500 pixels. Both shots open with color temps of 4700 with tints of +15 (K-7) and -3 (K-5). I was there and I can't say which colors were more accurate. Paul, Yes, I have to calibrate my focus for the 31mm. On

Re: K-7 K-5 samples at iso 100

2010-11-11 Thread Bob Sullivan
Dave, Changing computers is a pain in the butt, but you might want to do that first. I suspect a $500US laptop is better than the old desktop. And so much faster. Regards, Bob S. On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 10:46 AM, David J Brooks pentko...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 11:44 AM, Bob

K-7 K-5 samples at iso 100

2010-11-10 Thread Bob Sullivan
Two samples shot outdoors today. iso 100, 31mm f4.0 1/250th uncropped, one slightly crooked (i know) see captions underneath http://picasaweb.google.com/rf.sullivan/K5Samples#5538133005917003170 and http://picasaweb.google.com/rf.sullivan/K5Samples#5538133048011802098 Regards, Bob S. --

Re: K-7 K-5 samples at iso 100

2010-11-10 Thread Boris Liberman
And one more time K5 comes out on top of K7 w.r.t. color fidelity. Bob, did you shoot both cameras in DNG? Or are these camera JPGs? Boris On 11/11/2010 6:02 AM, Bob Sullivan wrote: Two samples shot outdoors today. iso 100, 31mm f4.0 1/250th uncropped, one slightly crooked (i know) see

Re: K-7 K-5 samples at iso 100

2010-11-10 Thread Dario Bonazza
.. and I see much thinner purple fringing in the K-5 picture. This could be another newly-discovered plus. Dario - Original Message - From: Bob Sullivan rf.sulli...@gmail.com To: PDML pdml@pdml.net Sent: Thursday, November 11, 2010 5:02 AM Subject: K-7 K-5 samples at iso 100 Two

Re: K-7 K-5 samples at iso 100

2010-11-10 Thread SV Hovland
...@virgilio.it] Sendt: 11. november 2010 08:11 Til: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Emne: Re: K-7 K-5 samples at iso 100 .. and I see much thinner purple fringing in the K-5 picture. This could be another newly-discovered plus. Dario -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo